View Full Version : Man says that he cant make ends meet earning $350,000 a year.
Stealhead
03-01-12, 02:29 AM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bonus-withdrawal-puts-bankers-malaise-050100338.html
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Are we supposed to feel sorry for this chump?
People like that just make me sick!!:nope:
Herr-Berbunch
03-01-12, 03:11 AM
There are a few choice words I'd like to use...!
:nope:
He is Greek, obviously eh!
No ?
:nope:
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BossMark
03-01-12, 06:04 AM
There are a few choice words I'd like to use...!
:nope:
Starting with F and ending in F by any chance :D
kraznyi_oktjabr
03-01-12, 06:41 AM
$350,000 per year? I estimated that would I still have my job it would take about 25 years from me to earn that amount of money. :nope:
GoldenRivet
03-01-12, 06:58 AM
Who in the hell does this guy think he is?
u crank
03-01-12, 07:41 AM
Come on guys, this chump is obviously having a tough time. Maybe we could take up a little collection for him. If we each chipped in say ten grand we could get him through this rough spell. Hate to see his kids have to leave private school. :har:
Herr-Berbunch
03-01-12, 07:55 AM
$350,000 per year? I estimated that would I still have my job it would take about 25 years from me to earn that amount of money. :nope:
Only 20 years for me, and in that time he'll have earnt only $7m :doh:
Schiff, the New York-based marketing director for Euro Pacific Capital, where his brother is CEO.
Surely time to pull in a favour. :hmmm:
Those school fees - $32,000 is only for one child.
These guys need to get some serious perspective on life.
And BossMark - maybe a couple of the choice words began and ended with F, but there's a whole range of other letters swiftly following too.
joegrundman
03-01-12, 09:19 AM
he wants to live beyond his means. a common problem, but only really deserving of sympathy when the means don't extend to the basics needed for life itself
mookiemookie
03-01-12, 09:20 AM
What a puke-inducing individual. Screw him. (and I would use a much stronger word if it were possible.)
Sailor Steve
03-01-12, 10:54 AM
He spends more on his dogs than I make in a year. Poor baby!
:rotfl2:
Herr-Berbunch
03-01-12, 11:22 AM
I'm sure we can chip in to get someone to walk you for $17 if that's your beef. :D
Blood_splat
03-01-12, 12:04 PM
Please tell me this is from the Onion right?
Ducimus
03-01-12, 12:36 PM
Sounds like this banker fell into the same trap alot of idiots do.
With a larger income, they end up buying larger "toys". Now if the guy maintained a modest living and not let his income go to his head, I may have some sympathy, but i'm willing to bet this guy is anything but modest in his lifestyle.
That's very piggish but still i wonder if anyone around this fourms would object to making all this money if having the right skills.:hmmm:
mookiemookie
03-01-12, 01:10 PM
That's very piggish but still i wonder if anyone around this fourms would object to making all this money if having the right skills.:hmmm:
I don't begrudge him his salary. I object to his attitude. Don't confuse the two.
"Could you imagine what it's like to say I got three kids in private school, I have to think about pulling them out? How do you do that?"
He speaks as if private school is a necessity.
Scheiner said he spends about $500 a month to park one of his two Audis in a garage and at least $7,500 a year each for memberships at the Trump National Golf Club in Westchester and a gun club in upstate New York.
If he lives in the city, I can understand the parking. But gun and golf club memberships? He's kvetching about not having a dishwasher and struggling to keep his kids in the private school of his choice, but yet he still won't give up those clearly luxury expenses?
Still, he sold two motorcycles he didn't use and called his Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet "the Volkswagen of supercars."
So we're up to three cars now. And a "supercar"? I'm supposed to feel bad for someone who doesn't see ownership of a supercar as a luxury? Piss on him. I have no sympathy for someone who can't live within their means, regardless if their means are $50,000 a year or $5 million.
You know, when you take out the expense resulting from my tuition and school materials, I live on approximately the same budget yearly as one of this guy's dogs... :doh:
Sadder still, I probably have more education than any of these guys :nope:
Stealhead
03-01-12, 02:08 PM
I can honestly never really feel bad for a person that lives outside their means it dose not matter if they make over a million a year if you are living like that with no fore thought to possible money issues in the future you just failed to plan ahead.This guy was obviously trying to keep up appearances with "peers" that where earning a lot more money.
He could cut his spending down and still be able to live very well.
Sailor Steve
03-01-12, 02:59 PM
I'm sure we can chip in to get someone to walk you for $17 if that's your beef. :D
I'll walk myself for $17 per hour, but only if you throw in the beef for free. :O:
em2nought
03-01-12, 04:15 PM
"People who don't have money don't understand the stress," LMAO :D
You know, when you take out the expense resulting from my tuition and school materials, I live on approximately the same budget yearly as one of this guy's dogs... :doh:
Sadder still, I probably have more education than any of these guys :nope:
"Some have more luck than brains" :haha:
Somebody, quick! Find Frau Kaleun's tiny violin gif!... :DL
You hear all the time about the 1% vs the 99%; this is a prime example of why we, as a nation, are in the mess we now find ourselves. This is the attitude of the vast majority of the 1% that "makes the rules" for the other 99%. Consider this: 1% of the $350,000 he bitches about is $3,500, which would make for a decent enough monthly salary for most families or $42,000/yr (btw, this is $8,000 below the 'median' U.S. family income of $50,000/yr). His 'unlivable' $350,000/yr is 7 times the U.S. median family income; on his 'paltry' amount, 7 median families can live for 1 year or 1 median family can live for 7 years...
Also, I would be interested in knowing his full federal tax burden; what loopholes. exemptions, deferrals, etc. is he eligible for since he is in a high income bracket. Is he paying the approximately 38% of Joe Median of is he a Romney-esque 14.5%? Inquiring minds want to know...
Tribesman
03-01-12, 04:47 PM
He sounds so like my youngest brother, what a prat.
mookiemookie
03-01-12, 04:50 PM
Also, I would be interested in knowing his full federal tax burden; what loopholes. exemptions, deferrals, etc. is he eligible for since he is in a high income bracket. Is he paying the approximately 38% of Joe Median of is he a Romney-esque 14.5%? Inquiring minds want to know...
If he's truly taking home $200,000 out of a $350,000 salary, he's got some horrible tax planning going on. He should fire his accountant.
If he's truly taking home $200,000 out of a $350,000 salary, he's got some horrible tax planning going on. He should fire his accountant.
At an effective rate of about 43%, yes. he should; however, given his overall attitude, I have doubt about his claim of a $200,000 take home. To me it smacks of the John Fogerty song, "Fortunate Son":
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh.
But when the taxman comes to the door,
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes
...
Platapus
03-01-12, 05:09 PM
"People who don't have money don't understand the stress," said Alan Dlugash, a partner at accounting firm Marks Paneth & Shron LLP in New York who specializes in financial planning for the wealthy. "Could you imagine what it's like to say I got three kids in private school, I have to think about pulling them out? How do you do that?"
WTF?
We have people in this country who don't know how they are going to feed their children next week and this guy has the balls to say that people who don't have money don't understand the stress?
How about moving your kids to a less trendy and expensive private school? Naturally, it can't be expected to expose your children to the riff-raff of ordinary people. That's simply not done. But I am sure you can find a less expensive but equally snobby school that you can afford.
Here is a suggestion: If you earn $350.000 keep your big mouth shut and enjoy life. You are luckier than most people in this country.
And people like this vote. :nope:
If he's truly taking home $200,000 out of a $350,000 salary, he's got some horrible tax planning going on. He should fire his accountant.
The article says that's after taxes, 401k contributions, and insurance for a family of 5. He should be paying an effective income tax rate closer to 27%, right? NY income tax is just under 7% for everything over 20k. That's 34% right there. Add in a little over 2% for FICA. 36% taxes, not counting property taxes in NYC, which are no doubt non-trivial.
Insurance? 10k? (2.85%). We're at 38% or so. 401k is over 15k now, right? That's another 4%. We're at 42% just spitballing. The 43% figure is not unreasonable.
I think the idiot is living way beyond his means, mind you, but 200k is chump change in NYC. We watch that "selling ny" show, and what we've learned aside from the fact we can't stand anyone on the program (agents or customers), is that we'd not be able to find a place we'd consider decent for under maybe 2-3 million. And that would be for a huge cut in space compared to Nuevo Mexico :) . I think the issue (aside from this guy's stupidity) is that they count on his "bonus" income instead of him getting paid a salary that actually shows what he is worth. As a result, an unexpected cut nukes them. They are living a lifestyle based on 350k PLUS some substantial amount, maybe even a multiple of 350k. Didn't see what this guy's usual bonus was.
A guy on another forum is a cabinet maker in nyc and will likely be hurt because of this. Guy's blowing their "bonus" are a large source of his income.
Just a bloated fat pig.
Try living on what I get you piece of distended rectum.
soopaman2
03-02-12, 02:18 PM
And people wonder why the paycheck to paycheck living, working poor want to string up douchebags like this.
He should blame to poor for his woes like the rest of them do.
Can I guess his political affiliation?:hmmm::know:
krashkart
03-02-12, 03:00 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bonus-withdrawal-puts-bankers-malaise-050100338.html
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Are we supposed to feel sorry for this chump?
No, I don't. With that kind of money he should have done a better job protecting it. Now he gets to live like a poor person. That'll learn 'im. :O:
Why should I even care about this, anyway? People go under all the time and make it through. You'd think it was the end of the world that someone with money is having problems. :shifty:
I'm coming by with ~6000 euros a year atm being unemployed, so what's his excuse? :roll:
krashkart
03-02-12, 03:32 PM
Come on guys, this chump is obviously having a tough time. Maybe we could take up a little collection for him. If we each chipped in say ten grand we could get him through this rough spell. Hate to see his kids have to leave private school. :har:
I have a few spare ketchup packages I can donate towards this cause. Tomato soup, anyone? :DL
Platapus
03-02-12, 03:54 PM
I have a few spare ketchup packages I can donate towards this cause. Tomato soup, anyone? :DL
Ketchup is a vegetable... At least that's what we were told back in the 80's
krashkart
03-02-12, 04:10 PM
Ketchup is a vegetable... At least that's what we were told back in the 80's
That's what I was always told, but every time I put ketchup in a wheelchair...
*ba dum... * _SQUELCH_
[from the back of the room] "Get off the stage!!!"
Lord have mercy on my wicked soul... I just couldn't help it this time :nope:
And people wonder why the paycheck to paycheck living, working poor want to string up douchebags like this.
He should blame to poor for his woes like the rest of them do.
Can I guess his political affiliation?:hmmm::know:
One, "string him up?" I can think the guy is dumb for doing the interview, or even for living beyond his means, but anyone who wants to lynch him has serious issues. That said, like others facing cuts in hours, or even a cut in paycheck, he has already committed to a particular lifestyle, at least in terms of school tuitions, and mortgage, so if he was expecting a few hundred grand in bonus, and got, say 100k, then he could easily be in trouble. His tiny apartment has to be a couple mil mortgage, right? That's 10-12 grand a month or so. More than 50% his take home. 60-70k is 5k a month for all other expenses for a family of 5 in NYC. Certainly not impossible, but there just barely covers the school tuitions (no idea what the public schools are like in his neighborhood. Here in ABQ, we considered private school "not optional." YMMV.)
So it's just another recession story, but for someone already in a higher bracket. If the reduction was unexpected, he has real problems. Does he live outside his means? Obviously. He's a tool for that. Did he expect, say 2X his current income or more, then have the rug pulled out? Maybe. He's still stuck with a huge mortgage, even if the kids end up at PS-whatever, and he sells unneeded cars, etc.
Two, I don't see him blaming anyone at first glance.
Three, as for party... he lives in NYC. Picking his party at random means there is a 90-something % chance he is a democrat. Just checked political contributions, and the only guy with the same name in NYC only gave to Dems.
Jimbuna
03-03-12, 08:25 AM
Why don't we have whip round for him.....I'll throw in ten lashes.
