where is Kiel?

[oppolo]

It's the 3rd mission of career, it's sept 1939 and I have to patrol the see in front of Poland, departure is Konigsberg and return to Kiel, but where is Kiel? I can't find in the map

[Red Heat]

Normaly if you set sail from Konigsberg for exemple...after you finish your war patrol you must return to base wich in this case is Konigsberg. Except if you ask to change to another Flottilla and base...:hmm2:
Well...Kiel its in Germany my friend!

[oppolo]

ok, found it, near the Danmark

[Pisces]

I actually had a harder time locating Königsberg. Who would have thought it was actually between Poland and Russia, current day Kaliningrad.

[mookiemookie]

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=kiel&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x47b2560d8fee97ad:0x4248963c6580320,Kiel,+G ermany&gl=us&ei=vwwdUK-7NcS2rQG4noHQBw&ved=0CJoBELYD

[oppolo]

I actually had a harder time locating Königsberg. Who would have thought it was actually between Poland and Russia, current day Kaliningrad.

I knew that, many german cities changed the name after the IIWW when became polish, russian, Czechoslovak and lithuanian.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Prussiamap.gif

[oppolo]

hello, my mission is 23 oct 1939, starting from Kiel I have to patrol an area about south west of Ireland and then return to kiel.

after passed the Kiel canal now, after 2 or 3 days, I am north Poland direct to the english Channel, it is nigth and there is a small poland war ship, in you opinion what could I do? try to sink it or leave it and go to the assigned patrol area?

a small help please, i know very small about this game

thanks in advance

[Sailor Steve]

Normally I would leave destroyers alone, as they are a lot of trouble for a small return. That said, if he gets close enough to give you an easy shot, send him to the bottom. :sunny:

[oppolo]

if he gets close enough to give you an easy shot

thanks
what could be? 1000, 1500, 2000 meters? I play 71% realism

[Pisces]

hello, my mission is 23 oct 1939, starting from Kiel I have to patrol an area about south west of Ireland and then return to kiel.

after passed the Kiel canal now, after 2 or 3 days, I am north Poland direct to the english Channel, it is nigth and there is a small poland war ship, in you opinion what could I do? try to sink it or leave it and go to the assigned patrol area?

a small help please, i know very small about this game

thanks in advanceHow do you get from Kiel to Ireland via Poland, after first going through the Kiel Kanal? Maybe you should send your Navigator back to the Academy lessons. ;)

[oppolo]

How do you get from Kiel to Ireland via Poland, after first going through the Kiel Kanal? Maybe you should send your Navigator back to the Academy lessons. ;)

mmm, isn't it right?

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z226/kirkkonummi/il2/rotta.jpg

[Pisces]

mmm, isn't it right?
Yes, it is. Though rumour (scuttlebutt) has it that the Channel is bloody crowded that time of year. Not that crowded that you can 'walk on the heads of coastal swimmers' though. But that might change soon. ;)

Anyway, you mentioned you are north of Poland. That's beyond the right edge of your screenshot. That can't be right, or along your track.

[Kongo Otto]

I wouldn't travel via "La manica" aka The Channel, be sure to find a load of RN Destroyers and Air Cover there. IIRC it was strictly forbidden to travel the Channel by U-Boots after the war began.

I travel this way:
http://www.abload.de/thumb/boot185o58.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=boot185o58.jpg)

[oppolo]

ahh ok yes yes, you are completely right, in fact i was in error, the ship i saw before it wasn't polish but duch, I was wrong with the flag

I read in the early war it was easy to go trought English Channel, at the entrance I sank a french merchant with 2 torpedos and some cannon hits, by now I am there, we'll see if I reach the assigned patrol area: AM69, it's day and whether is clear, at the return I'll do that way

[Sailor Steve]

thanks
what could be? 1000, 1500, 2000 meters? I play 71% realism
I never shoot at merchants from more than 1000 meters, 500 if possible. As for destroyers, I don't attack them at all. If I did, I would only shoot from 1000 meters or less, and only if he was passing in front of me and didn't know I was there. This is pretty funny because back in the Silent Service days I used to dogfight with destroyers. Of course in that game you were aware of the exact position of every ship and could shoot torpedoes from any depth.

mmm, isn't it right?
I always use the real-life rule that u-boats were absolutely forbidden to use the English Channel to transit to the Atlantic. In August 1939 they didn't want the Brits to know what they were up to, and after the war started they knew that the Royal Navy's largest base, Portsmouth, was in the Channel and the Dover end would almost certainly be mined.

