Download limit

[Crécy]

What's the point having a download section in the forums if you are allowed to download one file (exaggerated) per month? I'm following Sober's mega mod guide for SHV and so I'm downloading the files he has listed. But, as half of the files are located in the 'Downloads' section I get to actually play the game in September. If then.

[Dowly]

Myeah, I've been following these threads every once in a while as they pop up
and I think there ought to be some changes to the system.

Now, I do understand why the limit is there. But why not have few different
ranks or levels for the downloads. The longer you've been here and the more
you've posted (=contributed) the more files you can download per day? :hmmm:

PS. Wrong section you silly person. :O:

[DelphiUniverse]

You could bribe someone off to get another one file. You'd have two files ultimately. You can get the handbook of extortion, here it is

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wZWnTG06eTc/SAyL2JQE8tI/AAAAAAAAApc/spwXhigIgU0/s400/300px-Extortion_for_Dummies.png

:D

[Crécy]

PS. Wrong section you silly person. :O:

I was blinded by uncontrollable wrath.

You could bribe someone off to get another one file. You'd have two files ultimately. You can get the handbook of extortion, here it is


:D

Have to order it from Amazon.

[DelphiUniverse]

This download limiter made me a careful downloader. I plan my downloads ahead, I have 10 per day. After a week or so downloading, I have come to a point where I am balanced, I don't have that urgent need for several files at same the time anymore, but only a few once and then. I don't suffer as much as someone who needs it all to get going with their recent installed game.

Maybe this download limit will make you a better torpedo man. You also plan ahead the torpedo, you could practice this patience here in the forums too.

[icthird623]

I'm pretty new here. I don't have the ability to contribute a useful mod yet. I search this site everyday for useful information and mods to make the game play better. If it was not for the people freely putting in the hard work and time on these mods and this web site, I would have stopped playing the SH sims.
It is their site, there mods, thier willingness to freely make it all available and their decision to operate the process as they see fit. Sounds good to me.
Thank you all ( and you know who you are )

[Crécy]

It is their site, there mods, thier willingness to freely make it all available and their decision to operate the process as they see fit. Sounds good to me.
Thank you all ( and you know who you are )

Well, I doubt the modders have any say to the download limit... And I believe that if they could decide, there would be no limit. I mean who would want to make mods freely available and then restrict the amount of how many you can download them? At least I wouldn't.

[icthird623]

I'm just guessing but without the modders there is no website. I have to think if it were an issue for them they could get the policy changed. I am not in anyway dissing your opinion, I merely stated mine. And now I added 2 more posts and am getting closer to more downloads.

[Crécy]

I understand why there is download limit but I just wish that the policy would change a bit to the direction Dowly suggested. I'm just frustrated as I yesterday got an idea to install SHV again and give it another chance to win me to its side with the help of amazing mods. And then I realized that it will take like a week to download the files Sober listed because of the limit.

[icthird623]

Well stated and a good point

[Herr-Berbunch]

Play vanilla. Then you'll really appreciate the mods when you get them. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

The problem is the amount of money it costs to maintain a website of this size. The other problem is that Subsim has more than 70,000 members, and most of them signed up just so they could download stuff. If all of them try to download 10 mods per day the download section is getting close to one million hits every day. That's not the case, but there are still a large number of people who want to download free stuff but never contribute to the site at all. The limit is an attempt to get more people to be active members, to enter into discussions and take part in the community. Another option that's been thrown out is to simply charge for downloads. That is almost certainly never going to happen, which is a good thing.

I just wish all the people who just want something for nothing would think about that. It's frustrating to see people with 10 posts and 100 downloads. Oh, and though it may sound like it, I have nothing to do with Subsim other than to be just another member.

I agree that if possible the ideal solution might be to have it be rank-based, so the higher your rank the more downloads you can make.

Well, I doubt the modders have any say to the download limit... And I believe that if they could decide, there would be no limit. I mean who would want to make mods freely available and then restrict the amount of how many you can download them? At least I wouldn't.
You're right on both counts.

I'm just guessing but without the modders there is no website.
You would be guessing wrong. The mods are great, but the site is supported by members who contribute both money and time. It's the people who post regularly and contribute to the knowledge base and the comeraderie who make the site work. The modders who really make a difference are people like Stiebler and TheDarkWraith, who not only make great mods but spend so much time helping people understand how they work. Read any thread about the history and the real submarines, and you'll see who really keeps this site alive. The people who look up real data and post it, whether it's technical or the orders the commanders passed down, or the personal stories of real submariners. Read some of the forums outside the one game you're interested in, and see what the real contributors say and think. They are the soul of Subsim.

It's the people who give back to the community who make it work.

[icthird623]

Without the mods, the game is poorly done. If you have a poor game you will not have as many people interested in playing it.
Not as many playing = not as many using this web site. The tips and help on this website are invaluable and pick up where a woeful UB dropped the ball. UB should be paying for this site.
I really am done now:03:

[Thylacine]

Whilst i have no personal problem with the current system (as I'm patient and a quick google finds many alternative sources for most downloads anyway) it does seem a tad unfair/ineffectual.
Limiting data quantity vs number of downloads would seem the obvious solution, making all parties happier and achieving much more in terms of minimising hosting costs than the current arrangement.



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[volodya61]

:agree:

Google, comrades.. Google is your best friend..

[hitmanuw]

:agree:

Google, comrades.. Google is your best friend..

agree with you ...without google i'm a walking dead man :D

[Webster]

Whilst i have no personal problem with the current system (as I'm patient and a quick google finds many alternative sources for most downloads anyway) it does seem a tad unfair/ineffectual.
Limiting data quantity vs number of downloads would seem the obvious solution, making all parties happier and achieving much more in terms of minimising hosting costs than the current arrangement.



ed

interesting idea of a limit based on data size? just not sure how that would work as the cut off might result in corrupting a download. plus how to address the huge size of some mods like tmo and rfb that add up to enough data so you could get 30-40 or more downloads to equal that size.

remember, the idea with number limits on downloads is so the next guy can get his downloads too and it doesnt slow down the servers on the site.

i just lost all my files and had to redownload my own mods to get them back so yes its frustrating being limited but i just did 10 each day and i got them back. new members who want ALL of the mods out there just need to do the same.

my advice is to just make a list of mods you want then use the list to prioritze then 10 you need most so you dont waste downloads on things you can wait for and get tomorrow. using your list you google search for them and as i did you can find most of them elsewhere and then use your 10 downloads here for the ones you cant find.

do you realise how rare it is to need more then 10 mods in one day? for such a rare occurance why redo the system that is working fine?