BossMark
03-03-12, 10:19 AM
Aye that's what sad git wants a dam good thrashing :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78b67l_yxUc
Again, as I said above, the guy sounds like a tool, and I imagine him like the customers on "Selling New York"---that is, someone I'd not like to spend any time with. Still, I find it funny that people get so worked up about him. He pays a lot in taxes, and his "excess" expenses like hiring a dog walker actually employ people. 7k a year for a dog walker? If the dog walker has 10 annoying investment banker customers, he makes 70 grand a year (how much dog walker income do you think is reported and taxed?). That's amazing when you think of it. So if Schiff cuts the dog walker, that's a significant hit on that guy's income, more so if the walker has multiple similar customers.
So, if the story was an interview with a dog walker who made around 70 grand walking dogs last year (and many previous ones), but had his bankers dump him to the tune of 30k, say, and he complained he was having trouble paying for his studio apartment (assume he tried for the American Dream and bought said little apartment (in Brooklyn, dunno if he could afford one in the city on 70k), so he has a mortgage, not just a landlord) would people have the same reaction? The reason would be exactly the same, lower bonuses for Wall St. guys. Would he be pilloried for having been such a tool as to have bankers for customers? He got what he deserved, right? Or should the 4 bankers have kept him on, and cut some other expense, and he's a hapless victim?
CaptainHaplo
03-03-12, 01:18 PM
Agreed Tater....
This point is that someone lived outside his means. Many people do.
The problem is many here can't sympathize - becasue "their" means and "his" means - and thus the standard of living - is so much different.
Lynch the guy or otherwise punish him because he made a lot more than most others? Really?
Grow up, people.
Schöneboom
03-03-12, 02:21 PM
Does anyone else get the feeling the article was published just to make people angry? That was the overwhelming public response, entirely predictable. This isn't an isolated case, either: recently Yahoo ran a story about a banker who left an insulting 1% tip for a waitress (with "Get a real job!" written on the credit slip) which later proved to be a hoax. "Why now?" I wonder.
At least some of us know that all classes are sailing on the same ship. Alas, when the SHTF, the folks in steerage will be underwater first. Then there's the little problem with the lifeboats. Ah, well...
The other point is that this guy's means are basically chump change in NYC.
My wife knows docs that work in NYC. The hospital has subsidized housing for them. No kidding. They make ~300k, too.
krashkart
03-03-12, 04:21 PM
Between tater, Hap and Schoneboom I'm having a change of heart. I was quick to jump the gun. Happens sometimes. Makes a better man of me when I come to a better conclusion. :-?
Aye that's what sad git wants a dam good thrashing :D
No point, he probably enjoys S&M.
Best thing is to burn his money right in front of him.
No point, he probably enjoys S&M.
Best thing is to burn his money right in front of him.
I assume the stagehands working in NYC making 350k a year similarly need their cash burned? It's way cheaper here in NM, and there are cops and firefighters that make a couple hundred grand a year. Burn their money, too?
Just curious at what point you should have your money burned. 350k and you have it burned, 349k and you're OK?
Or is it just commenting publicly that it's hard to deal with losing a significant % of income? So if, say, union employees like teachers complain on TV that they only got a 4% raise instead of the 10% they were asking for, when the community they work in is facing large numbers of people actually losing their jobs or having pay CUTS, should they have their money burned in front of them for being asshats?
Just curious.
tater
I got no time for dipsticks like this greedy git in the article who have everything and still they want more.
I have no issue with fire fighters or police.
:)
tater
I got no time for dipsticks like this greedy git in the article who have everything and still they want more.
I have no issue with fire fighters or police.
:)
His income is not insanely high. As I said, corrected for cost of living, it's not outside the bounds for cops with loads of overtime here in ABQ. If a cop was interviewed saying it was hard to make do with reduced overtime due to lower tax revenues in ABQ, why would you not hate him just the same as this guy?
What about teachers. You could find many dozens of stories about teachers in cities all over the US complaining that they are only getting a X% pay RAISE while the people around them in this economy are losing their entire livelihood. Do you hate them, too? If not, why not?
