Notes from Germania

[Skybird]

Edit Nov. 2012:
I will use this thread to occasionally post interesting essays in German that I found no English translation for. Had to chose between the foreign language forums we also have, and GT, but I think this mixture here maybe becomes a very wild mixture and thus more belongs into GT, than the foreign language forums which seem to be more focussed.

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The dominant news for Germany in the past days was not so much the new French president, although that may be due to a slight underestimation of the relevancy of the French vote for Germany, but the federal state elections in Northrhine-Westphalia, home to 13 million Germans and thus the one of the 16 federal states with the biggest population of all.

The Merkel-party was given a crushing defeat, the socilists and Greens won with flying colours.

Northrhine-Westphalia is in a very threatening fincial situation, and while it has some better economic potnetial than greece, the financial situation has been compared to the dimension of the Greek tragedy, if one takes into account the differences in population. The old and most likely new coaltion government of SPD and greens have vowed to make more debts and increase the burden for the future generations, because their social responsibility ends with the voters whose vote they cna get right now. In the past two years, the plans for the fiscal budget have been stopped by the constitutional court due to violating debt limits and constitutional conditions imposed on budget plans. The socialists also want to make stronger absue of the "Länderfinanzausgleich" and suck more money from economically healthier and socially more realistically planning southern states like Bavaria and Baaden-Würtemberg. Just to underdstand that they cannot raise their spendings if their earnings break away - this is what they do not want to take into account. Quite the opposite, the SPD is currently on a party-trip in an attempt to unify qwith France's Hollande.

The once total dominance of the CDU in federal state parliaments, has being evaporated in recent elections, leaving the CDU with a minority only in the second national chmaber.

Merkel also has no names left that could line up by her side and support her. All potential rivals have been bitten away or voluntarily dropped the towel and left the party. Others got burnt up in scandals, were chasen away to positions where they could not threaten Merkel's authority, or got defeated in state elections. The CDU, by its program does not exist as a conswevative party anymore, since years. I mean it when I talk of Merkel'S party only. And Merkel is the only argument they have left to maybe win next year's national elections. With Europe jumping to the extreme left, Merkel now has a very difficult, isolated and lponely stand everywhere, national, international. But since she so far always has just balked loud, but then obeyed international pressure and allowed to hollow out the "tough decisions" she was advocating (especially the now disliked Sarkozy pulled her over the table several times), I somewhat doubt that it makes a real difference in total effects.

Germany's Social-Democrats return to relevancy (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/spd-and-greens-strengthened-in-german-state-vote-a-833007.html)

"It's going to get harder for Merkel" (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-response-to-cdu-defeat-in-the-north-rhine-westphalia-election-a-833003.html)

One thing is worth to be mentioned. In number of total votes, ALL established parties have lost, even those who won in shares and seats. It has been like that in the election two weeks ago in Schleswig-Holstein as well. Interesting also is the age-structure of voters in said elections. It were the old ones going to vote, while the younger ones stayed away. The erosion of wide acceptance of democracy as well as trust in established poltical structures and established names is continuing. And the Pirates, well, they are no political party but both an egopist and ifantile protest movement playing anarchy and calling that circus politics. Amusing, but not really helpful, not even for a politician-eater like me. Their level of lacking education, knowledge and competences is terrifying.

I know I know, Penguin, I've seen your sig. But sorry: no sorry at all - that's what I think about them.

[Penguin]

What sig do you mean Sky? The sail forming a P is for Penguin, it's black because I have a black heart. :know:
The party I actually voted for, got a whopping 0.3% :sunny:They got me with the proposition to build a wall around Düsseldorf. And: die PARTEI hat immer recht (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYU40R2qrWs)

I see the pirates atm as a single-issue party, they are about civil liberties just like the Greens have been about enviromental issues. Well, it's questionable if the latter ever got out of the single-issue biotop...

It's exciting that it's still possible to put some arrows into our de-facto 2 party system, to make it into the parliament on a platform about civil rights. It is definitely good to see that people still care about these issues, especially regarding the detoriation of those that is going on here. And time will tell if the Pirates will become the basis-democratic organization they long to be.

Oh and the Spezialdemokraten are no more socialists since at least 1958, I'd go and say since 1915. The Spiegel-link uses the right term: social-democrats - in opposition to democratic socialists which would be Die Linke. For me they consist of too many weirdos in NRW to get the honor to receive my vote.

