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Two female police officers have died during a "routine" call-out which led to the arrest of a man wanted by Greater Manchester Police.Police said both unarmed officers suffered fatal injuries during the incident in Hattersley, Tameside.
A witness at the scene in Abbey Gardens reported hearing 13 gunshots and an explosion.
Dale Cregan, 29, has been arrested in connection with the officers' deaths and two previous murders.
He was arrested when he walked into Hyde police station a short time after the incident.Police said one of the officers died at the scene and the second was critically injured and died afterwards.
The scene has been cordoned off and there is a heavy police presence in the area, including a bomb disposal team.
A police helicopter is also on patrol overhead.
No good news, an assault on the rule of law :nope: May them rest in peace!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19635239
Note: 18 September 2012 Last updated at 14:24 GMT
BossMark
09-18-12, 09:53 AM
Think its time the death penalty was brought back.
R.I.P the two policewomen
Jimbuna
09-18-12, 10:56 AM
Think its time the death penalty was brought back.
R.I.P the two policewomen
The only positive in all this madness is that he'll never see freedom again.
So sad it cost four lives to achieve this.
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Armistead
09-18-12, 11:03 AM
Maybe "unarmed officers" is a problem.
Jimbuna
09-18-12, 11:17 AM
Maybe "unarmed officers" is a problem.
Afraid that isn't the case when you consider between 10 and 15 per cent are already armed.
It's the ease with which these idiots can obtain firearms that's at the root of the problem...not forgetting he also had access to grenades in this instance.
Sad, sad news, my condolences to their families.
It does beg the question...
Why where they sent to investigate the sound of gunshots in the first place?
Especially when there was a know maniac on the loose.
Rest in Peace.
Cheers
Gary
Madox58
09-18-12, 11:35 AM
It's thier job to investigate.
Not one I myself would want and I have high regards for those that do that job!
Jimbuna can tell you why they do it.
My deepest respects to the fallen and thier families.
It's thier job to investigate.
Not one I myself would want and I have high regards for those that do that job!
Jimbuna can tell you why they do it.
My deepest respects to the fallen and thier families.
No offence was meant, I am am a former Police Officer myself and I know what the job entails. My concern is that they have been looking for a mad gunman for a while now, so a report of gunfire being heard should have raised a few eyebrows.
Cheers
Gary
Madox58
09-18-12, 12:14 PM
I don't know about that area?
But Gun fire doesn't raise high alarms in most places I travel to.
:nope:
I've been places where it don't get the Coppers there at all unless someone calls it in.
Which is rare in many of those places.
:o
Jimbuna
09-18-12, 12:28 PM
Sad, sad news, my condolences to their families.
It does beg the question...
Why where they sent to investigate the sound of gunshots in the first place?
Especially when there was a know maniac on the loose.
Rest in Peace.
Cheers
Gary
I believe the call they answered was a suspected burglary and they were mown down on arrival at the scene (a house that had been unoccupied for some months):
Sir Peter said someone had made a call alleging a burglary had been committed and when the officers arrived they were attacked with a gun and a grenade.
Early days yet, all will be revealed when the investigation is concluded.
Indeed so, a tragic incident and it shows the dangers of life on the force.
Curious that the man behind it would then walk into a police station and hand himself in but it's impossible to begin to even attempt to fathom minds such as his.
Jimbuna
09-18-12, 01:47 PM
Indeed so, a tragic incident and it shows the dangers of life on the force.
Curious that the man behind it would then walk into a police station and hand himself in but it's impossible to begin to even attempt to fathom minds such as his.
My take on it is this...a guy on the most wanted list, suspected of murdering four people two of which are serving officers, known to be armed with at least one firearm and possibly grenades.
Safest place for him is in a cell and not leaving it to chance that an armed response unit didn't find him first and have a potential claim he was taken out because he presented a clear and present danger to said unit and or the public.
Jimbuna
09-19-12, 05:46 AM
A minutes silence was observed by Manchester Police at 11am this morning.
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Jimbuna
09-19-12, 05:55 AM
So sad...:cry:
Even more so when you consider they aren't the first and they won't be the last.
The deaths of two female police constables have brought into focus the unarmed status of most British police. Why does Britain hold firm against issuing guns to officers on the beat?
It's the single most obvious feature that sets the British bobby apart from their counterparts overseas.
Tourists and visitors regularly express surprise at the absence of firearms from the waists of officers patrolling the streets.
But to most inhabitants of the UK - with the notable exception of Northern Ireland - it is a normal, unremarkable state of affairs that most front-line officers do not carry guns.
Unremarkable, that is, until unarmed officers like Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone are killed in the line of duty. There are always those who question why Britain is out of step with most of the rest of the world, with the exceptions of the Republic of Ireland, New Zealand, Norway and a handful of other nations.
For a heavily urbanised country of its population size, the situation in Great Britain is arguably unique.
Film director Michael Winner, founder of the Police Memorial Trust, and Toy Rayner, the former chairman of Essex Police Federation, have both called for officers to be routinely armed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398
Note: 19 September 2012 Last updated at 08:03 GMT
Sorry to hear what happened. How do you guys from the UK feel about the call coming out now about arming the police force?
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/19/13963585-uk-police-resist-calls-to-give-cops-guns-despite-double-murder
Jimbuna
09-19-12, 01:41 PM
It happens every time an officer is killed but the Police simply don't want to be armed...between 10 and 15 per cent are always armed anyway and 'armed response units' as they are called are always on hand in each force area to act at a moments notice should a serious incident involving weapons come about.
Jimbuna
09-19-12, 01:51 PM
Thanks Jim:)
My pleasure...the problem as I see it isn't arming the Police but making it harder for these scumbags to get a hold of the weapons in the first place.
kraznyi_oktjabr
09-19-12, 02:15 PM
My pleasure...the problem as I see it isn't arming the Police but making it harder for these scumbags to get a hold of the weapons in the first place.If scumbag wants gun he gets gun - unless you lock him/her up first. As UK is not dictatorship I don't see how you could reliably do that. Also when scumbag points gun to officer he/she is unlikely to wait armed response unit (ARU?) to arrive before pulling trigger.
I find concept of unarmed police officer extremely difficult to understand. Could you explain that a little bit? Why most bobbies(?) are usually unarmed?
Herr-Berbunch
09-19-12, 02:22 PM
I think it's a case of raising the stakes, if the police are all armed then the crooks will feel the need to be at least on a par with them.
As it currently is you could probably outrun them (not me, fat knacker). :03:
My pleasure...the problem as I see it isn't arming the Police but making it harder for these scumbags to get a hold of the weapons in the first place.
Bingo, there's units like SO19 and the like to deal with potential firearms incidents, but if you start putting guns into the hands of the average Bobby, and then skimp on the training (which we would because of budget cuts) then you run the risk of having things like the shoot-out at the Empire State building happen.
The bigger problem, IMHO, if I'm honest, is knife crime. That's where the real figures lie and it's much harder to deal with than gun crime.
Jimbuna
09-19-12, 03:48 PM
Bingo, there's units like SO19 and the like to deal with potential firearms incidents, but if you start putting guns into the hands of the average Bobby, and then skimp on the training (which we would because of budget cuts) then you run the risk of having things like the shoot-out at the Empire State building happen.
The bigger problem, IMHO, if I'm honest, is knife crime. That's where the real figures lie and it's much harder to deal with than gun crime.
Your not a million miles off the mark there...as a firearms trained officer I never drew a bead on anyone but as far as knife defence went I thought I was even more proficient but have two scars to contest my belief :doh:
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