Now all those lies and promises comes

[mapuc]

Where there's democracy and election time, the politicians and presidents promise this and this

I follow a program on the danish news channel -tv2news, called the next president in USA

I see alle these talks from Obama and Mitt.

I do hope that the American can see through thise promises of lies.

and vote for the right person of his believes.

Markus

[Madox58]

I'll vote for revolution myself.
All the fatcats are liars and thiefs who need hung from the nearest tree.
After a good several hours of beatings of course.

[Ducimus]

I do hope that the American can see through thise promises of lies.

and vote for the right person of his believes.

Markus

I think many won't see through the lies and deceit, because their blinded by partisan rhetoric, slaves to party ideology, and they'll vote as such.

Personally, I abstain.

I'll vote for revolution myself.


Same here. Both parties need to go.

[Armistead]

I'll vote for revolution myself.
All the fatcats are liars and thiefs who need hung from the nearest tree.
After a good several hours of beatings of course.

Only several hours?

Yea, the real crooks are in political office, not our jails.

[eddie]

Only several hours?

Yea, the real crooks are in political office, not our jails.
:agree:

[soopaman2]

I got sad news for you, America is screwed either way.

We got a guy who wants to take everything and give it to his pals who contributed to his campaign.

As opposed to another fella who want to take everything from us and give it to his contributers.

The opposing side will fight it in congress, and nothing will get done.

At least until our Military industrial complex decides Iraq, and Afghanistan is not as profitable to the shareholders, and tell our government to invade Iran.

Either way, we foot the bill and negative consequences, through lives lost, and decreasing national prosperity.

I am starting to think all our ME wars, is to increase gas prices, so our energy companies can make even more money despite the subsidies, and lack of taxes they pay. (nudges General Electric, Exxon, BP)

Especially GE*spits*

America is so pro-corporate fascist Mussolini would blush.

The people are not even an afterthought, in fact they are not a thought.

"Corporations are people, my friend"

Willard Romney.

The ONLY people who matter..

[gimpy117]

America is so pro-corporate fascist Mussolini would blush.



Agree.

[Catfish]

"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right."
-H. L. Mencken

[mookiemookie]

Did you guys hear? We're redesigning our flag to better reflect the current reality:


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FKu05sgs17k/TxQskw_ghXI/AAAAAAAABu0/pM6h78_9BOc/s1600/corporate_flag.jpg

[Blood_splat]

http://i.imgur.com/k0pv0.jpg

[Madox58]

You forgot ConAgra.
:shifty:

[eddie]

Did you guys hear? We're redesigning our flag to better reflect the current reality:

Closer to the truth then most peole think,lol

[STEED]

I'll vote for revolution myself.
All the fatcats are liars and thiefs who need hung from the nearest tree.
After a good several hours of beatings of course.

Time for a clean sweep though out the world. :03:

[BossMark]

Time for a clean sweep though out the world. :03:
Am off work for four days next week, suppose we could make a start then :haha::yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Did you guys hear? We're redesigning our flag to better reflect the current reality:


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FKu05sgs17k/TxQskw_ghXI/AAAAAAAABu0/pM6h78_9BOc/s1600/corporate_flag.jpg



This the new flag. It got more play than Bill Clinton at the DNC.

http://andersonkayla.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/nfl-logo.jpg

[Stealhead]

This the new flag. It got more play than Bill Clinton at the DNC.

http://andersonkayla.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/nfl-logo.jpg

QFT.

Americans(generally speaking) are more concerned about what is on TV or if Netflix will raise its subscription rates or what the new ipad and iphone will feature
than what is actually going on or what the various presidential candidates and their supporters have to say or what they plan to do.If the NFL season
had started during the RNC the story would have been the same.The sad thing is many of these same people will go out and vote usually having no idea what or whom
they are really voting for.

[Kloef]

Well on a more minimal scale, we are just past our elections. The people have chosen and once again it's 50% on the right, 50% left in majority..

Since we had a government like that some 14 years ago for 8 years we are back at the 'compromising game' ie. no decisions of massive importance like what the hell are we going to do about our F-16's falling apart from old age and overextended use in the service of Nato so the Belgians can keeps theirs in top shape (just teasing), why do we keep sponsoring the whole darn EU with our taxmoney and end up with nothing and why are there camera's, security and roadwatchers on every corner on this piece of land we still are allowed to call the Netherlands, mind you in five years i will be arrested for saying i live there cause there will be no more Netherlands as far as the European Parlement is concerned..

Not that i'm complaining, you guys are much worse off...good luck:yeah:

[Platapus]

When ever a president or presidential candidate (or any elected official for that matter) makes a statement about what they want to do, the first thing a citizen needs to find out is whether the official has the authority to do it.

When it comes to the POTUS, there are actually few things he can do unilaterally. And this is not an oversight but part of our system of checks and balances. Other than such things as military actions under the War Powers Act, the only unilateral authority the POTUS has is in how he chooses to spend the money already allotted to him by congress. And even in this there are limitations.

Pretty much everything else has to go through, in some form, congress. And this is exactly how the founding dudes intended it.

So if a POTUS or candidate says "during my next term, do (insert campaign promise)"; what he is actually saying is that during my next term I will ASK congress to do (insert campaign promise).

