Batman movie shooting

[Onkel Neal]

WTH? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577538292604705890.html

A gunman wearing a gas mask opened fire early Friday at a Colorado movie theater on the opening night of the latest Batman movie, killing at least 12 people and injuring at least 50 others, authorities said.

[kranz]

http://www.controlbooth.com/attachments/lighting-electrics/7107-batman-logo-gobo-bat-signal.jpg

[Dowly]

:down::down:

[Buddahaid]

I was wondering what 4D was going to be. I think I'll pass. :hmmm:

Seriously what a monster. Can't wait to hear what he has to say about himself. :stare:

[Hottentot]

Can't wait to hear what he has to say about himself. :stare:

"I'm special and you don't understand me. I'm doing you a favor."

That's what these guys usually seem to say about themselves, as far as I have bothered to read the rantings of those who have been literate in the first place.

[AVGWarhawk]

Sad day....really sad day....

[Aviv]

I was at work when a colleague told us this happened. It really brought me down because everything bad that's happened in the last week: Oil truck explosion in Nigeria, the suicide attack on Israeli tourists in Bulgaria, the Syrian situation and now this and more each day. I hope this lunatic stays in the news and we hear his reasons for doing this, and I hope all the victims finally know peace.

[BossMark]

Thats bad really bad :nope: my condolences to all the victims and their familys.

[Fubar2Niner]

I heard a baby and a youngster were both killed. Terrible news. :down:

[Ducimus]

Can't wait to hear what he has to say about himself. :stare:

Possiblities include:

My father abused me.
I was molested as a child.
People were always picking on me.
I played too many video games. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2du74Rqif1k) ( I used that as an example cause the airport scene surprised even me)
God made me do it.

The list goes on.

[Jimbuna]

Possiblities include:

My father abused me.
I was molested as a child.
People were always picking on me.
I played too many video games. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2du74Rqif1k) ( I used that as an example cause the airport scene surprised even me)
God made me do it.

The list goes on.

Agreed...I'm simply suprised it took so long for the news of this tragedy to be posted.

The world is looking 'more mad' with the passing of each new day :nope:

[kiwi_2005]

Shocking stuff. :nope:

[Skybird]

:nope:

A second Joker?

[Onkel Neal]

Agreed...I'm simply suprised it took so long for the news of this tragedy to be posted.

The world is looking 'more mad' with the passing of each new day :nope:


Yeah. Sometimes, something goes wrong in a person's mind. Very sad.

[mookiemookie]

They really should stop publicizing the identities of these whackjobs. They do it for attention and notoriety. Just refer to him as "a gunman" instead of his name.

[MH]

What is the matter with those people.:nope:

[Nippelspanner]

They really should stop publicizing the identities of these whackjobs. They do it for attention and notoriety. Just refer to him as "a gunman" instead of his name.

:yep:

[Task Force]

I heard he used a AR 15 assault rifle,now How the hell do you get a AR 15 into a theater and not get seen, Must have no security.

[Onkel Neal]

I think he went in the back, through an exit door.

[mookiemookie]

I heard he used a AR 15 assault rifle,now How the hell do you get a AR 15 into a theater and not get seen, Must have no security.

He bought a ticket and went in with everyone else. Then he went out through the exit, propped the door, came back in with the guns.

[Biggles]

Roughly a year after Breivik slaughtered his way through Utøya. One wonder if it was deliberately matched....?

A hideous act in any case, and a truly sad day. This week sure has been bad for good ol' Earth, let's hope a quick recovery for all wounded.

[Tribesman]

Just refer to him as "a gunman" instead of his name.
Wouldn't it be better to refer to him by name but insist that every use of his name has the words "stupid pathetic loser" attatched(or words to that effect)

[Skybird]

The names of perpetrators should not be withheld, so that the public knows whom to put the shame on.

What would be welcomed, though, is the media acting with more self-restraint in general. Less glitter. Less giving-them-a-stage. Less talkshows putting the victim-perpetrator-role 180° around, and distorting guilt by endlessly discussing it and trying to learn why a perpetrator became what he became. For too many media, such reasonable consideration serves only as an alibi to surf on such stories as long as possible.

[Jimbuna]

Does this state still have the death penalty then?

[Onkel Neal]

Good question. Hope so.

