No swearing in War Movies?

[P_Funk]

So here I am, watching Flags of our Fathers on AMC. Its the war weekend when we celebrate their sacrifice, watch war movies, yadd yadda. I haven't seen this one yet so I'm excited. What do I hear to my dismay? Everyone is saying shoot and darn, I mean... darn that guy who I just cut up with a bayonet with all that squishy sounding detail, the guy with his guts hanging out, watching human bodies explode by the dozen... yea... darn thats some intense stuff. I'm sure glad that nobody is swearing though. It may give people the wrong idea. :doh:

Whats even funnier, is this is the channel that shows Breaking Bad totally uncensored.

How does this make any sense at all?

Now I know the inevitable "Do you really need swearing to enjoy a movie?" argument is inbound, but really what annoys me most of all is the fact that its obviously dubbed. Its as distracting as a black bar over someone's eyes. I'd be cool if the movie was made with no swearing but seeing the gore accompanied by the censored language makes me giggle.

I just heard as I'm typing this "Its a [frriggin] slaughter" bracketed word being a dub, and 2 seconds later arty lands on the man who watched his language and his severed head lands on the guy he was talking to, no cut made to spare us that nasty detail.

I remember being 8 or 10 years old swearing with my friends at school. I tell you one thing I didn't see at that age: exploding bodies. Why are we censoring the stuff everyone is exposed to at an early age and allowing us to experience the grusome stuff that exists at the furthest end of human cruelty?

I don't get it. Do you guys think a few swear words do more harm to our culture than wholesale gore?

[Stealhead]

Go buy the DVD/Bluray problem solved.

If networks do as they do in the US then they will edit out language before a certain hour 10PM I think it is (not sure I don't watch much network TV) only the premium channels like HBO will show language 24/7.

Who says that everyone uses curse words in a war? Hollywood?:hmmm:

You are lucky I was not allowed to use such language as a kid or even a teenager I might have done so here and there among friends but I never dared to do so in front of my mother or father.
My father fought in Vietnam and he saw terrible violence still he disproved of foul language.

Really though if you want a movie uncut you have to buy a copy.

[P_Funk]

Who says that everyone uses curse words in a war? Hollywood?:hmmm:
My point is that they show decapitated human bodies without any attempt at censorship, but everyone has to say gosh darn in the same frame.

Its strange what they choose to censor. I'm looking at chewed up hamburger meat that used to be human beings at 5pm. :P

[Stealhead]

No you are looking a fake special effect of a severed human head.

Everything most networks do is strange if you ask me.

Complain to the network tell them that they are being contradictory.

[Sailor Steve]

Go buy the DVD/Bluray problem solved.
:yep:

My father fought in Vietnam and he saw terrible violence still he disproved of foul language.
When I was in the navy we swore "like sailors", as the saying goes, but never in front of the officers and never in front of civilians, especially women and children. Nobody ever mentioned it, but it was an unwritten rule we lived by. Today I hear high-school girls use "language that would make a sailor blush" and sometimes I do. People will argue that there's nothing wrong, it's just words, but if it's just words then why insist on using meaningless words that serve no purpose.

But that wasn't what the thread was about, and I apologise for digressing.

Really though if you want a movie uncut you have to buy a copy.
Or get HBO. But the point is the same. For all the progress that's been made, commercial television still has certain standards they have to live by.

[Rilder]

I don't get it. Do you guys think a few swear words do more harm to our culture than wholesale gore?

I dunno, maybe ask those people who think showing a little nudity does more harm then wholesale gore?

but if it's just words then why insist on using meaningless words that serve no purpose.

Why do some people insist on using words like "Darn" or "Bloody" or "Oh Crap"? Its just a part of the way some of us talk. Just like how some people use the word "Like" eighty times in a sentence or people who repeat "So" over and over between sentences.

I say an "obscenity" almost every sentence, doesn't matter who I'm talking to, I just do. Its the way I talk and if someone takes issue, then they can remove themselves from my presence because I'm not going to stop just for them.

[Stealhead]

I say an "obscenity" almost every sentence, doesn't matter who I'm talking to, I just do. Its the way I talk and if someone takes issue, then they can remove themselves from my presence because I'm not going to stop just for them.

I disagree with your opinion there is a time and place for certain language and in some places it is the law in effect.If you ever go to court and use foul language in front of a judge don't be shocked if you wind up in jail.I should say that in some states and cities you actually can get fined for it.


You are also fully following the Subsim policy on language thus far.:hmmm:


Relying on foul words also limits your vocabulary there are a multitude of far more expressive ways of saying something without using foul words.

For example one could say " I am going to kick your bass"(extra letter at the front) you could instead say "I am going to decimate you" that is much more accurate and you do not have not actually kick someone in the rear which does not really do very much harm anyway.

I dont know about you but I'd rather get kicked in the rear than decimated.

[Rilder]

You are also fully following the Subsim policy on language thus far.:hmmm:

Believe me, its hard to, probably why this isn't the forum I most frequent, most forums I frequent don't have a filter or have an optional filter for those of us who don't care about words.

[Stealhead]

Well that is your choice just be aware that it can get you in trouble or get you kicked out of any place of business.

You should really evaluate your opinion because words are everything it is how we communicate and people will judge you by your language so words do have meaning.I see that you are only 22 years old as well I do not know if you are in college or what but you should not rely so heavily on obscene words because you might resort to them while under stress like say during a job interview and not matter the profession they will not be impressed at all.

[antikristuseke]

This just about covers my own opinion on the matter, though it is a lot better worded.

Following clip contains some swearing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM

[Stealhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI7q2epS9Lc&feature=related

[P_Funk]

No you are looking a fake special effect of a severed human head.
If all this gore is just a special effect then should our reaction to someone violently raping another person in gut wrenching absolute detail in a movie be treated the same way? I mean, thats not real either, they're just actors. I mean... as long as during the vivid rape scene nobody uses any foul language.

Everything most networks do is strange if you ask me.

Complain to the network tell them that they are being contradictory.So if thats your attitude then why are you insisting how different swearing is from gore? Sounds like you wanna have your cake and eat it too. Tell me I'm just whining but also I'm a fool if I think words mean nothing. :doh:

[soopaman2]

AMC is a double edged sword.

It shows the great classic flicks, bet they are more "cautious" than most cable channels, you have to remember, they cater to (I am gonna get flamed for this) old fogeys. Who typically think bastard is a rotten word.

Vile language adds to the flavor, I agree.

I watched the South Park movie, full of filth, uncensored after 1am on Comedy Central a few times. But not too many cable channels are that chancy. After all, AMC and Comedy Central cater to 2 different demographics. (proof? compare the amount of viagra, and cialis commericials you see on AMC compared to CC)


(edit: Turner classic is a little better, though the movie selection is kinda meh)
DVDS, or torrents if your a purist, otherwise you just got to eat it, until another classic movie station emerges, or AMC grows a pair, and does what Comedy Central is not afraid to do.

Why should a raw war movie be censored, but animated satire containing over the top filth is left alone? (late at night)

(funny how both channels are owned by viacom.)

[Safe-Keeper]

How does this make any sense at all?It doesn't. It makes zero sense. Violence and abuse and tragedy are all okay and wholesome, but then someone flashes a nipple or says a naughty word and all of a sudden your gore fest has gone from being fun for the whole family to an adult movie you can't take your kids to watch.

Along the same lines: there's a film called "This Film is Not Yet Rated" that points out that films with scenes where a woman is raped gets away with a lower age rating than a film where a woman has consensual sex:shifty:.

No you are looking a fake special effect of a severed human head.Oooooh, but then all we have to do is get a computer program to speak the bad words for the actors, and then dub the curse words over the audio of the film. We still get the naughty words, but since they're fake synthesized naughty words spoken by a computer they're not really naughty words. Everybody wins :salute:!

[Stealhead]

If all this gore is just a special effect then should our reaction to someone violently raping another person in gut wrenching absolute detail in a movie be treated the same way? I mean, thats not real either, they're just actors. I mean... as long as during the vivid rape scene nobody uses any foul language.

So if thats your attitude then why are you insisting how different swearing is from gore? Sounds like you wanna have your cake and eat it too. Tell me I'm just whining but also I'm a fool if I think words mean nothing. :doh:

You misunderstood my point.I was trying to say that you had seen a special effect something not real and your brain knows this violence in any movie is acted out it is not real in my opinion to a rationally minded adult something real and something acted out are very different physiologically speaking.

Meaning if you actually did in fact see a decapitated human being it would be distressing to you and might have a long term physiological effect as is it does for many people who experience violence in warfare.

I never once stated that there was a difference between violence and language but there is most certainly to a young kid seeing some violent act in a film is worse than hearing foul language.

I think honestly in our society there is too much use of both violence and language in media and the violence in particular desensitizes people to the idea of violence not dealing with seeing the real thing.

I am not saying that you cant watch violence or language I am saying some networks are very conservative about the language.I thought my point was a bit clear when I said "Everything most networks do is strange if you ask me."

In other words they have no problem editing out language because kids might be watching yet it is in a war film that shows some graphic violence and they see nothing wrong with that it seems.:hmmm:

Comedy Central has no "balls" at all they follow the FCC regulations when they show a fully unedited show or film it is after 10pm up tp 6am it is because they are allowed to.Which is funny because they are a cable network so they are sucking the teat of advertisers who might not place adds.

http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/regulation-obscenity-indecency-and-profanity

"Along the same lines: there's a film called "This Film is Not Yet Rated" that points out that films with scenes where a woman is raped gets away with a lower age rating than a film where a woman has consensual sex."

Just watch a pornographic film then and get what you want.

And all words have meaning if they had none we would not have languages and on a forum we would just type;

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggasjkzsjkzsjkzsjkz sjkzsjkzsjkzsjkzsjkzsjkzsjkzsjkzsjkzsjkz. Or actually nothing at all because without words or language we would have nothing to say.

Networks are just an extension of our confused society on the one hand we want to be free to express what we want on the other we also want to be puritanical and tell others what we want them to do and think.There should be something in the middle and there is but nobody likes that they go too far one way or the other.

[krashkart]

I just heard as I'm typing this "Its a [frriggin] slaughter" bracketed word being a dub, and 2 seconds later arty lands on the man who watched his language and his severed head lands on the guy he was talking to, no cut made to spare us that nasty detail.

Okay, this made me chuckle. Not like a whole lot of chuckling.. just, you know. A sort of "guffaw" and that was it. :yep:
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Well, alright it made me giggle like a demented little school girl would after setting her classmates on fire. Happy now? Sheesh. :stare::shifty:





The main reason I don't watch war movies on TV is that all the good stuff gets bleeped out. That and commercials. Nothing spoils a bayonet charge worse than a Cap'n Crunch commercial followed up by Charmin and that dang Geico lizard. Wwwwhhhyyyy???? :damn: *shakes fist at the heavens*

[soopaman2]

I see very little difference between a swear word during a tense battle scene, than I do seeing limbs fly off of men in realistic ways. Or artillery massacring a formation of troops. Or a fictional nuke eradicating a city.

For some reason one is bad, while the other is not. Yet both are real.

I find it silly. I remember watching NYPB Blue, and seeing Dennis Franzs' fat ugly naked ass (On ABC). I wonder if Dennis was a Denise? Bet you bottom dollar it would have been off limits.

I only watch movies now, DVDS or VHS.

I watched Flight of the intruder last nite on the Military Channel, and was disgusted by how it was butchered. On a channel where people expect a little gore/ language.

But the "naughty Librarian" commercial for glasses, they spam is fine?

At least the movie was not trying to sell me sex, in an attempt to make glasses look cool.

My point is, why cut out the word uhhh... (I can't say it here either) [Feces] in a movie (where he had a SAM missile on his backside, and appropraite to say so in such a case)

They had no problem with Willem DaFoe jamming a knife into a mans neck though.

I feel this thread is more than just about the movies, but how pussified we have become. It just seems like people go out of their way to be offended about stuff in our country.

We really are a bunch of wet ends for allowing it.

[CaptainMattJ.]

I do believe that children need to learn when and where such language is appropriate, for example, and how to use it sparingly to get a point across where it is appropriate so as not to sound unintelligent (so as not to say the F word every other word and sound like a fool). I dont want my future children mouthing off at me, it shows a sign of disrespect for the authority i have and is terrible for his/her process of learning how to be an adult. I dont have a problem with the swearing as long as they learn where, when, and how to use it.

That being said, as an adult, i dont think i have a conversation with my friends, my parents today (not when i was young, thank you), or my wife without swearing. As stated in the video above, its not a sign of unintelligent banter, its a strong adjective meant to evoke a stronger feeling out of what youre trying to say. I wouldnt swear around my boss or many of my professors, though, because we try to keep a sense of formality.

In short, i think there are certain areas where you need to tread lightly. i also think if people dont want to hear that language, they need to find a different movie, because frankly if theyre going to show a movie, i find it ridiculous that they would censor it because some viewers might get "offended" by it. i especially despise parents who complain about it being shown on TV where their children can see. Chances are theyve heard the word used already, and if you ont want them hearing it, do something about it. Dont let them watch the movie if you care so much. the FCC regulation is so absurd. Now full on nudity, thats a bit deeper subject that i wont get into.

[Stealhead]

I do believe that children need to learn when and where such language is appropriate, for example, and how to use it sparingly to get a point across where it is appropriate so as not to sound unintelligent (so as not to say the F word every other word and sound like a fool). I dont want my future children mouthing off at me, it shows a sign of disrespect for the authority i have and is terrible for his/her process of learning how to be an adult. I dont have a problem with the swearing as long as they learn where, when, and how to use it.

That being said, as an adult, i dont think i have a conversation with my friends, my parents today (not when i was young, thank you), or my wife without swearing. As stated in the video above, its not a sign of unintelligent banter, its a strong adjective meant to evoke a stronger feeling out of what youre trying to say. I would swear around my boss or many of my professors, though, because we try to keep a sense of formality.

In short, i think there are certain areas where you need to tread lightly. i also think if people dont want to hear that language, they need to find a different movie, because frankly if theyre going to show a movie, i find it ridiculous that they would censor it because some viewers might get "offended" by it. i especially despise parents who complain about it being shown on TV where their children can see. Chances are theyve heard the word used already, and if you ont want them hearing it, do something about it. Dont let them watch the movie if you care so much. the FCC regulation is so absurd. Now full on nudity, thats a bit deeper subject that i wont get into.


Kids learn form what they see mom and dad do so if Dad says "Freaking Fiddle Sticks!"(clean subsim version) after he smashes his finger with a hammer then the kid will think "I use that word when something very unpleasant happens.

If Dad says "Freaking" every other word the kid likely will as well. Many people grossly over use swear words.

To a massive extent the FCCs rules are bogus any way every TV(I think) has that V-chip deal in and cable/satellite boxes have controls as well so any truly responsible parent has total control without government interference.I have a friend who uses swear words fairly regularly yet he bans his kids from using them yet he speaks this way in front of them.:hmmm: He also got into a confrontation once with a group of teenagers after he got on to them because they where cussing in public as he walked by with one of his sons and they told him to go to.... :doh:

Like I said before our society is a walking contradiction if ever there was one.Take sex for example in most states it is illegal to partake in prostitution yet many products use the implication of sex in their advertising.You cant sell sex but you can use sex to sell. :88) "Get clear and sexy skin with Slut Face"

Wal Mart dose not sell albums that have an explicit lyrics label yet they sell violent video games and movies they also refuse to sell pron mags or even Maximum or Esquire.I have seen in various stores they put covers on some women magazines.