British police surrenders to PC, victims of gang rape pay the price for PC

[Skybird]

... and the perpetrators play the self-victimisation card, supported by Muhammeddan lobby groups.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3068/muslim-child-rape-gangs-britain (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3068/muslim-child-rape-gangs-britain)

In know from Berlin that the police most of the time refuses to take action against criminal family clans of many dozens and also sometimes several hundred members who came from Afghanistan and are engaged in organised crime in the city. It simply is too dangerous for the policemen, and they also fear of being accused of "racism". Needless to say they get social wellfare payments, to bolster social disadvantage.

The last friends I had in Berlin have left the city last week, now that theirm kids are of age to enter school. It is fair to say they fled the city and anti-German school-policy of the red-leftist senate. The father also got raided in the subway twice in the past four years. Police did not took much action when he described the attackers in both assaults as Oriental-looking juveniles.

So finally that'S it for me with Berlin. I doubt I will see the city again. It was okay in the 80s. Today, it is a dirthole with a burden of debts. One generation and one reunification - what a big difference it makes. Not everything has become better in Germany after reunification. Much has gone quite the other way.

[sidslotm]

and the perpetrators play the self-victimisation card, supported by Muhammeddan lobby groups.


Unfortunately PC has gripped England and probably Europe as well, certain subjects are now unofficially forbidden to be spoken of and filed under multi-culturism. I could make a list here, but it's pointless because they are just my personal opinions, fears and predudices.

Dam this subject will go deep if it's allowed to :)

[JU_88]

Ill never forget the headline in a local Gazette,
"Man wanted by police for assualting two school children on a bus"
Wow, he sounds like a monster, right?
Then I read the artical, the children (actually in their early teens) were playing music out loud on a mobile phone.
The man got into an argument with them, which resulted in him "assaulting" one with a pair of gloves and the other with a rolled up newspaper.
And yet the police want to speak to him? :/\\!!
I sure hope they just want to shake his hand. Thats what they would have done 40+ years ago.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Enfuriating. These monsters, whom theyve known about for a decade, got a pass to raping more children because the Police were afraid of getting called RACISTS? Anyone with half a brain could see that these monsters deserved ALOT more than what they got, based on the fact that they RAPED children of all ages, AND shot them up with drugs and alcohol. That fact theyre muslim does not factor into anything up until they RAPED little girls, and that a gang of all muslim immigrants are known to be conducting rape on a large scale.

Its so enraging to hear people back down because they fear being branded RACISTS by the Same sub-human scum that rapes and abuses innocent little girls. Not just with muslims either. Latinos have been playing the race card to waltz into countries and break every law we put in place to prevent it. If anybody says anything about it, theyre "racists". People need to wake up and smell the coffee. "Racist" is used so much its lost alot of its value and validity. You cant just turn a blind eye to criminals because they are a different color! Isnt that what were trying to do, break the color barrier? Muslims should get the same treatments as whites, and hispancs, blacks, gays, jews, christians, ANYBODY who commits an act like this, serial killers, Mass murderers, Mass rapists, all should equally be put to death.

[JU_88]

Enfuriating. These monsters, whom theyve known about for a decade, got a pass to raping more children because the Police were afraid of getting called RACISTS? Anyone with half a brain could see that these monsters deserved ALOT more than what they got, based on the fact that they RAPED children of all ages, AND shot them up with drugs and alcohol. That fact theyre muslim does not factor into anything up until they RAPED little girls, and that a gang of all muslim immigrants are known to be conducting rape on a large scale.

Its so enraging to hear people back down because they fear being branded RACISTS by the Same sub-human scum that rapes and abuses innocent little girls. Not just with muslims either. Latinos have been playing the race card to waltz into countries and break every law we put in place to prevent it. If anybody says anything about it, theyre "racists". People need to wake up and smell the coffee. "Racist" is used so much its lost alot of its value and validity. You cant just turn a blind eye to criminals because they are a different color! Isnt that what were trying to do, break the color barrier? Muslims should get the same treatments as whites, and hispancs, blacks, gays, jews, christians, ANYBODY who commits an act like this, serial killers, Mass murderers, Mass rapists, all should equally be put to death.

