WASPs in decline

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18100457

And Republican's traditional voter base of the future declining as well.

Some years ago we had a thread were I already pointed at this fact in birth rates. I was laughed about for saying that in the near future there will be more non-white than white births in the US, and that it will change not just the southern states' policies, but all the states' policies sooner or later.

But it is not that bad, just a farewell to the traditional self-definition of an America that once was dominated by the white man, but is no more. Whether the melting pot really functions, is something different, i have said goodbye to the concept - it was just an ideal, an utopia. Reality looks different if looking at crime, social, health, education and income statistics. The major chnage in births now seem to come from hispanic population. Let'S see what this will mean, culturally.

Imagine France. Around 2050, by projections of current birth rates, will be a predominantly Muslim country nationwide. Now that is bad news. And it spreads.

[Jimbuna]

I can imagine the direction where this thread will quickly head off to :hmmm:

[Oberon]

I can imagine the direction where this thread will quickly head off to :hmmm:

All the usual places I'd wager...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/9/5/1315227223235/Riot-police-in-Hackney-007.jpg

Just another day in the GT

[TLAM Strike]

I can imagine the direction where this thread will quickly head off to :hmmm:

All the usual places I'd wager...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/9/5/1315227223235/Riot-police-in-Hackney-007.jpg

Its going sledding? :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

I can imagine the direction where this thread will quickly head off to
Where does it need to go, it started where it finishes, it even has the batty eurabia nonsense thrown in, if only there was a reference to the EU or fictitious words it would be full house for a game of sky bingo.

[Ducimus]

This has been going on for years, decades even. Its a combination of unchecked illegal immigration, and Hispanic culture of having large families. The stereotypical American family has 1 or 2 kids. Mexican families tend to have two to three times that number. It doesn't take a mathmatical genius to figure out what the long term result is going to be.

edit: What comes to mind most is a line from the movie Braveheart, where Edward Longshanks says something along the lines of "If we can't drive them out, we'll breed them out." Well, that's what their doing.


EDIT: Also, obligatory Idiocracy reference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8&feature=related

[Skybird]

edit: What comes to mind most is a line from the movie Braveheart, where Edward Longshanks says something along the lines of "If we can't drive them out, we'll breed them out." Well, that's what their doing.

I fail to see a foreign faction that has the agenda formulated to "conquer" the US and drive whites out or turn them into Hispanics or Asians. ;) What happens, pretty much looks like any - for historians not unheared of - Völkerwanderung, and ethnic and demographic changes from that. And like earlier in history, the movement is from poor places, to assumed richer places, which is no surprise either.

[Ducimus]

Three points.
1. In my opinion they are Foreign nationals.
2. Go to google and type in "Mexican Reconquista".
3. Despite above mentioned point two, i was speaking metaphorically. Intentional or not, they ARE breeding Americans out.

[the_tyrant]

the race does not matter.
They are all Americans, believing in American ideologies

I really don't see the different race makes

[Tribesman]

I really don't see the different race makes
Don't be so sensible.
Enjoy the Oh no look at the demographics I told you I told you some years ago, then laugh at the fact the people behind this news are having to rework thier model because the new figures mean their figures from 2 years ago are wrong and the change in population isn't happening as fast as they told us it would and their 2040 date for the US is going to have to be pushed back a few more years.
As for Skys 2050 prediction ask him for a link if you want a good laugh as his leap there would have to be runnng constantly and very narrowly at over 8X the past US rate to even get close to the mark:03:

[Skybird]

the race does not matter.
They are all Americans, believing in American ideologies

I really don't see the different race makes
This is not about race at all. But cultural environments form different worldviews and attitudes towards live. Also, "American" ideology is differed about what it is, too. Starts with the endless battle about carrying guns, leads over the (false) claim that the US were founded as a Christian nation, and ends with the question whether Bush senior was right or wrong when claiming that in his opinion atheists are not even Americans. Republicans and Democrats also have a different focus on what is important for "Americanism". In southern states, wehre they feel the Hispanic impact stronger than in Northern states, politicians have long since started to chnage traditional party positions to win them as voters. Becasue being raised in or having roots in Mexico or Puerto Rico most likely gives a person a slightly different view and attitude then having been born and raised in the US. Or Canada.

I think we will see this shift in inner politics sooner or later. It even seems we already do. But the Republicans still have a greaster way to go there, if they do not want to run short of voters, when the old generation has faded away - and gets to a greater degree replaced by white Northern people, but Hispanic people, and the other migration groups.

