who still likes SH4

[Greekgod]

Look guys I know SH5 and SHO is coming out but seriously. :hmm2: there is no reason to back down Silent hunter 4 when it was a good game to begin with already.

I Just to say Im still a fan of Sh4 because the fires in Sh5 is a bit uncalled for not realistic at all.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Asking in the 4 forum will probably get you the answer you're looking for, but not from me, didn't like it even with U-boats added or any mods. I realise that here I'm likely to be a lone, but honest, voice. : salute:

[Sailor Steve]

As Herr-Berbunch said, all you have to do is look around to see that many people still play SH4, and many more still play SH3. Your poll has too many variables for me to vote in it, but

WELCOME ABOARD! :sunny:

[nikimcbee]

What's SH V?

[razark]

What's SH V?
It was a proposed u-boat simulator. I think they scrapped it and went with some other project instead.

[troopie]

It was a proposed u-boat simulator. I think they scrapped it and went with some other project instead.

Yeah, it was called 'SHO' I think! :D

[Webster]

It was a proposed u-boat simulator. I think they scrapped it and went with some other project instead.


dont you have to put a quarter in the slot to play that sh5 game? :hmmm:

as steve mentioned, you have way to many random questions on your list and most are not even choices so i dont see anything to vote on either

IMO this is the wrong forum to be asking this question because obviously anyone in this forum is playing sh4. your post should have been in the sh5 forum if you want to know what sh5 players think about sh4

[Herr-Berbunch]

:har:

Sorry, I was using Tapatalk on my phone so didn't get to see the poll before I replied above.

Now the other replies all make sense. How can 'What are your opinions on this?' be answered by voting for it? :doh:

[Rockin Robbins]

I don't even know how to read the poll! It makes no sense whatever. "What do we think should happen?" Then a list of nonsensical option. I can't answer this poll at all.

I like SH4 a lot. It fixed the save game issue with SH3 that kept me from playing it in career mode. I feel much better playing as the Americans than I do playing as the Germans in a simulator that had zero credibility. After all, the indispensible aspect of the German submarine war was the wolfpack and in SH3 you are the only U-Boat in the universe. U-Boats without wolfpacks is as realistic as American submarines in the Mojave desert.

I also liked the aspect that very little is known publically about the American submarine war, while the U-Boat war has been utterly sainted and deified as if it were some kind of great noble cause. So both sides have been utterly distorted, one by mere omission and the other by hagiography.

I love the atmosphere in SH3, much superior to the bright colors and high contrast SH4 world. I don't care at all that the SH4 world is actually more realistic, the SH3 world just feels authentic.

But it comes down to the fact that I learned a lot from SH4 and comparitively less playing SH3. Its omission of the central unifying fact of the U-Boat war was just too glaring for the rest of the game to stand on its own. With SH4 you are on your own just as American boats were fought.

[nikimcbee]

I also liked the aspect that very little is known publically about the American submarine war, while the U-Boat war has been utterly sainted and deified as if it were some kind of great noble cause. So both sides have been utterly distorted, one by mere omission and the other by hagiography.


I think that is a great point. I think it's interesting to read about the u-boat war from a merchant sailor's point of view. It's not so glamo(u)rous. Swimming in oil, being in a life raft for days after being horribly burned. Then there's the civilian casualties:nope:. I can only read so much about mothers who drown, cluching their drown baby. (See Lustitana)

[aanker]

Welcome Aboard - - I think I understood your question.

Yes, I like SH4 because the graphics are better than SH1, Silent Hunter Commanders Edition, and a few other features. SHCE is better than SH4 in other ways, so I enjoy both.

I only play the US submarines in SH4, mostly in the Pacific. I don't want to play the U-Boats or damage any Allied pixels.... lol

I don't care what anyone else does and signed some page here expressing that we all liked Submarines - no matter what nation they represented.

Unless SHO has US boats and Axis targets, I'm not interested. Even if they did I'm not excited about playing online. I enjoy the solitude of playing SH alone and like having the files on my computer. I realize Online is probably the future but I don't play First Person Shooters.

