Why is this making the news in the UK, but not here in the US?

[eddie]

With all the news coverage going on with the Zimmerman case, especially here in the States, why does this make the headlines in the UK and not here in the US? Wonder what Sharpton or Jackson will say about it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

[AVGWarhawk]

Because to some this is not a hate crime or racially motivated so who cares.... You can find the general attitude of some in this thread. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=194171 My guess is your answer from some is they were old and easy target. And that makes it all ok and better for all involved. :doh:

Al Sharpeton runs the streets with blinders on. Jessie Jackson does not see making any money from this incident. Case closed.

[Jimbuna]

Either way this is a terribly tragic event.....must admit to not reading the article in its entirity, is the death penalty a potential option here?

[eddie]

It is tragic all the way around. Can't believe someone would want to rape a woman that old! Disgusting!

[AVGWarhawk]

Either way this is a terribly tragic event.....must admit to not reading the article in its entirity, is the death penalty a potential option here?

What is the difference if there is death penalty or not? The perp will sit on death row for 30 years before the procedure is done. In that time money and resources will be flushed down the toilet with appeals and sustaining his very existence on this mud ball we call earth.

[Jimbuna]

What is the difference if there is death penalty or not? The perp will sit on death row for 30 years before the procedure is done. In that time money and resources will be flushed down the toilet with appeals and sustaining his very existence on this mud ball we call earth.

Have I inadvertently hit a nerve?

Only asking if the death penalty is an option in that state.

[AVGWarhawk]

Have I inadvertently hit a nerve?

Only asking if the death penalty is an option in that state.


No sir, you have not hit a nerve at all Jim. The death penalty, which I agree with, is not effective in deterring crime. This I'm sure you know from your line of work. Here in the states the death penalty is never served timely. Appeal after appeal is made. It drags on for decades. This guy will probably get off on some technicality anyway. The news of it will not hit the likes of Al Sharpeton because it was a crime of opportunity as I'm sure it will be labelled. Everyone will go on about their business.

[Tribesman]

With all the news coverage going on with the Zimmerman case, especially here in the States, why does this make the headlines in the UK and not here in the US?
Is there any suggestion of a problem with the authorities investigation of the killing or with the laws involved?
If not then you have your answer and a very easy answer it is too.

If you want a bigger answer...... Its the daily mail and it has wet dreams about finding those stories and running them.
And since it is now the biggest online tabloid in the states how can you say it isn't making headlines in the states when that is the place this "news source" is marketing its wares and it is doing it with its American reporters working in its American newsroom?



You can find the general attitude of some in this thread.
The attitude in that thread is the same as your attitude in this one and unfortubnately it doesn't paint you in a very good light.

[Jimbuna]

No sir, you have not hit a nerve at all Jim. The death penalty, which I agree with, is not effective in deterring crime. This I'm sure you know from your line of work. Here in the states the death penalty is never served timely. Appeal after appeal is made. It drags on for decades. This guy will probably get off on some technicality anyway. The news of it will not hit the likes of Al Sharpeton because it was a crime of opportunity as I'm sure it will be labelled. Everyone will go on about their business.

Well if this guy is found guilty by a jury of his peers and the death penalty is permissable as long as he is incarcarated for however long it takes for due process to be carried out at least he is off the streets and unable to re-offend.

The cost incurred will have to be met by the taxpayer unfortunately as in so many other countries, my own included, not that we have the death penalty anymore.

[Ducimus]

If this isn't being covered its because racially motivated stuff makes better ratings, and hence more money. Money makes the world go round.

[Tribesman]

If this isn't being covered its because racially motivated stuff makes better ratings
Some people really have a problem with reality.
The article comes from what is currently your nations highest rating garbage peddler.:doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

Well if this guy is found guilty by a jury of his peers and the death penalty is permissable as long as he is incarcarated for however long it takes for due process to be carried out at least he is off the streets and unable to re-offend.

The cost incurred will have to be met by the taxpayer unfortunately as in so many other countries, my own included, not that we have the death penalty anymore.

By and large you are correct, he is off the streets. What is daunting is a fair and speedy trial. Swift justice. It becomes less swift to a stand still when the death penalty is imposed. Then it becomes a three ring circus as the date of execution draws closer. The governor of the state is asked to pardon. More appeals. People show up to the prison to protest the impending execution. Candlelight vigils and on it goes. The victim is diminished. The perp lifted to national attention. In the end, is there any justice? This gentleman lives the rest of his life, his golden years without his wife and this heinous crime over his head. For me, in cases like this, justice is never served.

[AVGWarhawk]

The attitude in that thread is the same as your attitude in this one and unfortubnately it doesn't paint you in a very good light.

Again, thanks for your 2 cents. It is refreshing. Your opinions on life and happening are the only opinions that count apparently.

[Tribesman]

Again, thanks for your 2 cents. It is refreshing. Your opinions on life and happening are the only opinions that count apparently.
Your views on the subject are easily taken to pieces and shown for what they are and your victimhood mentality is laughable in its level of patheticness.
Your inability to deal with reality shows how weak your position really is.
I havn't laughed at such a pathetic victim mentality in action since a friend of that recent racist murderer claimed he couldn't have been a racist as he was part native indian. Thank you for your conntribution:woot:

[RickC Sniper]

Have I inadvertently hit a nerve?

Only asking if the death penalty is an option in that state.

Oklahoma has the death penalty and currently has 70 inmates on death row.

I am not clear on what the requirements are in the state but 1st degree premeditated murder would probably get a request for death from prosecutors.

[TLAM Strike]

...is the death penalty a potential option here?
To answer your question; yes. Oklahoma does have the Death Penalty for 1st Degree Murder.

[August]

What is the difference if there is death penalty or not? The perp will sit on death row for 30 years before the procedure is done. In that time money and resources will be flushed down the toilet with appeals and sustaining his very existence on this mud ball we call earth.

I'd rather see criminals get that 30 year delay rather than see one person executed before he could prove his innocence.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'd rather see criminals get that 30 year delay rather than see one person executed before he could prove his innocence.

This is other side of the death penalty issue certainly. However, what if beyond any reasonable doubt, lock, stock and barrel that the defendant did perpetrate the crime? This individual will still sit for decades on death row working appeals. Some would rather the accused to spend his time(life in prison) pondering what was done. Not get what some would think is the easy way off.

[August]

However, what if beyond any reasonable doubt, lock, stock and barrel that the defendant did perpetrate the crime?

I have nothing against executing criminals, I just doubt the governments ability to reach those conclusions with total accuracy.

[Ducimus]

This is other side of the death penalty issue certainly. However, what if beyond any reasonable doubt, lock, stock and barrel that the defendant did perpetrate the crime? This individual will still sit for decades on death row working appeals. Some would rather the accused to spend his time(life in prison) pondering what was done. Not get what some would think is the easy way off.

And all the while, costing taxpayers money to keep his worthless hide around. I'd rather the red tape be cut on the death penalty, and get rid of our more "outstanding citizens" already, rather then being a continual burden.

edit: Of course, if I had my way, i'd pass out the death penalty to every gangbanger (Like these guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha) ) in America. So i'm just biased.

[RickC Sniper]

And all the while, costing taxpayers money to keep his worthless hide around. I'd rather the red tape be cut on the death penalty, and get rid of our more "outstanding citizens" already, rather then being a continual burden.



The alternative to the death penalty is life without parole, so that would save a taxpayer nothing. Let them have their appeal process. It is there for a purpose.

[TLAM Strike]

I have nothing against executing criminals, I just doubt the governments ability to reach those conclusions with total accuracy.
I thought it was the job of ~12 of the accursed peers to reach that conclusion? :hmmm:

[mookiemookie]

With all the news coverage going on with the Zimmerman case, especially here in the States, why does this make the headlines in the UK and not here in the US? Wonder what Sharpton or Jackson will say about it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

Because the accused is being held at Tulsa Jail without bail and facing charges of first-degree murder, burglary, assault with a dangerous weapon and two counts of armed robbery.

Why should it be national news when the justice system is, by all accounts, working properly? Someone's suspected of a crime, they're arrested, there's an investigation as to his involvement where evidence is gathered, and he'll eventually be tried or released based on the findings of the investigation.

Maybe you're the one making a racial issue out of things where there isn't one?

[Ducimus]

The alternative to the death penalty is life without parole, so that would save a taxpayer nothing.

So if it isn't ultimately the taxpayer feeding, clothing, housing, covering medical care, and all that for these scumbags, then who is?

[August]

I thought it was the job of ~12 of the accursed peers to reach that conclusion? :hmmm:

Accursed Peers? You mean like a Jinxed Jury? :DL

Seriously, those (cursed) folks make their determination based on what they're allowed to see and hear in court. It certainly wouldn't be the first time prosecutors or police have withheld evidence that might exonerated a person.

[August]

So if it isn't ultimately the taxpayer feeding, clothing, housing, covering medical care, and all that for these scumbags, then who is?

I think he means that 30 years on death row is no more expensive to the taxpayer than giving a convict life in prison.

[Jimbuna]

Oklahoma has the death penalty and currently has 70 inmates on death row.

I am not clear on what the requirements are in the state but 1st degree premeditated murder would probably get a request for death from prosecutors.

To answer your question; yes. Oklahoma does have the Death Penalty for 1st Degree Murder.

Rgr that....question answered :yep:

[Ducimus]

I think he means that 30 years on death row is no more expensive to the taxpayer than giving a convict life in prison.

Either way they cost us money. So i still say, cut the red tape, and get rid of them.

[August]

Either way they cost us money. So i still say, cut the red tape, and get rid of them.

Well of course I would oppose this for reasons I have listed above.

[Ducimus]

Well of course I would oppose this for reasons I have listed above.

If they're proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, if their crime is so henious as to merit life in prison, and if their that far gone, that means they are beyond redemption or rehabilitation, then why put up with them? They will never amount to anything except a financial burden to society, and quite frankly, rabid dogs should be put down. The original article is ample reason enough.

[eddie]

Because the accused is being held at Tulsa Jail without bail and facing charges of first-degree murder, burglary, assault with a dangerous weapon and two counts of armed robbery.

Why should it be national news when the justice system is, by all accounts, working properly? Someone's suspected of a crime, they're arrested, there's an investigation as to his involvement where evidence is gathered, and he'll eventually be tried or released based on the findings of the investigation.

Maybe you're the one making a racial issue out of things where there isn't one?

First of all, both Sharpton and Jackson can get immediate media attention everytime they say something! They can turn anything into a major media event. They said nothing at all about how tragic this was.
None of the major news outlets even mention this crime, but things this tragic happen all the time.But this deal with Zimmerman, is everywhere! Why is that? All crimes like this are tragic, no matter who is involved!

When the school shootings happened on the Redlake Indian Reservation, the first thing the pussy gunrights a**holes started bitching about was that we were going to take their guns away from them! I responded "No, we weren't going to take their guns away from them, we were too busy burying our children!"

So be careful with that racist crap, you haven't a damned clue who you are talking to in these forums!

[TLAM Strike]

Accursed Peers? You mean like a Jinxed Jury?

You joke but use of witchcraft is a serious crime!*




*in Saudi Arabia, Canada and some Australian states.


:O:

[flip665]

a murder just recently, about 30 miles from where i live, has the state of vermont pushing legislation to reinstate the death penalty for the exact reason stated above: 1st degree premeditated ...

[August]

If they're proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, if their crime is so henious as to merit life in prison, and if their that far gone, that means they are beyond redemption or rehabilitation, then why put up with them? They will never amount to anything except a financial burden to society, and quite frankly, rabid dogs should be put down. The original article is ample reason enough.

Lots of ifs there Duc and doesn't allow for prosecutorial misconduct or incompetent defense.

For example, One of my fellow Baystaters Lawrence Adams spent 30 years in prison, some of it on death row, for a murder he was eventually proven not to have committed.

http://www.nodp.org/ma/stacks/l_adams.html

He'd have long since gone to the chair by the standard you propose.

Ditto for Greg Bright, Dewey Bozella, Frank Sterling, Earl Washington, Ray Krone, Ronald Kitchen, Marvin Reeves, Steven Truscott and many, many more.

IMO Executions are just too final to be done quickly.

[Penguin]

Because to some this is not a hate crime or racially motivated so who cares.... You can find the general attitude of some in this thread. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=194171 My guess is your answer from some is they were old and easy target. And that makes it all ok and better for all involved. :doh:


Do you want to buy an orange from me?
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I think your English comprehension skills are good enough to read the thread which you linked another time and see that nobody wrote "who cares" or something like "the guy deserved it". Last time I checked, behaving like an idiot is not forbidden and not punishable by a beatdown. The guy in Baltimore did unneccessarily rise his risk to become a victim of a crime, no he did not deserve it.
Please do not use this example here, of an old couple, attacked while living peacefully in their home to accuse people of an imaginative apathy against crime.
The OP's point of that thread was to use the Baltimore example to point out his contempt for the human race, not to show an example of an extraordinary savage crime or a hate crime. You brought it up and yet failed to bring any proof to the table.
I think you do really only want to read what your personal perception is, so try again to read between the lines, or just read the lines.

[mookiemookie]

First of all, both Sharpton and Jackson can get immediate media attention everytime they say something! They can turn anything into a major media event. They said nothing at all about how tragic this was. I fail to see how that's relevant. They get airtime precisely because they say such outlandish things. I don't know many people, black, white or purple who lend much credence to what they say or think that they represent them in any real way. It's the same thing that PETA does...say or do something completely outlandish to garner attention for your cause.


None of the major news outlets even mention this crime, but things this tragic happen all the time. You've just answered your own question here. It's not top of the fold news because murders where the suspects are brought in and investigated and sent to trial happen all the time.

But this deal with Zimmerman, is everywhere! Why is that? All crimes like this are tragic, no matter who is involved! Maybe I'm not being clear here...let's think about this. What's different in this situation? Why would people get all spun up over someone who was killed, and the police initially refused to do anything more than take one side of the story, say it sounded alright enough to let the shooter go based upon a legal concept that allows people free reign to kill another because they felt threatened. Can you see how that's a completely different situation? Taking the racial element out of the equation, can you see how someone would stop and say "wait a minute, you mean this guy is going to get away with killing someone else all because he said he felt threatened and the police took his word for it without any sort of real investigation?" Race doesn't really play much of an issue in that, regardless of what the agenda-pushers on both sides of the issue would like you to believe.

When the school shootings happened on the Redlake Indian Reservation, the first thing the pussy gunrights a**holes started bitching about was that we were going to take their guns away from them! I responded "No, we weren't going to take their guns away from them, we were too busy burying our children!" This sounds like it's struck a personal nerve for you, and for that, I'm sorry, but that still doesn't excuse that sort of language, even if it's m*sked w*th asteri*ks. I'd advise you to review the forum rules on etiquette and language here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language

So be careful with that racist crap, you haven't a damned clue who you are talking to in these forums! That cuts both ways. We all bring our various combined life experiences, viewpoints and opinions to the table here. Ideally in an adult fashion. So, respectfully, put your big boy pants on or don't post in GT.

[Platapus]

People don't normally spend 30 years on death row.

The average time between sentencing and execution, in 2010 was a little more than 14 years. 178 months to be precise.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/time-death-row

To my knowledge, the longest a person has spent on death row in recent history was 32 years (Supreme Court case Thompson v McNeil 2009). To the best of my knowledge he is still on death row as the Supreme Court chose not to review his case. 32 years is by no means a common duration on death row.

Jack Alderman spent 33 years on Death Row but he was executed in 2008.

Each state has its own rules for appeals and judicial reviews in death penalty cases. Most, if not all, states have legislation requiring judicial review at the federal level for death penalty cases. The Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 helped streamline this federal judicial review process.

But in any case, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the average time on death row is just over 14 years that means that a bunch of people are executed after shorter time on Death Row.

The news media tend to only report the extreme cases.

My opinion: Once they are in prison, who cares how long it takes to execute them? To me, the most grievous crime would be for a state to execute an innocent citizen. I want, and in fact, demand, that states take as long as they feel necessary to make sure they are not executing an innocent citizen.

Time and money spent on Due Process is never a waste.

[Tribesman]

None of the major news outlets even mention this crime, but things this tragic happen all the time.But this deal with Zimmerman, is everywhere! Why is that? All crimes like this are tragic, no matter who is involved!

You seem to be shooting well wide of the mark, its all very simple, its all very clear, you yourself have spelt it out but cannot accept the connection as you are still desperately trying to make one that doesn't exist.

[mookiemookie]

People don't normally spend 30 years on death row.

The average time between sentencing and execution, in 2010 was a little more than 14 years. 178 months to be precise.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/time-death-row

To my knowledge, the longest a person has spent on death row in recent history was 32 years (Supreme Court case Thompson v McNeil 2009). To the best of my knowledge he is still on death row as the Supreme Court chose not to review his case. 32 years is by no means a common duration on death row.

Jack Alderman spent 33 years on Death Row but he was executed in 2008.

Each state has its own rules for appeals and judicial reviews in death penalty cases. Most, if not all, states have legislation requiring judicial review at the federal level for death penalty cases. The Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 helped streamline this federal judicial review process.

But in any case, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the average time on death row is just over 14 years that means that a bunch of people are executed after shorter time on Death Row.

The news media tend to only report the extreme cases.

My opinion: Once they are in prison, who cares how long it takes to execute them? To me, the most grievous crime would be for a state to execute an innocent citizen. I want, and in fact, demand, that states take as long as they feel necessary to make sure they are not executing an innocent citizen.

Time and money spent on Due Process is never a waste.

Agreed on all points. One of my favorite quotes is from John Adams:

"It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, "whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection," and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever."

[GoldenRivet]

Bottom line... They are too white to be considered victims of anything.

[Tribesman]

Bottom line... They are too white to be considered victims of anything.
:Kaleun_Crying:
Is that another person with pigment chip on the shoulder showing the fake victim mentality at work?

The daily mail certainly showed good business sense with their US expansion, clearly there is more money to be made on ratings by pandering to the fears of the poor little white "victims" than from its traditional blue rinse brigade of curtain twitchers.