TMO is tough!

[Bilge_Rat]

So there I was, dec. 17, 1942, in a radar equipped Gato at radar depth tracking a western bound freighter just off the eastern entrance to the Inland Sea. It was 2 hours before sundown. I was tracking the ship on Radar, waiting until dark so I could surface and get close enough to attack when all of a sudden, without warning an explosion shatters my sub and sends it straight to the seabed at 280 feet. Despite the best efforts of my crew, the sub flooded and so ended my first TMO career. Probably an aircraft spotted me.


...this is fun. :arrgh!:

[Torplexed]

Just curious as I've haven't used TMO, but how come radar didn't pick up the incoming plane?

[gAiNiAc]

Just curious as I've haven't used TMO, but how come radar didn't pick up the incoming plane?


Good question. If he didn't have an SD installed is the only way I can see that happening.

[Bilge_Rat]

Just curious as I've haven't used TMO, but how come radar didn't pick up the incoming plane?

Actually it now think it was probably a mine since I was within 5 miles of land. I am playing at 100% realism so I did not see what hit my boat.

Patrolling off the coast of Japan, I was getting buzzed regularly by aircraft and always received a warning from radar before.

[donna52522]

Gremlins....don't be fooled, they're everywhere :doh:

[Ewall007]

So there I was, dec. 17, 1942, in a radar equipped Gato at radar depth tracking a western bound freighter just off the eastern entrance to the Inland Sea. It was 2 hours before sundown. I was tracking the ship on Radar, waiting until dark so I could surface and get close enough to attack when all of a sudden, without warning an explosion shatters my sub and sends it straight to the seabed at 280 feet. Despite the best efforts of my crew, the sub flooded and so ended my first TMO career. Probably an aircraft spotted me.


...this is fun. :arrgh!:

How close were you to the coast line:06:. Some times a shore gun can do a lot of damage! You conning tower was exposed at radar depth if the sea was very calm. Then again, it could have been a mine if you were in shallow waters.

I'm running TMO / RSRDC and I had a coastel gun take me out in the Sunda Strait. It was on some little island I didn't even see it until my boat was hit 3 or 4 times :o.

Ewall007
"Ranging Far, Sweeping Wide"
Quote from Victory at Sea 1955

[Armistead]

Did you have you radar extended, but if you were tracking with surface radar, it should've been exposed anyway..I guess you were at surface radar depth.

Seldom does one AA bomb take out your sub.

Did you see percent damage, even at 50% you shouldn't implode at that depth. Was it possible you were scrubbing the seafloor taking more damage? Also, sometime it's better to blow tanks and surface, I can usually get surfaced with 3 flooded compartments, use flank speed and blow tanks a few times should get u up.

Shore guns may shoot at your con tower, but usually you must be much closer in day for them to see it. I still run TMO 2.2 and no doubt with increased gun range I've been shot at at 10,000 yards surfaced, but never been shot at at radar depth unless within a few thousand yards.

Sounds like u hit a mine or forgot to install air radar and a plane got ya..

[denny927]

I think was a mine, 99% sure.

[TorpX]

The game should really tell you what happened. I don't understand why they would forget something like that.

[Bilge_Rat]

I was a little past this point when the sub went down:

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/225/deathmap0001.jpg


I checked in the RSRDC campaign files and that is at the northern edge of a japanese minefield. I could be a coastal gun on the island to the NW which I could plainly see, but I was at radar depth so only my radar was above the surface. The hit took the hull to 32% damage and caused flooding in the control room, conning tower and forward torpedo room. I was on the radar when it happened tracking the ship so I presume I would have had a warning of incoming aircraft? A mine does look like the likely suspect. Just have to be more careful next time.

[WernherVonTrapp]

In that pic, it looks like you're at least 10 miles from any land. You say you were a little past that point (don't know exactly how far) but at radar depth, I still doubt you were spotted by shore batteries. If you were at radar depth, in a Gato, that must be around 40 to 43 feet, and if mines are set from 50 to 150 feet (as I read in another post) it probably wasn't a mine. Your radar should've picked up any air contacts at radar depth, even if it wasn't extended.
I don't know:hmmm:, beats the sh!te outta me. Maybe you got rammed from behind by an incoming freighter/DD or took fire from one of the convoys DDs at distance.

[TorpX]

I doubt he was hit by shore batteries or gunfire; the odds of a first round hit at such a distance are remote. My money is on the mine.

[Ewall007]

After looking at the map I'm thinking mine also.:hmmm:
That little island to the NW would have to have radar it self in order to hit you in the area you said, beside the hull of your sub was underwater by at least 60 feet if your at radar depth no shell would cause that amount of damage.
The map color of that area of ocean looks to be around 200 feet to 150 feet.
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6528/silenthunter444.jpg
Here I am in the Korea Strait at 200 feet. Im guessing that the mine in this image is around 150 feet in this case. I just missed it myself.:o

Ewall007
"Ranging Far, Sweeping Wide"
Quote from Victory at Sea 1955

[denny927]

mines not, aircraft not, other DD in the distance, I dont believe it, maybe a underwater gate?????:hmmm::88)

[Krauter]

Guessing on where you got damaged I'd also say a mine, as it's consistent with something blowing up your bow after you hit it.

[Ewall007]

Maybe it wasn't a mine at all, maybe it was a Jap sub that fired on your boat. After all you were in there home waters. :06:

He could been submeraged, and sonar didn't pick him up:hmmm: I think you said something about you were at the sonar station, you could have had the sonar pointed in a different direction :06:

Comments anyone...:D

Ewall007
"Ranging Far, Sweeping Wide"
Quote from Victory at Sea 1955

[Torplexed]

Maybe it wasn't a mine at all, maybe it was a Jap sub that fired on your boat. After all you were in there home waters. :06:

He could been submeraged, and sonar didn't pick him up:hmmm: I think you said something about you were at the sonar station, you could have had the sonar pointed in a different direction :06:

Comments anyone...:D

In the TMO manual it says, "In your travels it is possible for you to encounter Japanese submarines while on the surface, albeit these encounters will be very rare."

So it doesn't sound like AI subs operate submerged, and he doesn't mention seeing one on the surface. :hmmm:

[Ewall007]

In the TMO manual it says, "In your travels it is possible for you to encounter Japanese submarines while on the surface, albeit these encounters will be very rare."

So it doesn't sound like AI subs operate submerged, and he doesn't mention seeing one on the surface. :hmmm:

Good point!:DL
I read that too, but I read a little more into it. Thinking that if there on the surface then why not underwater too...:hmmm:. After all they are submarines...but if its surface only then I agree with you....:D

Back to being a mine problem:yep:

Ewall007
"Ranging Far, Sweeping Wide"
Quote from Victory at Sea 1955

[DrBeast]

Definitely a mine problem...

http://youtu.be/p-3e0EkvIEM

[Ewall007]

Definitely a mine problem...

http://youtu.be/p-3e0EkvIEM


:haha::har::har::har::haha: Your killing me.....


Ewall007
"Ranging Far, Sweeping Wide"
Quote from Victory at Sea 1955

[flip665]

or... is it entirely possible you suffered from the dreaded target fixation and you didnt register/hear the air contact notification...