Germany obediently assists whaling and shark finning mafia

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18055030

2002...

[Jimbuna]

Talk about 'over egging the pudding,....attempted murder indeed :nope:

[Tribesman]

So this plonker claims he was acting on the authority of guatamala yet this problem arises from an incident where he did a runner from the guatamalan authorities????????
Sounds like typical SS bull again.

[CaptainHaplo]

While the guy is a moron and SS is an absolute farce created so this guy could try for more than 15 min. of fame - I would that a decade would exceed the statute of limitations - assumin there is one.

[Catfish]

In my humble opinion there are far too few people that care for our "environment".
Because it is not our environment, we are part of it. It is always described as if it were outside of us, or we outside of the environment - BS !

If you want the whole world to look like the Chicago suburbs go on. As long as you can mow your lawn the scrapyard around the corner does not matter.

Read "The monkey wrench gang", and act accordingly.
Resist much, obey little.



edit: I take it Merkel will hold a speech tomorrow, claiming how she caught an internationally sought-for "terrorist"
:rotfl2:

[Penguin]

The banana republic of Germany is always willing to help its fellow banana republics....:nope:

I am not sure how exactly a mutual extradition treaty works, afaik it only goes for deeds that would also be punishable here, so let's check out the German laws:
The relevant penal code would be §315 (http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#StGBengl_000P315) - 10 years max, so the statue of limitations is also 10 years. I didn't find any source whcih says when exactly the event happened, the procuction notes of the film says that the producer joined Watson in April 2002. (http://www.sharkwater.com/sharkwaterProductionNotes.htm) So an exact date would be very relevant.
However if they go with attempted murder, there is no statue of limitations for that in the German penal code, maybe that's the reason for this moronic charge.

[Tribesman]

However if they go with attempted murder, there is no statue of limitations for that in the German penal code, maybe that's the reason for this moronic charge.
Attempted murder was the charge laid at the time so it cannot be a charge that is being pushed now to avoid any time limits.
They fled the jurisdiction after they had been arrested and charged, that would suggest that the current extradition application is all in order.

[Penguin]

Attempted murder was the charge laid at the time so it cannot be a charge that is being pushed now to avoid any time limits.
They fled the jurisdiction after they had been arrested and charged, that would suggest that the current extradition application is all in order.

Yes, you're right about that, apparently the attempted murder charge is some years old.
However you can't blame someone avoiding being prosecuted in a country with no effective legal system, where a judge offers to skip pressing charges for cash - at least that's what Watson states in his own article about Costa Rica, found here: http://www.seashepherd.org/commentary-and-editorials/2009/06/18/sharks-drugs-lies-and-corruption-in-costa-rica-150
A quite interesting aspect of the article is the connection between illegal finning and the drug mafia.
I'd really hate to see old Paul disappearing from the world by being shanked in some Costa Rican prison hellhole.

[Skybird]

Shark finning.

Sometimes I am ashamed to admit I am part of this human species.

This man fought against it, and compromised a whole industry in the region. Which earned him plenty of hostility from those profiteering from selling shark fins to Asia.

I am not nbeutral on this case, and I do not hide it. Japanese whalers doing scientific research. Shark finning. Food factories where animals get brutalised needlessly. Truck drivers electroshocking gentials of cattle with broken legs to get them crawling off the truck in panic and agony. Slaughtering dolphins once a year due to precious cultural traditions.

There are occasions when I prefer spilling the blood of humans to spilling that of weaker creatures. Cruel we call a deed that is choosen to be that. Not many species on this planet have the cognitive ability to make such higher choices for or against, most are more or less following instincts and do not know about good and evil, deadened senses and insensitivity. While we have the choice, we allow cruelty, and decide for formality and bureaucracy, money and culture - against the weaker creature, against the easing of it's unimaginable suffering. We are the only species on this planet able to decide to care for other species, or not.

And look what we make of this our potential. This our choice.

Certainly not a compliment for us.

One of the most telling indices of the civilizational standard of a society is how it treats the weaker, the depending, the helpless. That is with regard to other humans. But also with regard to other species.

[Tribesman]

However you can't blame someone avoiding being prosecuted in a country with no effective legal system, where a judge offers to skip pressing charges for cash - at least that's what Watson states in his own article about Costa Rica
Well there is that, but I would would put any statement by Watson pretty high on the zero credibility list.
As for the corrupt system, SS were perfectly happy dealing with those people before it went wrong for them

[soopaman2]

You act as if this surprises you.

I am not justifying breaking of any laws, or traditions, and social justice should always prevail.

But we (humans) are animals.

Except instead of prey, we chase money, since food is so easy to us now, we crave something invented to chase. This is part of it. Do you know what shark fin fetches in China?

Capitalism is awesome, especially when it (in the long run) contributes to the destruction of our balance.

No I am not a freaking treehugger (or socialist), but I am simply one who accepts how primal humans are, and we are no better than beetles fighting over a piece of feces.

Edit: Just because we are capible on concise communication, does not make us better. Now eat a steak, and embrace it. Just don't act as if we are more civilized than a lion eating a hyena.

[Skybird]

On the one hand you say we are animals, on the other you list characteristics that no animal shares with us, and that are pretty sick and disgusting in themselves even if not comparing them to something else.

Even in some of our euphemistically so-called holy scriptures many of our capitalistic ways and goings are condemmned, and not just referring to a desert god threatening hellfire, but because actually it makes sense from a ration point what for example Jesus was preaching.

Seen that way, saying we are animals is an offence to animals.