Terrorist attacks in France

[August]

Two separate attacks on off duty French soldiers and now an attack at a Jewish school that killed three children and one adult.

All three attacks were done by an assailant riding a motor scooter.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/19/official-several-killed-in-shooting-at-french-jewish-school/

[Hottentot]

Local newspaper in the morning claimed all the soldiers were of North African origin. Seems this guy, as loony as he is, may have planned these attacks to some extent, and therefore also continue if not caught.

[Skybird]

The three most likely scenarios, imo:

- it is a rightwing extremist (the soldiers were of Northafrican descent)

- it is a psychotic maniac living his mad dream

- it is a Muhammeddan on jihad

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

The three most likely scenarios, imo:

- it is a rightwing extremist (the soldiers were of Northafrican descent)

- it is a psychotic maniac living his mad dreamI agree. I also see these as most likely.
- it is a Muhammeddan on jihadThats possible if its just singleman "army". In case Al-Qaeda or another loony bin collection would be behind this wouldn't there already be congestion in responsibility claimers' podium?

[kranz]

All three attacks were done by an assailant riding a motor scooter.


The four most likely scenarios, imo:

- it is a rightwing extremist (the soldiers were of Northafrican descent)

- it is a psychotic maniac living his mad dream

- it is a Muhammeddan on jihad

- it is an Italian

fixed.

[Madox58]

an assailant riding a motor scooter
it is a Muhammeddan on jihad

2012 jihad motor scooter?
Is that a new Brand?
:haha:

[nikimcbee]

2012 jihad motor scooter?
Is that a new Brand?
:haha:

What colo(u)rs do they come in?:haha:

[TLAM Strike]

I agree. I also see these as most likely.
Thats possible if its just singleman "army". In case Al-Qaeda or another loony bin collection would be behind this wouldn't there already be congestion in responsibility claimers' podium? AQ's current doctrine is more to facilitate and incourage the lone wolf Jihadist, but not nessary provide direct support or command; much like the Fort Hood shooting(s).

All three attacks were done by an assailant riding a motor scooter.
Strange death by Vespa is the hollmark of the Mossad. The dead were not designing an Iranian nuke where they? :hmmm:

[TLAM Strike]

What colo(u)rs do they come in?:haha:

72 virgins White
Blood of the Infidel Red
Money stealing Jew Green.

:O:

[Madox58]

What's the MPG (Murders Per Gallon) on those jihad scooters?
:hmmm:

[Blood_splat]

What's the MPG (Murders Per Gallon) on those jihad scooters?
:hmmm:
15 mpg city - 25 highway

[HunterICX]

2 Soldiers shot dead and a school is fired upon with at least 4 shot dead 2 of them apparentely are children and some of you feel like joking?

Nice :down: :nope:

HunterICX

[Oberon]

Dead soldiers and a Jewish school...yeah, I'm on the level with Skybird here, either a jihadist or a right-winger.

Not a good day for France, hope they catch the bastard.

[August]

2 Soldiers shot dead and a school is fired upon with at least 4 shot dead 2 of them apparentely are children and some of you feel like joking?

Nice :down: :nope:

HunterICX

I agree. Not really something to make jokes about.

[Stealhead]

Well I would rule out a lone jihadist seeing as the two troops where of North African descent they are more likely to be Muslim unless the attacker is trying to stir up violence(which might be the goal regardless of creed or craziness) .Sounds more like a right wing extremist I think that a one man jihad would target two white(and more than likely christian) off duty soldiers.Targeting the Jewish school would fit either type of nut though.A right wing extremist Western European seems more likely to target a non-white non-christian victim or anyone that seems leftist.

[mookiemookie]

It sounds like people are doing a lot of jumping to conclusions. It could be a lone nutjob. Since they have no suspect, they really have no way of knowing.

[Stealhead]

There is nothing wrong with speculating what might be the motive or whack jobness of the person/s.I myself at least was just speculating not setting things in stone or jumping to conclusions.This is a forum after all a place of discussion.

[mookiemookie]

This is a forum after all a place of discussion.

Never said it wasn't. I'm simply saying that there's no way of knowing what the motivations of this guy were. In any case, it's very sad that kids can't even be safe at a school. :nope:

[Skybird]

Well I would rule out a lone jihadist seeing as the two troops where of North African descent they are more likely to be Muslim
They served in the infidels' (=wrong) army, and therefore would have been legitimate targets for they already had compromised their faith, from a truly Islamic point of view. See it as a form of collaboration, so to speak. France repeatedly was and is engaged in the Middle East wars of the past 22 years.

However, the latest reports mentioned a link the police is examining, to a paratrooper unit of the army with known problems with rightwing extremism. They see if the murderer may have been a fired member of that unit, and a former rightwing activist hating Jews and taking revenge on his former unit.

[Jimbuna]

The latest update from the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17437795

[Tribesman]

So 3 former paratroopers who got dismissed for being extreme right wing racists are being sought so the police can compare their tattoos with what witnesses describe.

[Stealhead]

I always find it interesting that when a terror attack occurs many tend to assume that it is an extremist Islamic source as if they are the only types that might commit terrorist acts more like they are one of many types in my mind.I feel that any terror attack is a bad thing no matter who might be the victims or who or what the motive is.

My speculation that it the attacker/s where possibly right wing was based on the fact that
1) the victims where non-white and non christian
2) the off duty soldiers killed where of North African decent that would make them most likely not whites most likely Arabs and most likely Muslims.
3)one of the targets was a representation of the French government and something about it that a right winger greatly dislikes: a non-white non-French non-European person in an equal role as a white French person.

The fact also that the men killed where off duty soldiers implied to me that the person was either a current or former solider or a person that has direct knowledge of the activities and hang outs of local soldiers.

Again this my take in the information given I am not trying to say that I or anyone knows for sure.Just saying this is speculation no one needs to tell me that you cant know for sure that is why I call it speculation- A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.or Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

[TLAM Strike]

My speculation that it the attacker/s where possibly right wing was based on the fact that
1) the victims where non-white and non christian
2) the off duty soldiers killed where of North African decent that would make them most likely not whites most likely Arabs and most likely Muslims.
Either of those facts could swing it to a Muslim suspect. There have been incidents of Sunni on Shia on Misc violence in Europe as of late.

[Stealhead]

And they could just as likely apply to a right wing extremist as well you can fill in both slots really.Like I said that is my speculation why must everyone point out how I am wrong when I have stated that my posts are my personal speculation saying that it is an islamic extremist is equally speculative is it not?

I seem to recall when the terror attacks in Norway when that thread was new I recall many speculating that is was islamic extremist when it turned out to be a white more than likely crazy Norwegian man with extreme right wing leanings.

[Jimbuna]

Toulouse school killer 'had camera around his neck'


If this is in fact the case he may well be a psycho.

The three ex-soldiers have been cleared of any wrongdoing.

I look at the photos of those three kids near the bottom of the link then pray they get this individal very quickly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17445305

[Stealhead]

If this is in fact the case he may well be a psycho.

The three ex-soldiers have been cleared of any wrongdoing.

I look at the photos of those three kids near the bottom of the link then pray they get this individal very quickly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17445305

It is the really crazy ones that you really just cant do anything to prevent if they have a goal they are going to try and complete it.Hopefully they catch him.

[Jimbuna]

It is the really crazy ones that you really just cant do anything to prevent if they have a goal they are going to try and complete it.Hopefully they catch him.

Rgr that :yep:

[Stealhead]

http://news.yahoo.com/french-police-raid-house-school-killings-case-042025180.html

Turns it was an AQ follower.

[Oberon]

Well, that's what the guy is saying...if he's actually a nutjob right-winger trying to turn the public more against Muslims then that would be a plausible story to give police. We'll see if his story washes with what evidence is found. It wouldn't surprise me if he is an AQ wanna be though.

[CCIP]

He is apparently of Algerian origin, so I'm pretty sure he's not a right-winger. I'm still willing to bet he's a wannabe rather than an actual AQ member. For all it's worth, it does not seem like what he did was well-planned or well-concealed. Compare this to Breivik for example, who despite also being an apparent lone gunman had pulled off a far more terrifying plan. However what he's managed to do here is truly disturbing nonetheless - sadly an armed nutjob, even a total amateur, can still cause a lot of grief :down:

[MH]

Now...can anyone describe to me what is AQ wanna be?

[Reece]

The three most likely scenarios, imo:

- it is a rightwing extremist (the soldiers were of Northafrican descent)

- it is a psychotic maniac living his mad dream

- it is a Muhammeddan on jihad

Or a white supremacist neo-Nazi if they exist in France.:hmmm: But on a scooter!:88)

[Skybird]

Seems to be an Islamist and confessing Al Quaeda-sympathiser who has been under long-running police observation in the past.

[Dread Knot]

Apparently one of the clues that led police to him, was that he was making inquiries at local garages about having his now famous black scooter repainted.

Oops.

[TLAM Strike]

I'm still willing to bet he's a wannabe rather than an actual AQ member.
As I mentioned in a previous post the wannabes are very much what AQ is now. AQ is mostly limited to encouraging individuals over seas to conduct Jihad or occasionally equipping some lone operator with some explosives. The exception is groups like AQIM and AQAP.

It would be curious to find out who he as been talking to at the local mosque and what internet contacts he has had.

[TLAM Strike]

Now...can anyone describe to me what is AQ wanna be?
Men like Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulhakim_Mujahid_Muhammad) or Nidal Hasan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan)

[the_tyrant]

The guy is caught: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17462604

seems like he is an Islamist extremist

[Jimbuna]

Can't do any more harm to people now :cool:

[TLAM Strike]

Can't do any more harm to people now :cool: I don't know. Each one seems to encourage others.

:nope:

[Jimbuna]

I don't know. Each one seems to encourage others.

:nope:

I take your point but I meant him physically as an individual.

Heaven only knows how many like him are out on the streets in many a country.

[Penguin]

His apartment is still under siege, more and more details about the guy emerge: It is claimed that he was in a camp in the Pakistan/Afghanistan region and even in a prison in Kandahar.
In France he was a model citizen, there he committed only a robbery and some other violent crimes. :nope:
His motive: revenge for the killing of Palestinian children.... :damn:
If he really wanted to get revenge for this, why not travel to Gaza and blow away some Hamas members?


As I mentioned in a previous post the wannabes are very much what AQ is now. AQ is mostly limited to encouraging individuals over seas to conduct Jihad or occasionally equipping some lone operator with some explosives. The exception is groups like AQIM and AQAP.


^this

AQ is no social club with a membership card, nor a structured organization, this is why "lone wolfes" can also be part of the network.

[Skybird]

Al Quaeda since many years poses a threat not so much by being an organisation. It is an idea, a goal to crave for, an ideal. That is what makes it so dangerous an enemy, and so difficult to battle. It'S beachheads and opening gates could be the mind of any individual person anywhere in the world.

"War on terror". Yeah, sure.

[MH]

"War on terror". Yeah, sure.

Yeah sure...because if you just sit on your ass you will have terrorist with AQ membership card running around.

[TLAM Strike]

Yeah sure...because if you just sit on your ass you will have terrorist with AQ membership card running around.

Can't happen right? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8861608/Libya-Al-Qaeda-flag-flown-above-Benghazi-courthouse.html)

[Oberon]

Now...can anyone describe to me what is AQ wanna be?

Generally speaking (at least in the way I referenced it) it refers to a (usually) young Muslim man who is disaffected with his lot in Western society, reads one too many extremist phamplets or websites and decides that he's going to do his bit 'for Allah'. He's not actually met with proper AQ members, and the closest he's been to Tora Bora is Islamabad, but he has been inspired by other extremist acts around the world to do his own little bit 'for the cause'.

The beauty of extremism is that you don't need a monthly newsletter or a proper organised group, you just need to be able to inspire random individuals to create an act of terror, which can be anything from a shooting to a bomb to a hijacked airliner, depending upon the level of organisation. Now, generally speaking, these days the police and intel agencies are pretty hot on the case of most extremists, and the more organised and bigger a group, the more likely it is that they will be found out, so that leaves it down to individuals who own a hand grenade or a gun, to go out and make their contribution to the cause.

[Skybird]

Yeah sure...because if you just sit on your ass you will have terrorist with AQ membership card running around.
War on submarines. War on airplanes. War on tanks. War on rifles.

War on terror.

Terror is a tool. The enemy using it in this case - is an idea. And an idea cannot be simply shot.

But "war on terror" sounds cool and catches voters' attention. It sounds sexy, doesn't it.

[MH]

But "war on terror" sounds cool and catches voters' attention. It sounds sexy, doesn't it.

Its sound sexy(feel horny already) but its real.
That's way AQ and other organisation depend mostly on the web and "lone wolfs" at this time.
Due to war on terror.

[Stealhead]

"Due to war on terror."

I would agree with you on this but the issue now is that AQ is much more decentralized it now is a hydra with many heads and it is much harder to counter hundreds if not thousands of small cells and lone wolf types.They do not even need to go to a training camp now they can just agree with the ideology and find other means to gain what ever skills that they might need.You can learn how do alot of things by reading books or information on the web or viewing videos over the web.


You can read the SAS training manual(I am sure it does not cover everything the current SAS manuals have in them) but it teaches you how conduct a firefight for example if the enemy is behind a vehicle fire at his feet to hit his legs and then slice the pie around the vehicle to finish him off.I read that in a Barnes and Nobel.There are other illegal texts that teach bomb making but they are not very hard to obtain I have seen people with copies of "The Turner Diaries".Who knows the amount of such information that can be found on the web.

Another way to get excellent training is to join a military and become something like infantry or EOD or ideally SF for a few years this was something that became popular with Right Wing extremists in the US perfect lone wolf technique.

[MH]

"Due to war on terror."

I would agree with you on this but the issue now is that AQ is much more decentralized it now is a hydra with many heads and it is much harder to counter hundreds if not thousands of small cells and lone wolf types.They do not even need to go to a training camp now they can just agree with the ideology and find other means to gain what ever skills that they might need.You can learn how do alot of things by reading books or information on the web or viewing videos over the web.


You can read the SAS training manual(I am sure it does not cover everything the current SAS manuals have in them) but it teaches you how conduct a firefight for example if the enemy is behind a vehicle fire at his feet to hit his legs and then slice the pie around the vehicle to finish him off.I read that in a Barnes and Nobel.There are other illegal texts that teach bomb making but they are not very hard to obtain I have seen people with copies of "The Turner Diaries".Who knows the amount of such information that can be found on the web.

Another way to get excellent training is to join a military and become something like infantry or EOD or ideally SF for a few years this was something that became popular with Right Wing extremists in the US perfect lone wolf technique.

So what is your point?
Let them organise in professional teams to crash few airplanes for example?
Its been too quiet for too long....what terror...its all just a myth right?

The guy in this case had been to Afghanistan.
His facebook page screamed jihad.
Was a member of well known radical french cell.
But...he did nothing illegal according to French law.

[BossMark]

Have they caught the murdering SOB yet, :hmmm: and the French should bring the guillotine back for the likes of this low life

[Penguin]

I am with Skybird here; "War On Terror" is just a fancy-schmanzy catchphrase invented by Georgie W. and his gang.
To quote my favorite tv series:
"There is no war on drugs" - "Why not?" - "Because a war can actually be won"

If "War On Terror", "Patriot Act" and all this crap wouldn't be connected with a massive cutback on civil liberties and an erosion of Joe Sixpack's freedom - not only in the US, but also here - these buzzwords wouldn't leave such a foul aftertaste.

Not to be confused with the fight against terror organizations which has been going on since decades, long before the "War On Terror" existed. I don't think you'll find anyone on this board who would be against hunting the scumbag down who is still currently hiding in his besieged apartment.

[MH]

Ahh...right...Goege.W.Bush and THE WAR ON TERROR.:yawn:

[Tribesman]

Face it MH the war on terror is a joke.
3 people in a row have made that very valid point but you cannot even see it.