Tragedy within a tragedy, this young lady experienced a similar shooting before. (http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/)

Her Twitter feed shows how excited she was to see the film (http://twitter.com/jessicaredfield).

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/story/2012-07-20/jessica-redfield-ghawi-sports-journalist/56369600/1

[Harald_Lange]

I was like, hmm that's bad, another shooting, but that Twitter stream really hits home. https://mobile.twitter.com/jessicaredfield
really harrowing and another senseless waste of life that will effect families for the rest of their lives.

[Skybird]

Good question. Hope so.

Tragedy within a tragedy, this young lady experienced a similar shooting before. (http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/late-night-thoughts-on-the-eaton-center-shooting/)

Her Twitter feed shows how excited she was to see the film (http://twitter.com/jessicaredfield).

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/story/2012-07-20/jessica-redfield-ghawi-sports-journalist/56369600/1

That's the real nature of "chance" demonstrated: everything is possible. But it must feel grim for her parents and friends, no doubt.

Saw a pic of her in German news. Very friendly eyes, it appeared to me. Details like this give abstract events happening to strangers a personal face, suddenly.

Meanwhile it was reported for some time that the attacker indeed should have said something that he were "Joker". Police denied that soon after. But that he maybe saw himself as a real adversary to fictional Batman was the first thing that came to my mind, without any special reason.

[sidslotm]

I wonder, is it not time for a minimal gun law in the USA, I mean, an assualt rifle. How can a weapon like this ever be sold across the counter and justified in public hands. It has only one purpose, military.

[Morts]

I wonder, is it not time for a minimal gun law in the USA, I mean, an assualt rifle. How can a weapon like this ever be sold across the counter and justified in public hands. It has only one purpose, military.
I honestly dont see a problem with it anymore, i used to be semi anti-gun, and i believe i've even argued against weapons like these on here.
If a criminal wants an AR-15, he is going to get one, simple as that.
All of our gun control laws here in Denmark havent prevented the criminals from shooting eachother up with just about every type of weapon out there, at some point or another.

[Skybird]

I doubt any sharpening of gun laws in the US will happen. For Americans, it seems to be not so much a legal issue, but one of culture and attitude basing on the way the history of their country was born and formed, also an attitude towards not only guns, but violence in general. There is a wide abyss between Europeans and Americans opening up, like it also does regarding some basic terms like "freedom", for example.

I must admit, though, that on gun law understanding I have shifted in recent years towards something that is more American and less European. I tend to allow (licensed) possession of pistols and revolvers if according training gets done (obligatory), and hunting rifles. Military weapons, MPs, assault guns, semi-automatic weapons and stuff like that however should stay locked to where they belong: law enforcement and military.

My father does sports precision shooting, now exclusively 9mm pistol. At his club there also are some policemen training in their free time, and an Olympia shooter as well. The policemen say that internally police is shaking heads about more gun cintrol in Germany, because we already have the probably sharpest gun laws in Europe. The crime statistics for our town show that in just one case of murder in the past 50 years, a legal firearm was used - the others invlving firearms were carried out with unregistered illegal arms.

So, it seems there is substance in the argument that tougher gun laws do little, if anything, to lower crime rates that involve firearms, since gun laws only effect registererd, legal gun owners.

(As far as I'm concerned, pistol shooting is not my thing as a sports. I tend to see it as pourely a means of combat. Thus, doing it for sports is boring to me and does not catch my interest. Dissapointing for my father, but I cannot help it).

[Platapus]

I just don't understand what people get out of killing random people. :nope:

[Platapus]

I heard he used a AR 15 assault rifle,now How the hell do you get a AR 15 into a theater and not get seen, Must have no security.

Just a nit to pick, but it was an AR-15 There is no such thing as an AR-15 Assault Rifle. The AR-15 only looks like an assault rifle.

Unless he illegally modified it, the AR-15 is Semi-Automatic fire only.

A tiny nit that makes no difference to the people killed or their families. :nope:

[NeonSamurai]

Just a nit to pick, but it was an AR-15 There is no such thing as an AR-15 Assault Rifle. The AR-15 only looks like an assault rifle.

Unless he illegally modified it, the AR-15 is Semi-Automatic fire only.

A tiny nit that makes no difference to the people killed or their families. :nope:

It is an assault weapon though, and frankly a semi automatic AR-15 is just as dangerous as a selective fire M16.

[MH]

A tiny nit that makes no difference to the people killed or their families. :nope:

It actually puts it in the right perspective...calling it just AR is walk around.
They did not say it was MG.

[eddie]

It did have a 100 round drum magazine, hard to believe you can get a hold of something like that, but with the internet, anything is possible now days!

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12865072-colorado-shooter-used-shotgun-assault-style-rifle-with-100-round-drum-magazine?lite

[Buddahaid]

The SF Chronicle was just full of calls for "sensible" gun control laws which is fine by me, but we already have those and they only work for the "sensible" people. We have all kinds of laws on the books and they don't stop anyone from breaking them whenever they choose to. I could buy one of those AR15's privately inside a day or two if I wanted one and outside of the current sensible gun control laws so how will more laws change that?

[sidslotm]

I was like, hmm that's bad, another shooting, but that Twitter stream really hits home. Really harrowing and another senseless waste of life that will effect families for the rest of their lives.

All I can say is Lange has it right, these folks, the victims families, the people sitting near the victims will be sitting alone at some point in the future and this will return, shock like this never leaves a person they carry it forever.

I can understand a man who lives 50 miles for the nearest neighbour needing a gun or rifle, but assault rifles, madness. It's laughable when look at films where a fella has a cellar with his own personal armoury like Tremors, I laugh myself. But the brutal reality is these young people where all just starting out on their lives, the adventure had just begun only to be snuffed out by a lunatic with a gun fettish. It's about time the dead and rotting hand is cut off and buried as far as assault rifles are concerned.

[Stealhead]

Strict gun control laws wont stop a determined person or criminal from acquiring an illegal firearm.The 100 round C-magazines are not illegal in most states you can walk into a gun store and buy one if they have them.

Now what is more interesting to me is the fact that he had a Kevlar helmet (conturay to popular belief they are not actually bullet proof) a Kevalr vest (legal to a certain grade) neck and leg protectors (not legal as far as I am aware).

If you are going to ban one type of firearm because someone might use it to cause carnage you might as well ban them all.A killer could kill just as many people with a bolt action hunting rifle.

I see no evidence that this person had a gun fetish it seems to me that he was a nutcase that wanted to kill and cause carnage and he used guns to do it.If he had no guns he would have made homemade bombs or something of that nature he actually did have some rigged explosives so if he made pipe bombs should we ban hardware stores from selling pipes and nails?

I most certainly have sympathy for victims of such events but to go and ban firearms because it happened solves nothing.If they did get banned the next crazed person would just acquire them illegally or find another method to cause carnage.

The only way to effectively try to prevent such things in public locations would be to have better security.In the old days they had an usher in each theater all the time and they where always checking to make sure that people where not going out the fire exits.That was what allowed this gunman to attack he was able to come in a back door and put himself in a controlling position.If he had been forced to come in through the front of the building he would have attracted unwanted attention and been forced to attack in the lobby when most people where inside the theaters they would have been alerted and been able to escape via the fire exits.The movie theater had easily exploitable security.

[Jimbuna]

The authorities have neutralised at least three threats and are now inside the apartment:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18937726

@Neal...looks like the death penalty is an option:


In many states of this nation, James Holmes would spend the rest of his life in prison at the tax payers expense, even though there was no question about his guilt or premeditation of the act. Fortunately, Colorado reinstated the death penalty in 1975 and a jury can award it if deems the suspect deserves it. For the sake of all that is right and fair, we can pray that justice will be served quickly in this matter.


http://www.examiner.com/article/death-penalty-a-reality-for-colorado-gunman

[eddie]

Like others, I've called this guy a nutcase. To do something like this you would have to be insane! But, how insane is he?

Look at the planning that went into this senseless act. From the outfit he wore, to the weapons he had, including the gas grenade, plus the explosive devices he planted in his apartment. That is some serious planning to pull that off. Someone who just snaps and starts shooting, usually doesn't do a lot of detailed planning like this.

Going to be interesting how his mental state plays out in court.

[Stealhead]

I think he might have slipped over time he earned a masters in 2010 and spent some time looking for work without success then he enrolled in a phd program in CO that is very demanding and he was not doing well in the courses and ended up with drawing from the course.

Seems like this Holmes was a fairly successful student and ran into trouble it is also possible that he had mental issues that people where not even aware of and the stress of his recent failures caused mental issues that perhaps he had been able to restrain over take him.


I am not saying that is an excuse and even if he has serious mental issues he can still know right from wrong.Just because someone is a "nutcase" does not mean that they cant plan a course of action in their mind the goal seems logical.I personally do not think that any person simply "snaps" it is a process that takes time months or even years and they might plan for a long time before they act before they have the complete will to act.

@Jimbuna just because a state has the death penalty does not mean that they will carry it out. California has death but no man on death row has been put to death since 2006.Compare that to Texas and Florida FL executed an inmate in April 2012.Texas put a man to death just a few days ago.Colorado last put a man to death in 1997.In some states it is really symbolic(stupid if you ask me) in ohters you actually will be dead man walking.Some in Florida and Texas have only spent 2 or 3 years on death row.

[Jimbuna]

Like others, I've called this guy a nutcase. To do something like this you would have to be insane! But, how insane is he?

Look at the planning that went into this senseless act. From the outfit he wore, to the weapons he had, including the gas grenade, plus the explosive devices he planted in his apartment. That is some serious planning to pull that off. Someone who just snaps and starts shooting, usually doesn't do a lot of detailed planning like this.

Going to be interesting how his mental state plays out in court.

His actions may already prove in the end he wasn't actually insane :hmm2:

[RickC Sniper]

Colorado reinstated the death penalty in 1975 as Jim pointed out, but they\we have only executed one person since then, and we have 3 criminals currently on death row.
I predict this guy will get a death sentence, but whether it is ever carried out is questionable.

To qualify for the death sentence in Colorado you need only establish one of the following criteria. #12 certainly is in play here.

Colorado-
(1)The murder was especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or depraved (or involved torture)
(2) The defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death for one or more persons in addition to the victim of the offense
(3) The defendant killed the victim while lying in wait
(4) The murder was committed for pecuniary gain or pursuant to an agreement that the defendant would receive something of value
(5)The defendant caused or directed another to commit murder, or the defendant procured the commission of the offense by payment, promise of payment, or anything of pecuniary value
(6) The murder was committed to avoid or prevent arrest, to effect an escape, or to conceal the commission of a crime
(7) The defendant has been convicted of, or committed, a prior murder, a felony involving violence, or other serious felony
(8) The capital offense was committed by a person who is incarcerated, has escaped, is on probation, is in jail, or is under a sentence of imprisonment
(9) The victim was a government employee, including peace officers, police officers, federal agents, firefighters, judges, jurors, defense attorneys, and prosecutors, in the course of his or her duties
(10) The victim was an elected or appointed official or former official of the federal government, or local or state government, and the killing intentionally prevented the victim's official duties
(11)The murder was committed against a person held as a shield, as a hostage, or for ransom
(12)The defendant used chemical, biological, or radiological weapons and/or the person intentionally killed more than one person in one criminal episode
(13)The victim was a pregnant woman and the defendant intentionally killed the victim, knowing she was pregnant
(14)The defendant committed treason
(15)The defendant's possession of the weapon used to commit the class 1 felony constituted a felony offense under the laws of the state
(16)The defendant intentionally killed more than one person in more than one criminal episode
(17)The defendant committed the class 1 felony against the victim because of the victim's race, color, ancestry, religion or national origin

[Jimbuna]

What method is used in carrying out the death sentence?

[RickC Sniper]

lethal injection

[Stealhead]

Well Holmes falls under 1,2,and 12. I am surprised that there is not a specific code for the murder of a child.In Florida you can get death for severe sexual assault of a person under the age of 13 even if the victim does not die.

[Sailor Steve]

Just a nit to pick, but it was an AR-15 There is no such thing as an AR-15 Assault Rifle. The AR-15 only looks like an assault rifle.
Terminology changes with attitudes and time. Ninety-five years ago my bolt-action 03 Springfield was not only an assault rifle, it was the assault rifle of choice for the U.S. Army.

[eddie]

Has anybody heard how he was actually caught? Was he running towards his car to get away? I haven't heard or read anything on that. I knew he gave up without a struggle, but nothing more then that so far.

