Mayor Bloomberg is an idiot and dangerous

[Bubblehead1980]

I just can not see where this guy gets off, he really is a dangerous fool.NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg is showing his dictatorial tendencies yet again in trying to push a ban on "large sized" soda, tea etc in NYC in order to fight the obesity problem.Sounds like a decent plan but this is yet another affront to one's freedom of choice in the Big Apple, people have the right to chose if the business offers it.Bloomberg pretends to be an "independent" but is nothing more than a left wing hack, given his hatred of the 2nd amendment rights, really shows what a dangerous fool this man is.Hope NYC is smart enough to get rid of him soon.

[Oberon]

No Obama? I am disappoint... :wah:

[Takeda Shingen]

Okay. But if I am in the same insurance pool as you, I do not see why it should be my burden to pay for your lifestyle choices. If someone's poor diet and lack of exercise resulted in heart disease, I do not see it as my responsibility to help pay for their blood pressure medication. Dangerous fools indeed.

[Skybird]

I read it today. 2007, 1 in 8 New Yorkers had diabetes. Today, 1 in 2 is suffering from obesiety, which also produces high costs to the health system.

I claim that white refined sugar does more damage to the health system and people's health, than tobacco or alcohgol or drugs. Beside salt (in to huge quanties) and bad fats, it is one of the three major poisons you can legally buy in supermarkets today. Where the problem is not so much the substance in itself (although white sugar NEVER is healthy or needed by your body, the body naturally needs other forms of sugars), but the immense overdose by which it is consumed.

So, for once I must agree with this food regulation. If you drink soft drinks in huge quantities, then this is a problem. For your body. And for the finances of the health system. And the people needing to watch you when you are too fat - from some size on it is no pleasant view anymore, really. From some size on, it is an offence to the eye.

Damn, now I said something unpolite again. I'm so sorry.

[vienna]

I'm sorry; I was drinking my Super Big Gulp and I wasn't paying attention... :D

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[Tribesman]

If this went ahead on a larger scale would it mean less government subsidies being spent on making people fat?

[Falkirion]

Has he defined what drinks fall under this "Large sized" sodas ban?

[Platapus]

But tobacco and alcohol products can still be sold.:doh:

If the goal is to control that which causes higher health risks/health costs, I would imagine there are other areas of higher priority.

While the intention is laudable, the government should not be taking this action.

Note the day: 31May12. Bubblehead and I are in agreement. :up:

[vienna]

Note the day: 31May12. Bubblehead and I are in agreement. :up:



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[Skybird]

But tobacco and alcohol products can still be sold.:doh:

If the goal is to control that which causes higher health risks/health costs, I would imagine there are other areas of higher priority.

Sugar is the most underestimated risk factor. I rate it as more damaging to health costs than tobacco or alcohol or drugs.


Has he defined what drinks fall under this "Large sized" sodas ban?

Drink sizes greater than 478 ml (16 onc) that use no sweeter but sugar: coffee, soft drinks, tea, "fruit" juice - if they use sugar.

Pardon. I must always laugh when I am in a supermarket and see those "fruit" juices. Most are more liquidised candy than "fruit". :DL

[u crank]

Problem: Large sized sodas banned.

Solution: Buy more than one.:D

[Stealhead]

Depending on unit price you might wind up getting more sugar for less money by buying two smaller sodas vs. one large one.

Skybird is right about most "juices" sold in stores they are really flavored sugar more or less.

Those measures wont solve much people will either buy the more than one item to get more than 16 oz or they will use a lot of those sugar packets.

[Platapus]

Cubs win World Series;

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Now you are just being unrealistic. :D

[Armistead]

None of these regulations work, cept get all the junk food out of schools since they're tax dollars. Heck, kids today hardly have gym, our gym teachers exercised the mess out of us.

They say disease related to obesiety in the next 20 years will triple the cost of medicare/caid....and it's already trillions in debt.

Why they need to keep pot illegal, makes you eat and legalize crack that makes you skinny...:O:

[Bubblehead1980]

But tobacco and alcohol products can still be sold.:doh:

If the goal is to control that which causes higher health risks/health costs, I would imagine there are other areas of higher priority.

While the intention is laudable, the government should not be taking this action.

Note the day: 31May12. Bubblehead and I are in agreement. :up:

Glad have seen the light.:arrgh!:

[Onkel Neal]

Okay. But if I am in the same insurance pool as you, I do not see why it should be my burden to pay for your lifestyle choices. If someone's poor diet and lack of exercise resulted in heart disease, I do not see it as my responsibility to help pay for their blood pressure medication. Dangerous fools indeed.


As an out-of-shape guy, I agree. Insurance should be scaled on risk. And as a motorcycle guy with little patience for slow-arsed cars, I'm probably in the top risk bracket :(

But I may cut back on the snacks if my insurance tripled.

[Sailor Steve]

Great. More objective and unbiased appraisals from the forum sage.

[Tribesman]

But tobacco and alcohol products can still be sold.:doh:

Terms and conditions apply.
In fact on one part its pretty similar terms and conditions covering size content and location.

Problem: Large sized sodas banned.

Solution: Buy more than one.:D
See its a win win situation, if people still want to guzzle 64oz of HFCS sweetened crap they have to walk back to the counter for a refill or three.
The mayor is simply encouraging exercise for the extrasized.

[Gorduz]

The main problem here is simply government subsidies of corn farming which is used to produce high fructose corn syrup, making sweets cheaper that they ought to be, and preventing farmers from switching to more healthier crops...

I have nothing against this ban, but I don't think it will help. I do bellieve in a high suger tax to let the sugar happy people pay for their own hospitalization.

[Bubblehead1980]

I am often amazed at how much power people are willing to give to the government, just makes me shake my head in shame that this way of thinking has managed to become fairly common in this country.Some blowhard like Bloomberg does not know what is best for every individual , but of course people like him do not care about individuality, it's all about the "collective", people like Bloomberg are dangerous.Cola in moderation does no harm, BUT that is an individual choice, to have a small or large, no government entity should be able to limit that and force a business to no offer the size customers want.Like I said, if the business chose to make 16 oz their largest serving, fine, they can suffer the revenue loss, but the government has no role here, once again a huge overreach from government.I have enjoyed my visits to NYC but their nanny state there is astounding, all the cameras etc in the name of "security" and of course the sheeple mostly play along.Really hope Bloomberg never runs for the Presidency, with all his money he would prob have a shot, what a dangerous A hole of a President he would be, most likely more dangerous than the one we have now.

[HunterICX]

And as a motorcycle guy with little patience for slow-arsed cars

You too :D
and people that don't focus on the road...:shifty:

HunterICX

[Skybird]

Depending on unit price you might wind up getting more sugar for less money by buying two smaller sodas vs. one large one.

Skybird is right about most "juices" sold in stores they are really flavored sugar more or less.

Those measures wont solve much people will either buy the more than one item to get more than 16 oz or they will use a lot of those sugar packets.

Why? In supermarkets all these 1 gallon canisters still can be bought. The ban is on hand-held opoen drinks bought in for examples bistros, cinemas, theatres, and such. Supermarkets remain unaffected, and that means private households will not chnage.

I would have chosen another way. Stamp a 500% tax on top of the bottle if it contains more than a minimum of refined sugar. Helps public finances for some time. Makes people hesitent.

And as somebody mentioned, subsidies. Stop subsidizing crop for sirup production.

Ach was, stop subsidies alltogether.

[MH]

Yeah...keep people on diet through taxes.

I would adjust the prices according to daily consumption of calories needed for human body and nutrition values.:arrgh!:
Every body would be thin and happy like in NK..... want to get fat then sell your house.
Problem solved.:haha:

[Tribesman]

I am often amazed...blah blah blah....than the one we have now.
When you grow up walk into a pub or a restaurant, ask for a pint of vodka.
bloody government telling people what size drinks they can serve in their business premesis:doh:
I do like your "revenue loss" angle though, numbers not your strong ponit either then:rotfl2:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Maybe he has a stake in a soft drink company - make people buy two drinks where previously they'd buy one. I'm guessing that the larger one is by volume comparatively cheaper so more income.

Maybe it's a pollution thing, if I bought a bucket of soda and couldn't finish it then it'd be poured down the nearest drain or sink, in your sewers - supersizing your rats. Or giving them diabetes. :hmmm:

[yubba]

Sell it by the pitcher, half 32 oz, full 64 oz, and at fast food they can give us a cup and have the soda fountain as self serve where you can get as much as you want. I am so glad that I left New York State, New York is the posterchild of what's wrong with our government. You do know what's coming next, they are going to tell you how much beer you can have.

[Stealhead]

They do already have you never seen someone turned away from a bar for being too drunk?I have hell I got barred along with a buddy from entering a bar in Kaiserslautern Germany once because we we where too drunk.I am sure the fact the we walked down the street more in the manner of crabs than humans had something to do with man out front saying "Nien".

Too bad that you live in Florida where all the New Yorkers move to and bring their nanny laws with them.

[gimpy117]

Cubs win World Series;


Okay the other ones i could believe but....


oh also...i say good on the large soda ban. It's probably one of the biggest reasons we're fat. Why? not because people choose to drink a giant sized soda with all it's calories; it's because they don't know it has 800 calories worth of corn syrup in it.