That answers your questions.

Happy Hunting!

[A Hidden Soul]

I still play SH4 I in fact I have a facebook page and youtube account for my experiences and journeys.

Check it out if you wish.

http://www.facebook.com/SilentHunterIvOhioClass

[tomoose]

Your poll doesn't make much sense with the various options but anyhow......

SHO, to me, seems to be an attempt by UBI to recoup the expected revenue from SH5 (which obviously wasn't the "blockbuster" they were hoping for). I think it's also partly pandering to the 'console' crowd.

SH4 with the fantastic mods is the only Pacific oriented sub game out there. Sure it has some remaining warts but it is a thoroughly enjoyable and immersive game and is a good effort at trying to simulate the US submarine campaign in the Pacific

SH3, again IMHO, with the supermods is still an excellent U-boat-oriented game (older graphics and missing wolfpacks notwithstanding). SH3 also seems to do a good job of emulating the increasing difficulty for the U-Boat with the improved Allied countermeasures. So I've seen no reason to move to SHO or SH5.

I still believe that if the devs had just fixed/improved SH4 instead of re-inventing the wheel with SH5 they would have been much further ahead but that is water under the bridge.

Having said all that it's still only my opinion, I know there are plenty who would disagree with me.
:salute:

[aanker]

I still believe that if the devs had just fixed/improved SH4 instead of re-inventing the wheel with SH5 they would have been much further ahead but that is water under the bridge.

Having said all that it's still only my opinion, I know there are plenty who would disagree with me.
:salute:
I concur 100%.

SH4 just needs a little fixing - 360 degrees in a circle etc

[Rockin Robbins]

SH4 also needs a complete integration of the U-Boat war, not just a band aid add-on. There is absolutely no reason why a single game cannot have ALL of SH3 plus SH4 plus fixes incorporated, like a spherical earth, completely rewritten targeting system to give you an authentic maneuvering board along with more authentic navigation.

It should incorporate the tools the real submariners used in their work, bearing rate tables, stadimeter plots, the entire shebang from the Submarine Torpedo Fire Control Manual, is-was, sextant, more TDC functions.

All this code should be carefully documented so that no fiasco like SH4, where a new dev team was assembled to build on SH3 but discovered that to them, SH3 was just an assembly of incomprehensible black boxes. So they used the black boxes they didn't understand and screwed up lots of things that actually worked right in SH3 but are nerfed in SH4 due to incompetence.

Then Ubi flat out lied to us, telling us that SH4 was brought to us by the same crack team that developed SH3. WRONG!

The drink coaster method of game producing must die. Disbanding dev teams who hit a home run and replacing them with poor draft picks for the sequel is always going to have the same very predictable result. Dev teams must stay together to use what they learned to improve the game.

Then versions have to die. Why is there a SH3 and SH4? It's because they are drink coasters, worth nothing a month after they are released to the market. There should only be Silent Hunter, a continuously evolving and improving game, using all the good stuff they have ever developed and fixing once and for all every bug they developed. It should be updated weekly or monthly and the update released to all who subscribe. Yes, subscribe. And the subscription price should be less than the cost of buying all the drink coasters upon release.

People should pay Ubi or whoever wants to do the job right to make a great simulation that works better and better, not to produce a drink coaster, walk away and then say "we have a NEW drink coaster! TRUST US this time. We won't screw the pooch like last time." That game is very old. I'll never own SH5 or any future drink coaster that pretends to be the next big thing in submarine simulation until people I respect act as guinea pigs and say it's what we've been waiting for. NO MORE SH5s. Ever. When we buy we tell them to kick us again.

I'm done being kicked. I'll gladly buy what I want. Until I see it my money stays securely in my pocket.

SHO is a great experiment. I don't expect it to be a replacement for SH4. If it is a strategy and tactical game of some excellence it will be a step in the right direction. But it will be something other than a submarine simulation as most people on this site define it.