[RickC Sniper]

I believe he was just standing outside that exit by his car and surrendered when approached by officers. There was no struggle or incident.

[Stealhead]

According to a few sources he was outside and some law enforcement saw him and at first thought he was another SWAT but something about his kit was off and they stopped him.

Also he tried to join a gun range but the owner who Holmes had contacted by e-mail disliked how his voice mail sounded he advised his staff that if Holmes ever showed up at the range that he was to speak with Holmes immediately he felt something was off with Holmes based on the nature of his voice mail.

The 100 round magazine jammed on Holmes and he did not know how to un jam the weapon which very likely saved some lives good thing he did not buy 30 round magazines as they are highly reliable.

It sounds to as though Holmes planned to actually escape by blending in with the cops.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/explosives-removed-from-james-holmess-apartment-and-destroyed-officials-say/2012/07/22/gJQAL9XN2W_story.html

Read the first two pages it will stop you at the 4th page unless you create an account which is free but you can read it once without having to do so.

[Jimbuna]

lethal injection

Rgr that, cheers.

[Jimbuna]

Has anybody heard how he was actually caught? Was he running towards his car to get away? I haven't heard or read anything on that. I knew he gave up without a struggle, but nothing more then that so far.

According to BBC and Sky News he was squatting next to his vehicle and offered no resistance to the arresting officers.

[Ducimus]

I wonder, is it not time for a minimal gun law in the USA, I mean, an assualt rifle. How can a weapon like this ever be sold across the counter and justified in public hands. It has only one purpose, military.

I honestly dont see a problem with it anymore, i used to be semi anti-gun, and i believe i've even argued against weapons like these on here.
If a criminal wants an AR-15, he is going to get one, simple as that.
All of our gun control laws here in Denmark havent prevented the criminals from shooting eachother up with just about every type of weapon out there, at some point or another.

While I agree that (generally speaking) assault rifles are military in application, Gun control really isn't an answer. If someone has malice intent, they will get a gun one way or another. All gun control really does, is make it harder for law abiding people to protect themselves. Anyone with malice thought isn't exactly law abiding, they'll get their firearm in the end.

One thought is, if there were more people with concealed carry permits, random shooters like this guy (and the many others like him over the years) wouldn't get very far.

edit:
I doubt any sharpening of gun laws in the US will happen. For Americans, it seems to be not so much a legal issue, but one of culture and attitude basing on the way the history of their country was born and formed, .

Skybirds accurate here i think. The best gun control advocates could hope for is another assault rifle ban, but that's not exactly going to stop bad people. They'll use another gun, or they'll get their assault rifle by means other then walking into a gun store. If guns were to really be snuffed out here in America, gun control would have had to been exercised when we were still a British colony. For us, intergration of firearms into our culture started then, and continues to this day with the added iconic imagery from minutemen, to mountain men, to cowboys and the wild west, the list goes on. We are unique among nations in this regard i think.

[Paladincubano]

WTF???????

[troopie]

played too many video games. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2du74Rqif1k) ( I used that as an example cause the airport scene surprised even me)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2du74Rqif1k :nope:

I've never seen this before. It really saddens me. REALLY.

Video game? How is simulated public massacre able to be passed off as a video game? It looks like a common console game; xbox etc.

We're not talking an obscure niche here, this is mainstream stuff your kids have probibly played.

While I don't think this'll make your little johny reach for an asualt rifle I don't think there is any denying it can influence feeble/unstable minds?

[Ducimus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2du74Rqif1k :nope:

I've never seen this before. It really saddens me. REALLY.

Personally im just surprised they'd risk a possible public backlash on that part. of course this games been out for awhile. So any stink that was to be raised probably already was. Or, some future news article will do some expose on violence in video games (again), and cite it as an example.


Video game? How is simulated public massacre able to be passed off as a video game? It looks like a common console game; xbox etc.

The call of duty series is the very definition of generic First Person shooter now.

We're not talking an obscure niche here, this is mainstream stuff your kids have probibly played.

If kids have played it, they shouldn't have. Games aren't just made for kids anymore, but adults too. COD:MW2 has an ESRB rating of M, for Mature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_2
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

So its basically synonymous with a rated R movie. So letting your kid play a rated M video game, is like letting them watch a rated R movie. The funny thing is, many parents are more informed about movies then they are games, so they don't censor their kids games like their kids movies.


