ABC's the Last Resort: Really brings the crazy

[Onkel Neal]

After viewing the Yahoo edition of the new show, all I can say is wow, there's a whole lotta crazy here.



In the span of 44 minutes

Boomer sub ordered to fire nukes
Boomer captain questions orders
Deputy Secretary relieves Boomer Captain of command
XO and now acting captain questions order
Navy SEALS barge into the conn to pistol whip the crew
Other US sub fires Tomahawk on Boomer
US nukes Pakistan
Lots of people get yanked off the phone by ominous Fed-types
Boomer captain commandeers island and NATO station
Boomer captain fires nukes at DC (and the XO goes along with that)
The really nutty part: at the end, the Captain suggests the rebuild their dream society on the island.

I like action movies, I like sub action movies, but Crimson Tide has been done and Last Resort does not do it better. There are so many actions taken that simply beggar belief--how fast can a nuclear sub commander go rogue? If he had been planning to go rogue for years, well, maybe the moves that Captain Marcus Chaplan makes would stand up to scrutiny. But otherwise, it's really a stretch to think an American captain would nuke DC. Don't they know about the Smithsonian?

There are sub-plots, like the super-hot female officer struggling to earn respect in a man's world; the GQ Seal who goes all Lord of the Flies as soon as his boots are dry; and the unspoken bond between the Captain and his XO that defines loyalty. But the sum of its parts is still Network TV, and not the Breaking Bad/LOST/Mad Men variety. Last Resort stumbles with an eagerness to establish the storyline that would be better served over several episodes. I mean, in the pilot nukes have been fired, islands stormed, government's toppled with intrigue, and people shot--where do they plan to go from here? It's gonna be quite a step down to keeping peace in the town and ensuring a treaty to keep liquor imports coming.

Watch for yourself, (http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/fall-tv/exclusive-watch-abc-fall-drama-last-resort-full-061122041.html;_ylt=AlTWdQNlKuiKNI8zzh66yamAo9EF;_ ylu=X3oDMTNyOW4xODBnBG1pdANIb21lIFBhZ2UgTWVnYXRyb2 4EcGtnA2RlZTk4Zjg0LTNhMTQtM2I5My1hNWM3LWU1OWIzZjJj ZmVjNQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzk2MWQ5ZDcxLW ZiMGYtMTFlMS1iZjc1LWY1MDExNjE0ZmIyMg--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3) comments welcome!

Neal
SUBSIM


Owwww!
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5963




This is Captain Marcu...oh hell, you know who I am--I've said it 23 times already.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5955




Brink hell, we're knee-deep in it!
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5957




Push the damn button already! It's my turn next.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5964



There's still time for a little of this.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5956




At last, at last...
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5962





Bet you don't see that every day on Gilligan's Island.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5961



Hey baby, I've got your thermonuclear right here.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5960





Another "oh crap!" moment coming up.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5954




Pakistan gets it in the balls.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5958



We've thought of everything. Glad the US don't got no stealth bombers, that would suck for us.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5959

[Cybermat47]

What the...

[Daggothus]

{Disappointed groaning}

:down:

[TorpX]

This is why I don't watch much television anymore. :nope:

[RamRod]

Leave it to ABC to finally get women into the sub fleet.:doh:

I suppose with the concept of an unstable Presidency and military top command resigning, it is not inconceivable that a submarine commander would ask for conformation of a back-channel launch command.:har: I sure hope he didn't nuke too many ships off the coast of Washington.

But I suppose it is still a little far fetched. Isn't the ABC nuclear fleet leadership program like a six-week course now? I doubt anyone with training as in-depth as that would succumb to doubt with confirmed launch orders in hand!:salute:

[Oberon]

So, pretty much exactly as we expected it would be then:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=195251

[RamRod]

Also, I thought it was very apropos that you placed the snapshot of the active launch missile tube directly below the snapshot of the girl straddling the guy in bed.
Followed of course by the actual missile launch!
:ping:

[Onkel Neal]

Also, I thought it was very apropos that you placed the snapshot of the active launch missile tube directly below the snapshot of the girl straddling the guy in bed.
Followed of course by the actual missile launch!
:ping:


:rotfl2:

[Ria]

http://i.qkme.me/3pn24k.jpg

[nikimcbee]

http://www.fanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ricardo_montalban_1947_fantasy_island.jpg

Hello, everyone, welcome to the Laaaaast resort.

Oh, that's what the show is about? It's not about the "last ski resort" or the "last golf resort".

So it's a serious show about the US Silent Service and the serious nature of their work?

http://www.jppredicts.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/NoSoFast.jpg

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5956












The show lost me by the opening credits.

1. What would hollywood do w/o CGI?
2. The chick looks like Melissa Gilbert.:haha:

http://i.ebayimg.com/04/!B-UO9fgBWk~$(KGrHqR,!lMEy+jC)IIDBM8WwDkkzg~~_1.jpg

Pa, are we at war?

3. OMG, there's a teminator on board! Everybody run!
4. Looks too PC for me.
5. $5 says there will be time travel by episode 5.
6. By episode 6, Hurley, Jack and Kate will be on the sub. Hurely plugs up the head and the show goes into it's second season.

My prediction: So it's Titanic+Crimson Tide+U-571.

Pa, why is everything written in German Pa?

I'm not Pa, I'm John Locke, and this submarine has special powers.



Oh-ficial RottenMcBee review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tQyG7wS5-M

[nikimcbee]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5959

Dude on the left: "So, what do you think will be lower? Our ratings or the Raiders next final score?"

Dude on the right: "Wait, is this the island that has the killer smoke, cuz I didn't sign up for that."

Dude on left: " So what does your character do again in the show?"

Dude on right: "My character is the guy in the motor-pool."

Dude on left" You've seen Star Trek, right?"

Dude on right: "yeah, why?"

Dude on left:" So the Capt'n, exec, and the dude from the motorpool go on a special mission,which character dies?"

Dude on right:http://my-popart-portrait.com/images/rage_guy_angry_fuu_fuuu_rage_face_meme_poster-r2505f4c7185e472c9b975195048c681d_a21y_328.jpg?bg= 0xFFFFFF

[Penguin]

Thanks for the link to watch the first episode before it premieres, gonna watch it at the weekend. I'll give it a try, but I am also someone who masochistically watched Terra Nova every week to see if there would be any developement. - never happened, lol

*lowers expectation bar to ground level*

[nikimcbee]

So, pretty much exactly as we expected it would be then:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=195251

Denny Green already reviewed it:

(note: has bad language)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc

[Red Heat]

I dont watch tv for a long time or its rare this days...why? because films like this and others looks like a mexican or Brazil novel...and i dont have time to this! :D

[Oberon]

Thanks for the link to watch the first episode before it premieres, gonna watch it at the weekend. I'll give it a try, but I am also someone who masochistically watched Terra Nova every week to see if there would be any developement. - never happened, lol

*lowers expectation bar to ground level*

Hey, at least Terra Nova had Stephen Lang. :up:

[Missing Name]

...no reactor meltdowns? I'm surprised they didn't throw that in for good measure, because apparently it's an everyday occurrence or something like that. If you go by TV and movies alone.

[Kaye T. Bai]

*Reads spoilers.*

What the? FFFUUU-

Anyway, that scene where the X.O. is getting it on with an LT... One question remains: Is it fappable? :O:

[TarJak]

:hmmm: Last Resort or U-571? How bad can it be?

[jtm55]

Unbelievable!

[Bubblehead Nuke]

As a former active duty submariner, I find the whole premise disturbing. I am suprised that the military is not raising hell over the whole show.

It would not be a officer or two who goes rogue. It is the WHOLE DAMN CREW. EVERY crewmwmber would have to be involved. One, two, or even ALL the officers going rogue could not cause this to happen.

I was ex-enlisted and if I even THOUGHT that there was a breakdown in the chain of command I would question EVERY command that was given me involving the SSBM's.

With the appearant breakdown there would be so many enlisted people who could stop the evolution it is not funny.

Even as a nuke I could stop it just by opening a couple of circuit breakers in the engineroom. I could shut down control, MCC, you name it, it would be de-energized and dead electrically. Some of that gear does not like rapid power transients like you could induce by cycling a circuit breaker 10 times rapidly.

If I wanted to, heck, I could melt the plant down with a few switches and open a few valves. It is not as hard as you think if you know the plant. I shocked more than one person when asked how I could do it and it could be done with just 7 switches. They just never realized that switch lineup could bypass so much reactor protection. Granted, it would take some time and active participation to do it but it was EASY to do if you HAD to.

Lets see you launch a nuke now buddy when the plant melts down.

I am ONE crewman. There are 100+ more who could damage, disrupt evolutions, or even SINK the boat.

Damn show is as bad as 'Supercarrier' where the enlisted guys are dismissed as idiots and blind order-takers.

The one thing I did find humourous was the guy sitting in the bar watching the SSBM light off after it broaches the surface and makes the offhand remark "That's not good". At least I had good laugh.

[Kaye T. Bai]

Damn show is as bad as 'Supercarrier' where the enlisted guys are dismissed as idiots and blind order-takers.

On the other hand, "Generation Kill" had the enlisted men as geniuses and the officers are morons (except for that one platoon commander). Only difference was that "Generation Kill" was a good show. Well, if this doesn't fare well, at least there's "The Last Ship" (http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/jonathan-mostow-to-direct-michael-bays-tnt-pilot-the-last-ship/) to look forward to.

[Yamato_NF]

Looks like there will be an episode 2 and onward...
Kinda makes you agree with the crew/captain... Like he said at the end:
"what happened to the nation I grew up in?"

Yamato_NF

[Cybermat47]

Leave it to ABC to finally get women into the sub fleet.


Oh, please. Us Aussies have had them for ages.
That explains why foreign men are joining our submarine force:D

[Kloef]

Anybody have a link to this crap?, i'm just curious but the yahoo link is not available in my country:hmmm:

[Catfish]

Right film at the right time to make friends in Pakistan :D

I cannot see it here either, the internet is being heavily censored by countries recently, even for this kind of .. well ..

But some is here, just can't say whether it is the same content as Neal's link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShUeypvoMKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLfdz4XSf18

Now some former U-boat men said that "Das Boot" was unrealistic :hmm2: :88)

[Kloef]

I cannot see it here either, the internet is being heavily censored by countries recently, even for this kind of .. well ..

Yahoo is the problem not the censorship, i never get to watch any movie on Yahoo, been a member for 17 years but does that give me anything in terms of service for being a member for so long? Nope...

Thanks for the link i will watch it when i have the stumach for a bad movie, right now it's 'old warmovies' time, i'm in the mood for The Great Escape:yep:

[soopaman2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

Play this while you watch it, makes it way better.:D

This production is freaking hilarious!:03:

[Rip]

The basic premise that a submarine CO can just tell fire control to target the weapons to where he wants is laughable. Launch codes are provided and the sub has no way of knowing independently what the target is or of changing it.

Do they think the people that control nuclear launches are stupid or something? Do you think that they would allow it to be possible to hijack an SSBN and just have access to launching nucs on whoever you want?

Now I am not about to go into details about how such things are done but I will say the basic premise is crazy town lunacy.

:Kaleun_Goofy:

[Kloef]

Right, watched this for 5 seconds and it was more than enough:timeout:

[u crank]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

Play this while you watch it, makes it way better.:D

This production is freaking hilarious!:03:

:up: Cool thing is it works for almost everything. :haha:

[codefool]

I had a completely different reaction. The key thing here is that the entire situation - the launch orders, the captain being relieved, etc. - is the result of a conspiracy that will be revealed "in the mysterious future." Since the POTUS is clearly OTL, and there is something going on here outside the DOD, then the captain took the only course of action - to go some place defensible by a nuclear sub, demonstrate will to use specific force, and issue a statement (to prove he is "crazy" - a tie-in to the Reagan reference earlier) about what will happen if he's attacked. Clearly, the Story Arc is for the sub to sit pat, and wait for the world to once again become sane (whatever that is...) In the meantime, you have elements of a confused crew who are torn between the "legal" orders of their captain, and what they perceive is "legal" orders from the CIC. Oh, and then there's the seals and whatever mess they started ("We killed the wrong peeeeople...")

The writing is fast and clipped, and is for the mainstream audience. It seems there's more than a few steps missing from their nuclear launch protocol, but - as the OP remarked - only 44 minutes to get the sub where it needs to be by the end of the show. The acting is good, however, so maybe once they get their "sea legs" this will pick up a bit. I'll give it a couple of more episodes. But, as someone above remarked, if time travel or eternity water or their ilk comes about, all bets are off.

[Onkel Neal]

Nice summary! :up:

[Hinrich Schwab]

I am normally not one to take another person's word on something, but it sounds like Bernard wrote the script on this one. :doh:

[soopaman2]

I am normally not one to take another person's word on something, but it sounds like Bernard wrote the script on this one. :doh:

Bernard is a fun loving, good intentioned sailor.

Sure he drinks the peroxide in the torpedoes, but he would certainly be able to write something better than this.:D

Bernard is offended, I hope he isn't working in your radio room when a destroyer is looking for you.:O:

*:ping::ping::ping::ping:*

[Kapitan_Phillips]

My face as I read that whole synopsis

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23500000/the-5th-doctor-peter-davison-classic-doctor-who-23555154-259-196.png

[nikimcbee]

Hey KP, good to see you.:Kaleun_Periskop:

@ thread:

The show just looks too PC for me and they are pushing their women in subs agenda. Now, we've already had that debate here at subsim.

The thing that struck me most funny about the show, and the argument to have women in subs, was how they (the women) are not a distraction to the rest of the male crew. So I thought it was very ironic, that the people pushing the women in subs agenda, would be doing this (the CO and the XO):
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http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5956

Now isn't there some Navy rule that the CO can't be shagging crew members, let alone the second in command?:har:

I bet JAG would love these two in real life. We found our two newest cooks for the Navy tugboats in Alaska.

[Hinrich Schwab]

Bernard is a fun loving, good intentioned sailor.

Sure he drinks the peroxide in the torpedoes, but he would certainly be able to write something better than this.:D

Bernard is offended, I hope he isn't working in your radio room when a destroyer is looking for you.:O:

*:ping::ping::ping::ping:*

Bernard is normally a planesman on my boat. Stupid crash dive bug!:/\\!!

[Sailor Steve]

Sure he drinks the peroxide in the torpedoes...
You know, that explains a lot. :shifty:

[Malakie]

I too was United States Navy, an ST (Sonar Technician) in fact to start my career.

I have NOT seen the show yet and am waiting until I can watch it on my HDTV setup. Until then, there is much I do not know yet about the story.. That being said...

Since seeing the trailer for this show I have wondered a few things and I also knew immediately that this show was just not plausible nor believable although perhaps it looks cool.

First, a sub captain cannot launch his nukes on his own. And even if the entire crew agreed, he still could not launch them without one major step in the process. There is much more involved than just turning some keys, entering some codes and pushing of some buttons. Of that/those other steps I am not going to say nor discuss because it is still and will probably always be very highly classified. Let's just say it cannot happen.

My first thought when I saw the trailer was that the ONLY way anything like this had any possibility was if someone very high in the government somehow went rogue, was able to obtain launch codes, other procedures needed AND had access to some other very important parts of the government in this process and then somehow sent a legitimate launch order to the sub only for them to find out it was not valid and now the real government thought they went rogue.

But even that premise would just be so far out.

Thankfully I can say from experience that this scenario is pretty much impossible. There are too many checks and balances, way to many questions that would be asked and MUST be answered and so forth for there to be a launch. And that even includes in the case America is struck or launched upon first. Something known as the 'deadman's switch or scenario'.

I personally am more interested in the new show Revolution because it is more plausible albeit that is also a stretch in the sense all electricity is forever turned off and cannot ever be turned back on... even on that one I cannot think of any scenario that could change physics to such a degree and yet mankind survive...

[Kaye T. Bai]

Looks like the NavyTimes is reporting on this show as well. Apparently, there's a retired Navy O-5 submariner who loved the show.

http://militarytimes.com/entertainment/tv/offduty-lastresort-092412w/

I'm still looking forward to Robert Patrick as the COB. That guy is a beast. Braugher's not so bad, either. I liked some of his other work. :salute:

http://timeentertainment.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/127866_5627_ful.jpg?w=600&h=400&crop=1
http://www.last-resort.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Last-Resort-Entertainment-Weekly-August-2012-002.jpg
http://static.igossip.com/photos_2012/150/small_dead-like-me-robert-patrick.jpg

Now isn't there some Navy rule that the CO can't be shagging crew members, let alone the second in command? I bet JAG would love these two in real life. We found our two newest cooks for the Navy tugboats in Alaska.

Fraternization, homie. The XO and an LT? No way, Jose! Besides, if you're fraternizing in-service, you must really be desperate. Surely there are better choices! :O:

[soopaman2]

In all realism, if something were to happen in real life, would multiple officers onboard have to "agree" for a lack of better words.?

One man is never given such a decision, it makes no sense. Also the 2 key stuff we see in movies, is that real too?

I am interested on how a launch would be initiated on a real boomer.

I know subsim can deliver!:salute:

I do not want classified stuff, just hypothetically asking.

[Onkel Neal]

The thing that struck me most funny about the show, and the argument to have women in subs, was how they (the women) are not a distraction to the rest of the male crew. So I thought it was very ironic, that the people pushing the women in subs agenda, would be doing this (the CO and the XO):
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http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=5956

Now isn't there some Navy rule that the CO can't be shagging crew members, let alone the second in command?:har:



That's not the CO and XO. She's a defence contractor and he's some kind of metrosexual eye candy, or something. They are nowhere near the sub.

[Cybermat47]

That's not the CO and XO. She's a defence contractor and he's some kind of metrosexual eye candy, or something. They are nowhere near the sub.

Eh.
Imagine if you made it so that that scene was what the crew of U-156 was watching at the beginning of The Sinking of the Laconia.
I assure you, nobody would be cheering in that version!

[Onkel Neal]

Airs tonight. Let' see what you think.:salute:

[Kaye T. Bai]

Airs tonight. Let' see what you think.

Admin, user. Letting you know what we think. Aye, sir! :up:

[Godalmighty83]

I liked it, I don't particularly care if some real life obstacles was plot holed out the way I found it enjoyable and a interesting premise.

A real life drama set on a boomber wouldn't be very thrilling 'dear diary we floated around a bit, much like the past 97 days but today I think I heard a fish'.

Its not like we are drowning in entertaining shows at the moment especially ones about subs so iam going to carry on watching and hope it pulls a Spartacus where the after a few episodes the awesome ramps up.

[Kaye T. Bai]

Spotted some factual goofs, but it was decent. Wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Personally, I thought that Andre Braugher's acting was probably the strong suit of the episode; he was very charismatic, especially in the speech where he said "We'll all burn together". That sent chills up and down my spine.

[Onkel Neal]

It will be interesting to see where they take it from here.

[Malakie]

Well, I watched the show tonight and have to say I like it! There are a few question about the story itself of course but for TV land I would say they did a pretty good job of portraying things..

As a U.S. Navy Disabled Veteran and having started my career first as a Sonar Technician, I was looking for details along with the story. They did a pretty good job all in all!

Some might say the story is not plausible but then who knows? What I do know is one of our subs would not just go rogue and the actions the crew takes in this story are right on the mark as far as I am concerned.

The big question of course is: Who in our government has enough power to pull this off and be able to keep United States Navy ships, 4-star Admirals and more in the dark about it?

I can tell you this, and it will be interested to see how this plays out, those that have access to the NMCC, Our nuclear priority Command Authority Bases around the world, Our submarines operational patrol patterns and locations as well as communication protocols and times, and who can initiate the generation of a daily launch coded message WITHOUT most of the command structure knowing... well let's just say there are not many that could pull this off in our government.. let alone do it without anyone knowing.

We already know the Assistant SecDef is involved. Most probably some in the naval command structure around him. With that I can tell you there are probably a number of ship captains who are also on board this act.. including sub captains based on the launch against Pakistan that did take place.

In essence we have a full blown and active coup attempt now taking place in the United States of America. Reason: Unknown. Threat Assessment: Unknown. Involved: Unknown

Were, today, I in this situation on board this boat with this captain, I WOULD stand with him because he did everything right. Some people might say he was wrong in questioning the orders.. Actually he was right. More right than ever because the one thing command is taught is to never assume, always ask questions especially when orders make no sense or when they go against everything that is normal.. Commanding Officers are supposed to think on their feet and not assume or blindly follow along. And this is even more true when you remember that ALL of us who have and are serving are volunteers!

In this case the order coming from a secondary command point while Washington and the NMCC still exists.

My questions now are this: Where is the President and Vice President? Where is the SecDef? Where is the SecNav?

AND whomever is running this plot and coup attempt is, they now have two HUGE major problems.... First, the crew was able to contact home so now many people know they are not dead and everything was a lie. And second, a nuke was just set off 200 miles from D.C. and everyone saw it... not just in D.C. but every other capable nation saw it.

With our media the way it is and the internet out there, I cannot actually see a way to keep this bottled up and under wraps from the public... and that is a problem for this show I think because it is just not feasible that the media and the public would not know the truth in a matter of time.. a nuke went off.. people ARE going to be digging and asking question no matter WHAT fake story is put out there... and when the loved ones get out there and start talking.. or disappearing too... well..

[Cybermat47]

:agree:
I agree

[Godalmighty83]

There's a awful lot of angles to cover not even including the world now being at nuclear war, probably far too much for a 44min pilot which already seemed to have to rush through certain events, plenty to expand on in time.

[Kaye T. Bai]

There's a awful lot of angles to cover not even including the world now being at nuclear war, probably far too much for a 44min pilot which already seemed to have to rush through certain events, plenty to expand on in time.

I agree. I think the pilot was way too fast-paced; they tried to fit in a season's worth of events into one episode.

Personally, I think they should have diverted the first few episodes into introducing the characters and building up the chemistry between them. Any fictional work is much more enjoyable when the characters are understood well. For example, LT Shepard's actions really annoyed me in the pilot, especially the way she went around blatantly disrespecting the COB, who was a seasoned MCPO. However, with some insight as to the background into her character, we could've seen why her actions were and whyh she did what she did.

The entire pilot episode, stretched out over several episodes, would've made a damn fine season if you ask me. Now, we just have to wait and see how they will top that. I'll go ahead and forgive the factual errors, seeing as they didn't have official USN/DoD support; suspension of disbelief.

[timmyg00]

EPIC FAIL.

[Onkel Neal]

It's being applauded by many critics and most TV fans, but I'm sorry--the idea of a nuke sub CO and XO launching a nuke anywhere near DC is fizzing with stupidity. Unless, the writers reveal that all of the officers in change have gone certifiably insane, OR possessed by demons or aliens, maybe then I would buy that.