I believe that the most we can hope for SHO is the it opens the door for real progress. Most likely it will just be misinterpreted by Ubi and they will go off on a Sims meets first person shooter popcorn casual game. Hope they're successful but that would mean that we look elsewhere for the simulation we want.

[Webster]

SH4 also needs a complete integration of the U-Boat war, not just a band aid add-on. There is absolutely no reason why a single game cannot have ALL of SH3 plus SH4 plus fixes incorporated, like a spherical earth, completely rewritten targeting system to give you an authentic maneuvering board along with more authentic navigation.

It should incorporate the tools the real submariners used in their work, bearing rate tables, stadimeter plots, the entire shebang from the Submarine Torpedo Fire Control Manual, is-was, sextant, more TDC functions.




with all the 8gb-16gb games you see today there is no reason this couldnt be done, hell the modders did it for them if they just simply used the examples of what the modders showed them needed to be done.

sh4 should have been a game engine update and american uboat expansion along with better grafics, hell all the sh3 files are still in sh4 anyway. if this were done then sh5 wouldnt have even been needed, they could have used there efforts into new game content and a further campaign expansion

[Rockin Robbins]

with all the 8gb-16gb games you see today there is no reason this couldnt be done, hell the modders did it for them if they just simply used the examples of what the modders showed them needed to be done.

sh4 should have been a game engine update and american uboat expansion along with better grafics, hell all the sh3 files are still in sh4 anyway. if this were done then sh5 wouldnt have even been needed, they could have used there efforts into new game content and a further campaign expansion
1000% correct, except that all the SH3 stuff in SH4 is totally screwed up by people who didn't understand what the SH3 devs did. It would take a team of hackers to dissassemble the code, severely scrutinize it, poke it with dirty sharp sticks and figure out how each module works and how it expects to interact with other modules.

This, of course, is nothing that UBI would ever spend the resources to do. If a team from Subsim did, they would be violating every copyright law on the books of several nations. It's just not going to happen anytime soon, unless UBI goes completely broke and dissolves without anybody else picking up rights to the Silent Hunter franchise.

[Armistead]

Shame they won't allow us to open up the code....

[TheDarkWraith]

If a team from Subsim did, they would be violating every copyright law on the books of several nations. It's just not going to happen anytime soon, unless UBI goes completely broke and dissolves without anybody else picking up rights to the Silent Hunter franchise.

You fail to realize there are loop holes for everything :yep: Take a peek over at SH5 Mods Forum - look at my SH5 exe patches to fix bugs and add functionality. I have an app that will patch the exe and act files. It does not violate any copyright rules because I do not release any modified files. I release patch files that my app uses to patch up the end users files. 100% legit and legal because what you do in your own house is your business as long as you don't release it to the public. Having the source code would be much easier but I'm perfectly at home with assembly also.

Let me give you an analogy that proves my point: I own an AR-15. I did a google search for 'how to make AR-15 full auto'. I found a document (plans actually) that show how to make something that you can install in your AR-15 in less than a minute that makes it full auto. Did the author of those plans violate any copyrights or patents? Nope. Freedom of speech, gotta love that American right. I do the same thing - I provide the means, it's up to the end user to decide what to do with those means.

SH5 is a wonderful game. You really should try it patched up and modded :D I just gave SH5 the ability to use independent speed controls for each shaft. More 'improvements' on the way!

Just so this post is relevant to the subject I do not like SH4 - never have. It was supposed to be an improvement over SH3. They failed miserably. I played it 10 mins and then shelved it. It's been collecting dust ever since...

[Herr-Berbunch]

I played it 10 mins and then shelved it. It's been collecting dust ever since...

Sold mine on Amazon. :03: Garish colours gave me headaches.

[Ducimus]

Garish colours gave me headaches.
Post processing filter can be changed to whatever pallet you like.




So.. wee, looks like another "My silent hunter is better then your silent hunter" thing going on. Whatever. But since its out there, ill toss in my 2 cents.

