View Full Version : Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws
MothBalls
04-01-12, 04:17 PM
The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745
Wow, just wow. You guys don't have laws to protect you from laws like this?
Torplexed
04-01-12, 04:25 PM
You already have posters like this up in Britain which seem to inadvertently invoke the Golden Age of totalitarianism. Looks like Big Brother is setting up shop.
http://www.oldthinkernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/secure-beneath-watchful-eyes.jpg
George Orwell must be doing cartwheels in his grave. :nope:
Platapus
04-01-12, 05:12 PM
There is no way any government would ever abuse this. That would be wrong. :yep:
Each time such a law are submitted and implemented, do not forget to send a thank you to Osama Bin Laden & Co.. Had it not been for him and his friends, all these laws on surveillance and restriction of our freedom probably not been reached.
Markus
krashkart
04-01-12, 05:43 PM
There is no way any government would ever abuse this. That would be wrong. :yep:
Absolutely. They look out for us all the time, and would never try to take advantage of us. :yep:
I, for one, welcome our new totalitarian overlords. :yep:
MUST OBEY...MUST OBEY...
Tribesman
04-01-12, 06:34 PM
I thought Britain had been doing this since the late 1980s anyway.
Sailor Steve
04-01-12, 06:36 PM
I see this as a good thing. Since there is no way the current staff of any country could possibly read everybody's mail, they'll need to hire a great many more workers. In fact they'll need to hire every single unemployed person in the country, and then start stealing employees from companies around the nation. It will probably be easier to pay companies to assign people to this work. Pretty soon we'll have the entire population spying on each other. What could be wrong with that? It will be the ultimate socialist paradise. If everyone works for the government then we all work for each other, and we all get along much better.
It wouldn't work here in the US, though. The states will want a piece of the action, and then we'd have the federal and state governments spying on each other. Not that they don't already. :sunny:
nikimcbee
04-01-12, 06:40 PM
Just think of all the civil service jobs this will create.
April Fools?
Cheers
Garion
Herr-Berbunch
04-02-12, 03:03 AM
Pretty soon we'll have the entire population spying on each other. What could be wrong with that? It will be the ultimate socialist paradise. If everyone works for the government then we all work for each other, and we all get along much better.
Surveillance Tracking And (Web)Site Intelligence :yep:
Hey, lets call it The Stasi for short :D
VipertheSniper
04-02-12, 06:07 AM
April Fools?
Cheers
Garion
Sadly not
Sadly not
Bummer, I guess every email I send now will have to have a reference to Bomb, bomb, bombity Bombs in it or sink, sink sinkity sink, just to see what happens.
I like flight Sims AND Sub SIms yoo see and want to spread the word:D
Cheers
Garion
mookiemookie
04-02-12, 06:41 AM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz3h54EtJC1qhv4t1.jpg
You already have posters like this up in Britain which seem to inadvertently invoke the Golden Age of totalitarianism. Looks like Big Brother is setting up shop.
http://www.oldthinkernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/secure-beneath-watchful-eyes.jpg
George Orwell must be doing cartwheels in his grave. :nope:
That poster is awesome! I want one! Been to London a lot over the last few years but never seen one. It's ace!
Totalitarianism may be a great evil but the poster art is always sweet!
Jimbuna
04-02-12, 07:51 AM
http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/00-intro.jpg
Pic
http://uktv.co.uk/images/standarditem/L1/578401_L1.jpg
Surveillance Tracking And (Web)Site Intelligence :yep:
Hey, lets call it The Stasi for short :DI was thinking the same thing. Didn't we see this already some time ago.
krashkart
04-02-12, 12:06 PM
I, for one, welcome our new totalitarian overlords. :yep:
MUST OBEY...MUST OBEY...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mpBGa4P5jUo/SMbgr2V6SwI/AAAAAAAABdA/pX19QrBeYDs/s400/timemachine2.jpg
It wouldn't work here in the US, though. The states will want a piece of the action, and then we'd have the federal and state governments spying on each other. Not that they don't already. :sunny:
Sorry, Steve...
Done deal:
The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/
The information on page 5 regarding the breaking of encryption is really interesting and really concerning. If the NSA has found a way to enable real time decryption of "strong encryption", how soon afterward do the entities we don't want to have this capability also gain this technology. This sort of tech very rarely stays in-house. How long until someone, say China, Russia, the Mossad, get this and use it against us? Then there is the corporate world; think of how much they would like to have tech like this to get a leg up on their competition or to spy on consumers to aid in marketing. The prospect of what we now know as "privacy" is growing dimmer as days go by...
krashkart
04-02-12, 12:43 PM
Sorry, Steve...
The information on page 5 regarding the breaking of encryption is really interesting and really concerning. If the NSA has found a way to enable real time decryption of "strong encryption", how soon afterward do the entities we don't want to have this capability also gain this technology. This sort of tech very rarely stays in-house. How long until someone, say China, Russia, the Mossad, get this and use it against us?
It doesn't take much to crack the government data safes here. How many times have we seen news stories about another break-in at JPL, Social Security, NASA, the Defense Department, etc? It leaves me thinking that the government is completely inept at protecting it's own interests on its own soil.
Then there is the corporate world; think of how much they would like to have tech like this to get a leg up on their competition or to spy on consumers to aid in marketing. The prospect of what we now know as "privacy" is growing dimmer as days go by...
Why do you think Google and Facebook are free to use? Nothing we do online these days as private citizens is safe from data mining... and for that matter have a look at how many people are drooling over things like Google Chrome. How many times in an average day does someone tell someone to use Google to find the information they're looking for? Anything you type into their search box gets stored and eventually packaged into targeted advertisements. They don't need to crack any crypto to be able to tell what's on our minds. :-?
They don't need to crack any crypto to be able to tell what's on our minds. :-?
No, not at that level, but think like a corporate "creep" (couldn't think offhand of a better term) who really wants to know what consumers think and feel. The ability to snoop around your emails or other forms of communication is just too strong a temptation for those types to resist. The spreading use of RFID tags on many consumer products and tools such as credit/debit cards is just a small indication of how far corporations are willing to go to data on you and your activities. And, they are not even goverment agencies...
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No, not at that level, but think like a corporate "creep" (couldn't think offhand of a better term) who really wants to know what consumers think and feel. The ability to snoop around your emails or other forms of communication is just too strong a temptation for those types to resist. The spreading use of RFID tags on many consumer products and tools such as credit/debit cards is just a small indication of how far corporations are willing to go to data on you and your activities. And, they are not even goverment agencies...
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capitalism is dead, corporlism is here and now, its aim is to return slavery to the world. I will gladly die fighting this evil and die a free man.
Jimbuna
04-02-12, 03:30 PM
capitalism is dead, corporlism is here and now, its aim is to return slavery to the world. I will gladly die fighting this evil and die a free man.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1-0LrXwhLRo/T2YUNPkQfAI/AAAAAAAAAKU/3sW3__zlcDg/s1600/big-brother-poster.jpg
antikristuseke
04-02-12, 03:34 PM
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"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
Why do you think Google and Facebook are free to use? Nothing we do online these days as private citizens is safe from data mining... and for that matter have a look at how many people are drooling over things like Google Chrome. How many times in an average day does someone tell someone to use Google to find the information they're looking for? Anything you type into their search box gets stored and eventually packaged into targeted advertisements. They don't need to crack any crypto to be able to tell what's on our minds. :-?
The mention of Facebook and other "social media" brings up another breach of privacy: social network data mining. Here is the Homepage of one such company:
http://www.socialintel.com/
This came to my attention via a radio report on how employers are using these services as a means of finding out about prospective and/or current employees. These services function somewhat like a credit rating service except they have a much broader reach via social networking. This little bit of snooping came up also in a report about how employers are now out-of-hand rejecting applications for employment from applicants who are not currently employed. In other words, you can't get a job unless you already have a job. It used to be you had to have experience to get a job, but you couldn't get experience because you couldn't get a job. Now, you can't get a job because you don't have a job...
Adding the component af social network checks to already existing background checks (credt, employment, criminal, etc.) adds just one more layer and obstacle to those otherwise qualified who may not pass the muster of these checks. Oh, and don't think you can get by with cleaning up your social network page just before you go job hunting or anything else requiring a background check; the report said these "Social Intelligence"-type services keep an ongoing search of social sites, so something you deleted/erased may still be in their archives...
Not enpugh to raise your ire? how about how some of these services are also checking into those who are listed as "friends" or contacts on your social site? Don't smoke pot or belong to a suspect organozation or group, etc? Well, maybe a friend does; sort of guilt (or at least suspicion) by association... :nope:
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Platapus
04-02-12, 05:42 PM
Absolutely. They look out for us all the time, and would never try to take advantage of us. :yep:
<clearing throat> ahem. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from your government. <did I say that correctly?>
<clearing throat> ahem. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from your government. <did I say that correctly?>
The governing body has determined you should show more conviction...
Or, perhaps, you are looking for a conviction?... :stare:
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krashkart
04-02-12, 06:08 PM
The mention of Facebook and other "social media" brings up another breach of privacy: social network data mining. Here is the Homepage of one such company:
http://www.socialintel.com/
This came to my attention via a radio report on how employers are using these services as a means of finding out about prospective and/or current employees. These services function somewhat like a credit rating service except they have a much broader reach via social networking. This little bit of snooping came up also in a report about how employers are now out-of-hand rejecting applications for employment from apllicants who are not currently employed. In other words, you can't get a job unless you already have a job. It used to be you had to have experience to get a job, but you couldn't get experience because you couldn;t get a job. Now, you can't get a job because you don't have a job...
Adding the component af social network checks to already existing background checks (credt, employment, criminal, etc.) adds just one more layer and obstacle to those otherwise qualified who may not pass the muster of these checks. Oh, and don't think you can get by with cleaning up your social network page just before you go job hunting or anything else requiring a background check; the report said these "Social Intelligence"-type services keep an ongoing search of social sites, so something you deleted/erased may still be in their archives...
Not enpugh to raise your ire? how about how some of these services are also checking into those who are listed as "friends" or contacts on your social site? Don't smoke pot or belong to a suspect organozation or group, etc? Well, maybe a friend does; sort of guilt (orat least suspicion) by association... :nope:
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Yeesh! I've heard this or that about social networking sites, but that stands my neck hairs on end.
darqen27
04-02-12, 06:15 PM
You can't say bomb in an airport!
Bomb.. bomb bomb bomb de bomb didy bomb de bomb
Back during the hysteria fostered by the Cheney/Bush administration and the adoption of the Patriot Act, I seem to recall there was a member of Congress so ired by the Administration's efforts to comb through every email, phone call, etc. to find even a hint of forbidden words, he sent an email to all the other members of Congress (Senate and House), top Administration officials, and other key players containing those words in very innocuous usage just to see if the recipients would fall prey to the "guardians". I never did hear of the result of this experiment, but I'm pretty sure no one wound up in Gitmo (although they might have been invited to go hunting with Cheney)...
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krashkart
04-02-12, 08:35 PM
<clearing throat> ahem. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from your government. <did I say that correctly?>
I've never done anything wrong. Honest. :yep:
(If that was a reference from a movie, Platapus, I think it sailed clear over my head. :haha:)
Sailor Steve
04-02-12, 08:58 PM
It wasn't from a movie. It's what government types and their supporters always say when they want to make another intrusive law.
darqen27
04-03-12, 01:57 AM
Yeesh! I've heard this or that about social networking sites, but that stands my neck hairs on end.
Hench why only my friends know who i am on facebook(Fake name) and my page has VERY basic information on it
Never had a social networking site with my real name on it
Catfish
04-03-12, 03:39 AM
How high is the (back then) invented "threat level" in the US right now ?
Red ? Yellow ? Checkered brown with diarrhea yellow ?
I mean we are talking about serious Bull$hit here.
All as a justificatiomn, or better pretext, to know all you say, write and think ?
All under the smokescreen of "democracy" and "defending" against terrorist attacks.
Really, you know what ? (In best George Carlin Voice)
I am not afraid of terrorist attacks AT ALL ! AT ALL ! AT ALL !
You know what ? Life itself is dangerous, nobody gets out of here alive.
I really should not go out anymore, the risk to die on the street is a billion times higher than a terrorist "attack". Wasn't that called an assassination not so long ago ? But of course you need an organisation, a war and warlike doubletalk for justification.
Of course, there are also those "social networks", from Xing to Stepstone to Facebook to whatnot. Organisations vieweing info about persons that show up here and there gather this kind of information (called "scraping"), and can already put up a pretty good profile. Add the info of the articles posted above, and they know almost all of your habits, preferences, financial status and ideas. And i mean ALL.
A good side income is selling this to companies, like banks. But whoever is interested and pays, gets it.
So you looked for a used car in Google or a bank credit ? Some weeks later you go to some bank, but "Sorry Sir, it seems you do not provide enough financial security."
"But i have a job and want to buy a new car !"
"No Sir, according to our information you are a liar, we have already called the police to deal with you."
This must be the wet dream of the secret services.
We are living in a post-capitalist time, it is all about corporalism now, and you have no rights. "It is called the american dream because you have to be asleep to believe it".
It is not about the US alone though, if you look close to what is happening in the EU.
George Carlin - Why You Are In Debt - YouTube (http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv %3D-PkWf9M3rUw%26feature%3Drelated)
The illusion of freedom and meaningless choices
George Carlin the illusion of freedom - YouTube (http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv %3DmKQs-jDI7j8%26feature%3Drelated)
:stare: rant over
Greetings,
Catfish
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