Still, it's pretty hard to dismiss that the US would not send in another sub or a stealth bomber and take out that stationary, surfaced-in-a-shallow-harbor-boomer while the CO, XO, and hot chick officer are speculatin' 2 miles away at the NATO station. :ping:

[soopaman2]

It's being applauded by many critics and most TV fans, but I'm sorry--the idea of a nuke sub CO and XO launching a nuke anywhere near DC is fizzing with stupidity. Unless, the writers reveal that all of the officers in change have gone certifiably insane, OR possessed by demons or aliens, maybe then I would buy that.

Still, it's pretty hard to dismiss that the US would not send in another sub or a stealth bomber and take out that stationary, surfaced-in-a-shallow-harbor-boomer while the CO, XO, and hot chick officer are speculatin' 2 miles away at the NATO station. :ping:


We were looking for Das boot with American flags, We got Das Arschloch, with insults to our intelligence.

[Takeda Shingen]

I missed the premeire last night, but caught the rebroadcast tonight. Didn't make it past the opening with the boomer sailing around surfaced. Clicked if off after 30 seconds. Wife was perturbed.

[Cybermat47]

Unless, the writers reveal that all of the officers in change have gone certifiably insane, OR possessed by demons or aliens, maybe then I would buy that.


Of course!
They're Dalek Duplicates, like from Ressurection of the Daleks, or Asylum of the Daleks!

[soopaman2]

I missed the premeire last night, but caught the rebroadcast tonight. Didn't make it past the opening with the boomer sailing around surfaced. Clicked if off after 30 seconds. Wife was perturbed.


She turned off by war movies like mine is, or did the steaming mound of horse manure bother her? A womans Bull-stuff detector is uncanny.

At least this pile of doo-doo steamed, most just lay there all cold, and full of corn and peanuts.

I should really die for some of the stuff I say.

[Takeda Shingen]

She turned off by war movies like mine is, or did the steaming mound of horse manure bother her?

No, she wanted to watch it, but I turned it off after 30 seconds.

[Gerald]

No, she wanted to watch it, but I turned it off after 30 seconds. Autocrats, :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

Autocrats, :hmmm:

No.

[Gerald]

No. I knew it! :)

[DMCCC]

In all realism, if something were to happen in real life, would multiple officers onboard have to "agree" for a lack of better words.?

One man is never given such a decision, it makes no sense. Also the 2 key stuff we see in movies, is that real too?

I am interested on how a launch would be initiated on a real boomer.


IIRC, the CO, XO and two other officers must agree for a launch to happen.

I think there are 4 sets of keys which are needed to launch the Trident SLBMs on a boomer.

There are the 24 EBW firing unit keys locked inside the a safe in the captain's stateroom. They for the gas generators on each missile tube.

Then there is the Tactical Mode key and tactical firing trigger which are both in the Missile Control Center.

And lastly there is the Captain's Indicator Panel key which is locked in a safe that nobody on the boat knows the combination to. It comes in as the last part of the EAM.

The tactical firing trigger is not a key, it pistol grip which is pained red. The Weapons Officer squeezes it when the time comes to launch.

Can anyone who served on a boomer confirm this?

[geetrue]

Can anyone who served on a boomer confirm this?

Yep! Me, but you sound like you know more than I do due to my 41 years of being on my last patrol.

Speaking of my last patrol (that's what I named my submarine movie by the way) the captain and the XO both had to wear side arms after the message was intercepted.

The captain speaking in real life on the 1mc:

"We have just recieved a message from the President of the United States to launch missiles"

"Now man battle stations missile"

The message would be sent by the joint chiefs of staff through Colorado whatever they call it warfare center. The message would be sent coded in a regular UP/AP news release. Surely they don't do it the same way 41 years later, but that's how they did it then, plus a whole lot of bells would go off in radio which shared our same false overhead.

Sometimes (not always) but sometimes the captain would say this is a drill and sometimes he wouldn't. The other sonarmen that always got there late fresh from their six on twelve off routine would always ask, Is this a drill"?

Then we would all moan and groan and act like we only had 15 minutes left to live after being back tracked by Russian intelligence spy sat's in the sky. We could only make 25 kts an hour in those days and if anyone was looking for our signature on sonar we would stand out very clearly to an enemy sub looking for us.

Yes siree those were the days ...

Speaking about last resort however I really liked it ... i liked the seal team guy on the nato island doing his Clint Eastwood number on the local island sheriff.

The acting of Captain Chaplin, I think someone called him Andre, was most excellant. He made me sober too with a missile sent to Washington, DC, but made it land 200 miles off shore. bet that would piss off a couple of lobster fisherman.

I have it on my dish Hopper to record every thursday night as I watch NFL Thursday night football with the real offical's now.

[Malakie]

EPIC FAIL.



LOL a bubblehead would say that! :D

If I took the show as factual including military protocol, sub details internally and so many other things, then I would agree with you. This cannot happen as portrayed in this show...


However..... as entertainment and for people who really do not know the nuance as you and I do, they did a pretty good job especially considering they have NO access to Naval personnel, equipment nor protocols.

[Malakie]

No, she wanted to watch it, but I turned it off after 30 seconds.



Keep things in perspective... this is entertainment not fact and I am assuming more people know that. As entertainment and a reader of Clancy, Brown and others, I liked the story.

If I look at it critically as a Navy man then I would agree with you but I am not doing that. I like a good story.. and this show has the start of one that hopefully does not go off into some weird screwed up alien supernatural idiotic and mindless direction.

[Malakie]

Yep! Me, but you sound like you know more than I do due to my 41 years of being on my last patrol.

Speaking of my last patrol (that's what I named my submarine movie by the way) the captain and the XO both had to wear side arms after the message was intercepted.

The captain speaking in real life on the 1mc:

"We have just recieved a message from the President of the United States to launch missiles"

"Now man battle stations missile"

The message would be sent by the joint chiefs of staff through Colorado whatever they call it warfare center. The message would be sent coded in a regular UP/AP news release. Surely they don't do it the same way 41 years later, but that's how they did it then, plus a whole lot of bells would go off in radio which shared our same false overhead.

Sometimes (not always) but sometimes the captain would say this is a drill and sometimes he wouldn't. The other sonarmen that always got there late fresh from their six on twelve off routine would always ask, Is this a drill"?

Then we would all moan and groan and act like we only had 15 minutes left to live after being back tracked by Russian intelligence spy sat's in the sky. We could only make 25 kts an hour in those days and if anyone was looking for our signature on sonar we would stand out very clearly to an enemy sub looking for us.

Yes siree those were the days ...

Speaking about last resort however I really liked it ... i liked the seal team guy on the nato island doing his Clint Eastwood number on the local island sheriff.

The acting of Captain Chaplin, I think someone called him Andre, was most excellant. He made me sober too with a missile sent to Washington, DC, but made it land 200 miles off shore. bet that would piss off a couple of lobster fisherman.

I have it on my dish Hopper to record every thursday night as I watch NFL Thursday night football with the real offical's now.



Umm I hate to do this but you need to be careful what you write if indeed you (and the person you replied to did serve on a boomer(s)...

I do not know if you are still in the Navy but disclosure of details such as that poster wrote and you replied to are highly classified... you should know that. Even if you are now out of the Navy your oath and security restrictions still apply.

I do not mean to come across as an ass.. just wanted to remind you of this because I know what it is like to get caught up in conversation and let things come out you would normally not do.

Remember that intelligence agencies are not against trolling places like this for information...

Hope you take this message as intended and not a personal slight.. not intended as such.. just a friendly reminder one Navy man to another..

[Kaye T. Bai]

Keep things in perspective... this is entertainment not fact and I am assuming more people know that. As entertainment and a reader of Clancy, Brown and others, I liked the story. If I look at it critically as a Navy man then I would agree with you but I am not doing that. I like a good story.. and this show has the start of one that hopefully does not go off into some weird screwed up alien supernatural idiotic and mindless direction.

Well said. If you watch this expecting "Das Boot", you will be sorely disappointed. However, if you watch it with some suspension of disbelief, it's actually pretty decent. I can forgive the factual goofs, such as drinking/having alcohol on board, saluting without covers, as they do not take away from the overall plot. As a TV drama, it's pretty good. As a documentary of life in the fleet, not so much.

That said, it's certainly better than "Battleship".

[Malakie]

Well said. If you watch this expecting "Das Boot", you will be sorely disappointed. However, if you watch it with some suspension of disbelief, it's actually pretty decent. I can forgive the factual goofs, such as drinking/having alcohol on board, saluting without covers, as they do not take away from the overall plot. As a TV drama, it's pretty good. As a documentary of life in the fleet, not so much.

That said, it's certainly better than "Battleship".


Had to laugh... I liked 'Battleship'! Maybe because I am a destroyer man (Tin Can Sailor). The only part I did not like was that once they were fired upon all three Arleigh Burkes did not let loose with everything they had including harps, torps, bow and stern guns, SM2's and deck guns. I mean it should have been pretty dam obvious those ships were not from our planet once the first hit took place.

(BTW, Yes I know one was a Jap ship however that Jap ship is basically a 'copy' of the United States Arleigh Burke class.)

In this TV show with the Sub, at first I could not remember the alcohol part you mentioned but then I remembered the drink with the Captain... That actually is not necessarily wrong in the portrayal.. First I have seen instances where a hidden bottle come out for strictly "medicinal purposes' you see.. :03:

On top of that however, I had occasion to be on board a U.S. Navy warship at sea where we stopped in the middle of the ocean, had a cookout AND each crewman had and received an allotment of 2 beers to drink.. those not on duty of course.

So special circumstances do allow for it.. just not like on Brit ships etc where they actually have a pub on board of a sorts.

[geetrue]

Umm I hate to do this but you need to be careful what you write if indeed you (and the person you replied to did serve on a boomer(s)...

I do not know if you are still in the Navy but disclosure of details such as that poster wrote and you replied to are highly classified... you should know that. Even if you are now out of the Navy your oath and security restrictions still apply.

I do not mean to come across as an ass.. just wanted to remind you of this because I know what it is like to get caught up in conversation and let things come out you would normally not do.

Remember that intelligence agencies are not against trolling places like this for information...

Hope you take this message as intended and not a personal slight.. not intended as such.. just a friendly reminder one Navy man to another..

You need to understand the math of 41 years son ... The years I served ranged 1962-1971 which equals in WWII years from when I served to today would be 1900 to 1941.

The US Navy has changed since then and will continue to change for the better.

No you didn't slight me ... notice the other poster only posted once and was more than likley fishing for information.

by the way I was 10 miles off kamchatka peninsula on a diesel submarine November 1963 when President Kenendy died ...
we thought we were going to war then and I still think we are going to go to war today ...
it's just a matter of time on when.

Nope you didn't slight this old salt ... you just pissed me off thats all :haha:

[Teh_Diplomat]

I watched this last night, and I must say this is the reason why premium cables shows (Showtime/HBO/AMC) have been winning Emmy's and creating fantastic shows that keep you hooked.


I felt like I was watching the season ender, not the opening season.

Everything in the first episode felt so crammed together. The brief news blurb on the President being under impeachment (why?/howcome?) The calls for nukes to be launched right after the break(wait I get to know the crew only 10 mins and now **** hits the fan?), the prototype on the Sub and the lady who created it(why was it put on the that sub, could we perchance explore that a little deeper instead of rushing on to the NATO forward command site?

They have a lot of potential in terms of understanding how to that sub ended up where it did, but it felt rushed, as if it had to show something crazy before every commercial break.


I feel this was a good plot, ruined by executives because any conspiracy theory show/ especially with false flags, and suchnot would be far better drawn out and explain everything whilst suspense ensues.


In a lot of ways this show reminds me of Prison Break, in the sense that once they resolve the key issue what else is left for the show? Once they stand down or are granted alysum that is; much in the same way that once you break out of prison how much longer can the show go on and retain some quality?


/rant

[Malakie]

You need to understand the math of 41 years son ... The years I served ranged 1962-1971 which equals in WWII years from when I served to today would be 1900 to 1941.

The US Navy has changed since then and will continue to change for the better.

No you didn't slight me ... notice the other poster only posted once and was more than likley fishing for information.

by the way I was 10 miles off kamchatka peninsula on a diesel submarine November 1963 when President Kenendy died ...
we thought we were going to war then and I still think we are going to go to war today ...
it's just a matter of time on when.

Nope you didn't slight this old salt ... you just pissed me off thats all :haha:


LOL at 49 years old, being called 'Son' made me laugh.. I am glad you understood and took what I was saying in the way it was meant! And you are correct.... I noticed too that other guy did not say much more and has gone silent now regarding this.

Did not me to piss you off though! :03:

[SimHq Tom Cofield]

I watched this last night, and I must say this is the reason why premium cables shows (Showtime/HBO/AMC) have been winning Emmy's and creating fantastic shows that keep you hooked.


I felt like I was watching the season ender, not the opening season.

Everything in the first episode felt so crammed together. The brief news blurb on the President being under impeachment (why?/howcome?) The calls for nukes to be launched right after the break(wait I get to know the crew only 10 mins and now **** hits the fan?), the prototype on the Sub and the lady who created it(why was it put on the that sub, could we perchance explore that a little deeper instead of rushing on to the NATO forward command site?

They have a lot of potential in terms of understanding how to that sub ended up where it did, but it felt rushed, as if it had to show something crazy before every commercial break.


I feel this was a good plot, ruined by executives because any conspiracy theory show/ especially with false flags, and suchnot would be far better drawn out and explain everything whilst suspense ensues.


In a lot of ways this show reminds me of Prison Break, in the sense that once they resolve the key issue what else is left for the show? Once they stand down or are granted alysum that is; much in the same way that once you break out of prison how much longer can the show go on and retain some quality?


/rant

I saw it, it was OK. I had to suspend disbelief but I can do that. I have to othewise I will rip apart any medical or military movie I watch.

One thing I don't get is why they tried to cram so much into one hour. This 'first' hour could have easily gone 2-3 episodes and probably would have gotten the show off to a better feel. Geez, at sea, ordered to fire, question order, get relieved, get shot at, get damaged, get away to some island, take over the island, watch as the US nukes Pakistan, go threaten the US, then fire a nuke at Washington that flies over the city to fry the QE3 in the middle of the Atlantic. There could have been an entire season in just the first hour of the thing but they had to shove all of this down our throat, including a side plot with some defense contractors and some 'secret' device on the sub. Have I got it all there yet? Nope, there is some 'secret' aboard the boat that has some crew members trying to sabotage the boat, the hot female on the boat that you know will be banging the XO eventually because there HAS to be sexual tension on the boat.


Factual innacuracies are expected, I seriously doubt the Navy Department is just going to let a bunch of actors hang out on a boomer for a month so that they can figure out the exact launch sequence or all protocols. Besides being a breach of national security it would take a boomer out of service for the sake of a stupid TV show. But this thing must have been sponsored by the National Association of Attention Deficit Disorder members because it bounces all over the place and doesn't settle down long enough for the average person to figure out. Take a leak and you are confused. Not good for the first of what they hope is a successful series.

[Malakie]

I saw it, it was OK. I had to suspend disbelief but I can do that. I have to othewise I will rip apart any medical or military movie I watch.