[GT182]

I'm finding the SS limit very frustrating because last week I lost all my downloaded and saved mods for SH 5. I'm trying to get them back again but it's a very slow process on 2 counts. Those I lost that came from FileFront and GameFront is really painful. Since their merger it's been a hit or miss even getting on their website. Even the newest mods uploaded to GF are near impossible to get.

[Thylacine]

interesting idea of a limit based on data size? just not sure how that would work as the cut off might result in corrupting a download. plus how to address the huge size of some mods like tmo and rfb that add up to enough data so you could get 30-40 or more downloads to equal that size.

remember, the idea with number limits on downloads is so the next guy can get his downloads too and it doesnt slow down the servers on the site.

i just lost all my files and had to redownload my own mods to get them back so yes its frustrating being limited but i just did 10 each day and i got them back. new members who want ALL of the mods out there just need to do the same.

my advice is to just make a list of mods you want then use the list to prioritze then 10 you need most so you dont waste downloads on things you can wait for and get tomorrow. using your list you google search for them and as i did you can find most of them elsewhere and then use your 10 downloads here for the ones you cant find.

do you realise how rare it is to need more then 10 mods in one day? for such a rare occurance why redo the system that is working fine?


Hosting fees are generally based on bandwidth.
Downloading one hundred mods that are all under a few megabytes is analogous cost-wise to someone browsing the fora here for a while, whereas a single one gigabyte download may be noticable. The current system would allow me to download the ten largest files in the database (each day) but would deny someone 100MB of small mods.
The hosting costs are tied to bandwidth usage so only limiting this will decrease fees incurred.
Limiting users to 50MB/day or so seems poor cost-management.



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[Dogfish40]

As you can see, I've downloaded several mods myself (You created a mod junkie with me!). When I first saw that I had been limited to 10 a few weeks ago, I thought that somehow I had been demoted. The explanation satisfied me. I rarely need to get more than 10 anymore and I have a flash drive plus a couple of other Backups just for the Mods for SH 3-4 and 5. When I had to wait, it was only one more day, that's 20 mods in two days (and I didn't need all that). That's a lot of mods for that amount of time.
If someone has some kind of emergency where they've lost their drive and all their data, maybe Subsim could put up a special contact page and providing it is quick enough to be worth the effort, givin a special gold key to open up the dam for a day. This contact post or whatever could be used specifically for Members who have to download 100 mods or so to run their game and someone who is a basic contributing member. With an explanation they could somehow get a key for a day. I dunno' I'm just thinkin' of something that everyone could agree on. Maybe it's not possible.
For now, 10's good!
Thank you Modder's :up:
D40

[Herr-Berbunch]

Or obey the golden rule of computing - backup, backup, and backup again! I don't see why Subsim should open up downloads especially because someone didn't.

I can't talk, by the way, I'm terrible for it.

And you can only backup what you've downloaded, which is no use to any new guys.

[DelphiUniverse]

I think that people should continue to use external file hosting services like many already do, and if they don't, they should combine this file section with an external file hosting service.

[0rpheus]

Maybe the existing post-limit system could have another tier added - if a member has a post count of, I dunno, 200 or higher, they're evidently contributing something to the community. Maybe double the limit for those members?


Just a thought. I've never encountered the limit beyond the restriction to first post, even when I was modding SH5 heavily, though external sites do help as well. :salute:

[Crécy]

Just a thought. I've never encountered the limit beyond the restriction to first post

Actually I don't remember encountering the limit either after I signed up for the first time. New feature?

[Timmo76]

Without the mods, the game is poorly done. If you have a poor game you will not have as many people interested in playing it.
Not as many playing = not as many using this web site. The tips and help on this website are invaluable and pick up where a woeful UB dropped the ball. UB should be paying for this site.
I really am done now:03:

I agree. It's the fans putting in the work to make this sim the product the developers should have been. If it takes a small download hurdle for us all to gain access to their work I have no problem.

[Webster]

just remember guys there is a lot going on at this website besides just the subsims and neal created the download section to give the members an added bonus that goes along with membership here so for the rare times that you do encounter the minor inconvienience of a download limit making you wait 24 hours to get the rest of your downloads, i think its pretty petty to be complaining about download limits considering its all provided for you for free.

[GT182]

All frustration aside Web, I do agree with ya. Patience is what we all need. We don'treally mean to ruffle feathers... especially Neal's. ;) You've explained things very well, so no more from me.

Without SubSim we'd all be scrod. Time for us to suck it up and live with the way things are. :yep:

[SilentOtto]

I have only noticed and suffered this limit now, since I have (finally) capitulated and am trying to follow sober's uber-mod-soup :o so I think we can live with it too.

Maybe a relaxation of such limits for donors would be a matter for thought, since it may encourage contributing.

[Zanarkin]

I'm sorta confused. I have downloaded a bunch of mods from here since I started playing a week or so ago and haven't seen this issue? Granted, most of the popular mods steer to various file hosting sites and only a rare few actually had a in house zip link. The largest single mod I have acquired was over 5 gigs for the full on radio mod with gigs of music but that was on that other sub website.

I have my game set up quite nice with all these mods and can't imagine continuing to muddy the game with more and more? I'm at the point I have all the 'big stuff' and even 'little stuff' and when browsing there's nothing left that looks appealing other than truly tiny tiny things.

Which mods are must haves for the game that you want yet have no off site link posted? I assume if it was 'good' it would have so much demand that it would have off site file hosting right?

