Umm, wow. Seriously? Really?

[Ducimus]

Texas judge warns of civil war if Obama is re-elected
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/texas-judge-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

-Tom Head is the elected county judge and emergency coordinator for Lubbock, Texas
-He says Obama will try to give U.S. sovereignty away to the U.N.
-Head says seasoned, veteran fighters will be needed
-The warning was linked to a push for taxes, CNN affiliate KJTV reported

Head said, "regardless of whether the Republicans take over the Senate, which I hope they do, he is going to make the United States Congress and he's going to make the Constitution irrelevant. He's got his czars in place that don't answer to anybody."

Obama, Head said, will "try to give the sovereignty of the United States away to the United Nations. What do you think the public's going to do when that happens? We are talking civil unrest, civil disobedience, possibly, possibly civil war ... I'm not talking just talking riots here and there. I'm talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms, get rid of the dictator. OK, what do you think he is going to do when that happens? He is going to call in the U.N. troops, personnel carriers, tanks and whatever."

Head vowed to personally stand "in front of their personnel carriers and say, 'You're not coming in here.' And I've asked the sheriff. I said, 'Are you going to back me on this?' And he said, 'Yeah, I'm going to back you.' Well, I don't want a bunch of rookies back there who have no training and little equipment. I want seasoned veteran people who are trained that have got equipment. And even then, you know we may have two or three hundred deputies facing maybe a thousand U.N. troops. We may have to call out the militia."

This is so far out there, i couldn't bring myself to read the whole thing. I stopped there.

[Rilder]

Lubbock? Every single thing I've heard about that place is bad, I've come to think of it as a wretched hive of scum and villainy. :hmmm:

[Spoon 11th]

TLDR. Superbly informative topic title.

[August]

This is as stupid as when the Moonbats claimed Bush and Darth Cheney would do the same thing. I guess both sides have their share of them.

[Oberon]

Some days I ponder if some people in the US actually want another civil war.

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1232550426_worf%20face%20palm.gif

[Takeda Shingen]

Lubbock? Every single thing I've heard about that place is bad, I've come to think of it as a wretched hive of scum and villainy. :hmmm:

Ouch. I have family there.

[August]

Some days I ponder if some people in the US actually want another civil war.

It sure sounds like this guy does... :yep:

[RHR]

Politics ............. Successfully killing soldiers for 1000's of years.:hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

Hmm. Doesn't look like the sheriff is backing him up.

Sheriff Kelly Rowe told KJTV there had been no conversation about such a civil war scenario. The two have discussed contingencies for emergency management, he said.

And it appears that Head was pissed off about tax increases which were, ironically, aimed at increased funding for law enforcement. It also seems that the public and the county commissioner aren't crazy about the statement.

County Commissioner Gilbert Flores told KJTV he was "ashamed" of Head's remarks, and told the judge, "I think you better plan to go fishing pretty soon."

Attorney Rod Hobson jokingly put up U.N. flags outside his Lubbock office, KJTV reported. "When I saw the story I thought, once again, Lubbock is going to be the laughingstock of the entire nation," said Hobson. "What makes it so sad is he is our elected county judge, who is in charge of a multi-million dollar budget. That is scary. It's like the light's on, but no one is home... I'd just like to think he's off his meds."

Seems like another of those 'freak show' stories to me, and not indicative of general sentiment.

[Tribesman]

It was a typo, his name isn't Tom it is Richard.

[eddie]

What he said reminded me of what Alan Keyes believes, this guy is a real loony bin candidate!

http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/alan-keyes-militia-letter/

[u crank]

It was a typo, his name isn't Tom it is Richard.

Took awhile, but the light finally came on. :har:

[kiwi_2005]

Today no democrat dies! Give them nothing but take from them everything!!!

Remeber this day men for it will be yours for all time!

:D
http://i49.tinypic.com/5l2f6u.jpg

[darius359au]

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6182/doublefacepalmx.jpg

[mookiemookie]

I hate this state sometimes.

[Onkel Neal]

Hey hey--those kind of idiots can be found everywhere.:shifty:

[Gargamel]

Hey hey--those kind of idiots can be found everywhere.:shifty:

But they tend to congregate in certain southern states.

[Oberon]

Takes two to tango though, there's some left-wing nutters just as fruitloopy as the right-wingers.

[eddie]

You got that right Oberon!

[Stealhead]

Wasn't Buddy Holly from Lubbock?

