Sh 4 on a Mac?

[jldjs]

Anyone know how to run SH 4 on a Mac? I can run it under Bootcamp but would like to run on Mac os. I'm very new to Mac Pro and heard about Wine but would like to know how to use it.

[Rockin Robbins]

Wine is also used in Linux, same basic operating system as Mac but absolutely free and able to be run legally on all PC's (because there are no Macs any more, just PCs. Apple's only computer product is its operating system).

Anyway, I am unable to get Wine to play amicably with SH4, although I can run Steam in a crippled kind of way.

Both OSX and Linux share the same defect in that they were consciously designed not to play games, which were looked upon as a trivial waste of the computer's awesome business prowess. One thing you can take to the bank every day is the assumption of Apple Computer's arrogance.

As it turns out, one major factor in the superiority of the Windows platform has been its endorsement of games. They have pushed graphics capability, sound handling and processing power far beyond what business applications would require, making inexpensive, superior components available for all.

It was so successful in creating superior architecture that Apple surrendered the hardware field to market generic PCs for inflated prices, justifying their existence by the the inclusion of OSX, unavailable on an identical machine not sold by them. I sneer in their general direction.:haha:

The Linux guys are showing some smarts. I wouldn't be surprised to see games working well on Linux very soon, maybe with game companies producing versions designed to work with Linux.

For now, your best bet on native Mac is Steam. As for Apple and games, who knows? You DO know that they regard you as a renter of their machine. They will decide what runs and what doesn't on the machine you paid too much for, but do not have ownership rights to.

Give me the anarchy of the Windows/Linux world any time. Totalitarianism just makes me mad.:arrgh!:

[Daniel Prates]

Give me the anarchy of the Windows/Linux world any time. Totalitarianism just makes me mad.:arrgh!:

This gem of a quote by RR shows well why there are so many people wiling to support tirants. Its just that, for most day-to-day issues, they are like MACs: they make things work! :haha:

[Rockin Robbins]

Like trojan horse malware! They finally got 600,000 Macs successfully running the Trojan and are about to declare total victory over the Wndows world as a result!:har:

They've had their share of fake anti-virus shenanigans too. You know, when you are arrogant enough to claim you are immune from malware, justice will come your way. The fact was that the number of Mac users was so insignificant there was no money to be made with the malware. Apparently someone is now fed up with their arrogance or there are enough Macs to make it worthwhile. There is NOTHING superior about Apple in regards to malware, and the long bumpy ride is just beginning. Fasten your seatbelts.

[aanker]

SH4 on a Mac - one way:

It's best if I just quote Kim who posted this procedure he used in a public forum about a year ago. I was amazed he could run SH4 on a Mac! His native language is not English but he does alright:Kim Rønhof wrote:

It has to be a rather new Mac that uses an intel processor ! Then you buy a windows 7 package for a new machine and install it.
That's not easy - as you have to partitionate your machine with a windows partition, this can be done with boot camp a program that comes with the Mac - I only gave mine 35 GB - that was a bad idea, as windows 7 gobbles up disk place as a child a chocolate cake.

You have to download some extra files from Apple (And they didn't know that at Humac !!!!)- they have to be placed on a USB key - that has to formatted especially as a boot start key. Then you start up windows 7 via Bootcamp.

But if you do that you can install windows 7 -
I'm going to redo the process and give windows 50 GB - as I now know that everything else works for SH4 including my tools.

There is an alternative possibility there are program that let you run mac and windows programs simultaneously - but with a game like SH4 I want all resources for the game.
Hope this helps.

Happy Hunting!

Art

[Rockin Robbins]

Darn! I sure wish Kim would allow me to post the latest version of his brilliant SH4 Report. For some reason, last time I asked he turned me down flat with no explanation.

With SH4 Report you save your cruise on return BEFORE you dock. It downloads all your accomplishments for that cruise and compiles them into an all-inclusive report that just blows my socks off! We could guarantee him a large and appreciative user base, that's for sure.

Aanker, do you think he would let YOU post it here?

[TorpX]

Like trojan horse malware! They finally got 600,000 Macs successfully running the Trojan and are about to declare total victory over the Wndows world as a result!:har:

They've had their share of fake anti-virus shenanigans too. You know, when you are arrogant enough to claim you are immune from malware, justice will come your way. The fact was that the number of Mac users was so insignificant there was no money to be made with the malware. Apparently someone is now fed up with their arrogance or there are enough Macs to make it worthwhile. There is NOTHING superior about Apple in regards to malware, and the long bumpy ride is just beginning. Fasten your seatbelts.

He he, that immunity wasn't going to last forever.

iMacs, iBooks, iPods, iPads, iPhones, iWhatevers, i........

Their stuff may be good, but I don't want to have to join a cult.

[Rockin Robbins]

I hear they sacrifice children in pits of lava!:o

[aanker]

Aanker, do you think he would let YOU post it here?
I don't know, I could see but if he said no he will probably stick to his guns. However he is one of the nicest guys I know. At one time I was going to feature his tools on a website and got permission for that easy enough but I never did make the entire website. Furthermore another member was already featuring them.

People would love his Tbox tool. Can select boat, mission, etc including what kind of whiskey you prefer - it was almost that detailed how you could set up your patrol. Patrols are selected by ID numbers so it used that and other features of SH4 file information to set up patrols. Another guy edited the campaign layers including re-doing all special missions to only be missions that were actually conducted in real life. He also created all forward bases. Kim's Tbox combined with that campaign layers cycles mod with its ID#'s and then the report tool you mentioned as a package with SH4 were a lot of fun. I don't know why more people didn't sign on. How much more realistic could it get?

Long story short nobody joined the PTC to use these outstanding tools and layers, people got discouraged and left, and afaik there are only a handful remaining. The campaign layers have a license which is too bad. I believe in freeware but people are people and try and sell other people's work which is probably why they have the license.

You got the long version here so you have the background knowledge to help understand the answer to your question. There are a lot of factors intertwined to that not so simple "no".

Man, that's a sad story - made myself sad reading it... lol

Happy Hunting!

Art

Edit - okay, keep your fingers crossed

[joea]

Like trojan horse malware! They finally got 600,000 Macs successfully running the Trojan and are about to declare total victory over the Wndows world as a result!:har:

They've had their share of fake anti-virus shenanigans too. You know, when you are arrogant enough to claim you are immune from malware, justice will come your way. The fact was that the number of Mac users was so insignificant there was no money to be made with the malware. Apparently someone is now fed up with their arrogance or there are enough Macs to make it worthwhile. There is NOTHING superior about Apple in regards to malware, and the long bumpy ride is just beginning. Fasten your seatbelts.
Wow, I know lots of people with Macs and none of them are arrogant, including the OP I hope, he just asked for help and you launched the tirade. There are plenty of games that run on Macs w/o bootcamp these days (including Skyrim which surprised me) - and a lot of folks know how to do lots of stuff that would surprise you.

I have an HP with Win 7 (the best OS by MS to date until Win 9 rolls out :O:) and it runs very fine thank you-and an iPhone 4 I am very happy with. I don't give a damn what computers or smartphones etc you ike to use-I just get sick of the assumptions held by many on this forum and the fact it is always the haters that rant. Reminds me of the SH4/SH3 days. :shifty:

[jldjs]

[QUOTE=joea;1873354]Wow, ..., he just asked for help and you launched the tirade. There are plenty of games that run on Macs w/o bootcamp these days /QUOTE]

And I am one of them, i.e.; using Bootcamp. I was surprised at the replies, especially from RR. But, I decided to "let it go". They wanted to hijack this thread and nothing was going to stop "them".

Since I was fortunate to receive a MacPro as a birthday gift I wanted to learn to use it and since SH4 is my favorite game I wanted to run it on the new Mac. Bootcamp works fine, but I want to explore running it in native Mac OS via Wineskin wrappers, So, I didn't know where else to ask about this other than this forum. Never expected to "hit" a raw nerve.

I consider this thread closed.

[joea]

He he, that immunity wasn't going to last forever.

iMacs, iBooks, iPods, iPads, iPhones, iWhatevers, i........

Their stuff may be good, but I don't want to have to join a cult.

You don't have to. :-?

[merc4ulfate]

I love the macs. They are simply wonderful to work with. As far as games and windows versus mac ... I do not see a lot of people making a living play a past time game so give me the machine that makes the money any day. Windows for the masses is great if you do wish to play a game since it was designed for entertainment not production.

If you do wish production and a still remain with windows you can use products like Windows 8 server, SQL Server 2012, MS Dynamics CRM, and there are plenty of SDK developer tools. None of these would most likely run a game with any efficiency since they are created with stability in mind and games are notorious for causing instability in systems due to game calls directly to hardware. Business software is designed so that doesn't happen creating a more stable environment.

Windows isn't all about games but you will fine the consumer versions are largely game and entertainment driven since they are created with entertaining the masses in mind.

If you have an Iphone look for this game ... I am not sure how far along it is yet

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=911647&highlight=silent+hunter

[Rockin Robbins]

Wow, I know lots of people with Macs and none of them are arrogant, including the OP I hopeThat is the most fascinating disconnect about the whole deal. It is the companies who are arrogant, brutish, dictatorial, damning the public, robber barons without a conscience, bullies whose aim is to control, not serve humanity.

Apple and Sony are they same type of company: arrogant, rapacious, overcharging, anti-competition, them against the public, take no prisoners companies who do not hesitate to break the bounds of right and wrong to advance their control and limit their competition. How about that Sony gangsterism to corner the market on HD DVDs? You get to pay double what one should cost to finance their assassination of a better alternative. So you have both obscenely high prices and low quality forever. Jay Gould never pulled such a naked act of aggression and thuggery.

Both play the patent game to kill off anything with any resemblance to their products. Apple's "look and feel" campaign and Sony's music CD trojan horse, which permanently turned off your computer's ability to write a CD without your knowledge or consent are perfect examples of these company's lack of moral compass and out of control power lust.

Then you have their customers: normally left-leaning, peace and love, socially conscious, upwardly mobile, people who like to think of themselves as progressive, in favor of human rights, believing that the greatest good is accomplished through voluntary cooperation for the betterment of humanity. These are genuinely nice people who would help you out in an instant, even for no personal gain. But in their quest to be cool they make deals with Satan, these two companies which make a mockery of how they try to live and how these customers view their purpose in life.

It's insanity. It's not people who cannot see, these are the most highly educated, most enlightened people in our society. These are people who WILL not see because what are principles of justice when compared to being "cool." Hell, toss those silly principles right out the window. Come right over, Satan, let's party!:D

[TorpX]

jldjs and joea,

I'm sorry if my post offended. It certainly wasn't meant as an attack on anyone here. I consider people who post here and play SH 4, must be both intelligent and dedicated. :03: I'm not a fan of Apple. Every time I see one of their commercials, they seem to imply that I am some kind of ignorant barbarian, living in the dark ages, because I don't have an Apple computer, iPhone, etc., etc., so I was happy to have a laugh at their expense. Of course I laugh at (or curse) Microsoft as well.

People here like to post what is on their minds or crack a joke. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Rockin Robbins]

And I echo Torpx's comments. It isn't my intention to offend owners of Apple and Sony products. THEY are not any of those things that the companies they buy from are. Clearly, it is apparent that my string of adjectives belongs to the companies and not their customers, isn't it? If that is not apparent I apologize to anyone who chose to wear those nasty descriptions as their own. They don't belong to you. Give them back, please.

Now I have made a decision that not one penny of mine will purchase even one of either Apple's or Sony's products. The reason for this is that people will do whatever you pay them to do. In their minds, buying their products is an endorsement of their amoral cutthroat way of business, and in fact, a request that they do MORE of it. Without income they are powerless to do any of it. Surely you can see where my line of thought is headed.

We, by purchasing from crooks, tell them to steal. Our stamp of approval is on ever nasty deed they do. Include me out please. I choose not to participate.:D

My wife's $199.99 LePan TC 970 android tablet does 90% of what an $850+ Apple iPad does and does not support totalitarianism. I also have $650 in my pocket that otherwise would not be there. I'm not deprived in any way by standing for principle. Similarly, there is an equal or better alternative to every single product that Sony makes and no suffering is necessary to freeze them out of my life.

[aanker]

Okay RR, FYI, Kim Ronhof has graciously released his SH4 Report generator ver. 5102.

When correctly installed it should automatically find all your saved games. Just double click on the appropriate saved game. The program then creates the patrol report and copies it to the Clipboard to paste into Word or a Text file for further editing.

JANAC Tonnage will vary according to your realism settings.

That's all Folks! - Kim Ronhof

SH4Report_5102.zip - includes PDF instructions
uploaded by aanker
850 KB (871,340 bytes)
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=3560

Happy Hunting!

[reignofdeath]

That is the most fascinating disconnect about the whole deal. It is the companies who are arrogant, brutish, dictatorial, damning the public, robber barons without a conscience, bullies whose aim is to control, not serve humanity.

Apple and Sony are they same type of company: arrogant, rapacious, overcharging, anti-competition, them against the public, take no prisoners companies who do not hesitate to break the bounds of right and wrong to advance their control and limit their competition. How about that Sony gangsterism to corner the market on HD DVDs? You get to pay double what one should cost to finance their assassination of a better alternative. So you have both obscenely high prices and low quality forever. Jay Gould never pulled such a naked act of aggression and thuggery.

Both play the patent game to kill off anything with any resemblance to their products. Apple's "look and feel" campaign and Sony's music CD trojan horse, which permanently turned off your computer's ability to write a CD without your knowledge or consent are perfect examples of these company's lack of moral compass and out of control power lust.

Then you have their customers: normally left-leaning, peace and love, socially conscious, upwardly mobile, people who like to think of themselves as progressive, in favor of human rights, believing that the greatest good is accomplished through voluntary cooperation for the betterment of humanity. These are genuinely nice people who would help you out in an instant, even for no personal gain. But in their quest to be cool they make deals with Satan, these two companies which make a mockery of how they try to live and how these customers view their purpose in life.

It's insanity. It's not people who cannot see, these are the most highly educated, most enlightened people in our society. These are people who WILL not see because what are principles of justice when compared to being "cool." Hell, toss those silly principles right out the window. Come right over, Satan, let's party!:D

I own a mac but in a "GENERALIZED" view, this is quite sad but true. I have to agree, however even though macs are seen as the "hip" thing according to the direction and way the company markets its PCs, I do have to say the way the OS works is quite good, its complex if you want it to be but simple if you make it, its weird but I love it. On the flip side, the gaming part sucks, I do very much enjoy being able to play Silent Hunter, and Skyrim and Battlefield on my PC as well. So Im divided on the subject,

[joea]

Well whatever floats your boat guys. I don't see any of these companies as more "evil" than the others-we all know about Microsoft and UBI, I don't get why people can't see why Google, Samsung, Dell and others are doing very objectionable things as well from a consumer and moral standpoint. I am slightly (but only slightly ) offended at the inference I made my choices based on "being cool" and did not see something actually useful in the products I use that you don't like. I am not upset-you guys seemed to be more pissed about it. :D

There are some things Apple does for example in its iDevices that I have not found in any other product (smart playlists for music playback and managment, some killer games like Infinity Blade or the upcoming Wolves of the Atlantic - see here (http://www.dcaf.ch/Programmes/Private-Security-Governance) ) But if you feel more moral or "fashionably unhip" go ahead.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18916_5-reasons-why-anticonformity-worse-than-conformity.html

:O:

[Rockin Robbins]

Okay RR, FYI, Kim Ronhof has graciously released his SH4 Report generator ver. 5102.

When correctly installed it should automatically find all your saved games. Just double click on the appropriate saved game. The program then creates the patrol report and copies it to the Clipboard to paste into Word or a Text file for further editing.

JANAC Tonnage will vary according to your realism settings.

That's all Folks! - Kim Ronhof

SH4Report_5102.zip - includes PDF instructions
uploaded by aanker
850 KB (871,340 bytes)
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=3560

Happy Hunting!

Awesome!!!! Just remember guys, you must run this thing upon return to base at the end of your cruise but BEFORE YOU END the cruise. Then it can pick up the IDs of all your carnage. After you dock and close out the cruise, it is replaced with a brand new cruise with all goose eggs.

Thanks Aanker!

[tomoose]

I was just going to post asking what Ttools and SH4Report were when the Release post popped up.

SH4Report sounds like an excellent little addition.

Thanks to Kim Ronhof for permitting its release.
:salute::yeah:

[Daniel Prates]

Interesting!

[reignofdeath]

Well whatever floats your boat guys. I don't see any of these companies as more "evil" than the others-we all know about Microsoft and UBI, I don't get why people can't see why Google, Samsung, Dell and others are doing very objectionable things as well from a consumer and moral standpoint. I am slightly (but only slightly ) offended at the inference I made my choices based on "being cool" and did not see something actually useful in the products I use that you don't like. I am not upset-you guys seemed to be more pissed about it. :D

There are some things Apple does for example in its iDevices that I have not found in any other product (smart playlists for music playback and managment, some killer games like Infinity Blade or the upcoming Wolves of the Atlantic - see here (http://www.dcaf.ch/Programmes/Private-Security-Governance) ) But if you feel more moral or "fashionably unhip" go ahead.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18916_5-reasons-why-anticonformity-worse-than-conformity.html

:O:

My point was just being however that yes the operating system and the design (The way the body is made and how the track pad feels is superb, plus the way it charges and the built in camera and mic are all pluses) are great things to make this a computer I believe is at least worth the money I paid for it, however the sad part is, many people get them to be in the conformity group of being a hipster because thats the angle Apple uses to market them. I also own an iPod Touch and agree with you about iDevices, I think they're great machines at what they do. I also agree about what you said in pretty much the rest of your post, all of these companies are working angles for serious personal gain, I don't take it to heart too much unless I seriously despise what they're doing, and for the most part I don't, because I know at the end, Ill probably still end up buying their product. :salute:

[Rockin Robbins]

Sounds like a Chicago citizen giving excuses for buying from Al Capone. Sure, I know he seriously kills people sometimes but I doubt he'll take a shot at me and heck, he has good whiskey except for the bottle that killed my grandma, but she was old anyway.

I just don't get too upset about it because I know I'll just buy his hootch anyway.....

Sad. Very sad. It's especially sad when there are alternatives that work just as well for less than half Apple and Sony's inflated prices. My wife's $199 LePan TC970 rocks. I don't understand how Apple can get another $650 in value into a similar product. At best they might get another 10% better. They're just picking people's pockets and the victims can't stop smiling!

In the meantime they delete apps from YOUR machine when they think they don't want them running there, they restrict your software choices to what THEY think you should be running on your machine.

Whatever happened to the concept of ownership rights? Whatever happened to freedom? These guys in American World War II submarines died defending that stuff. Are we willing to toss those away casually just to be "cool?"

No wonder 'Dolf had so little trouble getting all his people to squeal on each other and join in his nastiness, gleefully killing their neighbors, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers. People really ARE just sheep, with no moral character at all that cannot be bought with a shiny iPad. Blindness can be purchased for cheap...

You can buy a good tablet for $200 to $300. If you're going to spend $850 you're up into the group of great laptop fully capable computers and you don't have to settle for a crippled subset of a computer. You can get a 500Gb HD, DVD ROM, accelerated graphics with dedicated memory, HELL you can play SH4 wide freakin open for $850 on a 17" wide screen. Why would ANYONE want to buy a cripple for the same price? There must be addictive drugs involved somewhere.....or maybe I'm just too practical to be affected by the cool factor.

[WernherVonTrapp]

I don't know anything about a MAC, but apparently, this guy does. I saw this and thought it was hilarious.:har: I also think it has already been posted here (or at the UBI forum) in the past:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEAGmBRC1dc&feature=related

[Rockin Robbins]

I don't know anything about a MAC, but apparently, this guy does. I saw this and thought it was hilarious.:har: I also think it has already been posted here (or at the UBI forum) in the past:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEAGmBRC1dc&feature=related

Oh My!http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/3d-paranoid.gif

[TorpX]

I don't know anything about a MAC, but apparently, this guy does. I saw this and thought it was hilarious.:har: I also think it has already been posted here (or at the UBI forum) in the past:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEAGmBRC1dc&feature=related

Uh oh, do you think my Windows machine will last until Windows 9 comes out? I mean, if I'm reeeeeeeeeeeeeally nice to it?

[Rockin Robbins]

It almost has to. I predict that the public hysteria about how terrible Windows 8 is will dwarf public protest of any product ever made. I have the Windows 8 Customer Preview Edition safely imprisoned in a lock-tight Virtual Box maximum security prison, and I can assure you it will never see the light of day, joining my free copy of Windows Vista, never installed on any machine.

We are going to see a stampede to Apple, where they will find the same "your computer is a cell phone, dummy!" attitude. But they don't know that. Even Linux has gone to absurd cell phone interfaces in their Unity and Gnome interfaces.

When you have a computer which is capable of telling you at all times what your options are, which is capable if giving you several dozen different options on the screen at the same time without undue clutter, WHY would you make a monocolor environment of huge push buttons where you might have a choice of ten programs at any one time (or scroll to off-screen buttons up, down, left or right?

I remember when I escaped the 640x480 windows prison where the interface took up so much screen and graduated to 1024x768 or even higher where all the options were still there but I had tons of real estate to work in.

Metro programs just sit there and stare at you, daring you to just try something, ANYTHING, because there are no on-screen clues to how the programs operate. All applications run full screen all the time, no windowing at all. After all, your computer is a cell phone with tiny screen, limited resources, no mouse.....why multiple windows on such a tiny screen would be preposterous! Therefore it is equally preposterous on your PC. Why? Because Microsloth says it is and you WILL live with it. No, you cannot have your start button back. You're just being stupid.

Where can we go to escape the madness? If it weren't for the games angle, Linux is the one poised to take advantage of all this. They have cell phone insanity too, but unlike OSX or Windows, Linux doesn't support just one GUI. If you don't like the fact that Ubuntu went with the fake cell phone Unity, you can load up another GUI in less than five minutes and work YOUR computer the way YOU want it. I have 16 GUIs installed in my Ubuntu installation and I can switch back and forth instantly whenever I want.

Neither Unity nor Gnome has been stupid enough to make an abortion like Metro, with its insane concept of computer reduced to a cell phone's capabilities. I actually like the Gnome 2 interface, which was done with a good bit of style and works well with a mouse and existing software.

If I wanted a smart phone I'd buy a smart phone. I didn't. I won't. Even innocent X-Box owners are being inflicted with Metro and they hate it.

The rallying cry for the next several years is going to be a deafening "I HATE WINDOWS 8!"

But TorpX, to answer your question, assuming you did not follow the lemmings to the cliff where they were lined up to buy disposable laptops and you own a sensible desktop computer, the open architecture feature of the Windows environment ensures that you retain the freedom to replace any single component of your machine with one of the literally thousands of replacement compnents available from hundreds of companies fighting to the death for the right to sell you the best component possible at the lowest possible price. You are free from ever having to purchase another computer again, if you choose to go that route.

My computer, originally assembled in 2007 has gone through 3 extensive rebuilds, while retaining its original optical drives, hard drives (with new friends on occasion), keyboard and mouse. When I replace enough components, Windows says, "Whoa!!!!! I'm not in Kansas any more!!! This is a different computer and you have to reactivate Windows XP." I just say "sure" and 30 seconds later it's reactivated and I'm good to go again. I didn't have to take Vista seriously. I can skip Windows 7 if I want and Windows 8 is definitely getting the shaft. Win XP just has another announced 4 year extension on updates, so I'm thinking I'm good to go. If that changes I'll flip to Windows 7, which is a fine operating system.

Desktop computer equals maximum freedom, maximum capabilities, highest reliability, most repairability, lowest price. It makes sense for the overwhelming majority of computer users and the style nazis are proclaiming them a dead end. What a strange world, where advice is for the purpose of hurting us! Look at all the columnists just fawning over Windows 8. It's embarrassing. Or should be.

[TorpX]

I have the Windows 8 Customer Preview Edition safely imprisoned in a lock-tight Virtual Box maximum security prison, and I can assure you it will never see the light of day...

:haha:




Well, Windows 8 sounds god-awful, like some kind of Orwellian computer wasteland. I have a nice HP desktop with Vista. I know Vista has it's problems, but I would rather stay with it, than deal with what you describe, or maybe if I need to, get Windows 7.

[aanker]

I'm vouching 97% for Win 7. You would not be sorry to move from Vista to 7.

The 3% is partly an unknown factor plus 1% of that is the new file management libraries. I like having things in a Directory under C:/ rather than how Win 7 wants to do it.

Outstanding OS though, IMO.

[Rockin Robbins]

I'm vouching 97% for Win 7. You would not be sorry to move from Vista to 7.

The 3% is partly an unknown factor plus 1% of that is the new file management libraries. I like having things in a Directory under C:/ rather than how Win 7 wants to do it.

Outstanding OS though, IMO.

I concur. There are some minimal adjustments you need to make getting used to the Windows 7 way of doing things. It is so close to Vista that Microsloth didn't even change version numbers of the kernel. They just streamlined and optimized Vista for a great operating system. It's our default parking spot whilst we wait for Microsloth to come to its senses. They need to understand that we are not the enemy......:D

Hey, if they don't do it somebody else will and it will just be the end of the Microsoft age. No problem. We win either way. And Linux really is good enough that if Windows vanished from the earth, we would not be crippled aside from a scrambling to get our games working there.

Although he's done it on a Mac, jldjs has Silent Hunter 4 working almost perfectly under Wine/OSX. OSX is VERY similar to Linux, mostly GUI differences between the two, plus the expenditure of lots of dollars, so necessity would quickly solve our problems.

[joea]

Sounds like a Chicago citizen giving excuses for buying from Al Capone. Sure, I know he seriously kills people sometimes but I doubt he'll take a shot at me and heck, he has good whiskey except for the bottle that killed my grandma, but she was old anyway.

I just don't get too upset about it because I know I'll just buy his hootch anyway.....

Sad. Very sad. It's especially sad when there are alternatives that work just as well for less than half Apple and Sony's inflated prices. My wife's $199 LePan TC970 rocks. I don't understand how Apple can get another $650 in value into a similar product. At best they might get another 10% better. They're just picking people's pockets and the victims can't stop smiling!

In the meantime they delete apps from YOUR machine when they think they don't want them running there, they restrict your software choices to what THEY think you should be running on your machine.

Whatever happened to the concept of ownership rights? Whatever happened to freedom? These guys in American World War II submarines died defending that stuff. Are we willing to toss those away casually just to be "cool?"

No wonder 'Dolf had so little trouble getting all his people to squeal on each other and join in his nastiness, gleefully killing their neighbors, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers. People really ARE just sheep, with no moral character at all that cannot be bought with a shiny iPad. Blindness can be purchased for cheap...

You can buy a good tablet for $200 to $300. If you're going to spend $850 you're up into the group of great laptop fully capable computers and you don't have to settle for a crippled subset of a computer. You can get a 500Gb HD, DVD ROM, accelerated graphics with dedicated memory, HELL you can play SH4 wide freakin open for $850 on a 17" wide screen. Why would ANYONE want to buy a cripple for the same price? There must be addictive drugs involved somewhere.....or maybe I'm just too practical to be affected by the cool factor.

Sorry this is a bit late but you didn't understand a single point I made. I thought you were smarter than that. :nope: You are the arrogant one and a sheep as well for comparing consumer "choices" to being a Nazi or being for "freedom" you are beneath my contempt, good bye.

[jldjs]

[Quote} Although he's done it on a Mac, jldjs has Silent Hunter 4 working almost perfectly under Wine/OSX. OSX is VERY similar to Linux, mostly GUI differences between the two, plus the expenditure of lots of dollars, so necessity would quickly solve our problems.[Quote]

Update;
Running TMO2.5 (with and without RSRD) very well on Mac OSX 10.7? using Wineskin 2.3 and engine WS7Wine1.3.14 engine.

Only problem so far is I can't get 3000 yd bearing tool mods to work, crashes the game. Capn Scurvey things it due to large memory (video adapter memory??) requirement. No answer yet from the Wineskin forum.

[Rockin Robbins]

Sorry this is a bit late but you didn't understand a single point I made. I thought you were smarter than that. :nope: You are the arrogant one and a sheep as well for comparing consumer "choices" to being a Nazi or being for "freedom" you are beneath my contempt, good bye.

My search function reports the word Nazi only in your words. I will continue to tell the truth as I see it. If it is arrogant to tell the truth so be it. I'm not afraid to share a room with an opinion, even if it isn't mine and even if I don't agree with it.

To summarize my thoughts on your post, the amount of goodies available do not determine right and wrong. Otherwise it would be good to rob a bank. All that money is good and works really well, so we should just take it. You're saying that because Sony or Apple products have unique features and work good that means these are good companies to do business with. In other words, Al Capone's good hooch made him a good man. I really can't help you there. The reality is just too plain for me to waste my time explaining it. We do not determine right and wrong by the goodies obtained by the questioned action. I'm appalled that anyone would seriously express that idea and then expect to be taken seriously. Is that arrogant? I'll gladly be arrogant, if necessary, to stand for the truth. Doing the right thing often results in opposition. And that opposition validates the truth.

Personally I am glad I am beneath your contempt. It means I'm doing something right. People without detractors can't be doing anything worthwhile. Thank you for doing the best you can to validate my existence.:D