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eddie
08-16-12, 07:43 PM
Someone in the US Navy is going to get nailed for this!!:doh:

http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsrussian-nuclear-submarine-sails-in-gulf-of-mexico-undetected
Molon Labe
08-16-12, 07:57 PM
In the current geo-political climate, does the USN find it necessary to trail every Russian attack sub out of port? Because that's the only way I see this as being a potential embarrassment at all. And my guess is that we don't feel the need to track them all the time.

So the Russians had a patrol in the Gulf. We patrol in the Barrents all the time.
Gargamel
08-16-12, 09:53 PM
And if you read the rebuttal story on the front page, you'll see why it seemingly is not a big issue.

From what I gathered, it was an alarmist story from a questionable news source.
eddie
08-16-12, 09:54 PM
I don't expect them to track every Russian boat all the time, but when it sits on your doorstep for a month undetected, I wouldn't think it would be too much to ask the Defense Dept to do a better job of watching them, especially that close to home.

Hadn't seen the Forbes article until now, sorry for bringing it up.
Catfish
08-17-12, 02:27 AM
A russian sub in international waters ! Who would have thunk ! :D

Didn't the russian navy even partake in NATO exercises ? Should we fire NATO's high brass ?

Apart from that we all know the US does that and worse since the cold war, from photographing russian subs in their home bases to following experimental russian subs photographing them while sailing rings around them.
Sure, after the Volvo-Toshiba thingie the Russians are now able to build better/stealthier subs, but this article is so blown out of proportion lol
XabbaRus
08-17-12, 03:12 AM
I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs.
sidslotm
08-17-12, 04:37 AM
I can't help but believe this was a behind the scenes agreed test of some kind. From what I remember the American Navy could not detect the Gotland Submarine either.
Skybird
08-17-12, 05:45 AM
I can't help but believe this was a behind the scenes agreed test of some kind. From what I remember the American Navy could not detect the Gotland Submarine either.
Gotlands and Akulas or any SSNs do not compare, noise-wise. ;) Gotlands and the Type-212 family of boats probably are the most silent boats currently in service. Akulas are nuclear, Gotlands base on AIP-Sterling engines, 212s base on synchronous electric motors with fuel cells.
Catfish
08-17-12, 07:13 AM
I have always wondered ..

The main reason for the noise on a nuclear sub are the cooling pumps ?

From a certain speed on (appropriate water intakes assumed) a nuclear submarine should not need its active water pumps, and the project 971 Bars has two inlets slightly ahead/below of the reactor compartment.

Is there even an IUSS/Sosus in the mexican gulf ? I take it is not so easy anymore, to find and trail a russian sub of the recent generation.
Oberon
08-17-12, 07:27 AM
I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs.

:har::har::har::har::har:

That would just be hilarious.
joea
08-17-12, 08:27 AM
I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs.

Hello!*

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html#ixzz23oGKDHdM




*Or is that "herro"??

I'll get my coat. :88)
Takeda Shingen
08-17-12, 10:37 AM
Gotlands and the Type-212 family of boats probably are the most silent boats currently in service.

And aren't very good choices for forward blue water deployment. They are relatively silent, but are also slow, limited in range and of shallower diving depth than nukes. As in all things, there are tradeoffs. A Type 212 is not a boat that you would send to patrol the Gulf of Mexico.
Gargamel
08-17-12, 11:16 AM
Another article on the front page. Pentagon denies it happened.
Karle94
08-22-12, 01:53 PM
So you find a Russian sub in the gulf, big deal. I came to Bodø on saturday and saw the destroyer Admiral Chabanonko docked in the harbor. There was Russian sailors everywhere. I last saw the Chabanenko here in Bodø in may docked alongside KNM Fridtjof Nansen.
nikimcbee
08-22-12, 02:12 PM
On a side note, has Russia ever messed around with our SOSUS lines?
nikimcbee
08-22-12, 02:15 PM
And in other news, Russian submarine sails to Gulf of Mexico without catching on fire or having the reactor meltdown.
nikimcbee
08-22-12, 02:20 PM
It would be really embarrassing if it was one of these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_class_submarine


Which one is noiser: USS Nautilus or a Lira Class?:hmm2:
Catfish
08-22-12, 04:27 PM
From the "news" it was a 971 'Bars' class sub, appx. as silent as an LA class sub or so they say.

Regarding which is noisier, the 571 or a 705 'Lira' - at which speed ? :O:
The Alfa with its 45 knots would just outrun a contemporary Nautilus torpedo - wasn't that the reason why the Mk48 was developed (?)

Anyway russian subs meanwhile take part in NATO maneuvers, and lie cheek to cheek to Nato boats in internationsl harbours.
Also american subs have filmed russian prototypes near their harbours violating russian territorial limits for decades, so what's the big deal now ?
To be honest I would be more afraid of the Mafia than of the Russians lol

Greetings,
Catfish
August
08-22-12, 05:13 PM
On a side note, has Russia ever messed around with our SOSUS lines?

Not that i've ever heard, but I wonder if they did whether either side would admit it publicly.
nikimcbee
08-22-12, 05:17 PM
Not that i've ever heard, but I wonder if they did whether either side would admit it publicly.

Ever since the Walker scandal, I wonder if they messed with it?:hmmm:
Platapus
08-22-12, 06:06 PM
Why are people assuming that the US navy was unaware of this submarine?

Because a story "leaked" to the press says so?

Think about it for a moment. Who benefits from this "story"?
Catfish
08-23-12, 03:59 AM
Why are people assuming that the US navy was unaware of this submarine?

Because a story "leaked" to the press says so?

Think about it for a moment. Who benefits from this "story"?

^ This.
A Hidden Soul
08-23-12, 10:11 AM
Russian submarines go into U.S. ports all the time. When I was living at Bangor Base they would come in all the time.

The U.S. doesn't give a rats ass if they're in U.S. waters. The U.S. play cat and mouse with them all the time. The U.S. has SSBN's in their waters too.