[CherryHarbey]

This is pretty funny because back in the Silent Service days I used to dogfight with destroyers. Of course in that game you were aware of the exact position of every ship and could shoot torpedoes from any depth.

Ahh the memories, Silent Service II , let the destroyer know where you are, stay still, let him come towards you gun barrel straight and fire a torp at him 0 deg AoB. Pick off the merchants with your unlimited ammo deck gun.
Sorry for going off topic but I think we have all found Kiel now

[Sailor Steve]

Ahh the memories, Silent Service II , let the destroyer know where you are, stay still, let him come towards you gun barrel straight and fire a torp at him 0 deg AoB. Pick off the merchants with your unlimited ammo deck gun.
Sorry for going off topic but I think we have all found Kiel now
I would circle at 300'. I got very good at predicting where one would be and firing from there. I had a very good hit rate. When the game lets you cheat it becomes easy.

[Red Heat]

I wouldn't travel via "La manica" aka The Channel, be sure to find a load of RN Destroyers and Air Cover there. IIRC it was strictly forbidden to travel the Channel by U-Boots after the war began.

I travel this way:
http://www.abload.de/thumb/boot185o58.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=boot185o58.jpg)

Ahh...yes the classical voyage in to the Atlantic.
Its my route too...in the begining of the War! :salute:

[oppolo]

thanks, any tip is appreciated

now I am sudwest of Ireland, there is a convoy course sudwest but any attemps fail, i tried to set impact or magnet, 1 meter or 3 or 5 or....nothing, the torpedos always pass under keel, so, is it possible to hit some ship in rough water?

[Pisces]

It's tricky with bad weather, since the ships move up and down on the waves. Best bet is to fire at minimal depth and with magnetic detonator. If by any chance the enemy is at the bottom of a wave when the torpedo is about to cross paths, then it still can use the impact detonator on the side of the hull. Magnetic does not exclude impact. But there is a high chance it goes dud because it bounces off the curved path of the hull. In short, it's uncertain!

[sublynx]

If you use Stiebler's addon it's probably best not to try shooting at small ships in rough seas. The torpedo will just be thrown off course by the waves.

In vanilla and GWX I guess you could set the depth setting to 0 meters. That is very unrealistic, but as far as I know Stiebler's addon was the first modeling of the risk for a torpedo coming a surface runner.

[oppolo]

I have GWX+V16B1+SH3COMMANDER, I have read the user manual for V16B1 "torpedo failure fix", anyway it is very difficult to hit ships; with 7 torpedos I sank 3 ships, 2 torpedos lost and 1 bounced on the hull, one small ships took 2 torpedos for to sink, it had engines stopped and I took some hours for reload and rest the crew, I shoot torpedos with a deep of 7 or 8 meters with magnetic detonator. I couldn't use the desk gun because in rought water.

There was one war ship near, but I didn't hear the ping, it's october 1939, so I guess allied didn't still have sonar

[Sailor Steve]

There was one war ship near, but I didn't hear the ping, it's october 1939, so I guess allied didn't still have sonar
The do have it, and they use it. Their problem is, as it was in real life, that they can listen on their hydrophones or ping with the active sonar, but not both at the same time. If they think they know where you are they'll start pinging to get a precise fix. If they're not sure they'll ping sometimes but mostly just listen.

When there are two or more some will ping and some will listen.

[oppolo]

mmm, in rought condition I can't use the desk and flak guns (I have GWX) and to sink the last ship I would have had need it, but now I found this http://www.gamefront.com/files/20814061/GWX3_0_All_Weather_Guns_7z

I don't know anything about uboot so I ask you, where is realistic?

[Red Heat]

mmm, in rought condition I can't use the desk and flak guns (I have GWX) and to sink the last ship I would have had need it, but now I found this http://www.gamefront.com/files/20814061/GWX3_0_All_Weather_Guns_7z

I don't know anything about uboot so I ask you, where is realistic?

Hello

No i dont think its realistic i personal think the away witch is implemented in the GWX Mod its the nearest of the reality or more near from the true...

[Maceaciadh]

i think uboat's would have manned to deck guns in poor weather like 10m/s but not 15m/s. there would be a very good chance a wave would wash all your gun crew or indeed your ammo clean off the deck. if SH3 could model this (which i severely doubt it can) then yea it would be made realistic

[Red Heat]

From that point of view...i agree with you.
In this case i consider to be very near of the reality...and may be the game its very hard coded and its dificult to implemented in the game...if it was simple some one all ready made it...

[sublynx]

Heavy seas also affect the accuracy of the gun. Have you ever tried shooting while moving? Take a BB gun with you the next time you go on a boat trip. AFAIK, the guns on the U-boats didn't have any stabilizers or mechanisms that could have countered the movement caused by the sea.

[oppolo]

mmm, there was an unarmed merchant with engines broke because of a previous hit, and I was at 500 mt, the wind was 15 m/s, I had to go to 16 meters below the water for reload and then to sink the ship with a torpedo, mmm so,
do you think also in real should have done in this way because deskgun was really impossible to use? if so I'll take the GWX setup

another question, why when I am submerged I receive radio messages but I can't send ones? thanks a lot for your patience with a noob answering my questions

[sublynx]

The way you want to play is all up to you. I like to play in a way that is as historical as possible - that means to me that sometimes the weather is so bad that no combat is possible, even with the torpedoes. But someone else would find it dull playing a game and not being able to be active all the time. Do whatever you find the most fun :)

[Red Heat]

Outstanding, sublynx...
I make my words, your words Kommandant... :salute:

[oppolo]

The way you want to play is all up to you. I like to play in a way that is as historical as possible - that means to me that sometimes the weather is so bad that no combat is possible, even with the torpedoes. But someone else would find it dull playing a game and not being able to be active all the time. Do whatever you find the most fun :)

now my first mission during war time is finished, 23 sept-28 oct 1939, it was a so good feeling to enter in a friend sea heading Wilhelmshaven, listening to german sound files and watching from the deck german coast. "Ahead full" for to reach home as soon as possible, there was also the fanfare waiting for me.

No, it's not a problem for me if I can't act all the time, ok I keep GWX setup.

12 medals and 1 cross to give randomly to my crew.

I bought this game 2 years ago in bundle with a magazine, never played seriously until these days, it is a very good game.
now some rest and then ready for next mission.

thanks to all for helping me in my first war mission.

[grislyatoms]

I never shoot at merchants from more than 1000 meters, 500 if possible. As for destroyers, I don't attack them at all. If I did, I would only shoot from 1000 meters or less, and only if he was passing in front of me and didn't know I was there. This is pretty funny because back in the Silent Service days I used to dogfight with destroyers. Of course in that game you were aware of the exact position of every ship and could shoot torpedoes from any depth.


I always use the real-life rule that u-boats were absolutely forbidden to use the English Channel to transit to the Atlantic. In August 1939 they didn't want the Brits to know what they were up to, and after the war started they knew that the Royal Navy's largest base, Portsmouth, was in the Channel and the Dover end would almost certainly be mined.

You can get away with it in Sept. or Oct. 1939. After that, it's certain, sudden death.

[Sailor Steve]

You can get away with it in Sept. or Oct. 1939. After that, it's certain, sudden death.
You couldn't get away with it in real life. Even if you survived the passage your career would not survive your flaunting of orders.

[melnibonian]

You couldn't get away with it in real life. Even if you survived the passage your career would not survive your flaunting of orders.

Well said Steve :yep:

[Red Heat]

now my first mission during war time is finished, 23 sept-28 oct 1939, it was a so good feeling to enter in a friend sea heading Wilhelmshaven, listening to german sound files and watching from the deck german coast. "Ahead full" for to reach home as soon as possible, there was also the fanfare waiting for me.

No, it's not a problem for me if I can't act all the time, ok I keep GWX setup.

12 medals and 1 cross to give randomly to my crew.

I bought this game 2 years ago in bundle with a magazine, never played seriously until these days, it is a very good game.
now some rest and then ready for next mission.

thanks to all for helping me in my first war mission.

The must important of all...its you enjoy your first war patrol, get some experience, and return back to base. :up:

[grislyatoms]

You couldn't get away with it in real life. Even if you survived the passage your career would not survive your flaunting of orders.

I don't actually attempt it anymore. My first two patrols ever in vanilla SH3 saw me get through it but when I realized how heavily mined:o it is, haven't attempted it since...