[Skybird]

In case you did not know it, Germany in reality is no secular state. While on paper it is, in reality the state serves as an enforcer of tax bills for the churches. Yes, in case you did not know this either, in Germany church taxes are madatory. We certainly have left the medieval behind us, but hey, why so extreme, we certainly must not get rid of all theocratic practices there were, we can keep the one or the other bad habit, just for sentimental remembrance of the bad old days, in case our historic memory fails us once again, like it does so often, eh?

Where in other countries churches must make their living by voluntary contributions of their fanclubs (look how nicely that works for televengalists in US TV!), in history-aware Germany anti-secularism does not stop just with church taxes, no, of course there is also the fact that the Vatican still is given diplomatic status as if it were a state, the church is allowed to maintain its own parallel legal system with its own internal legislation, and public property that was to 90% and more raised with public general tax funding and during operation to 90% or more gets financed by public funding (for example hospitals or kindergardens), is allowed to be officially given into church possession and legislation, in other words even non-members of the church, even people totally opposing the church and its brainwashing ideology are legally obliged to pay for the church and give its craving for recognition and power a financial boost instead of the middle finger. Good ol Skybird may have left the church 28 years ago, may be an atheist and may be totally hostile to this psychotic monkey circus that the church is - but he stills cannot avoid to financially support it by his - thankfully small - general tax contributions. Seen that way I am very happy that I need to get over the month with relatively little money.

However, the news that made all this worth to write a note from Germany, is a surprise that my favourite jesters from the Greens have come up with. A group of them, with parliamentary credits, think it is the modern secular politician's duty to assist the church in stopping the trend of once submissive believers fleeing the church in huge numbers. This trend might have something to do with a general raise in reasonability and education in our society and culture (although that is hard to belive, hehe) , science and wildfiring internet information hurricanes may play a role, a general scepticism for the obscene dogmas the church has tormented people for too long with, the many scandals over pedophiles finding refuge from police law enforcement as long as they wore a soutane when absuing children and teenagers, the sick sexual morals of the church, The successful campaign of the church for spreading AIDS and human suffering, the massive tax evasion and the general financial corruption that especially the Catholic church shows since decades and centuries.

These Green politicians, all of them active Catholics engaged in layman church and bible work, now said that this trend of shrinking church communities has to be stopped, and they constructed an argument of that people only give up their faith because their households' budgets are so very small already from all the inflation and cold progression and bailout for poor bankers and shrinking real wages; and so they do not want to get a rip by the churches anymore. Internal criticism of the church is not people's motive, these Green Catholics conclude. So they want to stop the fleeing from the church, by imposing a mandatory culture tax on everybody who is fleeing the church tax by leaving the church. If people will pay the same or even more money that way, not only will this stop the shrinking of the herd of sheep in the Gothic and Romanic stables, it maybe will even push some atheists back into the church who outside the church would need to pay even higher taxes than they would need to pay church taxes.

Give to the church the things that are the church's, and if you disagree with it, give it all that nevertheless, and then some more.

Isn't secularism just great! And I thought Green underhandedness was just limited to environmentalism and securing governmental power!

[Tribesman]

Well there you go, take a break from fretting about the fundamentalist timebomb of demographic muslims which is turning the deutch into a global caliphate, germany is really a theocracy anyway with some very dodgy conspiracies in play.

Any of the germans on the forum want to tell Sky how to not pay tax to a church that he doesn't belong to:rotfl2:

I do like his rant about the greens being all catholics, even the muslim ones not to mention the protestants and heaven forbid they would have someone with the humanists who want a seperation of church and state, but maybe that is just a ploy to spread aids and grab money eh:doh:

[Skybird]

Germans show an increasing willingness to boost multiculturalism in Germany by integrating themselves in Germany.

If you do not understand the bitter irony in this sentence, read again until you do.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germans-try-integrating-with-turkish-migrant-population-a-835653.html

Meanwhile, new German president Gauck, who already has shone with several occasions where he talked bollocks and overstepped his authority, relativises a statement by his predecessor who said in 2010 that Islam were a part of Germany. Instead, Gauck said that Muslims living in Germany are part of Germany. Muslim lobby groups are now ferociously angry again. One must know in this context that Islam claims that modern Europe and especially Germany and the developement of Europe's culture since rennaissance and enlightenment would not be thinkable without Islam having played a leading role in these processes, a claim that by historcal fact is nothing else but forging history and completely rewriting it (which you can see to have happened in all places were Islam arrived and took over control). Ironically, now Gauck gets accused of forging history - although this is one of the things he got right. Islam played no role in the forming of German culture and history indeed, especially no positive one. What was felt in the lands that form Germany today over the past centuries, were only the military threat posed by the Islamic invasion of Southern Europe, and later the Ottoman empire.

