Leaving the USA the Illegal immigrant way...

[I-25]

2 days ago me and a friend (both of us dual citizenship US/Mex) had the "Bright" idea of crossing into Mexico from the states, "jumping the fence" (actually around it...) on motorcycles. so we drove up to a Border Patrol and asked him it was ok to cross into Mexico and he told us there shouldn't be no problems so he gave us the go. so we crossed had no problems with no one or anything.

So yesterday i crossed into mexico (trough the port of entry) and when i came back to the states i got pulled to the secondary inspection and got interrogated by a Border Patrol agent who asked me if it was me who had crossed the day before so i told him yea it was me and that we had asked an agent and he told us it was ok. Then he started telling me that it is a federal offense to illegally Exit the country and they were raising hell about it.

He let me go after the questions probably because i had been told it was ok but said that they were gonna keep an eye on me.

i ride arund the area a lot but yea thats the last time ill try that.

but yea my question is is it really Illegal to EXIT the USA without going trough a port of entry to another country?

its legal to enter mexico as long as your a Mex citizen so theres no problems there

[geetrue]

I would be more worried about someone shooting you after running into a cross over going the other way.

You speak of a motorcycle, but I know for a fact that sailboats in or out of a race do the same thing entering into Mexico's waters and then crossing back over, but then the six mile rule makes it legal.

[Stealhead]

I do not think that it is considering the fact that you have dual citizenship and the agent that you spoke with on your bike knew this fact and allowed you to it must be allowed in your case because you are also a Mexican citizen.I do not know for certain though.

They do have cameras along the border in many places though perhaps the original agent was curious to see if they noticed you guys:hmmm:

I think it may not be legal even for a US citizen just to come in at any place though due to concern about a US citizen or anyone for that matter having contraband or some sort of fruit or meat that is not allowed into the US.I think the US wants everyone going though customs.Now leaving I am not so sure but i do know that the cartels do try to smuggle money and weapons out of the US and into Mexico and the US government tries to catch them.Not sure the legal ramification though once you are leaving one nation it is the duty on the one you are heading to to deal with customs laws.

You seem to have no concern about running into cartel guys though so I am guessing that you are in a rather boring section of the border if they got so worked up about it.


Also I would not admit anything in the future without having full information as to what is being referenced in an interrogation how do you know for certain that they where speaking of your crossing and not anothers?You might end up appearing guilty of something someone else did.My advice would be to avoid that area for a while.They must be a bit bored because the cartels employ scouts that usually stay in one place all day long observing the BP you are riding a dirt bike which is very noisy and gathers attention and obviously not much can be hidden on a dirt bike(though you can modify the tanks). I would be careful as they might suspect you of being a decoy for others.


"I would be more worried about someone shooting you after running into a cross over going the other way." Say what? The Border Patrol does not simply shoot people they are law enforcement they only have the power to use deadly force when no other option is available like a person pulling a weapon on them other wise they only have the power to detain a suspect.

[Tribesman]

but yea my question is is it really Illegal to EXIT the USA without going trough a port of entry to another country?
In the same way as it is illegal to enter it is illegal to exit.
It used to be a very common practice if you was trying to avoid getting flagged up as an overstay.

[I-25]

You seem to have no concern about running into cartel guys though so I am guessing that you are in a rather boring section of the border if they got so worked up about it.


Yea im on California border to Mex (near San Diego) so its one of the most heavily patrolled areas of all the Int' border and we dont have serious cartel problems in my area but lots and lots of Illegal immigrants here


Also I would not admit anything in the future without having full information as to what is being referenced in an interrogation how do you know for certain that they where speaking of your crossing and not anothers?You might end up appearing guilty of something someone else did.My advice would be to avoid that area for a while.They must be a bit bored because the cartels employ scouts that usually stay in one place all day long observing the BP you are riding a dirt bike which is very noisy and gathers attention and obviously not much can be hidden on a dirt bike(though you can modify the tanks). I would be careful as they might suspect you of being a decoy for others.

These guys know specifically it was me because they kinda know me already. im the only guy who rides around the area because i live near the border. but at least i got the name tag of the officer that told me it was ok so i can defend myself should worse come to worse.

and again about the cartels. we dont have thoese problems where i live :up:

[geetrue]

and again about the cartels. we dont have thoese problems where i live :up:

Yet! :cool:

[Penguin]

In the same way as it is illegal to enter it is illegal to exit.
It used to be a very common practice if you was trying to avoid getting flagged up as an overstay.

It is definitely illegal for non US-citizens to do so. Afaik it is also illegal to enter the USA through non official entry points, for both citizens and non-citizens.
However as I-25 has dual citizenship he can't really do an overstay, or can expatriates do this if they have no permanent address in the US?

[jumpy]

Customs/border officials, so much worse than ordinary policemen. Generally they are so humourless and lacking in human emotion that they're barely classed as 'alive' by normal standards.
Just try striking up a conversation with one of them; you can see the calculating look in the eyes, weighing up the possibility that there might be something they can do you for.

I've had warmer handshakes and conversations with toll barriers than with the men who operate them :03:

As for the entry/exit thing... well it's that kind of thing we don't have to worry about here in the UK - we have specialist agencies, dedicated to not knowing who is leaving or entering the country, especially if they are not a british citizen. Get with the times USA, checking up with who's in and who's out is soooo last year (except when it's a weapons smuggling sting, you have the advantage of us with that one). :DL

[Tribesman]

However as I-25 has dual citizenship he can't really do an overstay, or can expatriates do this if they have no permanent address in the US?
The mention of overstay was just an example of why people leave by that method.
Other examples would be a regular criminal fleeing the jurisdiction or people smuggling illegal goods or avoiding tax and duties on legal stuff.

Customs/border officials, so much worse than ordinary policemen.
Had your lot over there close me down for a whole bloody day checking for red, it didn't matter if people had been processed or even if they was on a neighbouring plot, no one was allowed to leave the area until customs had completely finished.

[jumpy]

^^

red diesel?

[RickC Sniper]

but yea my question is is it really Illegal to EXIT the USA without going trough a port of entry to another country?

its legal to enter mexico as long as your a Mex citizen so theres no problems there

My understanding:

It is illegal to enter the U.S.A. from Canada or Mexico without going through a port of entry.
It IS legal to exit the U.S.A. without going through a port of entry......but both Mexico and Canada require entering their countries through a port of entry, so you violate their laws but no U.S.A. law.

Am not sure if your dual citizenship changes things, but a phone call to a Custom's office should be able to tell you.

[Tribesman]

red diesel?
Yes, (green diesel over here).
Big tax dodge if you want to chance the big penalties, huge money maker if you take it to the next stage and wash it......but customs are much worse than ordinary policemen and that scam is in their territory.

[I-25]

Had your lot over there close me down for a whole bloody day checking for red, it didn't matter if people had been processed or even if they was on a neighbouring plot, no one was allowed to leave the area until customs had completely finished.


same thing happened here once... god i hate those guys...

some of the customs guys ain't to bad but usually its the asian and hispanic customs officers you get that are the biggest pain in the ass you could ever meet....

but both Mexico and Canada require entering their countries through a port of entry, so you violate their laws but no U.S.A. law.

it is legal in mexico to enter the country without going trough a port as long as your a mexican citizen

[Stealhead]

same thing happened here once... god i hate those guys...

some of the customs guys ain't to bad but usually its the asian and hispanic customs officers you get that are the biggest pain in the ass you could ever meet....



it is legal in mexico to enter the country without going trough a port as long as your a mexican citizen

I think some of the Mexican Americans that can trace back generations to the mid 19th century their families having been Americans are sometimes the most racist of all.I knew Mexican Americans in the Air Force and the "Birther" ones really disliked the type from LA and southern California and the South East US (that where usually 1st or second generation or less and usually lower class) a little and the ones that where first generation or naturalized they really disliked and anyone else from central america they also really disliked One guy Rodriguez was Venezuelan/Colombian he was a very cool dude nice to everyone and some of the "Native born great grand dad was an American" Mexicans would not socialize with him beyond normal duty interactions.Rodriguez was such a nice guy he actually almost got taken by the FARC while visiting his grand mother in Columbia and they let him get back on the bus even though they knew he was an American citizen and in the US military.

[Tribesman]

I think some of the Mexican Americans that can trace back generations to the mid 19th century their families having been Americans are sometimes the most racist of all.
Get with the cry me a river crowds program.
Only WHITESTM. can be racists.:03:

[Osmium Steele]

Get with the cry me a river crowds program.
Only CRACKERSTM. can be racists.:03:

Fixed that for you. :yeah:

[Penguin]

their women are pretty hot:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4801/variouschristmas20crack.jpg

[Tribesman]

Fixed that for you.
Not quite, they havn't figured out how to find a happy definition of white for themselves that works, so you can imagine how much trouble they will come to when trying to agree on what exactly a cracker is and how they are one and are so hard done by because of their crackerness.:rotfl2: