View Full Version : Who is the best James Bond?
Cybermat47
09-18-12, 06:52 PM
I know that this is a little unfair, as George Lazenby only got 1 movie, and Timothy Dalton only got two, but anyway...HAPPY 50TH BIRTHDAY, MISTER BOND!:woot::woot::woot::woot:
soopaman2
09-18-12, 06:58 PM
I voted Pierce Brosnan. The Sean Connery, and Moore fans will kill me but consider my age before you do.
He had the swagger and the looks. Moreso than the old 2 favorites. I like me some Sean Connery, but I feel like Pierce with that smarmy smile of his as he conned some hot chick, nailed it.
I expect to be in the minority here.
I will say the worse was Dalton, and anyone who votes for him should be permabanned from this site.:D
(edit: We all know Q was the best character from those movies anyways;))
Cybermat47
09-18-12, 07:03 PM
I will say the worse was Dalton, and anyone who likes him should be permabanned from this site.:D
Bye:wah:
Cybermat47
09-18-12, 07:17 PM
The first actor to play James Bond: Bob Simmons
Dr No - Goldfinger
(He's the guy in the gunbarrel)
Yes, as a stunt man :yep:
mookiemookie
09-18-12, 07:33 PM
The correct order, as I've stated on this forum before, is
1. Connery
2. Moore
3. Lazenby
4. Craig
5. Brosnan
6. Dalton
Anything else is wrong. :O:
Sailor Steve
09-18-12, 07:37 PM
I voted for Connery, with Daniel Craig right there with him. The reason is simple: the early Connery movies and the new Casino Royale are the only ones that actually follow the books fairly closely. That is a major factor for my enjoyment. I thought Timothy Dalton was fine, if only the movies themselves hadn't stunk to high heaven. Pierce Brosnan was nothing like the Bond of the books, and neither was Roger Moore. George Lazenby was bad, but the movie itself followed the book quite well, which is a plus.
The first actor to play James Bond: Bob Simmons
Dr No - Goldfinger
(He's the guy in the gunbarrel)
Actually the first actor to play James Bond was Barry Nelson, in Casino Royale, back in 1953.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYhQqTAGd7k
For early American television they had to turn him into an American, but still...
Cybermat47
09-18-12, 07:41 PM
Hey guys, they just released a trailer for the Goldfinger level of the upcoming 007 Legends video game!
soopaman2
09-18-12, 07:51 PM
Bye:wah:
The movie was ok, but Wayne Newtons character impressed me more than the protagonist.
"Bless your heart" after having a gun pulled on him, and being robbed was priceless.
Cybermat47
09-18-12, 08:01 PM
The movie was ok, but Wayne Newtons character impressed me more than the protagonist.
"Bless your heart" after having a gun pulled on him, and being robbed was priceless.
Yeah, its like he knows he shouldnt be coming-on to a young woman, or stealing millions of dollars, but he cant control himslf!
The first proper British James Bond was Bob Holness of 'Blockbusters' fame, but that was on the radio.
But, there is only one James Bond, and that's Sean Connery.
However, I do like Dalton, so :O::O::O:
I believe we had a thread like this a couple of months ago, let me go find it...here we are:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=196576
Actors:
1) Connery
2) Dalton
3) Brosnan
Films:
1) You only live twice
2) Goldfinger
3) The Living Daylights
4) Goldeneye
And, of course, the beautiful soundtrack of John Barry. :up:
Tribesman
09-19-12, 01:37 AM
David Niven.
Cybermat47
09-19-12, 02:14 AM
David Niven.
:har: I want to see that! :har:
Skybird
09-19-12, 02:30 AM
Craig by quite a lead, with Brosnan in second and Connery in third.
Really bad was none of them all.
BossMark
09-19-12, 03:25 AM
The best James Bond by a country mile is Sean Connery
I voted for oor Sean :rock:
David Niven in Casino Royale was ...erm.. different :D
Cheers
Gary
Jimbuna
09-19-12, 04:38 AM
Sean Connery by a long way.
Herr-Berbunch
09-19-12, 04:43 AM
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=196576
Why not just go through the previous list from only a couple of months ago? Then you can see not only peoples favourite Bond, but second, third, etc.. :O:
Jimbuna
09-19-12, 06:10 AM
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=196576
Why not just go through the previous list from only a couple of months ago? Then you can see not only peoples favourite Bond, but second, third, etc.. :O:
I thought there had been a recent thread but couldn't be bothered to check :hmm2:
Sailor Steve
09-19-12, 02:03 PM
David Niven in Casino Royale was ...erm.. different :D
What are you talking about? Don't you mean Peter Sellers...no, wait, that was Woody Allen...er, um, I mean Ursula Andress...no, it was...oh, never mind. :dead:
Sailor Steve
09-19-12, 02:05 PM
David Niven.
Sorry I started with the last page so I saw his reply before your post. Good call. :D
Platapus
09-19-12, 04:28 PM
Daniel Craig is the actor that portrays the character of JB most accurately from the books. JB was a bit of a thug.
However the scripts that Craig is in makes it hard to vote for him.
It would be nice if someone made some JB movies that followed the books (the original books)
Daughter of 84
09-19-12, 05:10 PM
Had no idea that most of the movies did not mesh with the books. Still, voted for Roger M.
the_tyrant
09-19-12, 05:33 PM
Craig is not a good james bond.
Yes, he is a good action hero, but he is NOT james bond. He can be a good Jason bourn, but james bond.
He simply doesn't ooze "class" that Sean Connery does. Nor does he have the classic James Bond humor. I enjoy laughing at the double entenders that simply flew over my little brother's head.
Mind you, they got many people from the colonies (Australia) to play bond, so I'm waiting for an indian james bond, or a james bond of Hong Kong.
Cybermat47
09-19-12, 05:55 PM
Nobody's voted for my second-favourite Bond, Timothy Dalton?!
Grrrr... :nope:
Red October1984
09-19-12, 06:20 PM
Either I didnt click post earlier or my post got deleted. But
WHO VOTED FOR LAZENBY?
I dont like Moore, Dalton or Lazenby.
1. Connery
2. Craig
3. Brosnan
Some of you should be ashamed by your choices. :Kaleun_Sick:
Cybermat47
09-19-12, 07:11 PM
I dont like Moore, Dalton or Lazenby.
Some of you should be ashamed by your choices. :Kaleun_Sick:
Thank God for you that:
1) I'm not a stalker
2) I'm on anti-homicide pills
:haha: I didn't think Lazenby was that bad, certainly not bad enough to get all the stick he gets. His script was bad though, and that's what didn't help.
Moore I found a bit too cheesy, but again that was the generation the films were being produced in. Brosnan was good, very good in fact, I believe I rated him at number three, and I haven't seen any Craig from start to finish so I can't really judge him.
EDIT: Oh, and I think I should leave this here, brought to my attention by Hunter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsV509xnOVM
The best James Bond by a country mile is Sean Connery
QFT
Cybermat47
09-19-12, 07:50 PM
Had no idea that most of the movies did not mesh with the books.
I just finished reading You only live twice, and here are the things it has in common with the film:
Set in the same country
Same main characters
That's all!:D
Sailor Steve
09-19-12, 09:02 PM
Nor does he have the classic James Bond humor.
Nor did James Bond.
I enjoy laughing at the double entenders that simply flew over my little brother's head.
And that's what ruins most of the movies for me. The books are nothing like that. Craig's 'thugishness' is more like the bond of the books than all those sophomorish jokes.
RickC Sniper
09-19-12, 09:15 PM
I like Craig and Connery as the Bond character, but Brosnan's movies were more fun to watch.
Platapus
09-19-12, 09:27 PM
And that's what ruins most of the movies for me. The books are nothing like that. Craig's 'thugishness' is more like the bond of the books than all those sophomorish jokes.
Exactly. :yeah:
In the books, JB was not this suave wise-cracking superhero.