Early April I heared a radio rpeort on some Islamic nuthead in Marsaille who seriously claimed that the French historians are all lying when saying that Napoleon'S expeditionary corps ever landed in Egypt. The European, this nuthead claims, had been to impotant to acchieve that, but instead it were the Muslims visiting europpoe and forming ties weith Napoleon. The artifacts in French museums that had been collected by Napoleon in Egypt, were presents the Muslim visitors handed over when arriving in France.

Sounds funny? Well, do you still laugh when you hear that there are some people in the academic establishement who advise that such views should be considered in any serious debate? They mentioned some names that meant nothing to me on that radio show and who certainly are as nutty as that Muslim rewriter of history. But still - isn'T it discouraging that such nonsense even can take place without the academic colleagues just chasing these nutties out and away?

[Skybird]

I will use this thread to occasionally post interesting essays in German that I found no English translation for. Had to chose between the foreign language forums we also have, and GT, but I think this mixture here maybe becomes a very wild mixture and thus more belongs into GT, than the foreign language forums which seem to be more focussed.

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This is called "Manifesto against labour". It describes how the motto "working to live" has been replaced by "living to work", and how this unhealthy u-turn must and does collide with the fact that our modern society prodcues wealth by depending less and lesser on traditional work forces. And that is a real conflict.

LINK: Manifest gegen die Arbeit (http://www.krisis.org/1999/manifest-gegen-die-arbeit/print/)

[Skybird]

We have power: "Auch wenn vielen das Licht der Aufklärung zu grell ist und sie sich in schummrige Gemütlichkeit zurücksehnen: Strom macht aus Menschen erst richtige Menschen."

LINK: We have power (http://www.welt.de/print/die_welt/debatte/article110585269/We-have-power.html)

[Skybird]

From Austria: a reflection on why it is not important whether Obama or Romney has won, because the problems remain to be the same, and the options remain as limited.

LINK: Was für Amerika wichtiger ist als Barack vs. Mitt (http://www.andreas-unterberger.at/2012/11/was-fuer-amerika-wichtiger-ist-als-barack-vs-mitt/)


Ganz Europa hat bis zuletzt atemlos das Rennen Obama-Romney verfolgt. Warum eigentlich? Primär weil das weltweite Mediensystem in jeder Frage stark amerikalastig ist. Das sieht man etwa an den riesigen Berichten über die Hurrikan-Schäden in den USA, während das schwerer getroffene Haiti nur einspaltig behandelt worden ist. Dazu kommt, dass amerikanische Präsidentenwahlen dramaturgisch sehr spannend aufgebaut sind; sie eskalieren von den ersten Wahlkämpfen für Primaries bis zur Analyse jedes einzelnen „Swing“-Staates über ein Jahr. Dennoch ist die in Europa erfolgende Überbetonung dieses Wahlgangs eine Verzerrung der wirklich Wichtigkeiten.

Denn erstens ist ein amerikanischer Präsident gegenüber dem US-Kongress erstaunlich schwach, also gar nicht so mächtig, wie wir glauben. Zweitens sind die sachlichen Entscheidungen, vor denen die USA stehen, viel wichtiger und spannender als jede Personalfrage.
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Ob es der Sieger schaffen wird oder überhaupt kann, in all diesen Herausforderungen zu bestehen? Es ist jedenfalls schade, dass sie im amerikanischen Wahlkampf weitgehend untergegangen sind. Diese Themen wurden in der europäischen Berichterstattung noch viel mehr vernachlässigt, die sich wie bei einem Sportereignis auf den Wettkampf an sich konzentriert. Die sich lieber für einzelne verbale Hoppalas der Kandidaten oder für die Frage interessiert, welcher First-Lady-Typ einem sympathischer wäre: die emanzipierte und politisch ambitionierte Frau Obamas oder die sich ganz auf ihre Aufgabe in der Familie konzentrierende Frau Romneys . . .