I heard a little about this "judge" they asked the Sheriff if what the judge claims him to have was true the Sheriff said that the only thing they discussed was regular plans for things like storms and other natural disasters.He said that he never had a discussion with the judge about a civil war.

Sounds to me like a complete nutcase and the man is a judge.I heard some place that a judge was caught with sexual toys that he hid on himself and then
"handled" out of sight during actual trials.I am not sure which judge is more scary the civil war judge or toy judge.

Every state has its fair share of wingnuts.I try to ignore the negative aspects/people of my state and focus on the positive.

[Aramike]

Anyone here that knows me probably knows that I like to play devil's advocate, so here goes...

While I think this judge is off his rocker a wee bit, I'm curious as to why everyone is so dismissive of the idea?

I'll admit that my initial reaction to this story was the same as everyone else's, but then I recalled thousands of years of the history of human civilization. Like it or not, the odds are probably more against us NOT having another civil war than otherwise. We have always been a divided nation; this is nothing new. However, we are still a young nation, and historically ideological conflicts tend to boil over.

Indeed, I don't believe that President Obama being reelected will cause a civil war. But, I do believe that such a conflict is possible, if not probably. We'd love to believe that our union is everlasting, but history suggests otherwise.

Can we beat the odds? I hope so. Still, I can't ignore history. So maybe this judge is a moonbat. But still, history seems to suggest that SOMETHING will set us off. Why not this?

[HunterICX]

Hey hey--those kind of idiots can be found everywhere.:shifty:

But wasn't it that in Texas everything is bigger :O:

HunterICX

[Tribesman]

While I think this judge is off his rocker a wee bit, I'm curious as to why everyone is so dismissive of the idea?

A wee bit????????
Everyone is dismissive of the idea as the judge is a raving loony.
Now some of his lunacy has been posted here before by crazy birthers NWO freaks and people who believe in Obama secret armies of nazi dentists or Fema death camps.
They get dismissed just as simply as the judge because their views make no sense

If you want to play devils advocate then deal with what the judge said and argue his position not some mythical sideline, unless of course you want to make an arguement that the vatican is going to erupt into civil war at some time in the possible future because well...civil wars do happen so it must be a possibility which means this judge isn't quite so fruity and the swiss guard had better get themselves aligned.

[mookiemookie]

Hey hey--those kind of idiots can be found everywhere.:shifty:

True, but I read these headlines and my first instinct is "Please be Mississippi or Florida, please be Mississippi or Florida..." and 2/3s of the time, I'm relieved. But it's that 1/3 of the time...

You try and try and convince people that this state's a pretty good place to live, all in all, but then you get some balloonhead like this guy and then all the stereotypes come back.


If you want to play devils advocate then deal with what the judge said and argue his position not some mythical sideline, unless of course you want to make an arguement that the vatican is going to erupt into civil war at some time in the possible future because well...civil wars do happen so it must be a possibility which means this judge isn't quite so fruity and the swiss guard had better get themselves aligned.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[flatsixes]

"Please be Mississippi or Florida, please be Mississippi or Florida..."
That what they say in Alabama during hurricane season.

You Texans correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a "County Judge" in Texas more akin to a county administrator than a jurist? What I mean is, this fellow's position is more like that of a county supervisor/justice of the peace, right? He doesn't wear a black robe and sit in judgement of others, right? He doesn't interpret the law or mete out justice, right? Please tell me I'm right.
Please.

[mookiemookie]

The Texas Constitution vests broad judicial and administrative powers in the position of county judge, who presides over a five-member commissioners court, which has budgetary and administrative authority over county government operations.

The county judge handles such widely varying matters as hearings for beer and wine license applications, hearing on admittance to state hospitals for the mentally ill and mentally retarded, juvenile work permits and temporary guardianships for special purposes. The judge is also responsible for calling elections, posting election notices and for receiving and canvassing the election returns. The county judge may perform marriages.

A county judge in Texas may have judicial responsibility for certain criminal, civil and probate matters - responsibility for these functions vary from county to county. In those counties in which the judge has judicial responsibilities, the judge has appellate jurisdiction over matters arising from the justice courts. The county judge is also head of civil defense and disaster relief, county welfare and in counties under 225,000 population, the judge prepares the county budget along with the county auditor or county clerk.

http://www.county.org/counties/desc_office/judge.asp

[flatsixes]

Oy. Well, at least he can admit himself into a psychiatric hospital.