He was a hired thug. It is not surprising that in the early books the baddies ended up dead. Only when Flemming decided to introduce Blofeld, did the books have a repeating baddie. He was a spy only in the context of using illegal means to an end. In Moonraker, Bond laments being assigned to a normal intelligence duty self-confessing that he really has no aptitude for that sort of work. This was confirmed rather humorously by Gala Brand, a character in the same book. BTW, Moonraker is one of the instances where Bond did NOT get the girl in the end. :D
There is a telling passage in "Goldfinger" where Bond, in an internal monologue, laments that he does not prefer really beautiful woman as they tend to be harder to get. He prefers women with flaws because they were easier.
It is only in the movies that the "Bond Women" were these striking beauties. Well there were some exceptions but they tended to be enemy agents. :D Most of the "Bond women" in the books were attractive but not stunning and they usually had either a physical, mental, or emotional "flaw".
Even Bond's snobbishness concerning "labels" was explained in the first book as being a result of Bond being a man who spends most of his time alone (but not lonely). He has time to take great pains on what he buys and by caring about the brand label helps with being alone.
I much prefer the Bond books to the movies. About every six months I get the yen and break out the series and re-read them. They are awesome reads. But if you have only seen the movies, you will be in for a surprise.
Bond was an anti-hero. He made mistakes. He does things in a rather crude and awkward manner. If you have any knowledge of Intelligence or Investigations, you will spend most of the books facepalming at the mistakes Bond makes.
Subtle he was not.
But they are fun books. I really stopped watching the movies during the Dalton Bronslin period. I watched them when they came on TV, but was not impressed with them.
Too much gadgetry. One of the nice things about the books is that Bond used very little gadgetry and the gadgets he did use were pretty basic stuff.
So that's why I feel that Craig's persona more accurately portrays the Bond from the books. Craig looks a bit thuggish. You can dress Craig up in a tux, but he still looks like he could rip your head off. This "dressed up animal" aspect is what Bond was in the books.
That being said, I find the Craig movies are crap. I actually paid money to watch Quantum in a theater. :/\\!!:/\\!!:/\\!!:/\\!! Never again.
So there is a big difference between
1. What actor portrays the character Bond best
2. Which actor played Bond in your favorite Bond movie.
I might just bust out my Bond books. Its been about six months. :D:D:D
the_tyrant
09-19-12, 09:38 PM
Exactly. :yeah:
In the books, JB was not this suave wise-cracking superhero.
I have to admit that I have only read one of the books. But what I have found after watching all the James Bond movies, is that James Bond is Batman.
You see, both James Bond and Batman are 1%er heroes,
Neither of them have superpowers (James Bond, like Batman relies on his technology)
Both of them are (were?) detectives
But most importantly, James Bond IS NOT GOOD at martial arts. I have enjoyed the fact that Connery's and Moor's Bond was not really good at Kung Fu. He usually gets hit in the back of the head, and passes out.
I actually like that plot device.
Now there is a theory, that James bond is not one guy, but a successive line of agents, and that James Bond and 007 are merely code names.
Like M and Q, when one 007 dies or quits, the next one comes up to replace him.
I like this theory, as it perfectly explains the difference in personality and appearance caused by changing the actors.
Platapus
09-19-12, 09:39 PM
Here is a bit of almost interesting James Bond trivia:
Ian Flemming was not happy with his book "The spy who loved me". It was not well received and frankly is not one of the better books in the series.
When Flemming sold the movie rights, it was under the stipulation that no part of the book would appear in the movie. That is one of the reasons why the book and the movie have almost nothing in common other than character names.... that was the agreement by Flemming. :D
Platapus
09-19-12, 09:45 PM
James Bond and 007 are merely code names.
So now the tricky question: How many people held the 00 prefix?
And what were their numbers? :D
Cybermat47
09-19-12, 09:50 PM
Now there is a theory, that James bond is not one guy, but a successive line of agents, and that James Bond and 007 are merely code names.
Like M and Q, when one 007 dies or quits, the next one comes up to replace him.