In my opinion.... :shifty:

Silent hunter 4 is the title with the most potential.

1. It's one level of indirection away from SH3. Lets face it, like it or not, SH3 is the yardstick that is being used in this community. Most of the old fart modders cut there teeth there. Racerboy, err i mean The dark Wraith, and myself included. SH3 has the most unbroken features as compared to SH4, and with still more broken features in SH5. The further you get from SH3, the more broken the base game is. Why? Cause ubi reused code. They took SH3, stapled some modifcations onto it, and made SH4. With SH5, they took this thing which was stapled over SH3, and duct taped something onto the top of that. SH5 is two levels in indirection away from the most (comparitively) bug free base. Not to say that SH3 doesnt have its issues. It does. But the more Ubi added onto it, the more issues they introduced. Sh5 inherits ALL the problems of SH4, and SH3, while introducing new issues all it's own.

2. Most options to the end user. SH4 is the only title in the series that has the ability to allow you to explore two different theaters of war, and a whole lot of different submarines to choose from. Basically, its entirely possible to play with every major submarine type the Germans and Americans ever fielded in WW2.

3. Way easier to mod. The fact that its not using a proprietary file format like GR2, and with a well developed swiss army knife of mod tools (S3D), with the lone exception of hardcoded behavior, there isn't a whole lot you can't accomplish in SH4. However, even some hardcoded stuff can be modded if people really wanted to. Exe patch's exist for Sh3 and SH5. Just not SH4, because it's the red headed step child of what is largely a uboat fan site. Uboat fans tend to be purists, and since SH4 isn't a pure uboat game, its the red headed step child of the community.

3. Game manages campaign resources exceptionally well, and the game loads faster then both SH3, and SH5. Personally, I hate staring at load screens.

4. No DRM.

I'm sure if i sat here long enough i could come up with all sorts of reasons why SH4 is the best overall title if you look at the larger picture. It has the most potential, and the majority of it will remained untapped. A lot of people bitch because SH5 wasn't what they wanted. Which was SH3 with better graphics. Much of the same people scoff at SH4 because it's not pure uboat. And I admit, I had my role to play in that back in the "battle of the fanboys" between fleet boat and uboat fans. But the bottom line is people will still sit there and play SH3 until the game is too old to be ran on newer machines because their too set in there ways, and are used to others building the modded game for them. Hell I imagine some years hence people will still be playing SH3 with either GWX or NYGM on a modern equivlant to running and old game in a Dos box when untapped potential is just one SH title higher. But that isn't my problem.


Side note on SH5: I like it a lot, but there's just too many newer problems to fix, too many older problems to fix (again), and this point, i'm done with submarine sims entirely. SH3, 4, and 5 all play the same way. Find, chase sink. Repeat tell tedium sets in. Been there, done that, bought the T shirt, and wore it out.

[Webster]

well said



Been there, done that, bought the T shirt, and wore it out.


:har:

[Rockin Robbins]

4. No DRM.
Well, I hate to bring it up again, but the dowloadable version and the original version were and still are graced with SecuROM, Sony's gift to the world, but sold dearly to the game companies.

With the release of patch 1.4, the DRM was completely removed. Then with the release of SH4UBM, the DRM was back, wearing a brand new suit! Ubi claimed it was gone, but SecuROM was back performing revenge on those who angered Sony.

Every time you start SH4, SecuROM scans your system searching for any process on its blacklist of prohibited software. If it finds one, SH4 will immediatly cease running and you will be confronted with an arcane window explaining that SecuROM has found some kind of program on your machine and an error number. Get rid of the software if you want to run Silent Hunter 4.

Owners of SH4 Gold get off scott free. No DRM of any kind.

There are ways to cloak your machine so SecuROM can't find blacklisted processes. And there are ways to trick SecuROM into running Silent Hunter and then restart the prohibited processes.