[Webster]

I'm sorta confused.

there is no size limit on downloads, members here are limited to only 10 downloads per day (24 hours) no matter how big they are so that ALL members can access to downloads and at the same time it would NOT slow down the website servers.

i dont know the specifics of the website but this is the most efficient way it can be done so thats why it was done that way. if and when the website can find a way to have unlimited downloads in one day then im sure they will

[DelphiUniverse]

The only problem with the download limit, is if you are clicking a mod, you get to the download section and accidentially click the download link and it starts, you cancel it and lose 1 download for that day. Or if you have a tab open, close the browser, reopen the browser and the download auto starts, losing another download for the day, hehe.

I've had at least 3 accidents of clicking the download link when I shouldn't have. I have no clue how I managed to do that, I am usually very good at controlling my mouse cursor, but it just happened. It might have had something to do with how items are placed when the page is loading, you click some place and the click is generated another place as the page is loaded, due to relocations of objects.

[Webster]

well those things happen but other then a new member who has no mods at all, who is really in need of more then 10 downloads a day or as in your example did you still need more then the 7 downloads you had left?

the limit is 10 because with very rare exceptions its more then the average member would ever need in one day

when you download a mod, save it then put it on a disk so you never need to download it again, thats what i usually do.

[tankslapper]

I just came up against this, and it is quite frustrating. The time when people are going to want to download most is when they first acquire the game, see a bunch of useful mods like Sober's list and then find they can't actually get it.

Maybe there should be a way to list a mirror alongside the file hosted here, so that someone uploading a mod has the option to put a link to one of the file locker sites.

[volodya61]

Google is your best friend..

And Welcome aboard tankslapper!

[tankslapper]

Thanks. I've found a few of the mods via Google, but still missing a few. I've got enough to have a play with for now anyway.

[Webster]

Maybe there should be a way to list a mirror alongside the file hosted here, so that someone uploading a mod has the option to put a link to one of the file locker sites.

that is up to the modder, you can list anything you want as long as it isnt spam.

i like many other modders upload my mods here as well as another site so there is always more then one option availible to people. unfortunately gamefront is in the habbit of removing uploads that dont get regular downloads so most of my mods were deleted by them from my download page there.

all too often its not easy to get a totally free site to host your mods without requiring people join to be able to download or even worse have paid memberships.

the places out there that are completely free and easy to access by the public can be hard to find, they just arent that many dependable choices out there.

[tankslapper]

Dropbox has a file sharing capability - it provides a link that you can give to people to download a particular file. Maximum file size is 300Mb, and 10Gb a day traffic.

[Optimus23]

yeah thats indeed a long waiting time.....

[Angryson]

dropbox ftw.
Now I'm off to go make some useless posts so that I can d/l again.

[deadmoon]

I just wanted to weigh in on the 3/10 download limit imposed by this site. Your requirement that I post something, just so that I can d/l an extra few items per day must have a purpose. If it's to foster community it may work for some, but for others it will mean posting something just to gain a few extra downloads. Happily I can voice my distaste at your d/l limits and gain my extra d/l's per day all at the same time. Not sure if that's a win win or not?

[Zanarkin]

I just wanted to weigh in on the 3/10 download limit imposed by this site. Your requirement that I post something, just so that I can d/l an extra few items per day must have a purpose. If it's to foster community it may work for some, but for others it will mean posting something just to gain a few extra downloads. Happily I can voice my distaste at your d/l limits and gain my extra d/l's per day all at the same time. Not sure if that's a win win or not?

Would you like me to reply to your comment by saying it makes a lot of sense so you can reply to me and say thanks for my input? lol

[Takeda Shingen]

Yeah, it's just unreasonable to ask that you come along and introduce yourselves after getting all of these free downloads. Just monsterous.

Sense of entitlement much?

[Zanarkin]

Yeah, it's just unreasonable to ask that you come along and introduce yourselves after getting all of these free downloads. Just monsterous.

Sense of entitlement much?

Just by replying to each mod thread that you downloaded and saying thanks is a super easy way to show support and increase your post count....better than increasing it with angry posts anyway :)

[Takeda Shingen]

Just by replying to each mod thread that you downloaded and saying thanks is a super easy way to show support and increase your post count....better than increasing it with angry posts anyway :)

An excellent idea. :up:

[Targor Avelany]

I just wanted to weigh in on the 3/10 download limit imposed by this site. Your requirement that I post something, just so that I can d/l an extra few items per day must have a purpose. If it's to foster community it may work for some, but for others it will mean posting something just to gain a few extra downloads. Happily I can voice my distaste at your d/l limits and gain my extra d/l's per day all at the same time. Not sure if that's a win win or not?

would you like to pay for this site and help maintain it - http://www.subsim.com/sh2fleet_forms/donation.htm here is donation link for example. And maybe if there is enough money there the limit is raised.

And, tbh, ppl like you should be immediately cut off from downloads - insulting self-serving people don't deserve the amount of work modders put into making this game awesome.

Just by replying to each mod thread that you downloaded and saying thanks is a super easy way to show support and increase your post count....better than increasing it with angry posts anyway :)

Agree.

[Sailor Steve]

I just wanted to weigh in on the 3/10 download limit imposed by this site. Your requirement that I post something, just so that I can d/l an extra few items per day must have a purpose. If it's to foster community it may work for some, but for others it will mean posting something just to gain a few extra downloads. Happily I can voice my distaste at your d/l limits and gain my extra d/l's per day all at the same time. Not sure if that's a win win or not?
Subsim currently has more than 76,000 registered members, and recieved more than 9,000 visits in the last 24 hours. How many of those posted something, and how many downloaded something? I'm not sure how much it costs just to maintain the servers for those 24 hours, but the last time we had a fund drive we faced the problem of possibly having to close the download section for lack of funds. If you haven't donated then somebody else is paying for your "free" downloads. We don't ask that you pay, and we don't have a donation requirement for downloads. All we ask is that you give back a little time to the community. If that's too much to ask, then would you prefer that we started charging for downloads? How much more would you complain then?

Or would it be better if the Downloads section was just closed?

[Webster]

i have a great solution for all those who cant tolerate a limit of 10 downloads per day, lets just close and eliminate the download section altogether. that way you wont have to be subjected to such draconian regulations that seam to be such a hardship on you.

all those in favor of ending the horrible draconian download limit buy closing the download section say aye

i for one wouldnt mind if neal started charging $1 per download, if he did that i would even remove all my mods elsewhere to be sure people have to come here to get them.

[Sailor Steve]

ilets just close and eliminate the download section altogether. that way you wont have to be subjected to such draconian regulations that seam to be such a hardship on you.
Not a bad idea, really.

all those in favor of ending the horrible draconian download limit buy closing the download section say aye
Nay, but only because I'm biased. :D

i for one wouldnt mind if neal started charging $1 per download, if he did that i would even remove all my mods elsewhere to be sure people have to come here to get them.
Also not a bad idea. I don't put my meager mods up anywhere else anyway.

[desertstriker]

this limit is good for as has been said IT takes money to run this site. if what Neal says is true it takes about $7800 a year to maintain this site.

i don't like the per download suggestion maybe a subscription system like X amount of dollars a month gets you Y amount of downloads a day/week.

[Webster]

this limit is good for as has been said IT takes money to run this site. if what Neal says is true it takes about $7800 a year to maintain this site.

i don't like the per download suggestion maybe a subscription system like X amount of dollars a month gets you Y amount of downloads a day/week.

the trouble with subscriptions is once you get your downloads you dont often need much anymore so the average user gets 20-30 downloads when starting out then "maybe" only need or want 2-5 downloads a year after that.


the system we have works great its just that a new member who needs or wants those 20-30 mods has to do it over 2 or 3 days and if thats asking too much of them then i think they are asking a bit much from a completely free to use service thats neal spends his money, time, and effort to provide to our members.


a bit of looking a gift horse in the mouth i think

[flostt]

the system we have works great its just that a new member who needs or wants those 20-30 mods has to do it over 2 or 3 days and if thats asking too much of them then i think they are asking a bit much from a completely free to use service thats neal spends his money, time, and effort to provide to our members.


a bit of looking a gift horse in the mouth i think

:up: That sums it up very nicely!!! :up:

[gap]

the system we have works great its just that a new member who needs or wants those 20-30 mods has to do it over 2 or 3 days and if thats asking too much of them then i think they are asking a bit much from a completely free to use service thats neal spends his money, time, and effort to provide to our members.


a bit of looking a gift horse in the mouth i think

:up: That sums it up very nicely!!! :up:

I couldn't agree more :yep:

[Raven-505]

At first, I was a little annoyed by the fact that the list that I, and a good majority of other people, are using (Sober's), there are over 50 mods to get on before I can start really playing the game. I admit, that's mostly what I've been doing is downloading since I got here. But I see the Admin.'s point to costs. So, I'm cool with it. Besides, with all of the mods, it's good for me to go slow and read the notes to how to setup the mods. If there was no limit, I'd be blazing away and overlook something, crash the whole thing, and have to start over. Besides, I believe in this site and the products that are produced here, so I donated. I'm no free-loader, with ALL of the mods, it's definitely worth a little money back to them. What I've learned here has greatly improved the game for me, and have learned some stuff about subs I didn't know. So, short story long, I don't see a problem with the setup here. If your someone who can't get over the fact of 10 downloads a day, go somewhere else. You may get a site with no limit. You may get mods with diminished quality. You may strike gold. I don't see much need in complaining about petty things like that.

[Sailor Steve]

^ ^ ^

Now that's the way to look on the bright side of things..."it could be worse!"
:rotfl2: :rock:


WELCOME ABOARD! :sunny:

[pagansmudge]

At the end of the day waiting a few days will teach people patience, something that is need in the game. and things could by a lot worse.

This is a call for support to the entire ARMA/OFP community, all gamers and non-gamers alike.

As many of you might know, two of Bohemia Interactive's developers, Ivan Buchta, and Martin Pezlar, are currently detained in a prison in Greece, charged with allegations of spying.

check out full stoy here

http://www.armedassault.info/index.php?

[Sabatasso]

a bit of looking a gift horse in the mouth i think

Any idiot who gets a free horse checks the teeth... the horse didn't come free for no reason, obviously?

Not saying I wouldn't want a horse with bad teeth, it just means that it isn't as useful as one with good teeth.

I've waited years for this game (SH5) to be playable, I can easily wait a few more days or even a week.

[hanspetterbre]

I dont like it:(

[hanspetterbre]

DOnt like it:(

[desertstriker]

DOnt like it:(
i don't like it either but thats life.

[Lewis Wingerter]

I have NO PROBLEMS with the download restriction. I am not a molder, I need the mod maker(great bunch of guys) files to play the game the way Ubisoft should had. Every file I download I save. I still have file I downloaded for SH 1 and 2(haven't played in years). It must be a nightmare for Neal to make sure he has enough money to pay the fee to keep up the board. My hat is off to Neal:salute::salute::salute: I will live with the restriction. I will keep donating to Neal to keep this great board going.

[Onkel Neal]

this limit is good for as has been said IT takes money to run this site. if what Neal says is true it takes about $7800 a year to maintain this site.

i don't like the per download suggestion maybe a subscription system like X amount of dollars a month gets you Y amount of downloads a day/week.


I don't like the download limits either, and I apologize but they have to be there or the site won't stay up/will cost a lot more to run. As it is, we are using one full server and an additional backup, and yes, that does cost about $560 a month, plus tech fees.

I will look into desertstriker's idea, that may be a better system. That way at least, the people helping keep the sit up will have better access.

Neal

[desertstriker]

I have NO PROBLEMS with the download restriction. I am not a molder, I need the mod maker(great bunch of guys) files to play the game the way Ubisoft should had. Every file I download I save. I still have file I downloaded for SH 1 and 2(haven't played in years). It must be a nightmare for Neal to make sure he has enough money to pay the fee to keep up the board. My hat is off to Neal:salute::salute::salute: I will live with the restriction. I will keep donating to Neal to keep this great board going.
:agree:

[darkgiver]

Would be awesome if someone who downloaded all Sober mega mod files post the pack in one file...