QFT

[Stealhead]

The only reason that political correctness is around is because enough people allow it. I have heard some people say that it is PC to ask a persons heritage even or to talk about heritage at all in any type of conversation lest some wiffle ball head get offended.Your very name is telling people a little something about your heritage so I guess that means that you cant use last names as someone might get offended.

There is a huge difference between using common courtesy and the rules of PC.


If you happen to be a wiffle ball head I am not sorry.

[sidslotm]

There is a huge difference between using common courtesy and the rules of PC.



Amen, common courtesy and common concent two of our greatest losses.

[Oberon]

The law should be the law, applied across the board whether you're Muslim, Christian, black, white, rich, poor, young or old.

It'll never be that way though. :dead:

[mookiemookie]

Good thing we have another Muslim bashing thread. There were only like 10 or 15 more on the first page of GT, so I was thinking we were gonna run out of them.

[HunterICX]

:sign_yeah:

It's getting quite tiresome

HunterICX

[Skybird]

One thread on the destruction of pyramides, one on the police standing by when girls get gang raped, one by Neal that got hijacked (or better it got subsimmised), one about sex slaves for sale - yes, 14 threads, exactly. I need a new calculator, mine seems to be broken.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Good thing we have another Muslim bashing thread. There were only like 10 or 15 more on the first page of GT, so I was thinking we were gonna run out of them.
whos bashing muslims? I wasnt. i was talking about these people, the ones who raped innocent girls, not about muslims in general. These people are using their religion to justify heinous acts, and it cant stand.

Aside from my rant i dont see the muslim bashing here. not applying to the generality of muslims, at least.

[XabbaRus]

Ah, the one time I pop back to the forum and Skybird is back to his favourite topic.

You see i don't deny that there are child rape gangs in the UK and that some of them are by asians, who are also muslim. There might not be any specific muslim bashing going on in this thread however Skybird hates Islam and muslims so anything that fits his theory gets promoted even if he doesn't blatantly say so it chimes with his point of view.

Now these scum bags have been dealt with by the law and convicted and publically acknowledged that there are some within the Asian community who feel it is OK to abuse white girls, as they are considered not worthy. There as far as I have seen no backlash to these comments made by an MP. Sure these guys wouldn't do it to their own ethnicity, however I don't see this as a specifically muslim issue but rather an asian issue due to the differences regard attitudes towards women.

[Skybird]

Ah, the one time I pop back to the forum and Skybird is back to his favourite topic.

You see i don't deny that there are child rape gangs in the UK and that some of them are by asians, who are also muslim. There might not be any specific muslim bashing going on in this thread however Skybird hates Islam and muslims so anything that fits his theory gets promoted even if he doesn't blatantly say so it chimes with his point of view.

Now these scum bags have been dealt with by the law and convicted and publically acknowledged that there are some within the Asian community who feel it is OK to abuse white girls, as they are considered not worthy. There as far as I have seen no backlash to these comments made by an MP. Sure these guys wouldn't do it to their own ethnicity, however I don't see this as a specifically muslim issue but rather an asian issue due to the differences regard attitudes towards women.
Believe it or not, what upset me when readin that news wa snot so much "Oh, Islam at it again", it was the cowardice and PC-disease that stunned the police and made it allowing gang rape and mass rape and prostituion of underaged girls taking place. It doe snot matter how is repsonsible for the crime - the police reaction is what upsets me. It psets me the mroe when nevertheless THEN comparing it to German plice also falling back in the face of organised big gang crime., In Germany, there are several huge family clans from Lebanon, Afghanistan and Kosovo that are no lopnger see the polcie enforcing the laws on them for the most, since it is too dangerous to confront them, and iof they go in , then they go in by the many dozens, from Berlin I know: even hundreds. But these "guests" at the same time get social wellfare payments, and they behave like scumbags and dirt and just carry on, always falling back to the "discrimination!" and "Freedom of religion" position when the police goes after them. Threy happen to be Musolims, yes. But I do not care. If they would be South Americans, I also would be pissed. I do not pay much taxes since i live by small money. But a tiny part of those payments goes into their pockets, that pisses me big time. I do not want to pay for them, and I do not want to pay for mega-sized polcie operaitons to counter these dirtbags. I want them being given the boot and flying in a huge balliostic curve form here back to the rotten places where they have come from and crawled under a stone. It's bad enough when raping and enforced prosituion takes place, and girl trading. It is somethign that really turns me into a dangerous moods if they do it with kids and teens.

This is what upset me over this story.

However, you mentioned the general status of women in Asian countries, and you said it is not specifically Islamic. Well, there you are partially right and partially wrong. While there are Asian and Oriental socieities where females' status is not at all adorable indeed, Islam also does not think any better of them, especially infidel girls/women, since they are infidels. To you it may be a purely ethnic or cultural thing, to me it is that PLUS a religious thing. And the relgions hinders the culture to reform and to chnage, and to arrive in the modern present - without the 1000 years of Islamic ifnleunce, thy wpould maybe be much better off today. One cannot imagine the identity of the present ME and Orient without the influence of over a thosuand years of Islam anyway, but you seem to seriously think that. To explicitly ruling out that Islam has formed that Asian or Oriental culture as it is today, is hilarious and again motivated by appeasing according to political correctness demands, so to not say something bad about Islam.

Happens a lot at court, btw. Rarely the husband not getting punished for having beaten his wife almost to death escapes the law due to his "Islamic identity". Instead, they call it his cultural background that should save hgim from beign held responsible according to the law of this country, and they cite the traditions and habits of the cultural place he comes from to defend his behaviour.

Everybody knows what is meant. But nobody dares to call it by its name.

It's dancing-on-eggs at its best.

[Safe-Keeper]

Ah, the one time I pop back to the forum and Skybird is back to his favourite topic.How much would we have to donate for a forum where Skybird can debate "The muslim problem" at his leisure, leaving GT in peace?

[Sailor Steve]

How much would we have to donate for a forum where Skybird can debate "The muslim problem" at his leisure, leaving GT in peace?
1. As he just explained, in this case he was talking about police reaction to a very real crime. Or did you not read his last post?

2. GT is not about peace, and never has been. The only way GT will ever know peace is if politics and religion are banned from discussion here.

Bottom line: Mookie read something that wasn't there, and complained about something that wasn't there, and several people have decided on their own that this was yet another Muslim-bashing thread. Go back and re-read Sky's first post, and show me where he is attacking Islam.

[MH]

GT is not about peace, and never has been. The only way GT will ever know peace is if politics and religion are banned from discussion here.


yes brave new wonderful world...

[Tribesman]

Bottom line: Mookie read something that wasn't there, and complained about something that wasn't there, and several people have decided on their own that this was yet another Muslim-bashing thread. Go back and re-read Sky's first post, and show me where he is attacking Islam.
Read it again yourself.
Perhaps Sky could do a topic about the huge Belgian child sex scandal that the police did nothing about because they didn't want to be seen upsetting the people and the groups involved. But of course it isn't immigrants and it isn't muslims so there is no scope for him there.
So until then its just another of his its the moosleems topics.

[mookiemookie]

1. As he just explained, in this case he was talking about police reaction to a very real crime. Or did you not read his last post?

2. GT is not about peace, and never has been. The only way GT will ever know peace is if politics and religion are banned from discussion here.

Bottom line: Mookie read something that wasn't there, and complained about something that wasn't there, and several people have decided on their own that this was yet another Muslim-bashing thread. Go back and re-read Sky's first post, and show me where he is attacking Islam.

Let's be honest, Steve. Would Skybird have posted this if it wasn't a story from his Islamophobic website that didn't involve a roving gang of Muslim rapists? My money's on no. The implication here is clear - Muslims are dangerous criminals, and Europe is on eggshells trying to cater to them and just generally being PC weenies.

Besides, I could have posted my comment in any one of our other multitude of Muslim bashing topics. It's not like we have a shortage of them.

[NeonSamurai]

2. GT is not about peace, and never has been. The only way GT will ever know peace is if politics and religion are banned from discussion here.