Again, I'm just not understanding why some people are so worked up about him. His lifestyle in NY is actually pretty middle class. The fancy car is a clear luxury in NYC, but who knows if he bought it new for 90 grand, or used for half that (in the latter case it's not excessive at all)?
Why the animus?
mookiemookie
03-04-12, 02:04 PM
His lifestyle in NY is actually pretty middle class.
No, it absolutely is not. That statement is a joke. I have good friends in NYC and none of them have two Audis and a Porsche.
He's living a luxury lifestyle he can't afford, and he's whining about having to cut back on luxury items...his perspective is completely FUBAR'd and he's coming off like a spoiled brat. That's the bottom line.
No, it absolutely is not. That statement is a joke. I have good friends in NYC and none of them have two Audis and a Porsche.
He's living a luxury lifestyle he can't afford, and he's whining about having to cut back on luxury items...his perspective is completely FUBAR'd and he's coming off like a spoiled brat. That's the bottom line.
I have loads of friends in NYC. Agreed, none have 3 cars. So what? 350k is middle class in NYC (upper middle class), and it is pretty common for people that have humble apartments to also have a vacation house, or at least rent one. My friends in Chelsea are 2 income (both guys), one a IT guy for a large hospital, the other a lawyer. They live in a studio they own (~800 ft^2, about the size of the hotel suite we get in NYC when we visit them). Their building fees alone are like $1500/mo. The two have a combined income of 200-something. High 200s I bet. They own a small house on long island (fire island?). They have what I would call a middle class life, but if they had 3 kids? They'd be lower middle class at best (they'd not have the cottage, either). Note, my middle class includes THREE KIDS. 2 gay guys on 350k is totally different from 5 people on the same income.
Again, I said I didn't like the guy at the start. Still don't. I don't think he's the biggest jerk on earth though, and I don't understand the abject hatred. I don't think he deserves a whipping, etc. He pays more than his fair share of taxes. Looks like he pays more than twice his share (per capita budget times family members). The cars? Again, he doesn't need 3, but kids in the ghetto don't need expensive sneakers, either. People in 2012 "live large" compared to our parents, regardless of income level. A roof, heat, water, and food are it for necessities, right? His contributions to democrats are also luxuries, right?
Again, why is he a spoiled jerk, and teachers complaining bitterly about a lower RAISE in an environment with huge unemployment NOT jerks?
Given the subject guy is in fact a democrat, maybe he's "taking one for the team" to keep the 1% meme alive? Dunno. I'm not defending him, per se, but the idea that anyone making 350k who has an unexpected loss of income somehow has no problems. I said I don't think they live within their means in my first post. They need to dump 1 car, anyway, possibly 2. Vacation home rental? Furnished probably around 4 grand a month would be my guess. Expensive, but cheaper for a month than a single week on a "real" vacation, and dad can still work and commute (train down to Norwalk, then transfer to GCS). The alternative in NYC is likely summer programs to occupy the kids. The cost for 3 kids per month for that would completely be offset by a rental (it's over a grand per month for good summer kid programs here in ABQ, gotta be more in NYC).
I frankly don't see how he can afford the stated luxuries even with his 60k bonus he usually got. If the cars are new that's 3-4 grand a month right there. There's not 50k slop in his stated budget. The 32k for private school for one kid... again, dunno his public schools. He should move to CT and solve all his problems (he could get a house at least twice the size of their apartment for 5-600k in a town with good schools).
Interesting calculator.
http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html
350k here in ABQ would require 809k in NYC for the same lifestyle.
350k in NYC is like 149k in Topeka (similar at 151 for Albuquerque (only has rio rathole to compare, which is a suburb)).
150k is without question middle class in ABQ. Housing varies a lot here, so you can have a middle class lifestyle for well below 150k here, but you have to earn well above 150k to be in the really "high end" parts of town. You'll have a nice house on 150k in ABQ, but your neighbors might make half that, or twice that, literally next door.
CaptainHaplo
03-04-12, 05:54 PM
He's living a luxury lifestyle he can't afford, and he's whining about having to cut back on luxury items...his perspective is completely FUBAR'd and he's coming off like a spoiled brat. That's the bottom line.
Ok - so spoiled brat = take him out and beat him, take his money away from him and burn it, or just "hang him"? I have 2 kids, sometimes they act like spoiled brats, should I drown them because of it? Should I take everything they have and make them suffer? Really? I think not!
Yes - he has lived beyond his reasonable means and now has to pay the price. OK - we all agree there. But what right does him complaining about what, in essence, is his own stupidity, gives others the right to claim he should have more taken away from him?
As Tater pointed out - where do you draw the line? Teacher, cops and firefighters don't get the raise they want, and that is national news - while the factory down the road from the school, police station and firehouse gets shut down and not one word about it. Does that not make the complainers "spoiled brats?"
Government workers on average make significantly more than workers doing the same type of job in the private sector. They get asked to contribute to their own retirement, or made to pay a deductable or premium for their health plan (which private sector workers have to do already), and you have mobs in the various state capital buildings... Dont even mention tying their wages to the private sector! But somehow they are not "spoiled brats"? Or are they - and if they are - shouldn't we take their money and burn it in the streets, or beat them, or just hang them too?
Can't have it both ways.....
mookiemookie
03-04-12, 05:58 PM
Ok - so spoiled brat = take him out and beat him, take his money away from him and burn it, or just "hang him"? I have 2 kids, sometimes they act like spoiled brats, should I drown them because of it? Should I take everything they have and make them suffer? Really? I think not!
Yes - he has lived beyond his reasonable means and now has to pay the price. OK - we all agree there. But what right does him complaining about what, in essence, is his own stupidity, gives others the right to claim he should have more taken away from him?
http://www.titaniumteddybear.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/strawman-headshot.jpg
CaptainHaplo
03-04-12, 06:06 PM
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How is it a strawman Mookie?
Lets take his money and burn it:
Best thing is to burn his money right in front of him.
Then we can beat him:
Why don't we have whip round for him.....I'll throw in ten lashes.
And finally we can kill him by hanging!
And people wonder why the paycheck to paycheck living, working poor want to string up douchebags like this.
All "solutions" proposed by members of this board because this guy is - as you called him - a "spoiled brat".
Sorry - no strawman here. I notice you can't answer the comparison between his being a brat - and governmental type workers who do the same thing... Why is that?
gimpy117
03-04-12, 06:08 PM
really...is that article some kind of a joke? is Rand still alive and a reporter for yahoo? I really, really REALLY hope it's subtle sarcasm...
he makes $350,000 a year, by anybody other than the UBER rich's standards hes LOADED. I mean "couldn't fly to New Orleans for a wet tee shirt contest"? Boo F-ing hoo...some people have to choose between eating or staying warm, and this man sobs cuz he can't go on some luxury horndog south tour? If this was an article about some poor family who bought a cruise or a vacation and couldn't pay for it people would be calling them stupid, or say things like "well everybody has to make cuts". But were supposed to take the oppositte stand when some rich jerk can't spend more than many people's yearly incomes on his dogs? Where was their brain? 21 year old linda in the mail room had to take a pay cut to ohh lets say 20,000 a year instead of 25, or the guy who works in janitorial had to do the same...and they honestly they can just plan on being scott free? NOPE. Stupid rich people who whine when they need to cut back on their play money.
The rich are so disconnected with the plight of the poor or middle class that they almost sound like a badly written joke
mookiemookie
03-04-12, 06:11 PM
How is it a strawman Mookie?
Lets take his money and burn it:
Then we can beat him:
And finally we can kill him by hanging!
All "solutions" proposed by members of this board because this guy is - as you called him - a "spoiled brat".
Sorry - no strawman here. I notice you can't answer the comparison between his being a brat - and governmental type workers who do the same thing... Why is that?
Why are you assigning other people's arguments to me?
gimpy117
03-04-12, 06:39 PM
Why are you assigning other people's arguments to me?
no mookie! don't you know nobody ever strawmans on here...
He's not "rich."