While I don't think this'll make your little johny reach for an asualt rifle I don't think there is any denying it can influence feeble/unstable minds?

Mental stabilty isn't age specific, so yeah i guess so.

[AVGWarhawk]

While I don't think this'll make your little johny reach for an asualt rifle

Assault rifles are available if Johnny wants one.

[Sailor Steve]

If guns were to really be snuffed out here in America, gun control would have had to been exercised when we were still a British colony.
It was exercised then, or at least attempted. That's what started the shooting war in the first place.

[Ducimus]

It was exercised then, or at least attempted. That's what started the shooting war in the first place.

So what your saying is, gun control NEVER had a chance. :O:

[eddie]

Have you seen Holmes in court? Looks wasted,lol I think its dawning on him as to how much trouble he is in,lol The video of him in court is in the middle of this page, red hair and all!!

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/23/12900488-theater-massacre-suspect-james-eagan-holmes-appears-in-colorado-courtroom?lite/

[antikristuseke]

People advocating for gun control only need to look at the marvelous successes that the war on drugs and the prohibition on alcohol have been.

[CCIP]

Have you seen Holmes in court? Looks wasted,lol I think its dawning on him as to how much trouble he is in,lol The video of him in court is in the middle of this page, red hair and all!!

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/23/12900488-theater-massacre-suspect-james-eagan-holmes-appears-in-colorado-courtroom?lite/

Two words that came to mind from watching his behaviour in court: "tripping balls".

That guy looks seriously insane :doh:

[Ducimus]

Have you seen Holmes in court? Looks wasted,lol I think its dawning on him as to how much trouble he is in,lol The video of him in court is in the middle of this page, red hair and all!!

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/23/12900488-theater-massacre-suspect-james-eagan-holmes-appears-in-colorado-courtroom?lite/


I can't wait to hear what BS excuse he tries to use to disavow responsibility.

[Betonov]

As much as the idea of having ordinary people allowed to have guns frightens me, I must admit that gun control does not work.

Slovenia has gun control. You might get permision, but after a long and grueling buerocratic war with the state. While that is good, less guns around, there is something I have to point out.

I own a store bought machette and a homemade machette.
A post WW2 bayonet.
An imitation special forces combat knife (able to kill just as the real deal).
A Victorinox swiss army knife (small but still deadly)
A kitchen knife set that has a long meat knife, a big chopping knife and an axe.
A small baseball bat
A pickaxe handle that is intendet to be used as a club
Jana (a friend) owns two replica katanas. When sharpened able to cause serius injury (gotta love that woman)

The above items are legaly bought and legaly owned. When I ought the machette I only had to show ID so the clerk knew I was over 18.
The above items are also an arsenal of a small medieval outpost.

If I wanted to buy a gun all I have to do is go to work tommorow. A lot of my coworkers are from the former republics and since the memory of the last Balkan war is still fresh they're heavier armed than the UN mission in the 90' there. A pistol will cost me €300. An AK-74 a bit more. And the customs are a joke.

Gun control doesnt work because the black market is more eficient than the free market and because I can kill someone with household items. Nice idea but useless, just like the UN.

[Ducimus]

As much as the idea of having ordinary people allowed to have guns frightens me, I must admit that gun control does not work.
.

http://www.boblonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=2088&go=4 (from 2007, not that Utah has that many shootings to begin with )

[Betonov]

he was a cop and an extra-ordinary person :03:

I'll just ad one more thing. The store in my village was robbed at gunpoint while I was in Rovinj. 150m from my home. Too close for comfort. While I'll never leave the house armed, I'll sure as hell keep a gun inside. There's an SUV parked outside the house. Gives of an idea of a wealthy fammily inside.

[Stealhead]

Gun control doesnt work because the black market is more eficient than the free market and because I can kill someone with household items. Nice idea but useless, just like the UN.

Someone could make a pipe bomb or other form of bomb with items from a hardware store and would not even attract any attention at or need to go through any screening as you do to buy a firearm.

With a homemade bomb one could possibly kill a large number of people with a fire arm a lone person might manage to kill a few dozen.If Holmes had made several pipe bombs and tossed them into that theater he very likely would have killed many more people in that confined space.

I am not so sure that the armed citizenry carrying a conceal carry would have been as viable in this case Holmes had on body armor which would have required several rounds possibly of pistol caliber ammo to stop him.Those guys in the North Hollywood bank robbery in 1997 did the same thing with body armor and the cops hand guns did nothing but annoy them.

In fact I do not think the idea of conceal carry stops any person from going on a killing spree or committing any crime in Colorado they have conceal carry it did not stop Holmes from his plan of action.There is always the chance that an of duty cop might be in a public place and armed as in many states they are required to carry their side arm at all times usually they conceal them.

[Jimbuna]

he was a cop and an extra-ordinary person :03:

I'll just ad one more thing. The store in my village was robbed at gunpoint while I was in Rovinj. 150m from my home. Too close for comfort. While I'll never leave the house armed, I'll sure as hell keep a gun inside. There's an SUV parked outside the house. Gives of an idea of a wealthy fammily inside.

I'll be around in the morning :)

[eddie]

Well, it looks like some folks in the jail, don't like him!!!Acting like a spoiled brat he's spitting at his door and on the floor, still not remorseful either. I think its time they release him into the general population of that jail,lol

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-jailed-solitary-inmates-talking-killing-article-1.1119173

[Jimbuna]

Could also be part of an 'insanity plot' :hmm2:

[Tribesman]

'insanity plot'
Is that the next film title in the franchise?

[Jimbuna]

I meant 'plea'

[Ducimus]

Well, it looks like some folks in the jail, don't like him!!!Acting like a spoiled brat he's spitting at his door and on the floor, still not remorseful either. I think its time they release him into the general population of that jail,lol

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-jailed-solitary-inmates-talking-killing-article-1.1119173


Nice photoshopped picture. This guy probably spends more time at his computer then any of us here.

edit:
On the suspect's first night in jail, other prisoners serenaded him with a chant of "kid killer"; a reference to the fatal shooting of a 6-year-old girl.

Yup, he's toast. I know child molesters don't last long in jail, stands to reason child killers last just about as long as a molester.

[Jimbuna]

Yup, he's toast. I know child molesters don't last long in jail, stands to reason child killers last just about as long as a molester.

It's almost a pity that the successful 'assassin' would go to death row for it.

[Betonov]

Well, at least chivalry is not dead yet

In final acts of valor, Jon Blunk, Matt McQuinn and Alex Teves used their bodies to shield their girlfriends as accused madman James Holmes turned the Aurora cineplex into a shooting gallery.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeties-article-1.1119395

[eddie]

It appears that the idea that he can plead insanity might be more difficult then he thought. Colorado has changed their laws on that like other states have-

"John Hinckley, Jr., escaped criminal punishment when he attempted to assassinate President Ronald Reagan to impress the actress Jodie Foster, but in the wake of his successful insanity defense, legislatures made it considerably more difficult for defendants to prevail on the grounds of mental incapacity. Under the law that existed at the time, defendants were not legally responsible even if they knew an action was wrong if they could show they were unable to resist the impulse to commit the act. After Hinckley's case, a number of states, including Colorado, amended their laws to permit a successful insanity defense only if the defendant did not know the difference between right and wrong. The upshot of this more stringent requirement is that defendants rarely prevail when they claim insanity."

That quote is from this article here-
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/24/12910443-in-aurora-massacre-trial-may-not-shed-much-light-on-motive?lite

[Jimbuna]

Well, at least chivalry is not dead yet



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeties-article-1.1119395

Three brave guys are though :hmmm:

[mapuc]

A sad thing happened i Copenhagen, Denmark earlier today and the circumstances around this, made me think of this thread

A psychological sick man aged 50 had committed suicide and built a sort of bomb trap, so they who would penetrate the door would be met by an explosion. It turned out that the grenade was German and from World War II. It was with real explosives, but thankfully no igniter. In the apartment police found several hand grenades from World War II.

Markus

[eddie]

Sure glad the grenade didn't explode. Its sad all the way around.

[krashkart]

That worthless scummy chicken fried piece of dog meat... :stare:

[Buddahaid]

Let's ban "assault" knives now.....

See how well this works?
http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-teen-kills-eight-knife-attack-reports-102629246.html