[Webster]

Would be awesome if someone who downloaded all Sober mega mod files post the pack in one file...


once again anyone can do this at any time so now that you brought it up maybe someone who has all the files will do it.

[Targor Avelany]

once again anyone can do this at any time so now that you brought it up maybe someone who has all the files will do it.

I can... But something stopping me. Same as something stopping sober.

Can't say for others, for me - just feels wrong. Towards the modders, who trying hard to improve the game, towards users, who spent time to download and arrange mods, towards Neil and moderators of this site... Hard to explain. It feels like it is not my place or right to take someone elses work and the way they placed their downloads (whether via subsim or other sources - most of the mods on the sober's list are downloadable from "off-site" sources btw).

Simply said: I don't feel that it is any of my right to take someone elses work and, without doing any of work myself (creating a Mega-Mod woud be considered doing something), just putting things up for easy download.

This is just my stance on things. Even though it sounds vague and silly, but this moral part is very important to me and that is the reason why I don't put the entire sober's mod list in one big file for download.

Why do I post this? Just to show that people have reasons for doing or not doing something. Nothing against you, necesseraly. Maybe even silly reasons.

but, imo, people's opinion and reasons matter. Especially on this free forum. And if you feel there is need to have one large chunk of file where all mods are combined - go ahead and do it yourself and put it out for others to use.
But I think it's unfair and hypocritical to expect someone else to do it for YOUR benefit and forget about it as soon as you have all you need.

Hope I didn't offend anyone :sunny:

[Trevally.]

once again anyone can do this at any time so now that you brought it up maybe someone who has all the files will do it.

If I was a lurker on this forum, I would make a new thread "Sobers Mega Mod - by Lurker1".
List all the mods and ask the owners to shout out if they did not want their mod used.
Give evryone a week or two to reply.
Then release the mod and run away and never write on the thread again.

Otherwise it would be a full time job replying to all the "this mod does not work - what am I doing wrong" posts.

:O::03:
:arrgh!:
:D

[flostt]

.....and imagine the amount of time needed trying to keep the mega-mod up to date when a new version of a included mod is released ....

good post there, targor :up: :up:

[desertstriker]

once again anyone can do this at any time so now that you brought it up maybe someone who has all the files will do it.
working on it

[Berlorian]

After not playing the game for a long time almost a year.
(was waiting for offline mode to turn up. now it has)
So after reinstalling I noticed my old drive with mods on it was dead.
So I started downloading them again.

But sadly with the limits it took me 15 mins to install game and patches.
now will take about 6 more days of downloading mods at like 5 per day or wateva so ill be able to play the game by about 7-8th of june.
So yes the limits do hurt a little.

(As far as im concerned Ubi should pay to keep this forum up and running plus give the forum mods a little extra change.)

but unfortunately I wont have internet access after day 4 so I might be a little scre*#%.

Also as no internet at home at them moment im hoping I can copy all game files & uplay files and the registry settings from this laptop to my game machine at home and it will hopefuly run in offline mode.

I wish the uplay update was downloadable like V1.1 V1.2 patches were so I don't have to do the above mentioned work.
just install game plus manual updates + mods and play..

[BigWalleye]

After not playing the game for a long time almost a year.
(was waiting for offline mode to turn up. now it has)
So after reinstalling I noticed my old drive with mods on it was dead.
So I started downloading them again.

But sadly with the limits it took me 15 mins to install game and patches.
now will take about 6 more days of downloading mods at like 5 per day or wateva so ill be able to play the game by about 7-8th of june.
So yes the limits do hurt a little.

(As far as im concerned Ubi should pay to keep this forum up and running plus give the forum mods a little extra change.)

but unfortunately I wont have internet access after day 4 so I might be a little scre*#%.

Also as no internet at home at them moment im hoping I can copy all game files & uplay files and the registry settings from this laptop to my game machine at home and it will hopefuly run in offline mode.

I wish the uplay update was downloadable like V1.1 V1.2 patches were so I don't have to do the above mentioned work.
just install game plus manual updates + mods and play..

You could just kick in five bucks (the price of a Venti Caramel Mocha Latte at S'bux) and download 25 mods a day. Then you'd be done in 2 days. Or kick in $10 (dinner for 2 at Mickey D's) and get them all in one day. And have those download privileges for a year, along access to some other good stuff. AND help out SubSim, which you and I both know Ubi ain't gonna do any time soon.

[Onkel Neal]

After not playing the game for a long time almost a year.
(was waiting for offline mode to turn up. now it has)
So after reinstalling I noticed my old drive with mods on it was dead.
So I started downloading them again.

But sadly with the limits it took me 15 mins to install game and patches.
now will take about 6 more days of downloading mods at like 5 per day or wateva so ill be able to play the game by about 7-8th of june.
So yes the limits do hurt a little.

(As far as im concerned Ubi should pay to keep this forum up and running plus give the forum mods a little extra change.)



If I took money from Ubi or any other developer, they would want to have a say in the running of the forum (which is fair). I prefer to remain independent and rely on the good will of the Subsim members to keep this website going.

[BigWalleye]

If I took money from Ubi or any other developer, they would want to have a say in the running of the forum (which is fair). I prefer to remain independent and rely on the good will of the Subsim members to keep this website going.

Fair point, Neal. Russian proverb: You eat my bread, you sing my song.

[Webster]

I can... But something stopping me. Same as something stopping sober.



if you don't try you can never do anything

no way can every modder on that list be denying permission

I myself spent 2 months getting permissions from lots of modders to use their work in a combined work, some whole and some were combined or merged with other files. it takes time and commitment to ask for permissions and wait for replies, then do it again if mods cant be used whole.

I did this because no one else felt like it could be done so no one tried. I had time on my hands so I tried and with only a small handful of about 4 or 5 mods that I wasn't allowed to use I managed to create a mod that still combined or merged something like 20+ mods together giving all the modders proper credit for their work.

the hardest thing about doing a big mod is finding the time to do it but the second hardest thing is to stop finding excuses why you cant do it and just try.

whats the worst that could happen? maybe you reduce the number of mods that have to be downloaded and installed separately to half of what it is now. isn't that still a success?

im not calling you or anyone out im just saying its easy to find reasons or excuses not to do something but all it takes is for someone to try.

[Frank Ravelli]

Well i have to say that it took a whole week to download all the mods in sober´s list, even if googling outside subsim. If it waqsn´t for the mods found somewhere else it would have probably taken about a month. That´s a pity, in my opinion. I dont think it should be necessary to force the users to donate or post in subsim in order to get the desired mods. I am also a user of skyrim mods and the skyrim nexus is a paradise of modding. And a great example of how to present and manage a mod site. Because, after all the restrictions imposed here at subsim, the system is quite bad when searching for files, posts, info, etc.
Anyway, the mods are there to be downloaded in the end, if you are patient enough. And the work of the modders here is just amazing!!

[BigWalleye]

If you have any idea how the other sites you mentioned are funded, you ought to post it to Neal Stevens. SubSim depends on those donations to pay the bills. Everyone would love it if this were a completely free site and all costs could be met through indirect means - advertising, commissions, whatever. If you know a way to do that (one that will WORK), please share it!

As for the searches, perhaps you would be willing to donate some of your time to improving what we have?

[Frank Ravelli]

@BigWalleye take a look at this site.
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com//?
As you can see there are big ads on the page that I guess help quite a lot in funding the site. They do not bother though. BTW they also accept donations, but they are not "enforced". And check also how there is a forum, but there´s a separate page for each mod. there are thousands of them (possibly the most modded game in history of pc games?)

I don´t know much about programming to help improve the search system on this site or anywhere else. I am just a parasite user. that´s why I respect absolutely the policy in this site in any case

[BigWalleye]

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com//?

Certainly a nice site, in all respects. 5M+ members, about 2 orders of magnitude bigger than SubSim, probably due in some measure to the much greater popularity of the games involved. Submarine and naval sims are pretty niche.

Yes, I'm sure advertising covers a lot of their expenses. SubSim does solicit ads, altho the fact that we don't see many probably says something about the size of SubSim's market and about the aggressiveness of its ad marketing staff. But they do solicit ads.

The Nexus site has a premium membership available, also. They offer a different goody bag with premium membership. No limits on downloads.

Maybe you could address some of these ideas to Neal. I know the admins are always looking for ways to improve the site. The big issue is liable to be scaling. There's different business models for the Tonight Show and Wayne's World.

EDIT:
SubSim is a relatively small online community of gamers who share a common interest in naval sims. SubSim, like everything on the Internet, and pretty much everything in life, is not free. All the “free stuff” is paid for by someone. The bandwidth I am using to post this was paid for by someone, who felt that the continued existence of the forum was worth a contribution. The downloads section, storage and bandwidth, is not free. It was paid for by someone’s contribution. The mods themselves are not free. They are the result of a lot of hard work, given freely to the community by people who believe that encouraging this commonality of interest is a good idea. Everything on this site is a gift from someone. TANSTAFL

Is it wrong to impose limits on those who do not contribute? That is a morally arguable point. But no one is utterly excluded from anything, and the purpose served is to ensure that SubSim will continue to be here and serve this community. Most of us feel that is a worthwhile goal. YMMV

[Sailor Steve]

I dont think it should be necessary to force the users to donate or post in subsim in order to get the desired mods.
I don't think it's fair to take and take and take and never give. It's annoying to see profiles with 12 posts and 300 downloads, and all 12 posts are asking for help with some mod or another. I think this community would be far better if everyone who registered here actually took part in it.

Just my opinion.

[THEBERBSTER]

Hi Guys
I decided to subscribe to Subsim not because I wanted a mass of daily downloads, but because I wanted to say thank you in my own way for the fabulous work that not only the modders do but also for the regular help and support that has come my way through the threads. Sometimes its nice to give something back.
Best wishes Peter

[Webster]

I dont think it should be necessary to force the users to donate or post in subsim in order to get the desired mods.

no one on this site is forced to do anything.

if you want to download something all we ask is that you make a post, not a hundred and not 10 but just one legitimate real post that could be as simple as saying thank you or this is a great mod is all it takes. you cant say that's such a huge thing to ask is it? or wait I think some of you already said it is. :huh:

the only time you need to donate is if you want to download a large number of mods without restriction. anyone else can simply take the time to download the 8-10 mods a day they can download and then do more tomorrow.

all this complaining about download limits is silly since its all provided to you for free and yet that's not good enough for some. what a shame some people are so ungrateful for what they have.

[THEBERBSTER]

Well said Webster

[Vivoune]

I downloaded about 60 mods from this site alone and stalked the forums for tips, advices and tutorials for the past few years, even if I do so on a very irregular basis it is oh so comforting to know all this invaluable knowledge and file database is here just waiting for us to enjoy and tickle with.

I remember reading somewhere that the servers cost about $600+ a month to maintain, so I think everyone can understand something has to be done to keep the whole enterprise afloat. I have just donated a few $ to help out a bit and I think it's quite fair given all that community give's me back. Just my two cents :)

[Onkel Neal]

Hi Guys
I decided to subscribe to Subsim not because I wanted a mass of daily downloads, but because I wanted to say thank you in my own way for the fabulous work that not only the modders do but also for the regular help and support that has come my way through the threads. Sometimes its nice to give something back.
Best wishes Peter

I downloaded about 60 mods from this site alone and stalked the forums for tips, advices and tutorials for the past few years, even if I do so on a very irregular basis it is oh so comforting to know all this invaluable knowledge and file database is here just waiting for us to enjoy and tickle with.

I remember reading somewhere that the servers cost about $600+ a month to maintain, so I think everyone can understand something has to be done to keep the whole enterprise afloat. I have just donated a few $ to help out a bit and I think it's quite fair given all that community give's me back. Just my two cents :)

Thanks, guys, you rock. (deep bow).

[kevinsue]

When I first found SH5 in the 2 for $20 bin at E.B Games, I checked out the Subsim website and soon came to the conclusion that I may have stumbled onto the nautical version of Falcon4. A simulator with great potential, but released prematurely and incomplete by the publisher for whatever reason, but then taken up by a community of dedicated people to complete it and turn it into something outstanding.

I set about downloading all the required mods with gusto to get the game up and running then suddenly ran into the download limit.:wah:
I was annoyed for a minute or two then I thought, well there are a great bunch of people doing a lot of work providing great mods, valuable information and advice on this site free for our enjoyment, so it's only fair that I become a contributor and do my little bit to help out and keep this resource viable and available. This was when my frustrations really started!
After four or five days on and off trying to create an account with Paypal, who kept refusing my credit card and didn't seem to have enough digit spaces for other regional bank cards on their online application forms, I had almost given up on the idea. I was planning to take my invalid card, buying an airline ticket with it to the nearest city that had a Paypal office so I could personally throttle someone to make me feel a bit better!
My minister for War and Finance returned home after a few days away and talked me out of the airline ticket. She then informed me that maybe Paypal wouldn't accept my card because it was already in use in her own little secret Paypal account!!:oops:

Over the years I have seen a few great (niche/genre specific) websites with all the knowledge and expertise of their particular field go down because of increased bandwidth, operating costs and lack of support and usually, once lost are lost forever and that is a crying shame.

I think that you get great value for a small donation (the price of a can of rum or a pub meal) to have the resources of Subsim just a mouse click away. I think SH5 will be around for the long haul and I went out and bought 2 more copies of the game for that reason.

I get even better bang for bucks because I don't use time compression. So if I average 3 hours a day, seven days a week gametime, I should be finished OH2 (1939 - 1945) in say about......40 years!:D

[Sailor Steve]

That is a great story! I've always felt that self-deprecating humor is the best kind. :rock:

[darkone999]

Yep mods our great and the advise even better.Thanks to everyone.:cool:

[M3PH1ST0]

I have one question about the download limitations : why can't I download files that are the size of, for say, the current page(≈30kb) ?

[Onkel Neal]

What do you mean? You should be able to download those without any problem. PM me, and let me hear what you are trying to do and I will see if I can determine what's causing you a problem.

[M3PH1ST0]

What I mean is that I find no reasons to restrain downloads for files that have the same weight of a web page...

[Aktungbby]

M3PH1STO:Kaleun_Salute:

[Jimbuna]

What I mean is that I find no reasons to restrain downloads for files that have the same weight of a web page...

The restrictions are not on the size but more on the quantity/number.

Obviously bandwidth costs money but IMO SubSim is pretty generous in its allowances.

[Onkel Neal]

What I mean is that I find no reasons to restrain downloads for files that have the same weight of a web page...


But multiply that by 175 users an hour....

[ReallyDedPoet]

Man when I think how much this community has enhanced my gaming experience ( and of course much more ) I can't put a $$ figure to it.....

[M3PH1ST0]

But multiply that by 175 users an hour....

I don't need to be register to navigate the forums, and I can load as many pages I want. So, when it comes to downloads, i find it stupid to limit it for files that are below 100kb.

Anyway, I am just pointing that out, if you don't want to change that, it is fine, I will live with it. I dont know how much subsim costs a month, but having +1500 users and guests is not free I guess :D

[Webster]

I don't need to be register to navigate the forums, and I can load as many pages I want. So, when it comes to downloads, i find it stupid to limit it for files that are below 100kb.

Anyway, I am just pointing that out, if you don't want to change that, it is fine, I will live with it. I dont know how much subsim costs a month, but having +1500 users and guests is not free I guess :D

what I find stupid is when people cant understand the limits are there so everyone can download without delays or long waits.

you get 10 downloads a day which is more then enough for the average member to never have a problem. the only problem is when new members show up wanting to download 40-55 mods and find its "too much trouble" to do it over 4 or 5 days and tell Neal that its stupid and it would be better to change the whole website system that has been refined over the years to work like a well oiled machine just so "they" don't have to wait an extra day for a mod.

if you don't like a free and friendly website that does everything it can to serve the most members in a trouble free manner then go to a pay sight and pay them to provide you with unlimited band width. geez

[Onkel Neal]

I don't need to be register to navigate the forums, and I can load as many pages I want. So, when it comes to downloads, i find it stupid to limit it for files that are below 100kb.

Anyway, I am just pointing that out, if you don't want to change that, it is fine, I will live with it. I dont know how much subsim costs a month, but having +1500 users and guests is not free I guess :D

So, you are suggesting maybe we should limit how many pages you can load ? :O: (Just kidding!)

No worries, I can understand where you're coming from. You are right, managing the costs used to be 1/2 my pocket and 1/2 from advertsing and game affiliate sales, mostly though Chips & Bits (do you remember them (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?101236-Chips-amp-Bits-Store-Shuts-Down)? They were HUGE at one time, but their revenue slowly dried up :( Now the domain is one of those advert-parked pages http://www.chipsbits.com/ ). Back then, Subsim made enough from those two streams, and Subsim was still not as busy as it is today, so there wasn't a problem. Since then, we have moved to a volunteer donation model to pay the server, server management, and other costs (those two items are 90%), and it has worked out great. Members of the Subsim site get to help do a little to keep the site online, and it also ensures that the bandwidth is managed sensibly. Thanks ! :up:

[M3PH1ST0]

what I find stupid is when people cant understand the limits are there so everyone can download without delays or long waits.


to do it over 4 or 5 days


Hmm hmmm.....
I think there is a contradiction here :hmm2:

[Mowgli]

I think it a privilege to help support this site with donations.

This site has given me personally much pleasure over the years and in my current time on it, it has made it possible for me to finally play SH5 after providing a similar service for SH3, DC, etc.

My Mrs loves it, because we save a fortune by me being kept busy adding mods and hunting the Atlantic instead of swilling beer in an empty pub.

[Sailor Steve]

I'll apologize for being rude before I start, but now I'm a little angry too. What I seem to see is someone who has been a registered member here for four years and has never contributed anything to the community. I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about helping people, being part of conversations. Maybe you've been lurking and reading the threads; I don't know. What I do know is that the first time you ever post here it's to complain about "your" downloads. We didn't use to have a Downloads section, and I sometimes think it might be better if we just got rid of it again.