You forgot about sex, gender, science, and virtually any other topic you can think of. So the only way we would ever have peace here is to bar anyone from posting to begin with.

[mookiemookie]

You forgot about sex, gender, science, and virtually any other topic you can think of. So the only way we would ever have peace here is to bar anyone from posting to begin with.

New GT rule: The only posts allowed are pictures of cute kittens and puppies?

[Tribesman]

The implication here is clear - Muslims are dangerous criminals, and Europe is on eggshells trying to cater to them and just generally being PC weenies.

I found the subway one more interesting.
Someone got robbed twice on the subway in a huge city during a 4 yeatr period. Thats not bad going really.
As for the police reaction to that?
Low level street crime with a worthless description of the criminals. Was there any surprise at all in the police reaction? The "colour" of the criminals makes no differece at all to the police reaction as you could have described two white berliners and the police would give the same reaction.
Same with the organised crime gangs, thats par for the course whatever jurisdiction you are in and whatever the "ethnicity" of the gangs.
Taking action is always tricky and securing a conviction is even harder.

Everyone should be able to understand those truths as they are so basic, however some people are not willing to understand those truths because they have their own agenda, in this case its about muslims and immigrants and nothing more.

[Sailor Steve]

Read it again yourself.
Perhaps Sky could do a topic about the huge Belgian child sex scandal that the police did nothing about because they didn't want to be seen upsetting the people and the groups involved. But of course it isn't immigrants and it isn't muslims so there is no scope for him there.
So until then its just another of his its the moosleems topics.
Was there a huge Belgian child sex scandal that the police did nothing about? If not, then you, as you always like to put it, have no point.

Let's be honest, Steve. Would Skybird have posted this if it wasn't a story from his Islamophobic website that didn't involve a roving gang of Muslim rapists? My money's on no. The implication here is clear - Muslims are dangerous criminals, and Europe is on eggshells trying to cater to them and just generally being PC weenies.
What you or I think he would have done is irrelevant, as is where you put your money. The fact is that he complained about police having different standards for different groups.

Besides, I could have posted my comment in any one of our other multitude of Muslim bashing topics. It's not like we have a shortage of them.
Perhaps you should have. In this thread it was unwarranted and off-topic.

[Sailor Steve]

You forgot about sex, gender, science, and virtually any other topic you can think of. So the only way we would ever have peace here is to bar anyone from posting to begin with.
Or close GT.

[Oberon]

Or close GT.

It'd just spread to the other forums. At least here it's all gathered together in one spot.

[mookiemookie]

Perhaps you should have. In this thread it was unwarranted and off-topic.

I disagree. The implication and intent was very clear here.

[NeonSamurai]

New GT rule: The only posts allowed are pictures of cute kittens and puppies?

No I am liable to ban people for stuff like that :O:

[Blood_splat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0 :D

[Sailor Steve]

I disagree. The implication and intent was very clear here.
Where exactly? I didn't see it until people started making the association, and I still have to squint real hard to see it that way.

On the other hand even though I check every thread every day I tend to skim over ones that don't interest me. Maybe some others should do the same.

[Tribesman]

If not, then you, as you always like to put it, have no point.

If not?????
which one of several would you like?
300,000 people protesting against the police, courts and politicians for their inaction might just raise a blip on the radar.
For that matter you can easily pick any of a dozen countries off hand where similar problems have arisen...only its not Muslims or immigrants so its not good to go.

[Sailor Steve]

If not?????
which one of several would you like?
300,000 people protesting against the police, courts and politicians for their inaction might just raise a blip on the radar.
For that matter you can easily pick any of a dozen countries off hand where similar problems have arisen...only its not Muslims or immigrants so its not good to go.
But Skybird only attacked the 'Police PC' point. You seem as obsessed with him as he does with Islam.

My point is that anyone can just not read the thread. This one didn't deserve the attacks it got.

[Tribesman]

But Skybird only attacked the 'Police PC' point
Did he really?
Yet the police say it wasn't PC and the courts say the credibility of the witnessess was what had prevented earlier prosecution.

supported by Muhammeddan lobby groups.

