Why won't those ships SINK already?!

[misha1967]

OK, I'm nitpicking now.

I think we can all agree that the sinkings in the stock version of SH5 were a bit too "theatrical", if that's the right expression. I remember only too well the first ship you shoot at in the stock tutorial which promptly blows up, then goes below in a matter of seconds. Still, it looked good but it was hardly realistic unless you had a lucky shot that just happened to break her keel.

That's not what I'm looking for. I do want ships I've sunk to behave realistically. One thing where the mods have certainly improved things is when you compare to the tanker that you sink in the stock tutorial where it has the deck below the waves, yet it refuses to sink because you haven't yet exceeded the arbitrary maximum coded into the game. You have to either waste another torpedo on it or sink it with your deck gun to get it to go below even though it's quite obvious from looking at it that it's not going to survive. The modders fixed that by making fires etc. continue to add damage over time which is great and a much needed addition.

But now I have the same problem that I had in SH3: In order to make sinkings more "realistic", I literally have to wait around for hours to see if my target actually sinks. I have no visual indicator anymore. For instance, I just sank a freighter and the sim reported it as sunk and added it to my journal, yet from looking at it, it wasn't in the least bit about to sink. Sure, it had some fires on it, but it still had a bow spray even though it was dead in the water.

I just miss the epic sinking sequences, I guess, where you see the bow or the stern going below the waves, but they're not there anymore. I can't honestly tell the difference from looking at a target whether it's mortally wounded and sinking or if it's just steaming along with a few fires on it. I know that if I were to stick around for half a day, I'd find out if it eventually sank, but I miss the sinking sequences to let me know.

Small thing, I know, I can just go by the message box to see when my target is going to count, but I'd like to see at least a few targets actually sink. It's better than the old state where you could have a target unable to survive because its decks were below the waves, yet it wouldn't sink, but isn't there some middle ground where you can acually SEE the sinking of it?

My mod soup:


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[THE_MASK]

Funny how this game has a mind of its own . I have sinkings that break in half , destroyed from fires , sink stern first , list , all diffrent .

[Swat]

Yeah, me too. It seems all right to me. With the mods the sinking feels ok. Yes, sometimes it takes dozens of minutes untill the ship gets flooded completely, sometimes I surface the sub, climb to the bridge and enjoy the actual sinking.

[Bothersome]

Not to steal the thread, but Swat, that was an excellent movie about U-21 you made there in your sig. Great job. Enjoyed it much.

And to keep on topic. We need sinkings that might sometimes go off like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD0d_J4y_s4&feature=related

That's some real footage of a battleship going down.

[misha1967]

Funny how this game has a mind of its own . I have sinkings that break in half , destroyed from fires , sink stern first , list , all diffrent .

I know, Sober, and it is puzzling. I've seen plenty of screenshots documenting quite clearly that it's possible for the ships to sink in a myriad of ways, yet mine always sink the same way: Perfectly level and then down after having sat on the surface for ages showing no signs of ever sinking, even with as many as 8 holes under the waterline and the entire superstructure on fire.

I've even had one crack in half right down the middle and those two halves still went down straight and level.

I must be hitting them wrong or something :03:

[Bilge_Rat]

I know, Sober, and it is puzzling. I've seen plenty of screenshots documenting quite clearly that it's possible for the ships to sink in a myriad of ways, yet mine always sink the same way: Perfectly level and then down after having sat on the surface for ages showing no signs of ever sinking, even with as many as 8 holes under the waterline and the entire superstructure on fire.

I've even had one crack in half right down the middle and those two halves still went down straight and level.

I must be hitting them wrong or something :03:

You might want to reinstal TDW's FX mod to make sure the right files are there including the correct Zones.cfg file in the "Data" folder.

[misha1967]

You might want to reinstal TDW's FX mod to make sure the right files are there including the correct Zones.cfg file in the "Data" folder.

Not a bad idea, actually. I'll try that the next time I'm in port :up:

Incidentally, is there one of the mods after FX in my current mod soup that might mess up the zones.cfg file?

[Swat]

Bothersome: Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.

[Bilge_Rat]

Misha1967, I saw your post on the OHII thread and I think that is the answer.

In his FX mod, TDW made many custom tweaks to how various ships sink which only work properly with the custom Zones.cfg file that comes with his mod.

I have not looked at OHII enviro, but I presume their Zone.cfg file is only the stock file with their custom tweaks and that it does not include TDW's tweaks.

[misha1967]

Misha1967, I saw your post on the OHII thread and I think that is the answer.

In his FX mod, TDW made many custom tweaks to how various ships sink which only work properly with the custom Zones.cfg file that comes with his mod.

I have not looked at OHII enviro, but I presume their Zone.cfg file is only the stock file with their custom tweaks and that it does not include TDW's tweaks.

It would seem to be that way as it's the only mod that accesses that file in my mod soup after I load FX. Now only remains the question on how to fix it, seeing as both mods are, in my opinion, absolutely impossible to do without. :DL

[EDIT]: Hmm... Now I'm confuzzled. I compared the two zones.cfg files in WinMerge, both in my MODS folder and in the original downloaded files, and they're completely identical. :hmmm:

[Bilge_Rat]

[EDIT]: Hmm... Now I'm confuzzled. I compared the two zones.cfg files in WinMerge, both in my MODS folder and in the original downloaded files, and they're completely identical. :hmmm:

so maybe that is not the problem, back to square one.

[misha1967]

so maybe that is not the problem, back to square one.

Name of the game with this hobby, isn't it? :DL And no, that was not a criticism. It's part of the fun if you ask me, but then again I'm strange :03:

Still wondering if I'm sinking my targets "wrong." Since the mag pistols are historically worthless until about '41 (wouldn't want it any other way), I usually go straight for the middle of the target, about 2.5-3m below the water line. I've tried under the keel shots in '39 just to see if I could get it to work at least some of the time, but the sim's mag pistols are true to their historical counterparts. They go straight under the target without as much as a burp. Saw a full load of 4 torpedoes do just that once, even had them going at different depths from "just under the keel" to 3m below. All duds, but I'm sure I managed to scare the pants off some of the marine life in the process :03:

[darrincates]

... yet mine always sink the same way: Perfectly level and then down after having sat on the surface for ages showing no signs of ever sinking, even with as many as 8 holes under the waterline and the entire superstructure on fire.
I've even had one crack in half right down the middle and those two halves still went down straight and level. I must be hitting them wrong or something :03:

Exactly! Me too! - Same deal! ... I thought it was just my soup set up gone bad or something .... It does take many, many hours for a ship to sink. I don't mind I guess ... If it's more relistic than Yes, I would rather wait the hours like in real life .. (but in real life some ships did go down in 15 minutes .... right?)

More important: I too see exactly everything you described ... is that part of the realism from another MOD or something? Or, Do ships really sink like that in real life, rather than 'movie like' as in Titanic?

Don't get me wrong ... I am not complaining at ALL ... OHII Rocks!:rock: ... and is what kept me from going back to SHIII, but this level ship sinking after many, many, hours started after I was turned onto OHII ....

I used to have a lot of mods installed, but I was still looking for Historically Accurate, Chronoligical Event Involvment for Realism sake ... and OHII delivers so far! ... Like a kid waiting outside a candy shop, I'm currently waiting at the east entrance to Scapa Flow (it's 10/12/39)
I hope I see, (and half to navigate around), those three blockade ships in the way like in real life ... I've never had so much fun since OHII and I'm addicted now ...

Anyways, pre-OH II, sinkings were probably stock as they were 'movie like' and now on this fresh install and soup, the ships go down pretty even all the time ... I don't mind waiting hours I guess, as long that is what is realistic .... I would like to go back to stock sinkings temporarily to comapre and see the difference on the same sinking done twice.

Is there a setting in a config file somewhere to set sinkings back to stock so I can toggle between stock sinkings and OHII sinkings between sessions? - Darrin

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[TheDarkWraith]

What you all are failing to realize is the myriad of ships added to the game by others. If those ships don't reference the new zones I created in FX_Update's zones.cfg file then you'll never see the sinking mechanics I made for them or the new effects. The only ships I know of that use my zones are the ones included in FX_Update.

[Bilge_Rat]

What you all are failing to realize is the myriad of ships added to the game by others. If those ships don't reference the new zones I created in FX_Update's zones.cfg file then you'll never see the sinking mechanics I made for them or the new effects. The only ships I know of that use my zones are the ones included in FX_Update.

Ah yes, I see the problem now. With the changes you made to the generic zones, any add-on ship which does not have your custom Zon. file will be very hard and very slow to sink.

[Trevally.]

Ah yes, I see the problem now. With the changes you made to the generic zones, any add-on ship which does not have your custom Zon. file will be very hard and very slow to sink.

The new ships added to OHII may not be linked to the new zones in TDWs cfg - I am not sure - perhaps Rongel can let us know, i will PM him:yep:

This test mission is set using all stock ships (GR2) so as long as you have TDWs FXv1.9 they should sink by zone
https://rapidshare.com/files/3435443383/Sinking_Tests.7z
:up:

[misha1967]

What you all are failing to realize is the myriad of ships added to the game by others. If those ships don't reference the new zones I created in FX_Update's zones.cfg file then you'll never see the sinking mechanics I made for them or the new effects. The only ships I know of that use my zones are the ones included in FX_Update.

But I didn't add the new ships part of OHII, only the base and enviro.

[ljekio]

Have you come across indestructible ships? I just came across this one. he didn’t want to drown, he was burning badly. In the end, he was shot from a deck gun (more than 50 shells after torp), the yellow marker disappeared from him and the gunners stopped seeing him as a target. I had to save, reload and he immediately drowned. Just didn’t sign up for my journal, well, to hell with it. Just wondering how often these things happen.

[KaleunMarco]

Have you come across indestructible ships? I just came across this one. he didn’t want to drown, he was burning badly. In the end, he was shot from a deck gun (more than 50 shells after torp), the yellow marker disappeared from him and the gunners stopped seeing him as a target. I had to save, reload and he immediately drowned. Just didn’t sign up for my journal, well, to hell with it. Just wondering how often these things happen.

let me ask a couple of what might seem unrelated questions:

were you close to land (within 60km)?
had you sunk a ship of the same class, in that area, during the same mission?

in a previous version of SH5 (SH4, to be exact), if the two conditions above were met, the result would be exactly what you experienced.

:timeout:

[ljekio]

let me ask a couple of what might seem unrelated questions:

were you close to land (within 60km)?
had you sunk a ship of the same class, in that area, during the same mission?

in a previous version of SH5 (SH4, to be exact), if the two conditions above were met, the result would be exactly what you experienced.

:timeout:
The coast was more than 30 km and this is the second ship in the mission that I attacked (the first one sank immediately and was of a different type than the first)

And then I ran into a merchant sniper who hit my sub moving at a speed of 16 knots from a distance of more than 5 kilometers :) But that’s another story.