View Full Version : New book by Navy SEAL contradicts official version of Bin Laden's death
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/14704092/book-gives-new-insights-bin-laden-death/?cmp=ydn
Will be interesting to see whether any action gets taken over this. I'd hope not, but then exposing classified information seems to get a lot of attention these days.
Its pretty debatable. From the bits I have seen, he may have done himself.
Takeda Shingen
08-29-12, 08:51 PM
Who cares? Dead is dead, and bin Laden is a man that deserved death. I am certainly not going to cry over an evil human being's justice. I just hope that Hell is hot enough for him.
CaptainHaplo
08-29-12, 11:46 PM
but then exposing classified information seems to get a lot of attention these days.
That depends. If you write a book - you might bet popped for it. If you leak stuff to reporters and movie makers and such to make yourself (or your boss) look good - it seems to be "wrong" but not serious enough to be a punishable offense.
Hottentot
08-30-12, 12:15 AM
Who cares?
I, for one, care about the truth, no matter whom it concerns. Killing bin Laden was without a question a historical event, and the less there is ambiguity about what happened, the less there will be myths and therefore less headache for the future historians having to prove these myths wrong over and over again. It may not be much now, but mere 100 years is a long time for myths be born and start living their own lives. Better try shooting them down now in our own era.
Not having read this book, I don't have an opinion of it. Also I might add that I'm not really losing my sleep over what they did to Osama. But I consider it a good thing that the official sob story is questioned if there are grounds for questioning it. If there are not, then this will sink as yet another conspiracy theory like that of 9/11 being an insider job. If there are, then yet another official sob story will be burned like that of Katyn. Either way the future history (an oxymoron?) benefits.
Takeda Shingen
08-30-12, 12:56 AM
I, for one, care about the truth, no matter whom it concerns.
http://lunachan.net/chat/src/134259377176.jpg
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Hottentot
08-30-12, 01:08 AM
Whoever that is, he needs to have a discussion with his barber. :timeout:
Who cares? Dead is dead, and bin Laden is a man that deserved death. I am certainly not going to cry over an evil human being's justice. I just hope that Hell is hot enough for him.
This SEAL obviously does. I personally don't care how he got popped. He's one individual who was deserving of a hot reception where ever he ended up.
That depends.... If you leak stuff to reporters and movie makers and such to make yourself (or your boss) look good - it seems to be "wrong" but not serious enough to be a punishable offense.
Bradley Manning anyone?
I, for one, care about the truth, no matter whom it concerns. Killing bin Laden was without a question a historical event, and the less there is ambiguity about what happened, the less there will be myths and therefore less headache for the future historians having to prove these myths wrong over and over again. It may not be much now, but mere 100 years is a long time for myths be born and start living their own lives. Better try shooting them down now in our own era.
Not having read this book, I don't have an opinion of it. Also I might add that I'm not really losing my sleep over what they did to Osama. But I consider it a good thing that the official sob story is questioned if there are grounds for questioning it. If there are not, then this will sink as yet another conspiracy theory like that of 9/11 being an insider job. If there are, then yet another official sob story will be burned like that of Katyn. Either way the future history (an oxymoron?) benefits.
There will be conspiracy theories anyway. I'm sure the Al' Queda team have a number of theories of their own. No amount of facts will stop idiots believing what they want.
Hottentot
08-30-12, 01:55 AM
No amount of facts will stop idiots believing what they want.
Sadly true. That still doesn't mean the facts shouldn't be uncovered, and again, I emphasize, if there are grounds for it. No doubt there are still also those who believe that Katyn massacre was done by the nazis, but supporting a lie by a government is no better than supporting any other lie. Making people feel better is not what history should be about.
Takeda Shingen
08-30-12, 02:06 AM
This SEAL obviously does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question
:O::D
Whatever he have done, he HAD the right to a fair trail.(thereafter we eliminater him)
As a journalist wrote after his dead, now those 9/11 believes got new blood-why did they kill him, why didn't they captured him alive a.s.o
I guess, now that it have been "revealed" that he was unarmed, when he was killed, those truther got really good stuff to use in their debate.
I'm not 100 % truther but even I wunder why they had to kill him and not giving him the right to a fair trail.
Markus
For the truthers to use this in any way, they would have to get the basics of 9/11
right first, something they have failed to do for almost 11 years now. :O:
HunterICX
08-30-12, 06:00 AM
^Here we go again! :nope:
HunterICX
Jimbuna
08-30-12, 06:15 AM
In a country known to harbour armed terrorists, in a house where armed terrorists were believed to be, climbing stairs in pitch black conditions, hearing two gunshots, seeing a man peeking out of a door and suspecting it was possibly the worlds most wanted....
I'd say they had sufficient cause given all the circumstances.
Far better than the alternative scenario of a group of soldiers being gunned down or killed in a booby trapped house.
CaptainHaplo
08-30-12, 08:07 AM
Look, we all know the Annointed One used his awesomeness to transport himself astrally (or was etherally?) to the room, disable any weapons the bad guys had, then asked the Seal's to provide him with a firearm (I hear he even - under intense pressure in a highly stressful situation - said "please"). He then turned to Bin Laden, shifted the local area of time and space into the Matrix, fired and then recited the names (from memory) of each 9/11 victim to Bin Laden as he was forced to watch his death coming as the bullet approached.
At that point, he returned the weapon to the Seal (thanking them each by name), gave them each their instructions to not mention his amazing abilities, then faded away before their eyes as he returned to Washington - just in time for a quick basketball game (he didn't even break a sweat) before addressing the nation to share the good news.
Even more astounding - he never messed up his immaculately pressed suit.
How dare one of those lowly peon soldiers dare to contradict the "official" version. Ungrateful so and so!
Ducimus
08-30-12, 10:24 AM
All I have to say is I really "love" the way the press exposed the writer's true identity. The guy was writing under a psudeo name for a reason. Thanks to the press, they may have endangered him and his family.
(insert plehtora of colorful nouns here)
Hottentot
08-30-12, 10:42 AM
All I have to say is I really "love" the way the press exposed the writer's true identity.
Yeah, that's exactly what I though too when I originally read this on a Finnish paper. It literally was like: "The author uses pseudonym blahblahblah, but his real name is confirmed to be yadayadayada." It's the first time I remember such case of a pseudonym being made useless already when it's published the first time. Sort of defeats the purpose.
Would be interesting to know how they figured it out so quickly. If I'm not completely mistaken, usually the names of the personnel participating in operations like this are classified in the first place? I wouldn't put it past the author of a book like this to have his loose lips work against him.
Bilge_Rat
08-30-12, 10:56 AM
Whatever he have done, he HAD the right to a fair trail.(thereafter we eliminater him)
As a journalist wrote after his dead, now those 9/11 believes got new blood-why did they kill him, why didn't they captured him alive a.s.o
I guess, now that it have been "revealed" that he was unarmed, when he was killed, those truther got really good stuff to use in their debate.
I'm not 100 % truther but even I wunder why they had to kill him and not giving him the right to a fair trail.
Markus
It think it was pretty obvious, even under the "official" version, that the SEAL's mission was to terminate him with extreme prejudice. There was never any intention of taking him alive and that is fine by me.
Osmium Steele
08-30-12, 11:03 AM
How's this for a conspiracy theory?
Pakistan's Foreign Minister makes a surprise visit to the White House, meets behind closed doors with administration and Pentagon officials, and flies home.
A couple weeks later, the raid goes down, "without Pakistan's knowledge or permission".
As a former ISI operative told me on my recent travels, paraphrasing as my Urdu sux,
"Does your country really think the world's most wanted terrorist, decades on the run, with tons of opsec experience, stayed in one place for that long, with no guards around him?"
I had to admit, I do not. I'm still convinced Bin Laden died in Tora Bora.
When I told him, he just smiled, nodded and poured us another cup of tea.
There are absolutly no weird or conspiracy about his death.
It's not more than an hour ago, that I heard following on the danish CNN(TV2News) that after he "was killed some of the other guys went into the bedrum and shot him several times at close range"
When they said that, I remembered how The romanian dictator was killed.
He got a trail-was sentence to death, but they how was ordered to do the job, couldn't wait, due to the deep hate towards the former dictator.
I think it's the same here -Hate, deep hate against a terrorist that have done some terrible things against USA and it's friends.
SO! There's nothing weird about his death.
BASTA
Markus
mookiemookie
08-30-12, 12:50 PM
I don't get all the hemming and hawing over this. The bastard's dead. Good. I don't care if Osama had a gun, he didn't have a gun, he invited the SEALs in for tea or he plead for his life on his knees. He deserved nothing more than what he got.
This guy's just trying to cash in on the fact that he's got a bit of inside info on the raid, integrity be damned. Shameful.
Takeda Shingen
08-30-12, 01:05 PM
I don't get all the hemming and hawing over this. The bastard's dead. Good. I don't care if Osama had a gun, he didn't have a gun, he invited the SEALs in for tea or he plead for his life on his knees. He deserved nothing more than what he got.
This guy's just trying to cash in on the fact that he's got a bit of inside info on the raid, integrity be damned. Shameful.
To me, it seems that the angst comes from two groups:
1. Conspiracy theorists who thrive on this kind of stuff. No amount of proof will ever satiate their need to see themselves as part of something bigger. See the Truther movement.
2. Team R true believers that are still butthurt over 2008. The fact that bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch only adds to their frustration.
As for the 'author' (he no doubt had a ghostwriter) of this book, I'd say that you're right; he wants to cash in on his involvement. Military service does not render one immune to greed.
Hottentot
08-30-12, 01:22 PM
And Gaddafi died from wounds he got in a firefight.
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