[Skybird]

About majority decisions and their limits, and direct and representative democracy:

LINK: Liberalismus und direkte Demokratie: Ein Weg zur Begrenzung politischer Macht? (http://ef-magazin.de/2012/08/03/3630-liberalismus-und-direkte-demokratie-ein-weg-zur-begrenzung-politischer-macht)

In an ideal EU-world where written laws and treaties actually would still have a meaning instead of being notoriously broken, eroded, turned, ignored, changed and evaded, I could live with what the author says. But the EU is not like that. Instead, the Federal Republic has striking similarities with the former German Democratic Republic in the old East and its puppet parliament and its pseudo-elections, and the EU reminds me extremely strongly of the power structures and administration that we have seen in the former Soviet Union. The tools of democratic claims get abused and hijacked to deceive over the dictatorial ways by which governing power now is processed to secure more power and to actually reduce liberal freedoms and democracy in both Germany and the whole EU.

So much ideological well-meaning and so many ideals fixed in writing on oh so patient paper.

It's a bit like with the bigger chocolate Santa Clauses you can buy in the stores again. They look like so much chocolate - but they all are hollow. And it does not matter whether "made in Germany", "made in the EU" or "made in the US" is printed on the bottom sticker.

[Skybird]

That the refusal of German politicians to simply criminalize and ban the genital mutilation of boys - as demanded by a huge majority of Germans and an overwhelming majority of doctors - sooner or later would encourage fans of female gential mutilation to demand its legalization and to abandon the UN campaign promoting its ban, was forseeable and was to be expected. And now here we go.

LINK: Mediziner will Vaginalbeschneidung legalisieren (http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article111030661/Mediziner-will-Vaginal-Beschneidung-legalisieren.html)

This Egyptian barbar still is not banned from the Geneva medical organisation where he is associated. Why they still have not thrown him out, remains to be a mystery. Maybe because he is not just an atheist or some worthless Christian kuffar, but a precious Muhameddan and thus a herold for the religion of peace,freedom, tolerance and justice?

Two details of his argument are illustrating such an ammount of perfidy that they demand special recognition:


Das Verbot der weiblichen Genitalbeschneidung scheint geschlechtsbezogen zu sein, insbesondere weil kein ähnliches Handeln gegen männliche Beschneidung vorgenommen wurde." Gegner weiblicher Genitalverstümmelung, welche die männliche Beschneidung als sicher betrachten, sollten sich für die Verbesserung der Bedingungen für eine weibliche Beschneidung aussprechen, statt ein Verbot durchzusetzen, schreibt Kandeel in seinem Artikel.

Die schweren psychischen Folgen einer Beschneidung relativiert der Professor so: Minderwertigkeitsgefühle seien "offenkundig, wenn diese Frauen in westliche Gesellschaften auswandern, in denen die weibliche Beschneidung nicht praktiziert wird." Diese psychologische Last entstehe durch die Verurteilung westlicher Gesellschaften der weiblichen Beschneidung als abnormal.

Im Islam sei eine weibliche Beschneidung des Types I vorgesehen. Da die muslimische Bevölkerung die zweitgrößte der Welt sei, "scheint es logisch, eine juristische Haltung gegenüber weiblicher Beschneidung erneut zu bedenken", so Kandeel.

Die Schmerzen und Schwierigkeiten, die aus einer weiblichen Genitalbeschneidung resultieren, förderten Stärke und die Identität der Frauen und machten sie "stark" und "begehrenswert".


Sick, and underhanded. The victims of female mutilation feel inferior because Western society discriminates them and dispises the procedure - that's why it should be legalized? Genital mutilation because of women's rights...? How perverted has this world become...??

Proves my point that I make so often: That in Islam, same terms like "freedom", "tolerance" and "equality" have totally opposing meanings than in Western culture, and thus both are incompatible.

Really. Sick this all, is, totally sick. It was to be expected and interest groupos have warned of it. But politicians, as always, knew it all so much better. Perverts.

Genital mutilation of children and juveniles is a major crime, no matter whether boy or girl. Everybody violating the trust and physical integrity of his children by allowing it or even ordering it, should be sentenced for a major crime and should serve prison time, up top several years, imo. It's in no way just a trivial offence, but a major crime by base motives.

[Skybird]

After German Angst, now comes the German Mut.

Deutschland: Das Land der mutigen Zeichensetzer (http://www.welt.de/debatte/article111120330/Der-German-Mut-feiert-sich-am-liebsten-selbst.html)

[Skybird]

A book is being released these days, with the nice title: "Prolokratie - Demokratisch in die Pleite". Here is an excerpt from my next book purchase:

LINK: Prolokratie (http://www.ortneronline.at/?p=19843)


Gleichzeitig verschiebt sich durch diese demokratische Technik des Machterhaltes mittels Wählerbestechung zu Lasten künftiger Generationen das Verhältnis zwischen der Zahl jener, die Nettoempfänger des Staates und seiner milden Gaben sind, und jener, die diesen Staat durch ihre Arbeit und ihre Leistung finanzieren. Erstere werden tendenziell immer mehr, zweitere hingegen immer weniger. Spätestens ab diesem Zeitpunkt ist die Demokratie akut in Gefahr, sich höchst demokratisch in die Pleite zu wählen. Denn die Mehrheit der Nettoempfänger wird durchaus rational und ganz legitim für immer neue und immer teurere Sozialleistungen stimmen. Da sie keine Einkommenssteuern zahlen, haben Jessica und Kevin dabei nur zu gewinnen. Die Leistungsträger und Nettozahler können und wollen diese Lasten jedoch nur bis zu einem gewissen Punkt schultern. Irgendwann ist ihnen beim schlechtesten Willen keine zusätzliche Steuerleistung mehr abzupressen.

Wohin das führt, hat schon Abraham Lincoln, 16. Präsident der Vereinigten Staaten, geahnt: »Ihr werdet die Schwachen nicht stärken, indem ihr die Starken schwächt. Ihr werdet denen, die ihren Lebensunterhalt verdienen müssen, nicht helfen, indem ihr die ruiniert, die sie bezahlen. Ihr werdet keine Brüderlichkeit schaffen, indem ihr Klassenhass schürt. Ihr werdet den Armen nicht helfen, indem ihr die Reichen ausmerzt. Ihr könnt den Menschen nie auf Dauer helfen, wenn ihr für sie tut, was sie selber für sich tun sollten und können.«
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Der Verdacht liegt nahe, dass dem demokratischen System, wie wir es kennen, die frivole Neigung zum Staatsbankrott innewohnt. Und zwar nicht durch Missbrauch, durch untaugliches politisches Personal oder politische Betriebsunfälle, sondern weil es gleichsam in seiner Natur liegt. In Einzelfällen ist es Staaten ab und zu gelungen, demokratische Mehrheiten für notwendige Sparmaßnahmen und damit eine Reduktion des Wohlstandes der Mehrheit zu organisieren. Die Regel ist das aber nicht, sonst wären die demokratischen Staaten in Summe nicht heute in einem Ausmaß verschuldet, das die Grenze des Vernünftigen schon weit hinter sich gelassen hat und in die Region des Gefährlichen vorgedrungen ist.

Daraus ergeben sich ein paar heikle Fragen. Ist die Demokratie, so wie wir sie heute kennen, wirklich das Beste aller denkbaren politischen Betriebssysteme zur Bewältigung der sehr turbulenten Zeiten, die vor uns liegen? Was sollte an dieser Demokratie verändert werden, um ihre fatale Neigung zur Überschuldung zu beseitigen? Oder gibt es gar Alternativen zur westlichen Parteiendemokratie, die deren Vorteile erhalten, ohne deren Nachteile in Kauf nehmen zu müssen?

[Skybird]

Two notes on one day: This book excerpt from Austria's Die Presse

LINK: Wir Moslems können nicht gleichzeitig mit euch existieren (http://diepresse.com/home/meinung/gastkommentar/1314126/Wir-Moslems-koennen-nicht-gleichzeitig-mit-euch-existieren)

The author Rita Breuer, Dr. phil., is an orientalist specialised on Islam and has lived for years in Muslim countries. She has authored several books, many of them competent and uncompromised broadsides against the churches' nice-talking and glossing over the murderous record of the churches' "dialogue" with Islam, which has left tens of thousands of Christian killed, massacred, and thousands of churches in Muslim countries brunt and devastated.

As I see it, Christian churches are as desinterested in letting their followers be slaughtered in the name of their ideology glorifying weakness and masochism, as Muslim hate preachers are desinterested in the lifes of their followers that they encourage to blow up themselves in suicide attacks. Just that the Muslim preacher does so to explicitly kill infidels, while the church representative does so in order to hide that his followers get murdered.

A perfect partnership it seems, both work hand in hand: the one wants to kill the other, the other cooperates with the first in optimising the opportunities for the first. :up:

[Skybird]

One of the most profilated and competent experts of the Euro-misery in an interview on the sins of the Euro dilettantism haunting the continent. In Germany, Sarrazin has a legendary status, and is extremely polarizing. Either people agree with him - that are usually those knowing the matter and knowing the numbers and hard facts -, or they totally hate him for daring to speak out the politically uncorrect, unwanted truths that ideologists and EU-drunk socio-junkeys do not want to hear.

I use to agree with him very much, both on his devastating criticism of failed migration policies and the problem of Islamic subculture preventing integration and what both mean for the costs of the social system and social stability, and on his criticism of a hijacked and misled EU-project and the Euro-disaster. On both things, the numbers and official federal statistics are backing him - something the hate-dripping critics attacking and defaming him, comfortably tend to ignore and never lose a word about. As our own chancellor once said: she knows that what he says is wrong although she admitted that she did not care for reading him. In other words she does not know what she is talking about when saying he nevertheless is wrong. Demagogic bitch this former FdJ-chief-secretary for propaganda is.

In other words: it cannot be what should not be. But again: numbers and statistics that form the working basis of the German ministries, are in support of Sarrazin. His two books are overflowing with solid numerical and statistical basis.

Well, this is him on the Euro:

LINK: "Gefühlige Europa-Besoffenheit" (http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/staatsverschuldung/tid-28196/thilo-sarrazin-im-interview-gefuehlige-europa-duselei_aid_864472.html)

Sarrazin was senator of finance in the city-state of Berlin, then became member on the board of directors of the German Federal Bank, where he got mobbed out then. He has had two bestsellers in recent years, "Deutschland schafft sich ab", and "Europa braucht den Euro nicht". The first led to maybe the biggest public controversy in German post-war society, and the biggest which-hunt against a person in Germany that so far I have experienced in my life. Left-leaning papers openly wished him in essays and articles a miserable, suffering death. His face is partially paralysed due to a stroke, the left Tageszeitung just days ago wished him that the next stroke he suffers would hopefully do a better, final job on him.

Such is the standard of German quality media these days. I admit that in general they are clearly below the standards of British and especially American newspapers. The main issue is that in germany, fact-oriented report and opinion do not get separated, but get mixed, where as in American papers, from the NYT to the Washington Post, you see a much clearer separation between objective reporting of events and facts, and socalled "opinion pieces". Of course, American TV channels are excluded from my praise. As much as I can judge them from this distance, they are a mess, and extremely biased towards one of the two parties (the commercials-terror not even mentioned). And FOX imo is one of the worst TV channels I have ever heard of, a declaration of bancruptcy by journalism, lacking even minimums of fairness and manners.

[Skybird]

I sometimes mention "official" versus "implicit" or "unofficial" debts, and while explaining briefly what I mean by that, the term "implicit debts" is my own, since as far as I know there is no general term being used in description of what I refer to. So it is possible that there is some confusion, or that I even hijacked the term and abuse it somehow. I am not familiar with precise economic terminology.

What I refer to, is that while everybody knows what is meant when a statistic says "debts are 70% of that nations GDP", "implicit debts", as I call them, add to these already manifest debts those debts that will become reality in the forseeable future, by obligations of the state that have their roots in policies whose financial consequences still need to unfold int he future, or in present conditions that again will lad to consequences of the future. The most prominent example are future pensioners. These are employees who still are working right now, but in some years will be leaving the job-world and then get payed by social budgets of the state, adding a financial burden to it. Social systems are the biggest contributor to the explosion of implicit debts.

The following is a study done by the German Stiftung Martkwirtschaft, that examines Germany'S implicit debts. In the present, the government says that German debts are around 80% of Germany'S GDP, or around 2 trillion. The study shows a calculation of implicit/future debts rising to 230% of the GDP, or 5,9 trillion in total. In various threads I mentioned the implicit/future debt to be around 6-8 or 6-9 trillions. Note that somewhere in the study there is a link to another study indeed calculating for a total of 8 trillion in future debts.

The study compares European states by their implicit debts, and surprisingly sees Italy to be the best performing candidate in this category, and surprisingly again Luxembourg being one of the worst future protagonists.

The study bases on raw data by the European Commission.

LINK: Tatsächliche Staatsverschuldung im Überblick (http://www.stiftung-marktwirtschaft.de/wirtschaft/themen/generationenbilanz.html)

The outlook for many European nations is grim. Worst it will become in Ireland, Luxembourg and Greece. They all have a sustainability gap beyond 1000% (one thousand percent). The UK is close to this bottom group, with almost 900%.

The abstract of the study is available in English here: LINK (http://www.stiftung-marktwirtschaft.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Generationenbilanz/Kurzpapier_internationaler_Nachhaltigkeitsvergleic h_BJ2010_englisch.pdf)