[M3PH1ST0]

What I seem to see is someone who has been a registered member here for four years and has never contributed anything to the community.

I can understand how you feel. I wasn't really an english-speaker at the time, I was just looking for mods, and I was redirected to subsim.

What I do know is that the first time you ever post here it's to complain about "your" downloads.

It's a bit easy to say that.
I am sorry this is my first contribution too, but I am not complaining about "my" downloads :doh:...No need to staple "annoying kiddy" on me.

I sometimes think it might be better if we just got rid of it again

Yes.

[TG626]

...I sometimes think it might be better if we just got rid of it again.

I'd say no to that notion. If for no other reason then "That file does not exist. Redirecting you to home page." Without the subsim controlled repository many if not all mods would slowly vanish from the internet!

Let them wail and gnash their teeth.

My only wish (and I have yet to reach the end of my first subscription period so I don't know what will happen) is that we'd get notice that our time was nearly up so we could manually re-up our subscription.

My funds are thin, so auto-renew makes me nervous.

Never the less, subscribing was totally worth it.

[Onkel Neal]

Thanks, TG! :Kaleun_Salute:

Yes, when your SUBscription is near the end, Paypal will send you a reminder and you can decide whether to cancel the subscription or let it renew.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Yes, when your SUBscription is near the end, Paypal will send you a reminder and you can decide whether to cancel the subscription or let it renew.

Roger that :yep:

[Webster]

post #100 says it all, he wants us to get rid of the download section because HE doesn't like how its run.

this guy is not interested in making subsim better but just wants to bash it.

[Sailor Steve]

It's a bit easy to say that.
I am sorry this is my first contribution too, but I am not complaining about "my" downloads :doh:...No need to staple "annoying kiddy" on me.
You're right, it is easy to say. I wasn't trying to stick you with a label, just vent my own frustration. We have one hundred thousand members, and only a tiny handful ever do anything but download mods. We have more than a thousand people reading the forums at any one time, but only one or two hundred of those are signed in as registered members, and only a few of those actually post. I get frustrated because I want to know who all those people are, and what they think, and I never will.

Yes.
No, it won't happen, or at least I hope not. On the other hand I've also heard it suggested that the website make money by charging a dollar per download. Of course we could also charge more for the bigger ones. :sunny:

[M3PH1ST0]

post #100 says it all, he wants us to get rid of the download section because HE doesn't like how its run.

this guy is not interested in making subsim better but just wants to bash it.

You are quite disapointing for a moderator...

Anyway, this debate isn't going anywhere, so let's just end it.
Thanks everyone for your answers !

[bandit484]

I don't need to be register to navigate the forums, and I can load as many pages I want. So, when it comes to downloads, i find it stupid to limit it for files that are below 100kb.

Anyway, I am just pointing that out, if you don't want to change that, it is fine, I will live with it. I dont know how much subsim costs a month, but having +1500 users and guests is not free I guess :D

You should think about what you wrote in this post, especially the last part. Then ask yourself why am I whining about being a cheapskate? When all you really need to do is ante up and make a donation so you can download to your hearts content, instead of trying to bully your way into what you want!!!:down::hmm2:

[Jimbuna]

Calm waters everyone, the topic has been adequately discussed.

[bandit484]

You are quite disapointing for a moderator...

Anyway, this debate isn't going anywhere, so let's just end it.
Thanks everyone for your answers !

Sailor Steve isn't disappointing as a moderator. YOU ARE DISAPPOINTING AS A SUBSIM MEMBER!:k_rofl::Kaleun_Los::Kaleun_Mad:

[Jimbuna]

Sailor Steve isn't disappointing as a moderator. YOU ARE DISAPPOINTING AS A SUBSIM MEMBER!:k_rofl::Kaleun_Los::Kaleun_Mad:

The comment was not referring to Sailor Steve but rather Webster and the topic ends now if you'd be so kind.

[Jaceric]

Thank you for a rather interesting read gentlemen!
Good hunting!

[Wusaah]

nice

[Sailor Steve]

Posting so you can download?

[bismark141]

My only big annoyance is that it seems that, despite having not downloaded any mods today, it says that I reached my cap.

The cap itself is a wonderful way of limiting everything. Hell, the huge majority of my downloads could be cut in half, as they're from me getting the same mods on 2 different computers lol.

It's also a good way to make sure your game doesn't get bogged down, as you wont suffer from downloaditis, as I do with Skyrim. Anything i could consider being mildly useful gets put in, and it bloats my saves so fast lol

[Onkel Neal]

I think the clock resets after 24 hours.

[Aktungbby]

Wusaah!:Kaleun_Salute:pardon our belated bad manners!

[Squeekz]

Hi,

As a new member the download limit is understandable but confusing to me, can anyone explain to me in a clear fashion what the basic limit is, what the level you have to achieve to get an increase in download limits, what the subscription limits are etc please?

Many Thanks

[Aktungbby]

Squeekz!:Kaleun_Salute:

[Onkel Neal]

Hi,

As a new member the download limit is understandable but confusing to me, can anyone explain to me in a clear fashion what the basic limit is, what the level you have to achieve to get an increase in download limits, what the subscription limits are etc please?

Many Thanks

Non-supporters are allowed 5 mods per day, unless there are too many non-supporters downloading at one time and then it is restricted. Downloads are also restricted when someone signs up 2, 3, 4, and more accounts to get around the limit. That restriction can last 24 hours and hits the violator and, unfortunately, all non-supporters.

Supporters of the website are able to download any time, and the limits are raised to 25 mods per day for a First Officer ($5), 40 for Captain ($10), etc. Each support level has its own rewards and time period, for more, see Make a Donation. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/payments.php)

[Andayle]

Hi all,

I downloaded The Wolves of Steel mod today for SH5, although it was linked from here it actually downloaded from another filesharing site, can't remember the name. I'm now trying to download Trevellys TDC checker and it's saying I've hit my download limit. Does the Wolves of Steel download count towards my limit even though it was from an external site?

[Onkel Neal]

Counts double