Hardcore enough to not reload after death?

[goldensleeve]

Hello! Im new here. Was wondering if any people here are commited to the historical sim approach enough to refuse to reload a save after dying, but instead go ahead and abandon the career and start a new one?

I gotta admit, Ive always wanted to do this consistently, but goldurn if it can be hard after getting pretty far along! Anyone disciplined enough to do this 100%?

[Herr-Berbunch]

I think a lot of people finish one career and start another from that time. It's a good way of working through to the end and reaching those moments when it becomes a bit harder, like the increase in allied air power in 1942 (iirc). It's something I always said I'd do, but only did it a couple of times before I'd lose a save and I'd think 'sod it - back to the beginning!'.

It's certainly better, and more realistic than going the whole way with just one guy! :yep:

[Wolfstriked]

Play the game with this in mind and you will not put yourself into bad circumstances.What I mean is that if you take the time and set up attacks so you can get their accurate course and then plan an attack correctly so you can avoid being attacked in the first place.If you attack from a decent range and then dive and go silent the DD's most likely will never find you.Players will get in close and be desperate to get tonnage and this causes easy deaths.

[andwii]

the only time ive ever done this is when the death was a cause of high time compression collison, acdently hitting D(my cat did that once, I died) or in one case I was in the middle of the convoy and I got a message saying we were under attack, turns out for some reason the ship surfaced and I didnt press anything. lol

[JFU]

I start a new one if i die, i didint first but then i found myself playing sloppy and not thinking my attacks to the end, this way like other have said, i dont put myself in a stupid position that might end with my death justbecause i was to greedy on the tonnage.

[goldensleeve]

I like it! Im inspired to go ahead and commit :rock:. No more cheating. It's gonna make me enjoy the game that much more, cause really it's the most you can do for yourself as far as taking a step towards "realistic" feel! Makes actions much more commiting. How often have I wished I had saves in my real life? :wah:

[Osmium Steele]

I always have one D.I.D. (Dead Is Dead) campaign going; starting in Sept. '39. However, I have quite a few others going as well to learn late war skills. I'm less stringent with those, but if I do something stupid, I'll play it D.I.D. as well.

[Sailor Steve]

Dead Is Dead. As others have mentioned, I do reload if the cause is absolutely nothing to do with me. If I screw up and they kill me, I'm dead.

On the other hand I have a constant cheat going: Ever since my SH1 days when they offered me two different options for starting the war, I've always run simultaneous careers, one from each available command. If one of the dies, or retires, I start a new one from that flotilla at the same month. Since I use the 'Realistic Career' option in SH3 Commander, sooner or later every career ends whether I die or not. If I ever reach 1942 I'm going to have a lot going on with SH3, SH4 and SH4 U-Boats all at the same time.

[Gargamel]

I have yet to not play a DiD career. I've had playtime careers, with weird settings and such to try things, but any career that I plan on playing more than a few patrols is DiD.

[Captain Nemo]

I play DiD but have to admit it's gutting to get sunk when you have made significant progress through the war.

Nemo

[Hinrich Schwab]

Dead-is-Dead is normally how I play. It is the only way to take the simulator seriously. One is much more cognizant of making mistakes and avoiding "Bernard" tactics when screwing up means permanent game over. The only exception is in the wake of a game crash or a critical bug that results in an unexpected loss. I have learned in both lost careers and aborted patrols that Time Compression is not your friend. This is true even if you never exceed 128x to avoid the weather bug.

[UndertheEagle]

I have to admit, I try to stick to dead-is-dead. If I am unlucky enough to be sunk whilst attempting to attack a ship/convoy (or run into some Flower Class randomly sailing about!!) then it's a fair cop and my Captain is dead.

Accidently hitting C whilst not concentrating is room for a reload however!!

[Sailor Steve]

WELCOME ABOARD! :sunny:

[UndertheEagle]

Cheers!:salute:

[Sailor Steve]

The original question used the word "hardcore". You want "hardcore"? I'll give you "hardcore".

Take your career very seriously. Among the people I tabletop game with we have a running joke. Anytime anyone talks about "serious" gaming we propose that if my dice kill one of your figures on the table, I get to smash it with a Hammer. Figs cost money and a lot of effort goes into painting them, so this is a challenge that nobody ever accepts.