Hmmmm...yet ther article cites lots of other sources, if you look at the stories the article is based on you see its lots of muhameddan groups condemning the criminals.

In know from Berlin that the police most of the time refuses to take action against criminal family clans of many dozens and also sometimes several hundred members who came from Afghanistan and are engaged in organised crime in the city.
They also do the same with the Russian and Chinese gangs and the Danish gangs and the German gangs.
Which makes the Afghanis only different because of what?

Needless to say they get social wellfare payments, to bolster social disadvantage.

Oh no, criminals on the fiddle, stop the press hold the front page.
Is he complaining about Romanians fiddling the welfare? No. The spanish? No.

Police did not took much action when he described the attackers in both assaults as Oriental-looking juveniles
Ethnicity of the criminals is irrelevant, that result is par for the course with low level street crime anywhere.

Several poeple have said the law is the law and should be applied evenly, the problem is sadly that is the case as it is evenly applied not very well.
The police and courts screw up all the time and don't pursue criminals as they should, and that is across the board regardless of ethnicity or location or anything else.
So the ethnicity is almost entirely irrelevant to the story apart for those who have a serious problem with it like the OP does.

But hows about another question for you to consider?
According to the sources the article is using the British police have arrested and the courts have prosecuted 17 other such child rape gangs in the past couple of years.
If they are managing to prosecute and convict 17 other gangs how credible is the claim that they willl not prosecute because of fears it is not PC to do so?


This one didn't deserve the attacks it got.
And Zeewolf only posted a story about a maritime incident didn't he, there is nothing at all untoward with making a post about naval history is there?

[Sailor Steve]

Did he really?
Yet the police say it wasn't PC and the courts say the credibility of the witnessess was what had prevented earlier prosecution.
A valid arguing point. So why didn't you argue it in the first place instead of attacking the member who posted it?

Hmmmm...yet ther article cites lots of other sources, if you look at the stories the article is based on you see its lots of muhameddan groups condemning the criminals.
So the article says. Did Skybird say it. I accuse you of guilt by association.

They also do the same with the Russian and Chinese gangs and the Danish gangs and the German gangs.
Which makes the Afghanis only different because of what?
He quoted that particular article. You grabbed the ball and ran with it.

Oh no, criminals on the fiddle, stop the press hold the front page.
Is he complaining about Romanians fiddling the welfare? No. The spanish? No.
So? He posted a link that you didn't like. He himself didn't mention anything but the PC aspect. Again, you didn't discuss or argue, you, along with others, just attacked. Nobody makes you read things you don't like. So why not put him on your Ignore List? Because you like to screw with people, especially him.

Ethnicity of the criminals is irrelevant, that result is par for the course with low level street crime anywhere.

Several poeple have said the law is the law and should be applied evenly, the problem is sadly that is the case as it is evenly applied not very well.
The police and courts screw up all the time and don't pursue criminals as they should, and that is across the board regardless of ethnicity or location or anything else.
So the ethnicity is almost entirely irrelevant to the story apart for those who have a serious problem with it like the OP does.
So ignore him, or argue with him. You don't do either. You attack and insult. It seems to be your hobby.

But hows about another question for you to consider?
According to the sources the article is using the British police have arrested and the courts have prosecuted 17 other such child rape gangs in the past couple of years.
If they are managing to prosecute and convict 17 other gangs how credible is the claim that they willl not prosecute because of fears it is not PC to do so?
Again, a good arguing point. So why didn't you argue it in the first place?

And Zeewolf only posted a story about a maritime incident didn't he, there is nothing at all untoward with making a post about naval history is there?
Are you accusing Skybird of having the same tendencies as Zeewolf? If so, prove it. If not, quit trolling.

[Tribesman]

So why didn't you argue it in the first place instead of attacking the member who posted it?

All the information was there in the link, why should I point at stuff that is already in plain sight?

So the article says. Did Skybird say it.
The quote is skybird.

He quoted that particular article.
No that bit on welfare was by him.

So? He posted a link that you didn't like.
Think again. I like it when people use links like that.

He himself didn't mention anything but the PC aspect.
Read again.