[Onkel Neal]

But they tend to congregate in certain southern states.

Show me some factual evidence.

True, but I read these headlines and my first instinct is "Please be Mississippi or Florida, please be Mississippi or Florida..." and 2/3s of the time, I'm relieved. But it's that 1/3 of the time...

You try and try and convince people that this state's a pretty good place to live, all in all, but then you get some balloonhead like this guy and then all the stereotypes come back.


Well, no one put a gun to your head and said you had to live here. :)
At least, now we know that stereotypes are always true.
I don't try to convince that Texas is a good place to live for anyone, except myself.

[flatsixes]

I'm what Virginians call a "come here:" which is a polite way of saying I'm a Yankee transplant. Been here 30 years, but as soon as I ask for "a cuppa cawfee" that big red "NY" appears on my forehead again. Being a product of these two cultures, I can't but help notice how the South is portrayed in the predominantly northern-centric media as being populated by quaint eccentrics, frequently charming, occasionally disturbing, and (seemingly) wholly baffling. The material for any national story seems ready-made to appeal to a northern audience: Just listen to the difference in their accents! See what they cook for dinner! Get a load of their attitudes towards guns and religion! They'll even say 'Yes M'am!' right on TV! How quaint!"

Well... they have a point. There ain't nothing "quaint" about New York City. But so much the worse for them. But when some bozo pops up in the South (and I will include Texas in that fold) and starts shooting his mouth off about the end of times, it's "newsworthy" to the North, not so much because of what's being said, but because who's saying it. How many stories have you read about Charles Barron, a former Black Panther and Brooklyn City Councilman? The guy is shot from guns - spouts off the most ridiculous nonsense - but his is just a local story. He isn't "quaint" enough to ridicule.

Eh, what do I know. I'm sure I carry my own biases around, and I dearly love my old home town. But I grow weary of the ignorance so gleefully displayed by the folks wielding the national megaphone. All my children are Virginians. And God bless them.

[Takeda Shingen]

Anyone here that knows me probably knows that I like to play devil's advocate, so here goes...

While I think this judge is off his rocker a wee bit, I'm curious as to why everyone is so dismissive of the idea?

I'll admit that my initial reaction to this story was the same as everyone else's, but then I recalled thousands of years of the history of human civilization. Like it or not, the odds are probably more against us NOT having another civil war than otherwise. We have always been a divided nation; this is nothing new. However, we are still a young nation, and historically ideological conflicts tend to boil over.

Indeed, I don't believe that President Obama being reelected will cause a civil war. But, I do believe that such a conflict is possible, if not probably. We'd love to believe that our union is everlasting, but history suggests otherwise.

Can we beat the odds? I hope so. Still, I can't ignore history. So maybe this judge is a moonbat. But still, history seems to suggest that SOMETHING will set us off. Why not this?

I agree with that. We have this quaint, as the word was thrown around, notion that our modern nation states are somehow things of permanence. People point to the nations like the 1000 year old Britian and the 3000 year old China as examples. The truth is that each of those nations existed in a multitude of different governances and styles of government and were wroght with various civil wars and wars of succession. They blew themselves apart and reformed themselves into something different; much like nature's cycle of death and new life. Sometimes they didn't reform themselves at all, or were absorbed into another state. The likelyhood that something of that sort will occur again in the United States is so high as to almost be a certainty.

[CCIP]

I agree with that. We have this quaint, as the word was thrown around, notion that our modern nation states are somehow things of permanence. People point to the nations like the 1000 year old Britian and the 3000 year old China as examples. The truth is that each of those nations existed in a multitude of different governances and styles of government and were wroght with various civil wars and wars of succession. They blew themselves apart and reformed themselves into something different; much like nature's cycle of death and new life. Sometimes they didn't reform themselves at all, or were absorbed into another state. The likelyhood that something of that sort will occur again in the United States is so high as to almost be a certainty.

Yep, and in some sense the US is blessed to be as stable as it has been. There is very little living memory of uncertainty and social collapse in the US, and while most people know it can happen, it's not an immediate reality for most people living there. So that does give many a somewhat naive perspective, and I don't mean that as an insult - just as a suggestion that for most, something like a revolution is so surreal that they can't even picture it as anything other than a bad movie plot. Then compare this to, for example, people from Eastern Europe. There's some massive changes in their recent memory. For me, having lived through the collapse of the communist system is really a bit of an eye-opener. Things can and do change violently, for better or/and worse. The good news is that even massive changes aren't all people cut them out to be. In these cycles of social and political change, people who have little personal experience of them tend to see something apocalyptic. In reality, stuff happens, life goes on. Instead of panicking and stocking guns, I think people need to be more open-minded and proactive about changes they see happening around them, especially if they live in a society where it's their right (and even obligation) to do something about their own civic circumstances.

[August]

Anyone here that knows me probably knows that I like to play devil's advocate, so here goes...

While I think this judge is off his rocker a wee bit, I'm curious as to why everyone is so dismissive of the idea?

I think the main reason is because the good judge isn't preparing for some potential long term danger but rather his plans are against a specific person in the very near future. To say that if he's reelected the President, is going to use UN troops against the residents of North Central Texas just begs for dismissal as the wishful thinking of a disturbed individual.

[Blacklight]

The funny thing is that you never hear this kind of crazy from the Left side. It's 99.99% of the time from the Right. The Republican's have gone so far to the Right that crazy seems to be the new norm. And I'm not even going to get started on the Tea Party.

[CCIP]

The funny thing is that you never hear this kind of crazy from the Left side. It's 99.99% of the time from the Right. The Republican's have gone so far to the Right that crazy seems to be the new norm. And I'm not even going to get started on the Tea Party.

Nah, I wouldn't go that far. I think there's a very loud, obnoxious media tradition in the US that gives a particularly prominent voice to that sort of right-wing crazy, but there's lots of the same from the other side. It tends not to make the news as much, but there's some places where it's blatantly apparent. There are some legitimately extreme Marxists, anarchists, radical feminists etc. out there who are no less vocal. I've bumped into them no less than the right. And I say that even as someone who's well on the left side of things myself.

[Takeda Shingen]

There are some legitimately extreme Marxists, anarchists, radical feminists etc.

I would add Greenpeace and the 'free Mumia' crowd to that list.

[Jimbuna]

Lubbock? Every single thing I've heard about that place is bad, I've come to think of it as a wretched hive of scum and villainy. :hmmm:

Probably been like that since Kpt Lehmann moved there a little over a year ago :O:

[Ducimus]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=132&pictureid=802

It's one thing to read it, it's another to hear it.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2012/08/24/ac-bts-lavandera-judge-civil-war-outrage.cnn

I really didn't hear an elected official say these things did i? :damn:

[Oberon]

On the upside, the Civil War did bring out some fantastic songs, like "When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkVfZkLOZM8

It's a good marching song, I have it on my MP3 player along with The British Grenadiers, both are good for getting into a nice stride.

[Tchocky]

On the upside, the Civil War did bring out some fantastic songs, like "When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkVfZkLOZM8

It's a good marching song

Sure is :D:D:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIh7UPvHxAk

[Oberon]

When you compare it to the music of our civil war:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN55RceP41c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYUz31i_Go

[flatsixes]

Awwwww... How quaint! :D

[Tribesman]

When you compare it to the music of our civil war:
But you've had so many.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v3qM24EwVI&feature=related

[Onkel Neal]

Well, no one put a gun to your head and said you had to live here. :)
At least, now we know that stereotypes are always true.
I don't try to convince that Texas is a good place to live for anyone, except myself.

I'm sorry, Mookie. I was thinking about my remarks today while at work, I didn't mean to come off so rude. Please stay in Texas, we need people to counterbalance guys like this nutty judge. :shucks:


Yep, and in some sense the US is blessed to be as stable as it has been. There is very little living memory of uncertainty and social collapse in the US, and while most people know it can happen, it's not an immediate reality for most people living there. So that does give many a somewhat naive perspective, and I don't mean that as an insult - just as a suggestion that for most, something like a revolution is so surreal that they can't even picture it as anything other than a bad movie plot. Then compare this to, for example, people from Eastern Europe. There's some massive changes in their recent memory. For me, having lived through the collapse of the communist system is really a bit of an eye-opener. Things can and do change violently, for better or/and worse. The good news is that even massive changes aren't all people cut them out to be. In these cycles of social and political change, people who have little personal experience of them tend to see something apocalyptic. In reality, stuff happens, life goes on. Instead of panicking and stocking guns, I think people need to be more open-minded and proactive about changes they see happening around them, especially if they live in a society where it's their right (and even obligation) to do something about their own civic circumstances.

I think that's true in large parts. Social stabilty is hard to gauge. I'm sure the States weren't really expect the Civil War to be what it ended up being, when they were pulling the country apart over slavery in the decades before 1861. Same with WWI: until armies began mobilizing, I bet most people just did not think a war on that scale was possible. Just look at 9/11: how many of us really paid any attention to Al Quiada? It only takes a spark to set off dynamite.

[Tribesman]

I'm sorry, Mookie. I was thinking about my remarks today while at work, I didn't mean to come off so rude. Please stay in Texas, we need people to counterbalance guys like this nutty judge
That is one harsh rebuke

[Onkel Neal]

I'm gonna change your avatar to a bronie.

[Tribesman]

Would that be a harsh rebuke? worse than Bangcock?

[Onkel Neal]

Bangcock goes away, eventually :O:

[Tribesman]

Bangcock goes away, eventually :O:
Not like another British civil war for Oberon
This time in technicolor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBNgi2XYQMw&feature=related

Can I start on the third kingdom yet or should I go backto the sons of glendower?
Civil wars they keep on giving

[Tribesman]

A change of theme
I had plenty of run ins with the greenjackets squaddies years back, but heres a song that delivers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgCVgBnUe2c&feature=related

[Aramike]

Couldn't have said it better myself.Oh yeah, you and Tribesman got it right - we should all just sit around typing agreement with one another.

Makes for wonderful, intellectually stimulating conversation. :know:

[Aramike]

I think the main reason is because the good judge isn't preparing for some potential long term danger but rather his plans are against a specific person in the very near future. To say that if he's reelected the President, is going to use UN troops against the residents of North Central Texas just begs for dismissal as the wishful thinking of a disturbed individual.While I'm inclined to agree, I have to repeat - odds are that SOMETHING will set SOMETHING off at SOME point. So why not this?

Now I'm not saying, or even implying, that this judge is speaking of anything that is even remotely likely. What I AM saying is that, after we all high-five, dance, and pronounce the judge a moonbat we consider the possibilities of what could set such disastrous events in motion.

It's more fun that way. :cool:

[Tribesman]

Oh yeah, you and Tribesman got it right - we should all just sit around typing agreement with one another.

Makes for wonderful, intellectually stimulating conversation. :know:
There is no intellectual stimulation from what you put down:doh:
If you wanted to stimulate the intellect as a devils advocate then you should at least approach the topic in question not go off on some vague irrelevance.

loony talks rubbish.....errrrr.....on his side though civil wars do happen.

loony is still talking rubbish and you havn't gone near it:know:

lets try some stimulation in your flavour.

loony talks rubbish......errrrr......on his side though there is a thing called the UN and errrrr......America does have a President and errrr....there do be election thingies
Not saying he is right like, but you see he does have a point and you people are too easily dismissing it as elections do happen and it would be shocking for people to think otherwise.

While I'm inclined to agree, I have to repeat - odds are that SOMETHING will set SOMETHING off at SOME point. So why not this?

:rolleyes:Why not this??????
Because it makes no sense, that is why not this.

[Oberon]

Right, that does it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc2c7P7FqyQ

:O::O::O::O::O:


DICKON WAS INNOCENT!!!

[mapuc]

"Offtopic"

Neal's new punishment, when you break a rule several times

You don't get brigged, you get a brownie as your personal avartar

Markus

[Oberon]

"Offtopic"

Neal's new punishment, when you break a rule several times

You don't get brigged, you get a brownie as your personal avartar

Markus

Delicious punishment:

http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1223/images/1223_MEDIUM.jpg

[mookiemookie]

I'm sorry, Mookie. I was thinking about my remarks today while at work, I didn't mean to come off so rude. Please stay in Texas, we need people to counterbalance guys like this nutty judge. :shucks:


I've got pretty thick skin. No problems at all. :yeah:

Oh yeah, you and Tribesman got it right - we should all just sit around typing agreement with one another.

Makes for wonderful, intellectually stimulating conversation. :know: Aww, somebody's a widdle bit testy! :Kaleun_Crying:

[u crank]

Bronies. Brownies. Is there a difference? :D

[Oberon]

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9002/tsmq9.jpg

[mapuc]

:har::har::har:

When I wrote the post I was somehow in doubt

Was it brownies or something else, but somehow alike.
Later on after I had shut down my computer I found out that it's bronies

Markus