One thing I don't get is why they tried to cram so much into one hour. This 'first' hour could have easily gone 2-3 episodes and probably would have gotten the show off to a better feel. Geez, at sea, ordered to fire, question order, get relieved, get shot at, get damaged, get away to some island, take over the island, watch as the US nukes Pakistan, go threaten the US, then fire a nuke at Washington that flies over the city to fry the QE3 in the middle of the Atlantic. There could have been an entire season in just the first hour of the thing but they had to shove all of this down our throat, including a side plot with some defense contractors and some 'secret' device on the sub. Have I got it all there yet? Nope, there is some 'secret' aboard the boat that has some crew members trying to sabotage the boat, the hot female on the boat that you know will be banging the XO eventually because there HAS to be sexual tension on the boat.


Factual innacuracies are expected, I seriously doubt the Navy Department is just going to let a bunch of actors hang out on a boomer for a month so that they can figure out the exact launch sequence or all protocols. Besides being a breach of national security it would take a boomer out of service for the sake of a stupid TV show. But this thing must have been sponsored by the National Association of Attention Deficit Disorder members because it bounces all over the place and doesn't settle down long enough for the average person to figure out. Take a leak and you are confused. Not good for the first of what they hope is a successful series.



I think you pretty well summed it up completely! :hmm2:

New episode tonight so we shall see what it brings..

[Kaye T. Bai]

Whereas I was critical of the first episode, I felt the second episode was superb. Lots of action, suspense and drama. Loved the dialogue between the CO and the COB, and the scene where the XO spoke with the CO inside his stateroom. The gunplay was decent for a TV show too. Looks like they're correcting their mistakes here; can't wait for the next episode! :)

[Malakie]

I liked it too.. I have to admit I was surprised by the Spetznaz insertion. I too thought Navy Seals or Delta. The ante' has been upped..

Looking forward to the next show...

[Captain_Rockwell_Torry]

Well, all I can say is what are they doing to my Navy! I served from 71 to 75 and knew some of these people, including a few seals. I would suspect the seals in general would not apreciate the way they are being depicted in this nor most of the other rates on this boat. Andre Braurer should have told those clowns they better get their scuba gear, cause the're swimming home. I'm a big fan of Robert Patrick, even though I know he can play a real S.O.B. when its called for, After all he was screwing around with one of his own elistedmans wife in the Unit, but I expected him to be behind the Captain all the way no matter what. I never met a Chief in the Navy who would have ever done what he's doing in this show! I know this is all science fiction, but this is a bit much. Even Captain Kirk said "This is not a democracy mister", since the Captain is the "Captain" for a reason, so obviously who ever is doing the writing is a complete bafoon when it comes to military protocal. I grew up watching Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, and it was far better than this the first two seasons, until it became a monster of the week joke. This reminds me of Star Gate Universe, you could never find a character on the show that you could relate to because none of them had any redeeming qualities. And two Marines walking into a full Admiral's office and taking the phone away from him! I don't know, maybe it will get better, but the problem seems to me that people watching this show will really believe this crap goes on in the Navy, and that really bothers me. I guess this kind of stuff, is like scratching nails on a chalk board to me! Andre Brauer is a fine actor, as is Robert Patrick, I'm just surprised either one of them signed on for this. Anyway, that's just my 25 cents worth. I really would like to see the kind of shows I grew up watching like Combat and Twelve O'Clock High again that inspired rather than just tear down what this country stands for. Instead all we get is shows filled with so many inacuracies, about whats real, that they are a joke, which others think are the way it really is!

Regards:
Captain Rockwell Torry:hmmm:

[Godalmighty83]

I don't think anyone would really believe that things like shown could happen as it seems most enjoy it by simply ignoring or accepting the innacuracies that are shown and simply sitting down and enjoying a interesting new show.

So two options, get hung up on trivial details and mock scoffingly on the internet about how bad it is because the used the wrong font on a instrument display or sit down watch and enjoy the pretty much only naval show that has been made in the past millennium.

[Malakie]

Well, all I can say is what are they doing to my Navy! I served from 71 to 75 and knew some of these people, including a few seals. I would suspect the seals in general would not apreciate the way they are being depicted in this nor most of the other rates on this boat. Andre Braurer should have told those clowns they better get their scuba gear, cause the're swimming home. I'm a big fan of Robert Patrick, even though I know he can play a real S.O.B. when its called for, After all he was screwing around with one of his own elistedmans wife in the Unit, but I expected him to be behind the Captain all the way no matter what. I never met a Chief in the Navy who would have ever done what he's doing in this show! I know this is all science fiction, but this is a bit much. Even Captain Kirk said "This is not a democracy mister", since the Captain is the "Captain" for a reason, so obviously who ever is doing the writing is a complete bafoon when it comes to military protocal. I grew up watching Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, and it was far better than this the first two seasons, until it became a monster of the week joke. This reminds me of Star Gate Universe, you could never find a character on the show that you could relate to because none of them had any redeeming qualities. And two Marines walking into a full Admiral's office and taking the phone away from him! I don't know, maybe it will get better, but the problem seems to me that people watching this show will really believe this crap goes on in the Navy, and that really bothers me. I guess this kind of stuff, is like scratching nails on a chalk board to me! Andre Brauer is a fine actor, as is Robert Patrick, I'm just surprised either one of them signed on for this. Anyway, that's just my 25 cents worth. I really would like to see the kind of shows I grew up watching like Combat and Twelve O'Clock High again that inspired rather than just tear down what this country stands for. Instead all we get is shows filled with so many inacuracies, about whats real, that they are a joke, which others think are the way it really is!

Regards:
Captain Rockwell Torry:hmmm:



I do agree with you 100% in everything you wrote. However I had to make the decision to follow the story vs pick it apart. We both know this type of situation is not possible from our experience. Accepting that up front was the hardest part for me. However I want to see what kind of story comes out of this.

All that being said, I do have hope though that at some point they hired or will hire someone that can give them some advice on military protocol, chain of command functions and the actual actions and reactions of a real Naval crew member.

The C.O.B. would never do what he did in this show UNLESS it turns out that this C.O.B. and the seals that came on board are part of the conspiracy and story taking place. A C.O.B. has no say, no right to question nor any control over what orders the Captain may or may not get or follow through on. His place is to handle the crew and crew issues not command decision authority.

In reality the only time a sailor can disobey is if the order is immoral or illegal under the U.C.M.J. or U.S. Constitution. And if they do so, they dam well better be prepared to explain themselves and accept the fallout from said action (or inaction).

So yes you are right in everything you said... but put all that aside and just watch the story. That is what I am doing and it has enough plot twists that I am intrigued enough to see where it all goes.

[Onkel Neal]

I don't think anyone would really believe that things like shown could happen as it seems most enjoy it by simply ignoring or accepting the innacuracies that are shown and simply sitting down and enjoying a interesting new show.

So two options, get hung up on trivial details and mock scoffingly on the internet about how bad it is because the used the wrong font on a instrument display or sit down watch and enjoy the pretty much only naval show that has been made in the past millennium.
Wait. We're way beyond "wrong font on a instrument display", we're deep into "aliens are controlling their brains with macaroni" territory.

[Kaye T. Bai]

To tell you the truth, the thing that bothered me the most about the last episode was the way the sailors wore their eight-point NWU covers. How? Like baseball caps! But, then again, that's somewhat accurate. The eight-point cover has been bastardized by many sailors lately. :D

Hey, I'm pretty stingy when it comes to inaccuracies, but if I can find this show fun to watch, then you all can too. :up:

[nikimcbee]

Countdown to Hurley!
Hurley!
Hurley!
Hurley!
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Dude, you just pushed the launch button.

[Takeda Shingen]

Did they just use depth charges? :haha:

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, once the magic cloaking device was disabled, the surface ships dropped depth charges. Guess they were out of torpedoes. Lucky the sub had constant, static-free communications with the NATO station that was tracking them through the underwater canyons and caves! :ping:

[Takeda Shingen]

I also like how they ripped the Melanesian choir from The Thin Red Line at the end there. Like no one with an interest in military or historical fiction ever saw that film.

EDIT:

When it comes down to it, the series seems like it wants to capture the whole Bruckheimer military-hip thing but it's just trying too damn hard, much in the same way that lousy sitcoms try too hard to be funny.

[Onkel Neal]

:up:

[Malakie]

Yeah, once the magic cloaking device was disabled, the surface ships dropped depth charges. Guess they were out of torpedoes. Lucky the sub had constant, static-free communications with the NATO station that was tracking them through the underwater canyons and caves! :ping:



Ok even I had issues with this episode.... First perfect comms with a shore station that guides them blindly through a canyon at speed? WTF?

Next, depth charges????????? What is this wwII? We DO NOT HAVE depth charges on our warships today. We have Torpedoes and AsRoc. We do not have DC's.

I have been advocating the show to this point but if stupid glaring mistakes like this continue... well even I might start re-thinking this...

They need a technical adviser on this show...

[Kaye T. Bai]

They need a technical adviser on this show...

I'd do it for free if they asked me. They should've done what "Crimson Tide" did; get retired naval officers as advisors if the DoD/USN refuse to lend official support. :salute:

[geetrue]

I like to watch it with the sound off ... :O:

Where else can you see an Ohio class submarine surfaced in a remote (which is really Hawaii north shore) island setting with a crew fighting the men that are suppose to be in charge of the reason why they are at sea in the first place?

I look foreward to the next episode without the sound on of course.

By the way wouldn't a nuclear depth charge come in handy to blow anything within 50 miles out of the water?

[Kaye T. Bai]

Episode was enjoyable. I liked the drama, especially the dialogue between the sailors, and the tensions between the SEALs. The standoff at the conn was nice too.

Next episode, the newly-minted SECDEF comes to the island to meet with SSBN-753's wardroom; with a full complement of Marines with him. Lookin' forward to that.

[Cybermat47]

This show sounds like the storys improving, but the realism still sucks.

[Malakie]

Episode was enjoyable. I liked the drama, especially the dialogue between the sailors, and the tensions between the SEALs. The standoff at the conn was nice too.

Next episode, the newly-minted SECDEF comes to the island to meet with SSBN-753's wardroom; with a full complement of Marines with him. Lookin' forward to that.

I agree. I liked this episode as well. In fact I noticed a change in some smaller things.. One big one that caught my attention was something the Captain said... What he said is true and how I personally feel..

I personally often remind people that when I joined the United States Navy I took an oath. What most people 'think'; what most TV shows or movies say; and what most Americans even those still serving do not realize is that the oath we took does not say anything about protecting or defending the government of this country nor even the presidency.

My oath that I took and still abide by now states that "I will protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against ALL enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC....". The show got this exactly right which is rare.

And in the show tonight, the Captain pointed that out very clearly. Sometimes in conversation I have commented about how I very much do not like the path our government is taking nor the underhanded laws and changes being passed eroding our constitutional rights. And invariably I get someone that says "yea but you took an oath in the military so you and every one else will do the governments bidding and we civilians won't have a chance..."

Not true. Myself and many of my friends included point out our oath and what it truly says and means. I WILL defend our way of life and our Constitutional rights. But I will be damned if I will do the same for a government that is not for the people, by the people and that removes the rights of the people.

And that is why I have also said were this Captain my Captain and the circumstances were this, I would stand with him 100% because in this scenario, fictitious as it is, he is RIGHT and doing exactly what any honorable military service member and or Veteran would do.

About the only thing I feel awkward about is saluting the U.S. Flag in civvies... still feels a bit weird..

[geetrue]

Episode was enjoyable. I liked the drama, especially the dialogue between the sailors, and the tensions between the SEALs. The standoff at the conn was nice too.

Next episode, the newly-minted SECDEF comes to the island to meet with SSBN-753's wardroom; with a full complement of Marines with him. Lookin' forward to that.


First time I watched the show when it came on at 8pm pst.
I usually record it on my Dish Hopper DVR then watch the show the next day without the commercials,
but last night I turned up the sound and stayed the whole course.

I too enjoyed the seal team conflict and the island girl bartender romance. The washington scene was great too with that girl getting mad at being called a traitor.

The next show with the new secretary of defense making a play for the sub back looks good enough to stay tuned.

I give it three stars for sure ... plus all the new teen submarine recruits out there watching the show can't hurt the Navy.

I fell in love with submarines back in 1956 watcking the old black and white tv show "Silent Service"

Romance has to start somewhere and I can vounch for one thing everyone I served with was in love with submarines. lol

[Malakie]

First time I watched the show when it came on at 8pm pst.
I usually record it on my Dish Hopper DVR then watch the show the next day without the commercials,
but last night I turned up the sound and stayed the whole course.

I too enjoyed the seal team conflict and the island girl bartender romance. The washington scene was great too with that girl getting mad at being called a traitor.

The next show with the new secretary of defense making a play for the sub back looks good enough to stay tuned.

I give it three stars for sure ... plus all the new teen submarine recruits out there watching the show can't hurt the Navy.

I fell in love with submarines back in 1956 watcking the old black and white tv show "Silent Service"

Romance has to start somewhere and I can vounch for one thing everyone I served with was in love with submarines. lol

There was one point in the show that I thought was strange... Everyone was all up in arms about the nuclear missile that missed Washington.. But NO ONE was upset at all that Pakistan had been nuked! LOL

And with that there was the one larger mistake of this episode.. They are trying to say that the Colorado fired two nukes at Pakistan. Problem is twofold with that...

First, Every major country can EASILY pinpoint where the actual nuke was launched from. The fact the U.S. was trying to bomb a specific point on the map that the world now knew Colorado was parked and that the point of the launch was no where near that should raise eyebrows. Russia, England, France, China, Israel... they would all have that capability.

And second, All Colorado need to do to blow this wide open is have the Swiss or some other neutral come in and see how many nukes they still have in the pipes, not to mention interview the entire crew for verification on what they fired.

But that is just me nitpicking for a moment.. I look forward to seeing next week as well... Will the SEAL team back up the Colorado..... or not?

[Kaye T. Bai]

Good episode this time around; SSBN-753 "squares off" against a Virginia-class SSN and an L.A.-class SSN.

Although I was willing to give the COB the benefit of the doubt early on in the series, his blatant disrespect to a department head is a little annoying now. But, I'm sure he has his reasons.

New episode in two weeks.

[Onkel Neal]

I like how they show all the subs sailing around within 100 feet of each other, that means they are fighting.

Best line of the episode: "I know you can see our doors are open with your satellites."

[Takeda Shingen]

I like how they show all the subs sailing around within 100 feet of each other, that means they are fighting.

That cracked me up too. Maybe they were getting in range to use grapeshot.

EDIT: What what I found ridiculous was the whole emergency blow thing. The boat is at flank with a 30-degree up angle and she orders emergency blow. She then orders the blow 'reversed' and the boat magically ends up stationary at launch depth without broaching. That Ohio handles like a sports car.

[Oberon]

God help me...it's crossed the Atlantic! Saw an advert for it on Sky yesterday.

http://www.warshipsifr.com/LegacySite/media/defenceCuts1.jpg

"Man Battle stations for Anti-submarine warfare!"

[geetrue]

You guys may be knocking it, but I notice your watching it too

Getting way better with the Admiral taking out the female negotionater to save his daughter on the conn of the USS Colorado and after she saves the boat the crew salutes her.

Good acting, good writing, very enjoyable to this old salt ... :yep:

Hope the captain gets his day in court ...

If I was on the other crew that stayed behind (Gold or Blue crew)
I would find a way to get to that island and back them up on sonar :up:

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, I'm watching it, it's always good for a few laughs.

[Takeda Shingen]

Same here. I'm having a good time pointing out the gaffes.

[Red Brow]

I collect old US Sub movies. Beginning with Frank Capra's 1928 silent movie called 'Submarine' we see some drama/action scenes that became standard in such films by WWII. One that became standard was the 'ole torpedo rolls off it's torpedo-rack routine' that would crush a torpedo man. This usually follows some heavy jarring of the sub, such as a collision with a ship or a Japanese depth charge attack. Another routine was an intense conflict between seamen - in the case of Capra's film it was a love triangle between one of the sub's officers and his buddy who was a naval ship salvage expert.

In the early WWII movie 'Crash Dive' these routines were fleshed out further. Not only did the torpedo roll off its rack to crush a sailor, but when the captain went below to check it out he was injured in the head and was knocked out for sometime. The love triangle was intensified by having both suiters for the ladies hand in marriage brought into the same submarine as the Captain and his 2nd in command, a 'conflict team' that would even make a very slight appearance in Das Boot, and would become standard in nearly all American sub movies right up until Crimson Tide. In 'Hunt for Red October' the CIA company man Jack Ryan would come aboard the Dallas to take the roll of the Captain's opponent at least for a short stint.

This second movie would really establish several other needed formula scenes, such as a sub going to the bottom of the deep ocean, but only encountering perhaps 200 feet of water depth. Of course this was all portrayed in what looked like large aquariums or fish tanks. 'Crash Dive' also established the sub-movie tradition of an officer or captain that was wounded and left on deck as the sub submerged in a crash dive. Here too was established the said man's seeming last words: "Take her down! Take her down! (i.e. forget me)" This same formula even appears decades later in the movie U-571, though there the captain is about to drown in the ocean and is yelling his commands for his second in command to submerge the hijacked U-boat.

Another formula scene that developed later during WWII was the transformation of the 'love triangle conflict' into one about how the captain would not allow his second in command to be given his own sub until he either grew up or learned how to sacrifice his men when the action called for it. This reappears in U-571.

If you want a movie about a WWII sub that avoids all these formulas, watch 'Submarine Attack' about an Italian sub that sinks a Danish freighter.

[Onkel Neal]

You know your material,nice analysis

[Cybermat47]

Also, Red Brow...
WELCOME
TO
SUBSIM!

[Takeda Shingen]

Is it just me, or are these episodes getting shorter? So far I've counted three commercial breaks in the first 30 minutes, and one of them was almost 4 minutes long.

[Onkel Neal]

Not sure, I DVR and run through the ads. he ratings for the show are pretty bad, and ABC only ordered two additional episodes, instead of a full season.

I will say, having someone swipe the CO's nuke key adds a needed plot twist. And the ep was much better for having zero DC chick in it.

[Onkel Neal]

Sunk.

ABC Cancels Last Resort and 666 Park Avenue (http://tvline.com/2012/11/16/last-resort-666-park-avenue-cancelled/)

[Takeda Shingen]

The writing was on the wall. Take our nitpicking of detail, both technical and procedural out of it and you're still left with the fact that it just really wasn't a very good show. The writing was flat, the characters little more than cardboard figures and the primary story arch was schizophrenic at best. The show wanted very badly to be Lost with submarines, but it just couldn't keep you invested and retain the big story secrets, which was Lost's great strength.

[Onkel Neal]

Last Resort... TV mythology tough to pull off

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/television/article/1290636--last-resort-and-666-park-avenue-show-tv-mythology-tough-to-pull-off

Lost is the perfect illustration. The hugely popular genre drama was originally intended for a finite run of only 13 episodes. When the show caught on and was picked up for a whole season, and then another, and then another, and so on for six years, the writers soon found themselves inextricably wedged between a hatch and hard place.

[TinCanWolf]

I like the show, but they've really been pressed to come up with new stuff each week. I hope they do an excellent job of ending the show.

[Takeda Shingen]

I like the show, but they've really been pressed to come up with new stuff each week. I hope they do an excellent job of ending the show.

Holy crap it's TinCanWolf. How are ya buddy?

[B4rberblacksheep]

You guys may not like it for it's realism, and granted it is a case of everything happens at once, but the series is good and is far better than watching "I'm a Celebrity" or "X Factor"

[Onkel Neal]

Heck yeah :o it will be interesting to see how they wind it up

[Takeda Shingen]

You guys may not like it for it's realism, and granted it is a case of everything happens at once, but the series is good and is far better than watching "I'm a Celebrity" or "X Factor"

That's like arguing that Domino's Pizza is better than horse dung. Well, of course it's better than reality television, but that doesn't make it a good hour drama.

[Kaye T. Bai]

I like the show, but they've really been pressed to come up with new stuff each week. I hope they do an excellent job of ending the show.

I like it a bit as well. Strange that they're canning it; it got good critical reviews. Well, at least they'll give it a proper ending. :up:

[IonicRipper]

I also enjoy this show. I started watching it because it had to do with a submarine but in the end its not even about the sub. Sure it lacks realism but i'm not hardcore enough for that to affect me. I think it simply shouldn't be judged for the submarine itself, its just an accessory... Like a car in a cop show.

[Kaye T. Bai]

I also enjoy this show. I started watching it because it had to do with a submarine but in the end its not even about the sub. Sure it lacks realism but i'm not hardcore enough for that to affect me. I think it simply shouldn't be judged for the submarine itself, its just an accessory... Like a car in a cop show.

Same here, it's a show set (partly) on a submarine, rather than a show "about" submarines.

[FAdmiral]

The first episode was great !!! A stealth war involving modern subs.
But it very quickly became the "Island" and all the small petty problems
the cast faced. What I really wanted to see was the story line from
both ends of the mystery war sort of like they did in "24". If the writers
had maintained the "edge of your seat, what happens next" approach
instead of the tiny personal problems of everyone on the island and how
they all reacted, this could have been a great series. I always want to
get a look at what the president was doing & what were his/her objectives. But we never got that side of it except in tiny bits & pieces
put in the series inbetween all the junk. The last episode said the
"Season Finale" was coming this Thursday??? If the series was ending,
wouldn't they have said "Series Finale"??? This show could be a hit if
the writers made it more like the movie "Enemy Below".....

[Onkel Neal]

Good analysis. And welcome back, FAdmiral, haven't seen much of you lately. :salute:

[FAdmiral]

Had some medical issues (at 74,who doesn't) and hopefully this year
sometime, they will be all behind me.....
BTW, any yearly meets being planned, maybe for next year in Texas.

Footnote: Just because ABC cancelled this show because of some silly
executive reason doesn't mean some other network or cable net won't
revise it if they like the series and have much better writers than ABC did...

[Cybermat47]

Just saw episode one. Here's my synopsis:

Some SEALs go on a submarine after doing something and one of them is wounded. No explanation at all. Then the crew talk about sexism and start dancing, then are told to kill Pakistanis. Then the captain wants confirmation, so he gets relieved. His XO then does exactly what the captain was doing, so the Marines point guns at them and then they all get blown up.

ADBREAK!!

Then a woman starts to have sex with a guy, gets a text and runs off. Meanwhile, the U-96- um, I mean USS Colarado, has settled on the bottom of Gibraltar- sorry, Pacific Ocean. The Marines rush to their wounded guy, but Ario- their Leader dammit, get's hit in the arm- head, sorry, by a bolt, but closing a door gets the U-boat- Boomer, sorry- off the sea floor. And it's propeller still works after hitting the sea floor, so presumably God had something to do with it.

ADBREAK!!

The US blames it on Pakistan, nukes Pakistan, and says that the Colarado is gone. The captain gives everyone a crash course on using guns, they take over a small island, nuke some ocean several miles from DC, threatens the US, and then it's over.


In a nutshell: That escalated quickly.