Again, a good arguing point. So why didn't you argue it in the first place?

Because it is self evident that the other arguement didn't stand, so it shouldn't have to be pointed out.
It only gets raised when people are steadfastly refusing to look or think.

Are you accusing Skybird of having the same tendencies as Zeewolf?
No, as I have said, I think Skybird is more dangerous than Zeewolf.

If so, prove it. If not, quit trolling.
Would you like a list of flat out lies and crazy conspiracy theories he repeats on the same subject again and again due to his hatred of muslims?

[Skybird]

Eh, Steve, sorry for disturbing you, but when you are done here please switch off the light and lock the door when leaving, we others are in the pub already.

;)

[Sailor Steve]

All the information was there in the link, why should I point at stuff that is already in plain sight?
Because that would be discussing the subject. What you did was trolling.


The quote is skybird.
Not in his original post. He didn't mention Islam until after the attacks started.

No that bit on welfare was by him.
Again after the attacks started.

Think again. I like it when people use links like that.
Because it gives you an excuse to go on the attack again. You didn't like the link itself, just that he used it.

Read again.
In his original post, before the attacks began, he didn't mention Islam at all. You read again.

Because it is self evident that the other arguement didn't stand, so it shouldn't have to be pointed out.
It only gets raised when people are steadfastly refusing to look or think.
In a discussion nothing is ever self-evident. You only used it as an excuse to dump on somebody rather than argue with them. Again, trolling at its worst, which seems to be your forte most of the time. You get away with it because you're smart enough to be subtle about it.

No, as I have said, I think Skybird is more dangerous than Zeewolf.
Fair enough, but you need to actually talk about it rather than this constant sniping.

Would you like a list of flat out lies and crazy conspiracy theories he repeats on the same subject again and again due to his hatred of muslims?
No, and in some ways I agree with you. The difference is I tend to either argue with him or ignore him. Disagreeing and proving points is the proper way to go about it. Sniping, attacking and dismissing without actually contributing is not.

[Sailor Steve]

Eh, Steve, sorry for disturbing you, but when you are done here please switch off the light and lock the door when leaving, we others are in the pub already.

;)
I'm not involved with or concerned with this discussion beyond pointing out proper behaviour on these forums. I wouldn't have posted at all if not for that.

[Tribesman]

Not in his original post. He didn't mention Islam until after the attacks started.

First line, first post.:yep:
Again after the attacks started.

Third line, first post.:yep:
In his original post.....
Done.:yep:
Because it gives you an excuse to go on the attack again. You didn't like the link itself, just that he used it.

I like the link because firstly it is a regular dodgy source, secondly it manages to convey just what it wants, thirdly it manages to link to the real information which shows it to be a dodgy source and pushing its own agenda while kindly supplying the information it is twisting.
It means it is easier to get to both the actual issue and to the issue as it is being portrayed.

In a discussion nothing is ever self-evident.
They are when the claims are self refuting.

Fair enough, but you need to actually talk about it rather than this constant sniping.

Let me clarify that further.
Neo nazis "ideas" and their Jewish conspiracies are mainly seen as a sad pathetic joke by just about everyone who isn't a neo nazi.
Rabid islamophobes with their combination of half truths distortions and outright fabrications are often able to sound quite credible until you actuallty examine them which is why their claims should be challenged more strongly than the rantings of some crazy white supremacists.
Their agenda I would probably put on par with the hate filled muslim fundamentalists and their crazy ideas.
But with the slight exception that the crazy muslims fundys (despite the silly eurabia conspiracy theory some rabid islamophobes spout) have no chance of gaining any actual influence in europe, while the rabid make it up as they go along islamophobes are actually having an influence on western society and western politics, which really makes them more dangerous to europe than the backwards wahibis.

No, and in some ways I agree with you.
And on some things I agree with him.
But two examples of subjects spring to mind
On Islam I don't agree as he constantly repeats the same rubbish long after it has been shown as untue.
On the EU I would agree with much of his gist but draw the line in that he simply makes up "facts" and insists they are true, and even worse he makes up "facts" when the truth is more than enough to thoroughly do the job.