I like this theory, as it perfectly explains the difference in personality and appearance caused by changing the actors.
No, he's a Time-Lord, like the Doctor. :D
Jimbuna
09-20-12, 05:08 AM
Looking at the poll it would appear that Connery has more votes than the rest added together so it would appear he is looking like the peoples choice.
I must concur with some here...the books are far better than the movies but the viewing figures will no doubt point to the fact that whichever you prefer, book or film, the films are extremely popular.
Herr-Berbunch
09-20-12, 05:21 AM
. . . the books are far better than the movies . . .
So are 99.9% of books. I understand it's hard to cram complex dialogue and backgrounds into 2 hours (or less!), but you'd think they'd try harder.
There are some though - http://www.shortlist.com/shortlists/10-movies-that-are-better-than-the-book
Jimbuna
09-20-12, 06:03 AM
Good to see Empire Of The Sun there...I wasn't overly impressed with the book.
Voted for Connery, but in my minds eye Craig runs a very close second.
I too prefer the books over the movies. It seems that a movie can't be made without exagerating the book. The last Bond book I bought a couple of weeks ago, "Carte Blanche" by Jeffery Deaver, gets back on track to Bond at a younger age. Even the Admiral "M" is in it, tho there's a different armourer named "Q". Maybe it the "Q" we all liked but at a younger age too.
Sailor Steve
09-20-12, 12:30 PM
Platapus, thanks for the insight. Our opinions are very close on this matter. Unlike you, I did enjoy Casino Royale. They changed a lot, but the basics were there. My preference would be for movies based in the actual time period, the Cold War of the 1950s.
Now there is a theory, that James bond is not one guy, but a successive line of agents, and that James Bond and 007 are merely code names.
Like M and Q, when one 007 dies or quits, the next one comes up to replace him.
I like this theory, as it perfectly explains the difference in personality and appearance caused by changing the actors.
Then you should see the aforementioned Casino Royal from the 1967, with David Niven, Peter Sellers, Ursula Andress, Daliah Lavi, Woody Allen and Terrence Cooper, all as James Bond.
It would be nice if someone made some JB movies that followed the books (the original books)
And for that reason...No Vote.
Miggy4000
09-20-12, 12:47 PM
Here is a bit of almost interesting James Bond trivia:
Ian Flemming was not happy with his book "The spy who loved me". It was not well received and frankly is not one of the better books in the series.
When Flemming sold the movie rights, it was under the stipulation that no part of the book would appear in the movie. That is one of the reasons why the book and the movie have almost nothing in common other than character names.... that was the agreement by Flemming. :D
Interesting Platapus, I never knew that, but I loved that movie (I mean a Lotus that converts into a mini sub! :rotfl2:) and it had the best theme tune of all the Bond movies ever in my view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TZXw45V9CE
Cybermat47
09-20-12, 04:04 PM
Ahh, good to see that Dalton has some support!
Herr-Berbunch
09-20-12, 04:09 PM
You should all go to the James Bond Museum in Keswick, a fantastic afternoons worth of JB stuff including most of the cars - Lotus rescued from the scrapyard.
I've got some pics somewhere. . . :hmmm:
Who is the best James Bond ?
Naturally, Sean Connery.
Who is the best James Bond film ?
Maybe "Never Say Never Again".
Cheers.
Cybermat47
09-20-12, 04:45 PM
Who is the best James Bond film ?
Maybe "Never Say Never Again".
Cheers.
It has no gunbarrel sequence. Therefore, your point is invalid.
Herr-Berbunch
09-20-12, 04:51 PM
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I've just tried the website, but it appears the museum shut down last year and moved to Miami along with the sister musuem Stars of the Cars. :/\\!!
So only Beatrix Potter and the Pencil Musuem left in the Lakes!!!
Edit: Some vehicles may be at Beaulieu, National Motor Musuem, until some time next year.
Jimbuna
09-20-12, 05:36 PM
Pencils are nowhere near as interesting.
hebele23
09-20-12, 05:49 PM
Pierce Brosnan of course.
Jimbuna
09-20-12, 05:56 PM
Pierce Brosnan of course.
Of course...or otherwise.
Red October1984
09-20-12, 09:38 PM
Who is the best James Bond film ?
Maybe "Never Say Never Again".
Good god that movie was terrible. Are you blind and/or deaf?
I said in my James Bond thread that Never Say Never Again was hanging out with Moonraker as the two worst bond films, IMHO.
One does not simply remake Thunderball and get away with it.
Cybermat47
09-21-12, 01:54 AM
Good god that movie was terrible. Are you blind and/or deaf?
I said in my James Bond thread that Never Say Never Again was hanging out with Moonraker as the two worst bond films, IMHO.
One does not simply remake Thunderball and get away with it.
One simply does not make Thunderball itself and get away with it. :har:
the_tyrant
09-21-12, 06:15 AM
Good god that movie was terrible. Are you blind and/or deaf?
I said in my James Bond thread that Never Say Never Again was hanging out with Moonraker as the two worst bond films, IMHO.
One does not simply remake Thunderball and get away with it.
That movie was GREAT!
Ok, so James Bond does not really have its own "style".
I mean, Bond movies have been everything from blackploitation to science fiction.
Now if we say that Quantum of Solace is James Bond's "reaction" to Jason Bourne, and Moonraker is a Star Wars influenced film, than Never Say Never Again is James Bond's version of Mr. Bean, or the Pink Panther.
And you know what? James Bond doing comedy is better than James Bond in space, by far.
Red October1984
09-21-12, 07:29 AM
One simply does not make Thunderball itself and get away with it. :har:
:nope: There's no way you just said that right? That one is my favorite one of all time. :stare:
Sailor Steve
09-21-12, 04:34 PM
It has no gunbarrel sequence. Therefore, your point is invalid.
Ah, but it was the only one ever to have the battlship-grey Bentley, so it's the only one that is valid. :O:
Cybermat47
09-21-12, 06:22 PM
:nope: There's no way you just said that right? That one is my favorite one of all time. :stare:
Well, it's good but... how many underwater fight scenes do you need?
I must admit, however, if you cut the underwater fight scenes down, it would be rather good.
Good god that movie was terrible. Are you blind and/or deaf?
I said in my James Bond thread that Never Say Never Again was hanging out with Moonraker as the two worst bond films, IMHO.
Maybe both !
As blind, impossible to see your James Bond thread, maybe the most interesting one on SUBSIM.
As deaf, impossible to hear the praises for your remarkable comments about James Bond films.
Red October1984
09-22-12, 07:27 PM
Maybe both !
As blind, impossible to see your James Bond thread, maybe the most interesting one on SUBSIM.
As deaf, impossible to hear the praises for your remarkable comments about James Bond films.
Deaf?-You can't hear the internet. :hmmm:
Either way, that movie is still bad. :nope:
Sailor Steve
09-22-12, 08:52 PM
You can't hear the internet.
You can't? Well then, what's that I...
Just a second.
Voices in my head?
Never mind. :shifty: :oops:
Kaye T. Bai
09-22-12, 11:03 PM
I'm split between Daniel Brosnan and Pierce Craig.
Cybermat47
09-24-12, 10:48 PM
Well, now that I've seen every actor who played James Bond, I've come up with the following list, with 1 as the highest and 6 as the lowest:
1.Sean Connery. 1.George Lazenby. 1.Roger Moore. 1.Timothy Dalton. 1.Pierce Brosnan. 1.Daniel Craig.
LOL
Miggy4000
10-02-12, 12:42 PM
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6581/dscf1002v.jpg
I've just tried the website, but it appears the museum shut down last year and moved to Miami along with the sister musuem Stars of the Cars. :/\\!!
:o WOW! I am shocked at the state of the Lotus Sub. I hope someone someday restores it to it's former glory. Anyone know a super talented, James Bond obsessed Marine Engineer with money and time to burn? :06:
Thanks for posting those pictures Herr-Berbunch :up:
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