[fitzcarraldo]

I agree with Ducimus. SH4 has an unexplored potential. To my taste the graphics are better in SH4 than SH5. It's very interesting the Pacific War and you can participate in historical battles (with RSRDC). SH4 is easy to modding and scripting campaign files. We have a lot of stuff from SH3 working well in SH4 as OM demonstrated. I have SH5 modded (TDW Mods mainly) and I don't like it.

I enjoy playing SH4. It has many flaws but I hope it will be corrected in the future. Maddy with FOTRS 2, CapScurvy with OTC and the superbe Ducimus' TMO 25 are in the right way.

I was a die hard fan of SH3 for many years. Now I´m playing SH4 in PTO, remembering the good old times of SH1, my first subsim.

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo

[fitzcarraldo]

Well, I hate to bring it up again, but the dowloadable version and the original version were and still are graced with SecuROM, Sony's gift to the world, but sold dearly to the game companies.

With the release of patch 1.4, the DRM was completely removed. Then with the release of SH4UBM, the DRM was back, wearing a brand new suit! Ubi claimed it was gone, but SecuROM was back performing revenge on those who angered Sony.

Every time you start SH4, SecuROM scans your system searching for any process on its blacklist of prohibited software. If it finds one, SH4 will immediatly cease running and you will be confronted with an arcane window explaining that SecuROM has found some kind of program on your machine and an error number. Get rid of the software if you want to run Silent Hunter 4.

Owners of SH4 Gold get off scott free. No DRM of any kind.

There are ways to cloak your machine so SecuROM can't find blacklisted processes. And there are ways to trick SecuROM into running Silent Hunter and then restart the prohibited processes.

I have the SH4 1.4 DVD original boxed version and it hasn´t any "securom" (???). Also I have the UBOAT Expansion original (SH4 1.5) and - also - it hasn´t any "securom".

The game run in my W7 machine without problems and without DVD...Perfect!

Regards.

Fitz :salute:

[Sailor Steve]

I have the SH4 1.4 DVD original boxed version and it hasn´t any "securom" (???). Also I have the UBOAT Expansion original (SH4 1.5) and - also - it hasn´t any "securom".

The game run in my W7 machine without problems and without DVD...Perfect!
Mine runs perfectly too. However, if you look on the back of the box, down at the bottom you'll find a tiny yellow box with the message:

"Notice: This game contains technology intended to prevent copying that may conflict with some disc and virtual drives."

That's SecureRom.

Owners of SH4 Gold get off scott free. No DRM of any kind.
My copy of the Gold edition contains the exact same message.

[Ducimus]

The secureRom was deactivated in a later patch. if memory serves correctly, originally you had to have your CD in. After said patch (1.4? or was it with the UBM? ) this was no longer the case.

In other words, yes it did have an active DRM at one point, but it no longer does if you have the latest version. In any event, you don't mess with Uplay at all with SH4.

[Sailor Steve]

The secureRom was deactivated in a later patch. if memory serves correctly, originally you had to have your CD in. After said patch (1.4? or was it with the UBM? ) this was no longer the case.
I'm pretty sure it was 1.4, but since I only use the Gold disc these days I can't say for certain. You could be right about the DRM. The might have not changed the back of the box.

In any event, you don't mess with Uplay at all with SH4.
Another reason to praise SH4. :sunny:

[0rpheus]

Surely the DRM is the least relevant factor by now? Even 5 works perfectly well in offline mode nowadays.

5 is well on its way to being as moddable as 3 or 4 with the work TDW is doing; when new units start being added properly it'll be a new lease of life for 5.

4 is the most 'complete' to me, as I can add one supermod and a few small bits and its ready to go; I play 4 more than 5 at the moment as I don't have time to test new mods as much as I used to. When the time comes that 5 receives a supermod, I've no doubt it'll get equal play time.

But this is all by the by - this 'potential' discussion keeps coming up, and is never really resolved. 3/4/5 preferences aside, everyone seems to agree that more could be done - but few agree on what should be done. What do we want in our subsims? If 3 is as close to 'complete' as it's ever likely to get, 4 is a different theatre entirely and 5 is 3 but with half the features, what should be done to improve things?

TDW's working on 5; 4 already has an excellent (modded) German campaign... what's left to do? And further to that, with all the 'big' modders now out of the game*, who's going to do it?

*though most are still here, still looking, and half the time it almost seems like some of them want a reason to get back into it, but won't admit it... :hmmm::haha::O:

[Ducimus]

Surely the DRM is the least relevant factor by now? Even 5 works perfectly well in offline mode nowadays.

Could have fooled me. I still see Uplay threads in the SH5 forum. People having problems with the update, unable to login, server outage, etc. The old thread that proclaims that Ubisoft removed the DRM is an utter falsehood. Offlinemode like steam now yes. DRM free? No.



5 is well on its way to being as moddable as 3 or 4 with the work TDW is doing; when new units start being added properly it'll be a new lease of life for 5.

Eventually thing's will come in time i'm sure. I just wonder who will be doing them. It may be a long while.


But this is all by the by - this 'potential' discussion keeps coming up, and is never really resolved.

I find the argument valid since SH4 has the ability to play PTO, ATO, and every submarine used in both theaters, as well as make any number of flotillas you like. No other SH title can do this.


3/4/5 preferences aside, everyone seems to agree that more could be done - but few agree on what should be done.

Everyone has their own opinions, and priorities. This is why multiple supermods exist in SH4, and to a lesser extent SH3.

What do we want in our subsims?
The answer to that question will vary greatly depending on who you ask.


4 already has an excellent (modded) German campaign... what's left to do?

While I haven't tried OM, and while I'm sure it's a kick ass campaign, i'm also positive that there's a lot of details that weren't addressed. One man can only do so much, and you can't expect him to do it all. I can think of a bunch of things to address honestly. So many, I'm not sure where to start naming them all. Overall, SH4 is nowhere near complete. Regardless of supermod used, there is many, Many, MANY.... WAY too many that could be done.


And further to that, with all the 'big' modders now out of the game*, who's going to do it?

Some new blood, or someone who gets tired of waiting for things to happen, and says, "screw it, ill do it myself".

[aanker]

It was 1.4 when it was removed and I have no problems with SH4 phoning home to UBI or anywhere else using the SH4 D2D digital download or the D2D 1.5 U-Boats add-on.

( I did purchase the DVD just to have but have never opened it )

Furthermore, I don't use gu.exe that was for checking for updates to start the game, I use sh4.exe because I didn't want SH4 changing any files - especially if enabled with JSGME.

Lastly, I began making an edit years ago to another file, "main.cfg" in the install that enabled possible checks for whatever:

Main.cfg:

[DEVELOPING]
DevDebugEnable=Yes
DevEditEnable=Yes
MiniDump=Yes

Changed to:

[DEVELOPING]
DevDebugEnable=No
DevEditEnable=No
MiniDump=No

This edit probably does nothing - to the best of my knowledge.

.... and just for fun because it is 'on topic':

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=595305#post595305
7/16/2007:
#27
This assumption of "game is finished" is really getting annoying.

Happy Hunting!

[Rockin Robbins]

It was 1.4 when it was removed and I have no problems with SH4 phoning home to UBI or anywhere else using the SH4 D2D digital download or the D2D 1.5 U-Boats add-on.

No it doesn't phone home, just refuses to run if a prohibited process is found. Go to the Microsoft website and look for Process Explorer, a task manager replacement, having nothing whatever to do with defeating copy protection. After you install it and run it SH4 will refuse to run if you have the D2D download version.

Furthermore, I don't use gu.exe that was for checking for updates to start the game, I use sh4.exe because I didn't want SH4 changing any files - especially if enabled with JSGME.

Whoa! Great catch there. That was a game update checker which was never used because there were no updates ever. But it did cause lots of CTDs and other problems with Silent Hunter 4. Ubi advised its bypass a long time ago and I'd completely forgotten about it.

So yes, never run GU.exe. Switch to directly running SH4.exe to prevent lots of problems.

[Dogfish40]

Wow, I really don't understand what I'm voting for on the poll...
Do I still like SH4, Absolutely!! SH4 for me is just as immersive as any of the other games. I play SH4 and 5 right now and I love them both.
This isn't just about U-Boats but I've gone back and read a lot of the patrol reports from the fleet boats and they are scary. The game never really gets there but that is understandable. There a players who love SH3 just as much for the SH3 Commander and GWX mods.
C'mon.... SH4 is still just as fun to mess around the pacific (which I happen to think is a much more interesting place to sail, it's huge, and danger is just around the next strait.
I hope no-one is even thinking about losing any of the forums or threads on this site. Besides, the ships in SH4 are really great looking, and there are many many types.
I've got a pretty nice ASUS laptop, I just did that patch where the exe now sees that I've got 8g of ram instead of 2... The game is playing even better now.
So, I'm playing two campaigns. One in the Atlantic with SH5 and one in the Pacific with SH4. I think both sims are great and I think we should keep 'em all.
Good Hunting :salute:
D40
PS; I really don't understand this poll, if I'm voting a yes or a no, or if "taker" is afirmitive in this case. Can't we just have some yes or no questions. SH5 takers still? Whaaaa?? If I check "What are your opinions on this"... what will happen?
This just doesn't look like a poll. I wish I could vote on it but I don't see a question.

[RHR]

Never been a gamer until i played SH3 and SH4,these games got me hooked and i love both of them,would really hate to see them die in here.

[A Hidden Soul]

Never been a gamer until i played SH3 and SH4,these games got me hooked and i love both of them,would really hate to see them die in here.
I honestly don't see them dieing. Especially SH4 with all the mods and new modders.

[RHR]

Well thats good to know,considering i just got here.:yeah:

[A Hidden Soul]

Well thats good to know,considering i just got here.:yeah:

I'm into modern submarines so I play TMO with the SSBN Ohio-class submarine. I also use the seawolf and Los Angeles. If you're interested give me a PM.

[RHR]

Well sir i will educate myself on those games and i will get back to you,thank you for the offer.

[BigWalleye]

A salute to the RHR! OT, but do they still wear the hackle up North?

[A Hidden Soul]

Well sir i will educate myself on those games and i will get back to you,thank you for the offer.
It's the same game (SH4) just those are mods you can use with the game. See it as an add on perhaps...

TMO makes the game more realistic.

[RHR]

Yes we do still wear the hackle and kilts.

[Shredd27]

I definately want it to stay alive,. At least until someone picks up the torch, comes up with a new and better engine and creates the next generation of Silent Service simulation in the PTO. I am not, nor will I ever be interested in the Atlantic side of things.

[vamac53]

i still like it. i'm not very good at it though. and i wish there was a way to imput my own names of subs to possibly be assigned to like uss barbel 316 or the one i rode 580

[vamac53]

the waves always wash over my scope help. even when i raise it. if i raise too much, i might as well durface and get destroyed. any ideas?

[Carl of Psionics]

the waves always wash over my scope help. even when i raise it. if i raise too much, i might as well surface and get destroyed. any ideas?

Try going up an extra 1 or 2 feet. With u boat add on missions the periscope depths were changed in the American subs. In rough weather, I usually go up an extra couple of feet, you sometimes still get wash over the scope.
:ping:

[Aktungbby]

Carl of Psionics!:Kaleun_Salute:

[Deputy]

I just installed it a few days ago. I remember the horrendous problems it had when it first came out. They pretty much seem to be fixed now. It's reliable and seems to work fine. I'm wondering why the poll was closed. I don't really think there should be a closing date on the poll. People are still playing SH4 today. :03:

[Rockin Robbins]

Other than the fact that the poll is poorly constructed and can yield no useful information, no reason for the poll to be closed at all! Actually, either there is a time limit on the poll, where it closes automatically, or the originator closed the poll.

[TheGreatElector]

I Still like sh4, It's a awesome game.

:Kaleun_Salute: