The Bug Out Bag.

[yubba]

With doom and gloom all about, if the need does arise and you have to bug out in a blink of an eye, are you ready, remember you might have to walk. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/survive-and-thrive-you-wont-believe-whats-in-this-apocalypse-survival-bag/ I've noticed a few things that are missing, you are welcome to improve and give advice on improvements of the bug out bag. I got so much neat survival stuff I couldn't carry it all. Remember you might want some drone repellant.

[Oberon]

Ditch the shotgun and handgun and get a bow and some arrows. They're reusable and quiet. The BIC lighter is also pointless once you run out of fuel. Take a magnifying glass and some flint.

The Hammock is also superfluous, and although I see tent stakes I fail to see any tent. A Tarp and some rocks will give cover from the rain for a lot lower price at the sacrifice of some comfort.

Most of all though, what these things can't give you...

Experience, knowledge, training.

Unless you have that...don't waste your money, or at the very least be sure to keep the gear intact for whoever finds your body. :yep:

[u crank]

Zombie detector.

There will be zombies.:eek:

[yubba]

Ditch the shotgun and handgun and get a bow and some arrows. They're reusable and quiet. . :yep: Got my compound bow with fishing rig, last big thing I got with it, was a three foot black tip shark and he was very tastey. Just might take it out for a spin tomorrow see the mullet are schoolling in the river. I ain't giving up the 45s, sorry just ain't going to happen.

[Stealhead]

Do not get caught by a game warden Yubba bow fishing sharks of any kind is illegal in Florida.Mullet is legal though.Of course when the zombie unicorns invade laws go out the window.

What is drone repellent?The stuff that keeps carpenter bees away?

They forgot a regular knife as well preferably one with a fixed blade you will need that to clean game.Also why add the weight of a machete and an ax/hatchet it would be wiser to go with just a hatchet it is more useful for cutting objects than a machete which is primarily used for clearing brush you want to hide in the brush not clear it.If you only had a machete cutting wood would be a pain.

[Takeda Shingen]

Y2K will kill us all.

[nikimcbee]

I'd get out of Florida, the gators and pythons will get you.
Have you been watching any of those survivalist shows on Nat Geo?
Seems like a lot of stuff for one bag. I kinda like the idea of the bow, but I think it would be cumbersome to carry with all of your other stuff. I'd definately keep the .45 though.

How far would you bug out?

I'd get some basic medical training.

If everybody was bugging out, I'd get a good mountain bike to carry stuff and avoid the traffic.

[Gargamel]

What good is a survival kit if you can't carry it?

I got everything I need to survive on my person almost all the time.

A knife.
Fire starter (superfluous with the knife really)
Knowledge

[Stealhead]

Yes that NatGeo show is a bit over the top I like how they all have their version apocalypse as if the universe revolves around them and will end in a manner that perfectly fits their plans.And they want to carry a lot of stuff for a bag that you are supposed to have available at all times.I am sure that selling all this gear is becoming a big industry who cares if 90% of the buyers have no idea what they are doing.

To plan for a disaster that is reasonable but planning for a world ending/changing event is a bit unrealistic and even if you do you should accept the fact that you may not survive at or not for long so all that money you spent might be a waste.If the end is a nuclear war I'd rather be right at the epicenter of one the blasts to be honest.

I notice on that show that many of them have stashes hidden in various locations if you make a cashe then there is a chance that someone else can find it as well especially if they are looking for them.

I think that the Survivor Man Less Stroud has the best chance and he really knows a lot he has trained US and British elite forces about survival.

[MH]

Socks....don't forget that.

[Tribesman]

Tin foil.
Bring plenty of tin foil as it will need replacing regularly as it tends to chafe the scalp after proplonged wear.
Don't forget the slate and plenty of chalk.

[U570]

Here's what mine would have;
Knife
Flint
Rope
Medical kit
2 days emergency rations (chocolate, nuts, fruit etc.)

[Ducimus]

Yes that NatGeo show is a bit over the top I like how they all have their version apocalypse as if the universe revolves around them and will end in a manner that perfectly fits their plans.And they want to carry a lot of stuff for a bag that you are supposed to have available at all times.I am sure that selling all this gear is becoming a big industry who cares if 90% of the buyers have no idea what they are doing.

To plan for a disaster that is reasonable but planning for a world ending/changing event is a bit unrealistic and even if you do you should accept the fact that you may not survive at or not for long so all that money you spent might be a waste.If the end is a nuclear war I'd rather be right at the epicenter of one the blasts to be honest.

I notice on that show that many of them have stashes hidden in various locations if you make a cashe then there is a chance that someone else can find it as well especially if they are looking for them.

I think that the Survivor Man Less Stroud has the best chance and he really knows a lot he has trained US and British elite forces about survival.


Doomsday preppers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShKJtqxwAE8). Hilarious show. Wife and I watch it for laughs. What's more hilarious is a good number of these doomsday preppers are from Utah. At least one of which they had on that show is from Orem, which is where we currently live. We now call her "The crazy orem lady".

Yup, after watching several episodes of this show, the wife and I have decided that we are going to start doomsday prepping for the incoming idiocracy. :har:

[nikimcbee]

Doomsday preppers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShKJtqxwAE8). Hilarious show. Wife and I watch it for laughs. What's more hilarious is a good number of these doomsday preppers are from Utah. At least one of which they had on that show is from Orem, which is where we currently live. We now call her "The crazy orem lady".

Yup, after watching several episodes of this show, the wife and I have decided that we are going to start doomsday prepping for the incoming idiocracy. :har:

:haha::salute::yeah: So are you going to build a bunker in "the mountains?"

[Ducimus]

:haha::salute::yeah: So are you going to build a bunker in "the mountains?"

No, no, were going to build a spherical shaped fallout shelter UNDERNEATH THE GARAGE like this dude on the one episode. You know.. to protect us from the EMP device from china, or the sun, or whatever. Build a fairaday cage, and then were going to stockpile a books. LOTS of books. Educational stuff. We figure after the apocolypse, knowledge will be scarce, ignorance in ample supply. Then we'll go about repopulating the earth with SMART people. :har:

edit:
Geez, youd be amazed at the amount of joking we do about this. I seriously wonder how all this doomsday crap started. Mayan calander? Too many zombie apocolypse movies? *shrug*

[nikimcbee]

edit:
Geez, youd be amazed at the amount of joking we do about this. I seriously wonder how all this doomsday crap started. Mayan calander? Too many zombie apocolypse movies? *shrug*
:haha: I believe you. I have a cousin who's into this stuff (I think). I was trapped in the car with him for 2 hours and I heard all about how he' prepared, because he makes his own gunpowder. He's really into hunting and guns-n-stuff. I like guns, but not that much.

Speaking of the show, I thought the guy that built the bunker for a nuclear attack was kinda funny. Sure, the bunker was cool, but you gotta get there and if there was a ballistic nuclear attack, how much warning would you have to get there? ~10 minutes?

[Stealhead]

Doomsday preppers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShKJtqxwAE8). Hilarious show. Wife and I watch it for laughs. What's more hilarious is a good number of these doomsday preppers are from Utah. At least one of which they had on that show is from Orem, which is where we currently live. We now call her "The crazy orem lady".

Yup, after watching several episodes of this show, the wife and I have decided that we are going to start doomsday prepping for the incoming idiocracy. :har:


Did you see the one with the trucker preper?I cant believe that guy was serious planning to still drive a semi around after "the end" seriously where are you going to find the diesel to fuel the truck those things only get around 12~14 MPG.

I think Utah has a lot of preppers because it is part of the Mormon beliefs as I understand of course they also wear special underwear.

I think for many they do the prepping make themselves feel in control of something that they can not control the bug out bag and such its an adult version of a blankie to some extent.

Is the Orem Lady that fat one the one that said something about being the only person that will have 100 pounds to loose?

Seems like people are always thinking that the world is going to end at the turn of centuries I heard that people also thought the end was near from the 1880s into the early 20th century.

[Takeda Shingen]

Did you see the one with the trucker preper?I cant believe that guy was serious planning to still drive a semi around after "the end" seriously where are you going to find the diesel to fuel the truck those things only get around 12~14 MPG.

Oh, there will be plenty of fuel around. The problem is that once the powergrid fails after around 72 hours without human intervention, there will be no way to get to it.

[Stealhead]

Oh, there will be plenty of fuel around. The problem is that once the powergrid fails after around 72 hours without human intervention, there will be no way to get to it.


I was taking into consideration the fact that if a zombie unicorn invasion took a few weeks to fully develop or even a real event such as a hurricane that is known of in advance everyone will run and buy fuel then so in reality most fuel would be gone pretty fast.It happens all the time in any Hurricane state.Most of a nations fuel supply is stored at special facilities in the tanks that you have at your typical gas station they only last a few days maybe a week on average before a tanker needs to come and fill them and that is from regular supply and demand.

You can get the fuel out of any storage tank easily with a siphon or use a hand crank powered pump you have to think outside the box when the usual devices and infrastructure have failed.Actually people get arrested for doing this all time stealing fuel from station storage tanks that is.

[mookiemookie]

All this talk about the apocalypse...

Time to reinstall!

http://www.hookedgamers.com/images/1461/fallout_new_vegas/header_fallout_new_vegas.jpg

[Stealhead]

All this talk about the apocalypse...

Time to reinstall!

http://www.hookedgamers.com/images/1461/fallout_new_vegas/header_fallout_new_vegas.jpg


One of my favorites the entire series that is one of the few games that manages to stay on my hard drive.

[yubba]

All this talk about making the people move closer to the cities, or into them, I think I figured it out." Do tell us yubba, how would they make the masses move closer to the cities", well I believe, they would cut the power, under the guise, that the grid can't support the rural areas under the new epa regulations . So how many coal fire electric plants are going to shut down this summer.??? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/26/coal-power-plants-closing-firstenergy_n_1234611.html that says alot will be closed. Maybe, I was not looking at this right, maybe the plan should be stay put, and not give up any ground, but sooner or later I'll have to make a move.

[yubba]

I'd get out of Florida, the gators and pythons will get you.{that's livestock}
Have you been watching any of those survivalist shows on Nat Geo? {No}
Seems like a lot of stuff for one bag. I kinda like the idea of the bow, but I think it would be cumbersome to carry with all of your other stuff. I'd definately keep the .45 though.{ got two like to shoot with both hands}

How far would you bug out? {don't know yet got a daugther in texas another here in florida with my grand daughter}

I'd get some basic medical training.{ what get off the meds, right}

If everybody was bugging out, I'd get a good mountain bike to carry stuff and avoid the traffic.

that's what a wheel barrow is for, until I can commandere a Pt boat, plus a wheel barrow turns into a comfortable lounge chair, with padding it makes a nice bed.

[Takeda Shingen]

All this talk about the apocalypse...

Time to reinstall!

http://www.hookedgamers.com/images/1461/fallout_new_vegas/header_fallout_new_vegas.jpg

Me too. I got spurs.

[Oberon]

Me too. I got spurs.

Do they jingle jangle jingle?

[Oberon]

that's what a wheel barrow is for, until I can commandere a Pt boat, plus a wheel barrow turns into a comfortable lounge chair, with padding it makes a nice bed.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/gta_444fba_1312411.jpg

By the way, what will you power the PT boat with? :hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/gta_444fba_1312411.jpg

By the way, what will you power the PT boat with? :hmmm:

Yeah, no buggin out til that's done!;)

[Penguin]

Meanwhile in Canada:
http://www.emergencyinfobc.gov.bc.ca/zombie-preparedness-week-are-you-ready.html :DL
(official website from the BC govenment)

Whatever desaster you think might happen (Zombiemayans, Canada invading or Santorium becoming President), it isn't bad to be prepared, at least for some days without outside help. Just remember the Kathrina experience.

Most people forget an important tool: information.
If you don't think that all electronics are fried, it would be sensible to carry a pocket reader (tablet, smartphone, kindle and the like, plus a solar charger and spare batteries)
You can store tons of infos on those, maps, books about edible plants, different shelter techniques, etc, etc,)

[Ducimus]

:haha: I believe you.

Oh yeah, we were joking about it just yesterday. Hell we've been joking about it our entire time house hunting. "Look hun we can but our doomsday preps in this room!". :har:


Speaking of the show, I thought the guy that built the bunker for a nuclear attack was kinda funny. Sure, the bunker was cool, but you gotta get there and if there was a ballistic nuclear attack, how much warning would you have to get there? ~10 minutes?

Yeah, my first thought was. "umm dude, the cold war's been over for years now". Nuclear bunker.. yeah cool, but from who is he expecting these ICBM's from is what i wanna know. :haha:

Oh and assuming you do have bunker, what are you gonna do? Put your life on hold, not go to work, and sit there and watch TV listening for the non existant air raid sirens? Odds are, with a 10 min window, national TV and radio would be lucky to get a broadcast out assuming they made one at all.

Did you see the one with the trucker preper?I cant believe that guy was serious planning to still drive a semi around after "the end" seriously where are you going to find the diesel to fuel the truck those things only get around 12~14 MPG.

Yeah i thought that too. "How's he gonna feed that sucker?" And as hes talking about putting camo netting on his trailer i was thinking, "Dude, why not drop the god damn trailer and increase your mobility a little bit?"

I think Utah has a lot of preppers because it is part of the Mormon beliefs as I understand of course they also wear special underwear.

Yeah the whole doomsday thing was already engrained here. Most mormons have some emergency food storage in their basements. Here's a funny tidbit, while house hunting our real estate agent was telling us about this client she had that was a hardcore catholic, and how every house he looked at, he was cursing, "Damn mormon food storage!" every time he toured the basement in a house. :har:


I think for many they do the prepping make themselves feel in control of something that they can not control the bug out bag and such its an adult version of a blankie to some extent.

I'm not sure what it is. I think its a combination of social quirks in our society. All this doomsday prepping it's like a combination of Mad Max, Red dawn and zombie apocolypse. I think many people who are unhappy with their jobs, economic and political situation actually WANT "the world" to end. Its my hypothesis that an end of world scenario represents TOTAL freedom to some people, and they crave that release from job, money, things they dislike, etc. It's like they think they'll have their guns, their complete independence, and have a good ole time. One could probably write an essay as to what's sparking this prepping fade.

Is the Orem Lady that fat one the one that said something about being the only person that will have 100 pounds to loose?

Yup, same one who calls the handgun she puts in a can of dehydrated peas as her "pea shooter". When we saw that episode we died laughing. The lead in to the interview with her was hilarious. Its like, "hey that neighborhood looks familar.. so do those mountains.. Hey that flag looks like the Macy's flag," then they show the lady and where she's from and we were, "you gotta be kidding me....." Nope. :har:


Seems like people are always thinking that the world is going to end at the turn of centuries I heard that people also thought the end was near from the 1880s into the early 20th century.
For whatever reasons, i think they want it to end.

[Stealhead]

You are probably correct about some seeing such events as "true freedom" which is a bit silly when you think about it why not just move to remote Alaska or really any remote area of any state and just live more or less off the land you can go do that right now if you wanted to :hmmm:.

That little fact makes me think that for many it is really more of a fantasy maybe it will happen but they must not truly want to live that way because you can live an of the grid lifestyle without having the world end.

Most of these types I think they have limited actual experience "roughing it" or with survival skills such things take actual experience you don't just go read a Boy Scout manual and then buy the materials and think that will do if you have no actual muscle memory with knots or have never tried to catch and clean game or truly raise crops or livestock you ca not expect to do very well when suddenly you are doing it to survive.

My dad went through survival training in the military at one point they had to capture and kill a hare just with basic tools it was not very easy and then they had to skin and clean the things
one guy he had his hare all ready for cleaning or so he thought when he went to start skinning it the thing started crying in pain he had not killed it the guy had never killed a living thing before and was held aback by the event and one of the instructors yelled at him to finish the hare off or go hungry the point was when you have nothing you have to take what ou can get even if you do not like it.

These people seem to think that having some supplies and a some guns and bullets and they will survive anything when the most important tool/weapon is your brain.

The value of information is also key as was said earlier so radios are important with a short term disaster in particular long term you would need a HAM radio or know someone that dose a HAM would be very useful long term because you can talk to people hundreds even thousands of miles away very useful for finding out what is going on.

There is a way to protect electronics from getting fried as well a Faraday cage the military uses them supposedly you can make one though how well it would work is anyone's guess you will also find them at power plants and power generation stations.

[Ducimus]

Well, i'm not saying everybody "prepping" wants something bad to happen, but i think a good number do, and probably don't even realize it. There does seem to be a sense that something bad or something significant is going to happen in the future though. Hell even i think something significant (and negative) will happen in my lifetime, though I don't think its going to bring about the "without Rule of law" OMG the world has ended scenario that many "preppers" seem to.

Going out on a limb, i think ill list various bullet points that i think are contributing to this whole "prepping" fade. This isn't all inclusive, just stuff off the top of my head:


* Economy
- housing bubble bursting,
- The ever increasing deficit we've acquired from fighting a protracted war on two fronts
- Increasing debt ceiling
- the entire situation regarding the bank bailouts
- increasing disparity between income classes.
- Fear of global economic collapse

*Oil ( This could probably be put under economy but this is so large it deserves its on point. )
- Lots of fear regarding oil shortage. The reasons are many: Not enough drilling, not enough to drill, oil has peaked and in decline, oil might be embargoed cause of middle east BS, etc etc list goes on.

- lack of oil equates to lack of food, services, goods, jobs.


* Political.
- Vitriol between political beliefs is very high right now, people are divided.

- Black president. This is bigger then what most people here might want to admit. Yes its racial. My father in law i hear CRIED when Obama took office. Some label him as the Antichrist. Others question his citizenship. There's so many quirks in the way of belief and opinion surrounding Obama its quite amazing if you look at the larger picture. Obama represents a social change that ( edit: ) many people probably weren't ready for.


*Religion
- Evangelicals (and there's a lot of them) have a hard on for The Rapture.
- Mormons have been storing food for "The end of days" for decades.
- Not gonna get into this too far, so ill just say, etc etc etc.


*Social
- Rugged independence and individually is engrained our (American) culture to a high degree and most people don't even realize it. You can see it in just about any truck commercial on television. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qriNbVCIsow) Think about how those two traits in our people as a whole, in combination with a doomsday scenario (regardless of cause).

- In an age of globalization, troubled economy, and political uncertainty, many people yearn for a simpler time more so then usual. (again, see above linked truck commercial ). Granted I think despite all the happenings in the last 12 years, most Americans yearn for a simpler time regardless. (insert little house on the prairie reference here)

- We love an underdog, and we love the underdog more when it's us. A scenario where we become the underdog has some odd romantic appeal.

*Media and myths
- Movies like "The Road", "Book of Eli", and "I am legend", and i believe "2012"
- Two many zombie movies and games. (I gotta admit i love em though)
- Mayan calender ending 2012




I'm sure theres more contributing factors, but I just ran outta gas, so ill end this post now. :woot:

[yubba]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/gta_444fba_1312411.jpg

By the way, what will you power the PT boat with? :hmmm:
I thought they had some of that green energy stuff, they have been spending trillions on, or hopefully it will have a full tank, detail, details, I should really get back to work on that hho generator, someone should checkout that howard johnsons motor.

[u crank]

@ Ducimus.

Very good analysis. I think you got it all.

Funny, last week I was having one of those days. Everything was going wrong. You know , one of those days. Ashamed to say I was in a foul mood. A couple of people started to talk on this subject and I just blurted out "bring it on". We laughed but I wonder if that isn't part of it as well. Frustration and anger at a world we can't control.

But of course I pray it never happens. To many people I love and care about.

Once again, great post Ducimus.:up:

[Stealhead]

Well, i'm not saying everybody "prepping" wants something bad to happen, but i think a good number do, and probably don't even realize it. There does seem to be a sense that something bad or something significant is going to happen in the future though. Hell even i think something significant (and negative) will happen in my lifetime, though I don't think its going to bring about the "without Rule of law" OMG the world has ended scenario that many "preppers" seem to.

Going out on a limb, i think ill list various bullet points that i think are contributing to this whole "prepping" fade. This isn't all inclusive, just stuff off the top of my head:


* Economy
- housing bubble bursting,
- The ever increasing deficit we've acquired from fighting a protracted war on two fronts
- Increasing debt ceiling
- the entire situation regarding the bank bailouts
- increasing disparity between income classes.
- Fear of global economic collapse

*Oil ( This could probably be put under economy but this is so large it deserves its on point. )
- Lots of fear regarding oil shortage. The reasons are many: Not enough drilling, not enough to drill, oil has peaked and in decline, oil might be embargoed cause of middle east BS, etc etc list goes on.

- lack of oil equates to lack of food, services, goods, jobs.


* Political.
- Vitriol between political beliefs is very high right now, people are divided.

- Black president. This is bigger then what most people here might want to admit. Yes its racial. My father in law i hear CRIED when Obama took office. Some label him as the Antichrist. Others question his citizenship. There's so many quirks in the way of belief and opinion surrounding Obama its quite amazing if you look at the larger picture. Obama represents a social change that ( edit: ) many people probably weren't ready for.


*Religion
- Evangelicals (and there's a lot of them) have a hard on for The Rapture.
- Mormons have been storing food for "The end of days" for decades.
- Not gonna get into this too far, so ill just say, etc etc etc.


*Social
- Rugged independence and individually is engrained our (American) culture to a high degree and most people don't even realize it. You can see it in just about any truck commercial on television. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qriNbVCIsow) Think about how those two traits in our people as a whole, in combination with a doomsday scenario (regardless of cause).

- In an age of globalization, troubled economy, and political uncertainty, many people yearn for a simpler time more so then usual. (again, see above linked truck commercial ). Granted I think despite all the happenings in the last 12 years, most Americans yearn for a simpler time regardless. (insert little house on the prairie reference here)

- We love an underdog, and we love the underdog more when it's us. A scenario where we become the underdog has some odd romantic appeal.

*Media and myths
- Movies like "The Road", "Book of Eli", and "I am legend", and i believe "2012"
- Two many zombie movies and games. (I gotta admit i love em though)
- Mayan calender ending 2012




I'm sure theres more contributing factors, but I just ran outta gas, so ill end this post now. :woot:


I agree with you there I wasn't meaning to say that they all desire an event but as you say some do or think that they do or I mean to say I did not read you that way.

It is funny because I think at many points throughout history people have perceived the end times any time period with lots of change occurring would cause the feeling for example the times that the Plague went through Europe many perceived that to have been punishment from god and a sign of the end.

In our modern world you also have mainstream entertainment as you mentioned so it is hard to judge how many really believe and how many are just very intrigued and for them is a fun hobby even though they know that zombies are not real it is an intriguing idea and there are some very good zombie flicks The Return Of The Living Dead(that punk rock girl running around naked had not a thing to do with it) was always my favorite and that 2012 flick got way too much attention people talked about it for months after.

It makes sense during hard times that such topics are popular just as the early Cold War and nuclear weapons spawned all those Sci fi monster films.

[Oberon]

It's good to see this getting some thought provoking insight, I think there's also a lot of romantasising it, taking your average office worker for example who does his 9-5 day in, day out, his boss treats him like a doormat and he's a social outcast. He probably longs for society to have the rug pulled out from underneath it so that he can come out from his shell and show those who are struggling to survive just how it's done.

For others, it's perhaps 'Artilleryman syndrome' where people want to remake society into something else, be it a religious utopia, a scientific utopia, or some form of social darwinism. Each particular 'Pact' has their own desires, after all, in how many disaster films does the Nerdy kid save the day and get the girl? (Trust me, I've seen a few and, yes it happens a lot...usually the sort of disaster films that go straight to DVD) Usually the disaster as it happens revolves around that particular persons ability to solve it.

Zombies are good because they cover a lot of social issues, breakdown of society, mob rule, and various far-fetched links to the 'zombified masses'.
Fast zombies are still stupid though...

I had trouble getting to sleep night before last, doing night shifts will do that to you, so I read Alex Scarrows 'Last Light' which deals with an artificially created 'Peak Oil' scenario. It's quite a good read for those in the UK (for that's where it's based) and it's not a 'comfy catastrophe' but it's not as hard-hitting as 'One Second After' by William Forstchen, which I do recommend those who like the genre read because it is well written and doesn't pull its punches.

End of world scenarios are as old as time itself, but there are some days when I look ahead and I wonder if the pace of life we have set for ourselves is maintainable?

[Oberon]

I thought they had some of that green energy stuff, they have been spending trillions on, or hopefully it will have a full tank, detail, details, I should really get back to work on that hho generator, someone should checkout that howard johnsons motor.


Well, good to see you've thought these things through... :hmmm:

[Stealhead]

End of world scenarios are as old as time itself, but there are some days when I look ahead and I wonder if the pace of life we have set for ourselves is maintainable?


Probably not but that seems to be the way of things in the billion + years that earth has been around she has seen many species dominate and then die off.

If you mean pace as pace of life/work in general I say it is too fast and there is too much stress in most peoples lives and I firmly believe that too much stress is not the best thing for your mind or body.Sometimes "giving the other fellow hell" as that Paul McCartney song says really wears you down.

[yubba]

Well, good to see you've thought these things through... :hmmm:
well I can always punch a hole in the deck and drop a pole down it and hang grannies bloomers up as a sail

[yubba]

well the issue of water came up that's my weak point don't have a filter as of yet and not ready to drop money on it, but you can sterilize water in plastic bottles that have 222 stamped on the bottom these would be the ocean spray 64oz cranberry juice bottles, fill with water and set in the sun for 8 hrs, bleach or tablets would be helpful.

[Stealhead]

Bleach is poisonous to humans so if you used bleach you would make the water worse.Also setting in the sun wont solve anything that will only benefit any bacteria even if you used iodine tablets they might not kill everything but enough if the water is consumed soon after better to boil it.

Try this instead all you need is iodine not bleach he wrong about that.Bleach also has lead and other harmful elements in it might be why you heard the 8 hours in sunlight.But ant PET bottle will work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAZNxOFghwc&feature=related

This is the guy that inspired the vid above he is smarter notice that he does not mention bleach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8VQk4isaOM

[Ducimus]

I have to wonder if any of these doomsday preppers have looked at the larger picture.

So lets say you stock up provisions to last X amount of time. Ok, then what are you gonna do when those run out? Bug out...ok, where to? And for how long? Is it sustainable?

Sustainability is i think the operative word here with the bigger picture. You can do all the preperations you want, but long term, if your not in a sustainable situation, your only putting off the inevitable.

[Betonov]

The best advice when it comes to nuclear war:

DON'T SURVIVE !!!

[Dowly]

Sustainability is i think the operative word here with the bigger picture. You can do all the preperations you want, but long term, if your not in a sustainable situation, your only putting off the inevitable.

That's true. Maybe people want to have that little bit of hope that maybe if they
survive long enough everything will be ok again. :hmmm:

[Ducimus]

That's true. Maybe people want to have that little bit of hope that maybe if they
survive long enough everything will be ok again. :hmmm:

Sure, in a natural disaster, where everything turns crappy for a 1 to 3 months. However most of this doomsday prepping seems to be on the mindset that it's the end of everything as we know it, forever, or at the least for several years.

Insert Red dawn, mad max, references here.

[Stealhead]

Sure, in a natural disaster, where everything turns crappy for a 1 to 3 months. However most of this doomsday prepping seems to be on the mindset that it's the end of everything as we know it, forever, or at the least for several years.

Insert Red dawn, mad max, references here.

Just take into consideration the physiological effect that a complete "end" would have as well all (or most) of your friends and family would be dead for starters and now you are stuck in a world where after your stash runs out you are going to have to survive from living off of the land if that is even possible and that you actually really know how to.

You are stuck in a world were most other humans may be very willing to kill or rape or even eat you sure you have guns but could you handle the physiological effect of dealing with this every day the fact that you might die at any moment could you actually even kill someone and if you did how would you handle the physiological effect after words?Will you be pushed to be as ruthless?

[Ducimus]

Just take into consideration the physiological effect that a complete "end" would have as well all (or most) of your friends and family would be dead for starters and now you are stuck in a world where after your stash runs out you are going to have to survive from living off of the land if that is even possible and that you actually really know how to.

You are stuck in a world were most other humans may be very willing to kill or rape or even eat you sure you have guns but could you handle the physiological effect of dealing with this every day the fact that you might die at any moment could you actually even kill someone and if you did how would you handle the physiological effect after words?Will you be pushed to be as ruthless?

Knowing myself, physiologically, id be doing two things.
- unplugging
- compartmentalizing

I know this, cause i've already done it in the past. I honestly think once you've done that, your capable of anything. It took me a few years to undo that mental conditioning (more like defense mechanism). Now here's the thing that i don't know. Would i give up? I know i'm capable of accepting the situation , dealing with it, and pressing on. However, in a situation where pressing on is my decision to make and not one made for me, (where quiting was never an option) would i say to myself, "Well, this is it, it ain't getting any better. It's a world of excrement, and it just aint worth the struggle to continue.". Would i say that to myself (and i can see myself thinking it) put my pistol to my head and put myself out of my misery? Or would i fight on? THAT, i don't know.



As an aside, along with us on the doomsday train is National Geographic. If you have an hour and a half to kill, they have this interesting ehh.. documentary? Someone posted on youtube.

"In the year 2210, scientists uncover the ruins of a great civilization - so powerful one could argue it dwarfed anything that came before it. Sifting through the wreckage of cities overtaken by the desert and swallowed up by the sea, they piece together a remarkable story of collapse - the story of what on Earth happened to us."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHufiHAbfD4&feature=fvwp

Yeah, lets see someone doomsday prep for THAT. :har:

[Stealhead]

Knowing myself, physiologically, id be doing two things.
- unplugging
- compartmentalizing

I know this, cause i've already done it in the past. I honestly think once you've done that, your capable of anything. It took me a few years to undo that mental conditioning (more like defense mechanism). Now here's the thing that i don't know. Would i give up? I know i'm capable of accepting the situation , dealing with it, and pressing on. However, in a situation where pressing on is my decision to make and not one made for me, (where quiting was never an option) would i say to myself, "Well, this is it, it ain't getting any better. It's a world of excrement, and it just aint worth the struggle to continue.". Would i say that to myself (and i can see myself thinking it) put my pistol to my head and put myself out of my misery? Or would i fight on? THAT, i don't know.



As an aside, along with us on the doomsday train is National Geographic. If you have an hour and a half to kill, they have this interesting ehh.. documentary? Someone posted on youtube.

"In the year 2210, scientists uncover the ruins of a great civilization - so powerful one could argue it dwarfed anything that came before it. Sifting through the wreckage of cities overtaken by the desert and swallowed up by the sea, they piece together a remarkable story of collapse - the story of what on Earth happened to us."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHufiHAbfD4&feature=fvwp

Yeah, lets see someone doomsday prep for THAT. :har:

Hard to say on the suicide thing in such a situation surely the feeling would come to mind it is a true unknown until one is in that moment having experienced what they have in such a world gone to hell.

I recall that NatGeo show for such a thing no matter if you prepped or not you would sooner or latter be truly fighting to survive to say the least.

[yubba]

Suicide is for quitters, I can't wait too see, investers jumpin from the roof tops, I bet it will look like leaves falling from the trees on a nice autumn day.

[mookiemookie]

Suicide is for quitters, I can't wait too see, investers jumpin from the roof tops, I bet it will look like leaves falling from the trees on a nice autumn day.

You first.

[Takeda Shingen]

I'd point out that the sort of thing that you all are describing has already happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Middle_Ages

Your bug out bag isn't going to help you very much.

[yubba]

You first.
No no, you first, I insist.

[Stealhead]

I'd point out that the sort of thing that you all are describing has already happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Middle_Ages

Your bug out bag isn't going to help you very much.


I agree with you "bugging out" is going to do you little good in a situation occurring on a massive scale bug out implies leaving a bad place or situation and getting to a good one.Like a military might perform a tactical retreat but if there is no safe place to go where all is normal you cant bug out you can only hope to survive.

My plan will be to collect useful materials from all the dead people with bug out bags that surely will be along side roadways because they trampled each other in the process of bugging out.

Something on a mass extinction scale like a meteorite or a massive volcano throwing ash I see little point mother nature does these every so often to cleanse out things so the plan is that few survive if any do.You could have an entire preper city mother nature will crush it figuratively speaking just to show you who is really in charge.

[mookiemookie]

No no, you first, I insist.

Not gonna happen, pal. We're making too much money.

[u crank]

My plan will be to collect useful materials from all the dead people with bug out bags that surely will be along side roadways because they trampled each other in the process of bugging out.



Smart man. Good idea. Glad I didn't impulse buy.:O:

[mookiemookie]

My plan will be to collect useful materials from all the dead people with bug out bags that surely will be along side roadways because they trampled each other in the process of bugging out.

Watch out for walkers. :hulk:

http://blog.gorving.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/walkingdead_zombieherd2.jpg

[CaptainMattJ.]

well if MAD comes about i think id love to be front a center to a nuclear explosion. See one more spectacle before i die, because itd be a much fitter end than living underground for a couple years without football, internet,electricity, or sexy ladies.

[Ducimus]

Hard to say on the suicide thing in such a situation surely the feeling would come to mind it is a true unknown until one is in that moment having experienced what they have in such a world gone to hell.


True. I'm not sure i have the guts to pull the trigger in that hypothetical situation. Doing so takes a lot of courage, and a lot of conviction.

Suicide is for quitters,I can't wait too see, investers jumpin from the roof tops, I bet it will look like leaves falling from the trees on a nice autumn day.

I guess you've never lived in a situation that really sucks and pushed you to your mental and physical limits. That's ok, not everyone has, but i don't think this doomsday scenario your looking forward to would be the wonderful paradise you seem to think.

[Tribesman]

thats me sorted for the bug out
http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/books/kids-books-and-atlases/science-and-space/science-fair-winners%3A-bug-science

[Stealhead]

Watch out for walkers. :hulk:

http://blog.gorving.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/walkingdead_zombieherd2.jpg

Well the one thing I will buy is "sent of Zombie" known as "Fleur de la Zombie" in French if you smell like one they wont attack you they never show this in Zombie flicks because it would make them extremely boring.

Suicide under certain circumstances is not unreasonable If you are fighting a bunch of Islamic Fundamentalists who will if taken alive cut your head off like a sheep it would be wise if you knowing that they have you dead to rights to pull the pin on a grenade and let them take you then or shot yourself.People in our current war have done just that or similar a Navy Seal in 2002 that fell from a back of a Chinook survived the landing and was surrounded (a UAV saw his entire action) he engaged with his rifle until ammo was expended or it jammed then he faced down a machine gun nest with his side arm and was killed.

Other times a person might risk and loose thier life but that action saves others to me that is not quitting that was destiny letting you know what you where put here to do.

Suicide for a reason that you should have gotten back into the saddle and faced another day that is quitting.