[MH]

Face it MH the war on terror is a joke.
3 people in a row have made that very valid point but you cannot even see it.

:hmmm:

O.K.

[Schroeder]

Have they caught the murdering SOB yet, :hmmm: and the French should bring the guillotine back for the likes of this low life
Nope, that would make him a martyr and inspire more idiots. Let him be forgotten in a tiny cell until his existence ends naturally.

[mookiemookie]

I am with Skybird here; "War On Terror" is just a fancy-schmanzy catchphrase invented by Georgie W. and his gang.
To quote my favorite tv series:
"There is no war on drugs" - "Why not?" - "Because a war can actually be won"

If "War On Terror", "Patriot Act" and all this crap wouldn't be connected with a massive cutback on civil liberties and an erosion of Joe Sixpack's freedom - not only in the US, but also here - these buzzwords wouldn't leave such a foul aftertaste.

Not to be confused with the fight against terror organizations which has been going on since decades, long before the "War On Terror" existed. I don't think you'll find anyone on this board who would be against hunting the scumbag down who is still currently hiding in his besieged apartment.

Bravo, sir. :Kaleun_Applaud:

[nikimcbee]

Nope, that would make him a martyr and inspire more idiots. Let him be forgotten in a tiny cell until his existence ends naturally.

Here's the McBee plan;

Videotape the dude accepting Jesus as his Lord and Savio(u)r and renouncing mohammad/islam and burning the koran.

Release video on the youtubez.

Send terrorist to Saudia Arabia with a link to the video.

Problem takes care of itself.

No martyrs. Just a heretic being "taken care of".

Sadly, the family won't get their kids back.

[Skybird]

Its sound sexy(feel horny already) but its real.
That's way AQ and other organisation depend mostly on the web and "lone wolfs" at this time.
Due to war on terror.

To say there is a war on terror is like saying the war against the Third Reich in fact was a war against submarinism. Tankism. Airplaneism. Terror is a weapon, like a tank or a fighter or a submarine is. You do not wage war against weapons. You wage war against the sides and factions using them.

This is why the term "war on terror" makes no sense, and never made sense.

What the war on terror is, is a war against original Islam that - due to lacking ordinary military power - uses terror and the asymmetrical warfare setting as it's weapon of choice, amongst some others.

[Jimbuna]

Still no end....can't go on very much longer because of sleep depravation or the authorities running out of patience.

I wonder if he'll go out in a blaze of glory or take his own life.

Neither I suspect...the authorities will probably run out of patience.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/17455224

[MH]

What the war on terror is, is a war against original Islam that - due to lacking ordinary military power - uses terror and the asymmetrical warfare setting as it's weapon of choice, amongst some others.


War on terror is seemingly the never ending prevention by various means...really simple in definition complex by execution.

You would need at least The Third Reich to wage war against Islam though:O:.

[BossMark]

Nope, that would make him a martyr and inspire more idiots. Let him be forgotten in a tiny cell until his existence ends naturally.
Good point, but I would just feed the piece of crap to the dogs.

[Stealhead]

So what is your point?
Let them organise in professional teams to crash few airplanes for example?
Its been too quiet for too long....what terror...its all just a myth right?

The guy in this case had been to Afghanistan.
His facebook page screamed jihad.
Was a member of well known radical french cell.
But...he did nothing illegal according to French law.


What is your point? I merely saying that AQ has become highly de-centralized and this makes them in many respects harder to deal with.True this person did go to the Tribal regions of Pakistan but that does not mean that they all will.Now they can simply be inspired by the AQ line of thinking and act on thier own without higher instruction and via common sources such as the internet and other means they can train themselves.

How do you come up with the idea that I think terror is a myth when am describing their new way of operating and committing terrorist acts.
You grossly misread my previous post it should appear.

[Oberon]

What was that saying...

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Security and vigilence is one thing, but when it erodes the essential rights of the public, when it breaks down the freedom and liberty that our forefathers fought to secure...well, then we have lost and they have won.

Back to the subject at hand, the siege continues, three explosions were heard earlier, probably stun grenades lobbed by the police to startle the guy and keep him on edge. I think basically they're going to try and wait him out rather than charge in. Which is the right move, I think, unless he's stocked up well on food and water and stimulants then he's not going to last much more than another ten hours at most before fatigue hits him hard.

[MH]

What was that saying...

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."


What was the saying...i don't know...just some other witty quote probably.

On philosophical level i agree with you though.

[Oberon]

I do understand where you're coming from. AQ is far from a de-toothed tiger, and it's through vigilence, not a lack of trying, that we've avoided major terrorist attacks.

The problem comes in combatting ideology. Just how do you do that?

And how far do you go to achieve the goal?

How far is too far?

It's all very hazy, and I think that some people have taken advantage of that to move the goalposts a little, and that is worrying. It's all done with the best of intentions I'm sure...but the road to hell is paved with them.

[Penguin]

looks like the guy kicked the bucket: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17473207

3 policemen wounded, one critical :shifty: - hope he won't become his last victim

I wonder if the guy had protection against flashbang/gas that he was still able to do this, guess we'll find out more about the assault in the next hours.

[Jimbuna]

Reading the link of how it ended reminded me of the film Leon:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/

[Skybird]

Reading the link of how it ended reminded me of the film Leon:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/
Great movie that is, and some great acting. And who would have imagined what a cutie that little angry girly-beast would turn into, some years later! :)

[Oberon]

EVERYONE!

:03:

Great film.

[Herr-Berbunch]

. . . some years later! :)

Nice covering your arse there. :03:

[Skybird]

German language: an essay by Gunnar Heihnsohn (http://www.achgut.com/dadgdx/index.php/dadgd/print/0025684)on the problem of socieites encouraging single women to get chikldren to gain an income by the state for a living, the costs of this questionable practive for the community, and how this helps to increase the number of angry single young men like this terrorist was one of them.

[Skybird]

Nice covering your arse there. :03:
Hm? In the Star Wars movies, she was cute to the max, wasn't she?!

[Tribesman]

on the problem of socieites encouraging single women to get chikldren to gain an income
Thats interesting, where is this society that encourages single women to get pregnant?
Not stigmatising and punishing pregnacy out of wedlock isn't the same as encouraging is it. then again how comes there are all these young men in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan who go crazy jihadi...is that because their societies have social welfare payments for single mothers?

[Skybird]

The father of the terrorist sues French police over his death.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17544154

Well, these days everything is possible.

"Anything goes!"
http://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c3f15c3a9ead/Indiana-Jones-And-The-Temple-Of-Doom-1984/Anything-Goes---lyrics.jpg

[Jimbuna]

"If I were the father of such a monster, I would shut my mouth in shame," French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said on Tuesday.


Rgr that :yep:

[Aramike]

The father of the terrorist sues French police over his death.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17544154

Well, these days everything is possible.

"Anything goes!"
http://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/4c3f15c3a9ead/Indiana-Jones-And-The-Temple-Of-Doom-1984/Anything-Goes---lyrics.jpgAh, yes, the consequence-free world of thought.

On the one hand, if an innocent were killed in such a manner you want a citizen to have such a recourse. On the other, providing such a recourse allowed any idiot citizen a conveinient excuse to use it for their own personal gains and ambitions.

So which was does the modern world lean? Absolute rule of law and the inevitable anarchy of unchecked freedom or a totalitarian approach and its inevitable repression.

Oh, wait, I have an idea - how about a sub-justice system, tasked with identifying frivolous legal action AND with the ability to prosecute those who bring such cases.

[TLAM Strike]

The father of the terrorist sues French police over his death.

Why not his brother approved of what he had done. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119415/Mohammed-Merah-Brother-Abdelkader-proud-seven-people-dead.html)

[Skybird]

Maybe indicate by changing colour or adding Bold that your line is a hyperlink, TLAM, else by simply reading over it one could easily miss it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119415/Mohammed-Merah-Brother-Abdelkader-proud-seven-people-dead.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119415/Mohammed-Merah-Brother-Abdelkader-proud-seven-people-dead.html)

[Skybird]

False notion of 'Muslim victimhood' raises its head in wake of Toulouse murders. (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4209746,00.html)