So, if you want hardcore, try this: The next time you die and lose a career, put the game away and don't touch it for a year. Or a month, if you prefer. :O:

[Herr-Berbunch]

So, if you want hardcore, try this: The next time you die and lose a career, put the game away and don't touch it for a year. Or a month, if you prefer. :O:

I thought you were going to say put a hammer to his PC!!! :o

DID or not, realistic or not, it doesn't matter, as long as fun is had along the way. :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

I thought you were going to say put a hammer to his PC!!! :o
No. I also wasn't going to say "If your captain dies, kill yourself!"
:rotfl2: :dead:

DID or not, realistic or not, it doesn't matter, as long as fun is had along the way. :yep:
True 'dat! :rock:

[Kapt Z]

So, if you want hardcore, try this: The next time you die and lose a career, put the game away and don't touch it for a year. Or a month, if you prefer. :O:

Shhhhhhhh! Don't tell my wife! She'd kiss you if you could get me to play that way.:haha:

[asr]

Reloading after death kills all the fun! :arrgh!:

You will be very careful and protective to your sub if you know that any mistake can put an end to your career. :nope:

In fact I think that the more correct way is to stop playing for at least a week if you are killed :timeout:

[Sailor Steve]

In fact I think that the more correct way is to stop playing for at least a week if you are killed :timeout:
My problem is that I usually don't get to play more than one day a week anyway! :dead:

[zygoma]

I guess I'm a wuss, but as a perpetual n00b, I'm still learning the intricacies of the ga.........errrr, sim. I've got 4 simultaneous careers, giving me a chance to spend a couple of days at a time in a Type IId, a couple in a VIIC (my favorite, I think), a IX, and a XXI. I've only recently started running this sim again after about 6 years away from it -- I found my disk AND the forum again, so now I'm getting help that I didn't know how to ask for when I first installed SH3.
My intent is to play a career as DiD after I feel I've "mastered" one of the boats, so I'm not constantly scratching my head and mumbling about Bernard seasoning the stew with dish soap, then clogging the heads with rags......as we approach crush depth......
I save each patrol at every grid I pass through if nothing of note happens there, and upon each air or sea contact. That way, when I see what choices are likely to lead to a fatal outcome, I know to avoid them. I get to see if a U-Flak boat is any good for B24 squadrons, or if it's better to keep the deck gun (I haven't been able to sink anything bigger than a tug boat with Flak). I try to imagine how much "annoyance" it is to lose a couple of chiefs and seamen from strafing when I'm 8,000 km from my base, as everyone else has more to do during a patrol then.
Once I can get to the end of the war with one of the boat styles, I'll start a new career in that boat (if possible; if not, I'll work up to it) as DiD and see if I've learned enough.
I've still only got about 5 months' experience since I re-started using this sim, and at least I've got all the realism turned on except manual targeting. I'll put in GWX with its better "optics" and steering instruments on my main machine, and try to put my new-found knowledge from all you more experienced boat commanders (both sim AND R/L, I've found) and see how I do.
However, I *do* intend to keep using the pause button and take advantage of the "CO's head" here in my nicely air-conditioned "quarters"' I'm not hardcore yet to share a bucket with 30 other guys and pump up the humidity to 95% ;)
Cheers and toodles,
-- Zygoma -- The Perpetual n00b

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[Kavok]

I follow DiD. I also take each new career "from the top" in 1939 regardless of how far I get before I meet my fate.

Was convinced I'd had it in that last patrol at the hands of a Black Swan with depth charges - they had me banged to rights really. I thought of all the effort and concentration it's taken to get to Dec '41 and it was a terrible feeling to think that it could have ended there. Genuine tension at hand!

[Sailor Steve]

I follow DiD. I also take each new career "from the top" in 1939 regardless of how far I get before I meet my fate.
I can't start at the beginning every time since I also use Commander's 'Realistic Career' function, which means I get 6-8 patrols and I'm done. The next one picks up where that one left off.

[sharkbit]

I follow DiD. I also take each new career "from the top" in 1939 regardless of how far I get before I meet my fate.



I do what Steve does-I run siultaneous careers in different flotillas. When one of my commanders get sunk or gets retired, I start a new one where that one left off.

I want to try to experience the whole war: from the happy times to just trying to survive the war. My latest career is Jan, '44 in the Med and July '43 in the Atlantic and boy is it hard. I've been feeling pretty lucky making it thru two patrols before going down.

:)

[Kptlt. Siegmann]

Once I got the hang of the sim with GWX back in the day, I switched to DiD. Keeps me honest and I get more fun out of it. Only exception, as with most other Kaleuns, is if it was a TC collision and the TC collision safety didn't trigger (the one that knocks your TC down to 4x if you're in imminent danger of colliding with something). If it goes down to 4x and I still collide with whatever the game thinks I'm going to collide with, then oh well, I was being a stupid Kaleun really. That includes running aground while submerged. The Collision safety has kicked in for just about everything really, from running aground to those lightships that the watch crew don't report.

Side note: Running into mines is the one exception of the collision safety not triggering. If I run into one of those and don't survive, then, for me Herr Kaleun, the war is over :damn: (it's happened once)

[Sailor Steve]

(the one that knocks your TC down to 4x if you're in imminent danger of colliding with somethin)
There's your problem. First, there is no TC collision warning. There is a TC reduction depending on the situation: Enemy Spotted, Land Proximity and many more. You need to go into Main.cfg to change the ones you want. I have all 'Spotted' functions set to 1. You can also change them with SH3 Commander.

[Kptlt. Siegmann]

There's your problem. First, there is no TC collision warning. There is a TC reduction depending on the situation: Enemy Spotted, Land Proximity and many more. You need to go into Main.cfg to change the ones you want. I have all 'Spotted' functions set to 1. You can also change them with SH3 Commander.

That's what I meant by collision warning. I didn't know what exactly that variable was called. Thanks :)

Land proximity is really the only collision I'm worried about. If I collide with anything else, it's probably my fault :damn:

I have yet found a good need to change the stock GWX TC settings, unless I'm really missing something, lol.

[Iron Budokan]

I usually play Dead is Dead as well. And I usually play that on 1x.

I simply haven't had time to play lately because I've been so busy with work. But I'd like to get back to starting a new career. :)

[Sailor Steve]

I have yet found a good need to change the stock GWX TC settings, unless I'm really missing something, lol.
For me anything spotted drops to 1x. I don't need to be killed because a plane got there before I could do anything about it. Chasing and being chased are both 32x. Land is 128x. Dangerous, I know, but I don't have problesm with it.

[Kptlt. Siegmann]

That's a good point about the planes Steve. I should change that before planes start becoming a serious threat. For the land, 128 is usually enough time to react if you're paying attention anyway, since it triggers quite a ways out from the hazard in question. I might give that a try. Kiel canal is really annoying in the odd places where it wants to limit you in a few spots or while turning.

[the.terrabyte.pirate]

I started to play D.I.D when I finally got the hang of manual targeting and the fast 90 method. It makes me think twice about my approach and escape strategies, and about the risks I'm willing to take. I took my type II U-13 through to 1933 before my cockiness got the better of me and I hit a convoy in water too shallow.

Never again.

[Sailor Steve]

INever again.
I can't remember how many times I've said that.
:rotfl2:

[u crank]

D.I.D. is the only way I can now play. I've 'cheated' before and it just doesn't feel right. The 'sim' goes out of it. I agree that you are much more careful about your boat and crew and that's the way it should be.

But sometimes fate and bad luck come into play. A while back I started a career with a type IXB in 1942. My first patrol took me to Natal and then up and into the Caribbean. Almost 2 months and 38,000 tons later we headed for home. In a raging zero visibility storm 200 km from Spain we run into a giant , heavily escorted convoy. Managed to submerge and almost made it by. The last escort must have detected us cause next thing you know three or four DD's are going at it. Almost two hours of real time evasion ended with the dreaded death screen.

What to do? I was using 256 TC at the time and had some time to react. Computer slows when something big is near. I call it a 6th sense.:D. I ponder reloading but just couldn't do it. All that time invested and almost home. Haven't used a type IX since.:haha:

I love this game.

[flag4]

Almost two hours of real time evasion ended with the dreaded death screen.

All that time invested and almost home.

I love this game.


isnt that the way? AND still come out loving it...yep, me too:up:

[u crank]

isnt that the way? AND still come out loving it...yep, me too:up:

Yea that's true. Hey if it wasn't like that it would be pretty boring.:yep:

[andwii]

what I hate is when its foggy and you run into a destroyer, thank god for the ability to sink a destroyer by having him ram you :O:

ya Im not to sure how I made it out alive from that one.

[desertstriker]

i have 2 instalss of SH3. one is a DiD the other is the just to screw around (heavy mods IE 88 railgun and othe fun toys) and my DiD close to 100% realism.

my cheat one never feals right... its like taking the fun out of it which is why it has gone untouched for a few months.

[sublynx]

I follow Sailor Steve's DID style. SH3Commander's realistic career length option ticked, dump the Kaleun when he gets assigned a desk top or killed, and start a new career from that point of time. If the Kaleun survives the boat survives as well and I might keep the boat and the experienced crew for the next Kaleun - so basically I only lose the tonnage and the medals. However I've never made it past late 1943 yet, since I decided to go all the way back to 1939 after getting killed late 1943. (I was kind of battle fatigued and decided I wanted to play in happier times, with less radar, airplanes and elite destroyers and hedgehogs, and more deck gun shooting - playing hardcore DID that time actually made my life a lot easier :))

[VONHARRIS]

When I die , I never reload.
I always restart from 1939.
My objective is to finish the war in 100% realism + Hsie V16B1 patch.
The longest so far is late 1942 in the Carribean sea.

[Sailor Steve]

My objective is to finish the war in 100% realism.
1939 to 1945? That's something no real kaleun ever did.

[desertstriker]

1939 to 1945? That's something no real kaleun ever did.
so true all were killed or got a desk job. latest i have gotten is late 1944 and thats from a start in 1939. don't think any captain lasted that long either

[VONHARRIS]

so true all were killed or got a desk job. latest i have gotten is late 1944 and thats from a start in 1939. don't think any captain lasted that long either

I agree with that but this is only my objective.....:up:

[Sailor Steve]

And a fine objective it is. I would only point out that while your settings may be at 100% difficulty your objective is a long way from 100% realism.

[Red Heat]

Welcome to the wolfpack, goldensleeve... :salute:

[NightCrawler]

Before you strike in case of a convoy, first measure the depth, never strikes the convoy if water is shallow than 50Meter unless you have bigger balls than mine to say "No Guts No Glory"....but mostly ended is you pumping water and they(DD's) Will race you over

I play D=D, but i hate to hang out in the early wars, just sit and wait till the radio comes up with "WAR IT'S", than finally i come in action....

As Stock i ever reached to 1943 had the radar, and decoy, but never reached 44/45...

now in GWX gold 3.0, i doubt i can reach 42/43

[desertstriker]

Before you strike in case of a convoy, first measure the depth, never strikes the convoy if water is shallow than 50Meter unless you have bigger balls than mine to say "No Guts No Glory"....but mostly ended is you pumping water and they(DD's) Will race you over

I play D=D, but i hate to hang out in the early wars, just sit and wait till the radio comes up with "WAR IT'S", than finally i come in action....

As Stock i ever reached to 1943 had the radar, and decoy, but never reached 44/45...

now in GWX gold 3.0, i doubt i can reach 42/43

it also may be the play style. i will admit that sure using the deck gun is fun shooting at airplans is fun but those are mostly unnecessary risks. using torpedoes more often than the deck gun sets you up for future success in the late war years.

[twexl]

Been playing this for 9000 yrs ,only once got to the end of the war ,only cause I got chicken**** and avoided all danger in '44 then fled to Argentina.

[NightCrawler]

@twexl, At least you lives...

@desertstrike, Yes, if im lucky to have calm water and im in the area like AN14/AN13, and spotted a ship on broad daylight, yes i use Deckgun as a start that using torps....
And come home with 95.580 tonnage, with a VII class u boot, as you know, you have 17 torps in total, some players will come up, than how in the name of god, you have 95.580 tonnage..., after i publiced my logbook, i replied with used the deckgun...
When i have IXB, will get even more tonnage(if the game cooperate), sometimes on the way to patrol grid, didn't get any ship on map or spotted....

later the war like under Stock SHIII i kept distance when using deckgun like 2000 to 2500 meter, when cargo-ship have front and rear deckguns, but they're lousy shooter(in stock mode), in GWX 3.0, so far i have to reach 42/43 yet before i can come up with a conclusion... all i know, planes will be the pain in the ass around 42/43....

Now im at mid 1940, saving reown for IXB... and hopefully relocated to Lorient.. thats what IXB base, and thanks god no more AN13/AN14.. that will be crowded with DD's...

[BootsmanBoof]

I was playing DiD the other week, on my 11th patrol heading for home, and I didn't zoom the map in enough to see that my plotted course went straight through a small island NW of Scapa flow. At least that's what I think my mistake was, on high TC my IIa got destroyed (a mine maybe?). If I'd made it home I would have had a brand new VIIB waiting for me.......:wah:

Maybe I'll reload that one. Not sure.

[Sailor Steve]

You should. The game should have the same "spotted" routine for land as for ships and planes. That it doesn't isn't your fault. If the game cheats you then you're not cheating yourself by reloading.

[sublynx]

You should. The game should have the same "spotted" routine for land as for ships and planes. That it doesn't isn't your fault. If the game cheats you then you're not cheating yourself by reloading.

I agree. That is something the player has no control over and it's unrealistic too. The bridge crew would have noticed the land approaching. :) I'd reload that one.

[desertstriker]

same thing has happened to me a few times well not the exact same location. it could have been one of the cursed atols:hmmm:. so i would just reload as the situation you described is out of your control and a fluke in the game so it is a DiD exception:03:

[Redbear]

I don't reload a saved game after death, though I am not playing at 100%. I think it adds a bit of encouragement to be less reckless, especially if I've progressed a long way in my career. (To tell you the truth, by the time I have that decision to make, I've made or planned some new modification and want to try it out from the beginning anyway!) :yep:

[Troublous_Haze]

D.i.D.

[BootsmanBoof]

I did reload that one. Earned my VIIB by hard lessons, God help my new crewmen.

[Maceaciadh]

just got GWX 3 gold and will be starting my first DID soon, not sure how i will do as i die maybe once every 3 patrols in stock but i am very reckless so hopefully this gets me into a real submariners mind by hunting at longer ranges and at night etc etc.