So when a candidate says "I will do xxx" what they really mean is "I would like to do xxx". There is a significant difference.

Now, if the POTUS asks congress for something and they say no, did the POTUS lie? No, the POTUS would only have lied if he never asked congress.

Remember, the POTUS can only ask congress, he or she can't tell congress anything.

It is our national past time to say that all politicians lie -- it is what we do here in America. But just because a politician does not do what they say they want to do, does not always mean they are lying. Politicians operate within a huge bureaucracy. And it is a bureaucracy specifically designed to limit a politician from making sudden or drastic changes.

There is always a difference between what a politician wants to do and what the regulations allow the politician to do.

So when listening to the lying POS politicians from both sides in the next two months, remember when one of them says "I will do this", they probably won't have the authority to do it. It is important to find out who does have the authority (usually congress), and determine the likelihood of them approving the request from the POTUS.

I think the average citizen would be surprised at how little unilateral authority the POTUS actually has.

[mapuc]

^ Thank you platapus, your posting made me remember my old post
"he's a muslim, he's not a muslim"

I'm not an politician and I'm not made as such-cause I would never promise things to my voters, that I can't give them

I would rather loose the election fairly, than win by decieve

USA is, as many other countries, in economical problems and if the coming president told the voters that he will raise taxes, lower benefits and many other things- no one would vote on that candidate

Maybe a few

Markus

[soopaman2]

Did you guys hear? We're redesigning our flag to better reflect the current reality:


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FKu05sgs17k/TxQskw_ghXI/AAAAAAAABu0/pM6h78_9BOc/s1600/corporate_flag.jpg

This reminds me of a dystopian movie with Jude Law and Forest Whittaker called Repo Men.

You were given mechanical organs, by force in some cases, and forced to pay off exhorbant fees. Or else Jude Law came after you. Ripped out your organ, and had to scan the bar code back at HQ.

Was all good, until he was given this companies organs...

The movie showed a city landscape that was overwhelmed with laser holograms of corporate sponsors being projected atop massive skyscrapers.

Reminds of of Paul Ryans Voucher plan, if allowed to evolve and get worse over 100 years, just saying.

[soopaman2]

Well on a more minimal scale, we are just past our elections. The people have chosen and once again it's 50% on the right, 50% left in majority..

Since we had a government like that some 14 years ago for 8 years we are back at the 'compromising game' ie. no decisions of massive importance like what the hell are we going to do about our F-16's falling apart from old age and overextended use in the service of Nato so the Belgians can keeps theirs in top shape (just teasing), why do we keep sponsoring the whole darn EU with our taxmoney and end up with nothing and why are there camera's, security and roadwatchers on every corner on this piece of land we still are allowed to call the Netherlands, mind you in five years i will be arrested for saying i live there cause there will be no more Netherlands as far as the European Parlement is concerned..

Not that i'm complaining, you guys are much worse off...good luck:yeah:


From what I read of, you guys are a completely decentralized government. Even accused of having no government in some resources.

But it is easy for you, lets compare population, land mass, and cultural differences. America is made up of everyone, from all over the world. I am an Italian , my cousin is Irish, my wife is German, and her nieces are half Latino.

We are a much harder area to govern, as national identity does not come to us as easy. We are alot more ethnically diverse, and IMHO do very well with it, considering there are much more intolerant places.

We as Americans concentrate so much on our differences, that we do not realize we are so alike.

No Balkan incidents here, considering we are much more diverse as a population than them. We do not partake in pogroms. (as in widescale extermination of ethnicities) [I critisize a government, not a people, no malice intended to Balkan citizens]

It convinces me our bill of rights works. Our rule of law works, getting the powers that be to follow it, is another issue...

In summation. America may be flawed, but I would take it over anywhere else.

When push comes to shove, the people will triumph, we have a right to abolish our government as well. Whos got it better than us?

Noooobody

[Madox58]

we have a right to abolish our government

I'd bet trying to do so will lead to another Civil War.
Those in power WOULD NOT allow this simple right to come to pass.
I may not be around to see it? But there will be a VERY BIG load of bodily evacuations hitting the rotating air movement devices should it be attempted!
:haha:

[mapuc]

I'd bet trying to do so will lead to another Civil War.
Those in power WOULD NOT allow this simple right to come to pass.
I may not be around to see it? But there will be a VERY BIG load of bodily evacuations hitting the rotating air movement devices should it be attempted!
:haha:

There's also an another way to do it-stay home on election day

Last year before the danish election-a group on facebook was made to convience people to stay home. They had only a few hundred members

I wrote to the danish parlament and ask them what would happen if every voters stayed home and did not vote

It will to say it easy be a huge crisis

The government have only been given the right to lead the country in 5 years then this "rights" have expired.

Markus

[Madox58]

A Government in power will not readily give up that power.
No matter what the Law says.

Look at the crap that happened in the Middle East toilet bowl area!
If you honestly think the U.S. Government would allow us to abolish them?
I have a Gold Mine for sale in my back yard.
I'll take $5000.00 U.S. dollars for it.
It's worth several million.
:haha:

[Sailor Steve]

"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right."
-H. L. Mencken
How strange. I feel I've seen that somewhere before.