Again, race is not the issue here. But individual biographic socialization, and cultural closeness - and cultural difference. Regarding the US and let'S say Puerto Rico, that difference is narrower. With regard to the US and Saudi Arabia, that difference is bigger, much bigger, obviously.

[Ducimus]

the race does not matter.
They are all Americans, believing in American ideologies

I really don't see the different race makes

It's not the race, it's the lack of integration into American society. They don't make more then a cursory effort to speak English. They insist on speaking spanish. They don't hoist the American Flag or it's colors but the Mexican one.

This is a great example ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4YgFADhTsM ). This is not what American's do. These aren't American's, these are Mexican nationals living on American soil.

edit:
Another example of lack of integration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO8MGmoVgGU

[Kaye T. Bai]

Well, that certainly didn't take long. ^ :nope:

[AVGWarhawk]

They are all Americans, believing in American ideologies



Only when it suits their need at that particular time.

[Tribesman]

They don't make more then a cursory effort to speak English. They insist on speaking spanish.
Bloody peurto ricans why don't they bugger off to puerto ricanland where they can speak as much spanish as they like instead of coming over to America, honestly if this carries on uncontrolled its gonna end up like like some futuristic horror like west side story.:yep:

Only when it suits their need at that particular time.
Well given the very different suits in that regards we see displayed here and elsewhere they sounds like typical Americans then doesn't it, or typical people from any country really.

[Kaye T. Bai]

Looks like we have our very own Juror #10 from 12 Angry Men here at Subsim.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well given the very different suits in that regards we see displayed here and elsewhere they sounds like typical Americans then doesn't it, or typical people from any country really.


What are typical American ideologies? Can these ideologies be clearly defined?

[Tribesman]

What are typical American ideologies? Can these ideologies be clearly defined?
Exactly. its the same with the ideals of the nation over here,put a dozen people together and you will get a dozen different ideas of what the ideals are.
The ideology of the nation is when one individual finds another individual he thinks he can agree with on a specific take on a specific version of an interpretation of a vague concept of and from the past....given the size of your population that would mean there would have to be a couple of hundred million different and often contradictory ideologies that are The "American ideology".

[Ducimus]

Well, that certainly didn't take long. ^ :nope:

Looks like we have our very own Juror #10 from 12 Angry Men here at Subsim.

http://scentsofself.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/kthxbai.jpg

[Kaye T. Bai]

*snip*

Gnarly, bro! Rock on, dude! :yeah:

[CaptainMattJ.]

It's not the race, it's the lack of integration into American society. They don't make more then a cursory effort to speak English. They insist on speaking spanish. They don't hoist the American Flag or it's colors but the Mexican one.

This is a great example ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4YgFADhTsM ). This is not what American's do. These aren't American's, these are Mexican nationals living on American soil.

edit:
Another example of lack of integration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO8MGmoVgGU
Exactly. Theres a difference between retaining a culture, and openly denouncing any attempt to integrate. Waving mexican flags, openly declaring a war on the American society, making zero attempt to speak the language, and protesting that they can come into the country illegally because they USED to own the land over a hundred years and fifty years ago, and lost to a war they couldve fought tooth and nail for but didnt. I dont care if youre mexican. I do care if they start claiming that parts of my country belong to another and/or if theyve come into this country illegally to do it. This country was founded by immigrants, but the vast majority of those immigrants became legalized citizens. And now those immigrants agree, that this land is our land, and if you want in, you need to go through the system. granted, the system is quite heavily flawed and needs to be lightened, but it still is a law, and should be followed. Most citizens agree that the border needs to be shutdown with unrelenting force, and those coming in must have the proper identification and papers to do so. The Mexicans do the exact same thing, because its the right thing to do. I dont get why we shouldnt do so as well.

"A 2002 Zogby poll reported that 58% of Mexicans believe that the southwestern US belongs to Mexico."

I dont know of any other immigrant group so fiercely denounce our culture after coming here. Arabs, Armenians, Asians, ect. have collectively made an effort to respect the new culture in which they have chosen to live in. The Mexicans, however, have made it clear that they arent exactly content with just living here (illegally AND legally), but to return the land back to mexico while reaping United States benefits of living.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_%28Mexico%29

[Ducimus]

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else."

- Theodore Roosevelt in speaking to the largely Irish Catholic Knights of Columbus at Carnegie Hall on Columbus Day 1915


"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

- Theodore Roosevelt in a letter on January 3, 1919 to the president of the American Defense Society

[Kaye T. Bai]

*snip*

Words of wisdom, right there.

[Tribesman]

Using the two quotes Ducimus supplied doesn't it make WASPs an irrelevance, unless of course you are a WASP-American in which case the quotes are having a go at you too