350k in Manhattan is not rich, period. It's certainly not POOR, but it isn't rich. It's functionally the same as making about 150k in a mid sized city out in the flyover states where life is cheap. 150k in such a place is upper middle class, and in fact well within the reach of normal folks with 2 incomes. There are numerous kids in the private school my kids attend who have cops and firefighters for parents (and a bunch who have teachers in the public schools for parents (which should tell you something about the public schools here)).
The guys is (as I said) every bit the jerk. So are all the teachers in NJ... remember the sh*tstorm when Christy wanted to delay their raise because the average employee in the private sector in NJ had lost income, not gained it? He was pilloried.
The rich are so disconnected with the plight of the poor or middle class that they almost sound like a badly written joke
That's the whole point.
Rich people have their own problems and its difficult for them to live just like any other average person after being on the top of food chain.
As long as they make their money legally and lose the money legally its their own business...i think.
Ok he shared...
He is a whiner just like some middle class or poor whiners but has different things to whine about.
That's capitalism right?
He makes lots of money and spends a lot...the more the better,making others happy.
CaptainHaplo
03-04-12, 07:40 PM
Why are you assigning other people's arguments to me?
I didn't - in fact I noted that they were ideas put forth by multiple people and even sourced them. I was pointing out that your statement of he is a spoiled bra and thats the bottom line did nothing to castigate the idea that because of it, he should be "punished". Sure he is spoiled, sure he is assinine. We agree.
Seeing the call for theft, physical violence and murder against someone and not calling it out - but instead continuing to call the target names - even truthful ones - does nothing but promote attacks against others.
There was a holocaust that started that way - and I will stand against the same thing happening. Things like that start innocently - based on pure emotion - but either you stand against it, or you sit idly by while it happens. I will not do the latter.
Tater and I both asked you about how one situation is different than the other. You have demonstrated your views often enough for me to say you "lean" left - so you were challenged to not only seperate yourself from the calls for violence (like some in Occupy called for) but also to see if your convictions on what is "spoiled" or not is consistently applied.
So far - you have refused to answer either challenge.
gimpy117
03-04-12, 08:22 PM
That's the whole point.
Rich people have their own problems and its difficult for them to live just like any other average person after being on the top of food chain.
As long as they make their money legally and lose the money legally its their own business...i think.
Ok he shared...
He is a whiner just like some middle class or poor whiners but has different things to whine about.
That's capitalism right?
He makes lots of money and spends a lot...the more the better,making others happy.
ehh...i think the difference here is that many people have the choice between heating or eating, and these people complain when they can't spend 20,000 on a dog anymore per year. It's a little far fetched to say he's "just like the middle class whiners" because they are people making it work on 1/3 of what he makes or less (combined) and are having to pay for average things like college loans, Car payments, House payments and some are barely scraping by in some instances. And I am not even talking about the people that make Far, Far less. my mother made a power of 10 less than what he made once, She luckily makes $40,000 now....but for a good long time me and my brother were pretty much paying our way as much as we could from jobs after school, but still we had the choice of either eating or keeping the heat at 60 degrees all day. I can't really see how he has any right to complain when his problems come down to basically him having to cut out all the extra cushy fun he has in his life boo hoo he can't keep his condo or build an addition to his house, or his drop top porche is "the minivan of sports cars" (my thoughts drift back to the crappy Chrysler minivan we had because we could only afford that).
But hey, Let them eat cake right?
mookiemookie
03-04-12, 11:47 PM
So far - you have refused to answer either challenge.
Because frankly, they're stupid and not deserving of a response. You're bringing the freaking holocaust into this? Good god, man, get some perspective. That's absolutely insane. I've seen you post some really out there stuff, but this one's a doozy.
I'm done talking to you on this. The guy's a whiny and entitled jackass. End of story. And end of my participation in this thread. I've said my piece.
CaptainHaplo
03-05-12, 12:07 AM
I see.... so while you can castigate this guy, you can't apply the same standards to others because they are more "acceptable" in their employment.
So people get a pass for supporting theft, assault and murder as long as you agree with their target.
So I guess its ok to target someone based on the money they make only because of how they make it. Yea, thats a far cry from targetting someone because of their ancestry or race.... :damn:
How is the question regarding governmental workers compared to private employees "stupid"?
Oh wait - you don't want a discussion - you want to take your ball and go home on this topic. Oh well.
Tribesman
03-05-12, 03:19 AM
So I guess its ok to target someone based on the money they make only because of how they make it. Yea, thats a far cry from targetting someone because of their ancestry or race....
It is a very far cry indeed, the difference is so enormous it really is a gaping chasm of such magnitude that even the best yet most optimistic structural engineer would concede that the gap simply cannot be bridged.
For a narrower gap can I expect you to now call out people on the next occasion there is the frequently repeated calls for targetting people because of their race or ancestry?
HunterICX
03-05-12, 06:43 AM
He's not "rich."
but he sure acts like it, that's his whole problem.
350k may not be rich, but it is a lot.
That he whines he's running short because his spendings has gone out of hand well it's only himself to blame and for him to fix on his own by doing something regarding his spending.
Can't really feel sorry for the bloke and he does deserve a slap in the face to bring him back to reality.
HunterICX
mookiemookie
03-05-12, 07:36 AM
I see.... so while you can castigate this guy, you can't apply the same standards to others because they are more "acceptable" in their employment. There's no comparison. If you can't see the difference between people complaining because they're forced to drop things like healthcare coverage for their family with this retard who thinks driving a Porsche 911 is some form of sacrifice, then you're so far away from seeing the point that it's beyond my rhetorical ability to get you to do so.
So people get a pass for supporting theft, assault and murder as long as you agree with their target. And again you insult me by assigning me other people's opinions. I never said any of that, I don't think the guy should be killed burned, flayed or what have you, and nor did I ever imply it. And I don't think any of the other posters do. If you can't tell the difference between hyperbole and reality it's due to pure ignorance, willful or otherwise, and it's a pointless waste of time to engage you on the topic. Grow up. Faux outrage is stupid.
So I guess its ok to target someone based on the money they make only because of how they make it. Yea, thats a far cry from targetting someone because of their ancestry or race.... :damn: The fact that you still believe that people are knocking him for how much money he makes shows how far the point has flown over your head. You're so far in the dark on this that it's going to take a rescue effort with bloodhounds and helicopters to bring you into understanding. I have no time or inclination to break this down any simpler to get through to someone who wants to bring the holocaust into a discussion about how a spoiled rich man is crying he can't afford the three luxury cars he has. The holocaust. I still can't believe that one. Wow. That's rich.
How is the question regarding governmental workers compared to private employees "stupid"? One is about folks like police and fire struggling to provide necessities of life to their families, the other is a scumbag who's clawing to maintain a luxury lifestyle he could never afford. The fact that you'd think that the two are remotely equivalent enough to bring it up just shows how ludicrous this discussion has become.
Oh wait - you don't want a discussion - you want to take your ball and go home on this topic. Oh well. I only have discussions with people who can discuss like a rational adult and have an inkling of understanding of the discussion at hand. You apparently fail both tests.
But hey, Let them eat cake right?
I'm just a working guy as well...with social capitalist views.:haha:
I believe that socialised health care and subsidised education is a must for every country and good investment in its people and future.
Everyone should have an equal start opportunity...lets say its a patriotic issue for me...clownish i know.. :haha:
Other than that, how much money people make or how they spend it is not my business as long as they pay their taxes and other obligation-the issue of taxes, loop holes and other obligations can be debated though.
As long the people on Wall Street work with in a law it's ok with me.If any thing they do damages economy it should be changed from within the legislation.
It's hard to blame them for taking and using the opportunities.
If i knew how to get myself a nice piece of cake i would go for it but i don't have the "how to"...
gimpy117
03-05-12, 12:00 PM
I'm just a working guy as well...with social capitalist views.:haha:
I believe that socialised health care and subsidised education is a must for every country and good investment in its people and future.
Everyone should have an equal start opportunity...lets say its a patriotic issue for me...clownish i know.. :haha:
Other than that, how much money people make or how they spend it is not my business as long as they pay their taxes and other obligation-the issue of taxes, loop holes and other obligations can be debated though.
As long the people on Wall Street work with in a law it's ok with me.If any thing they do damages economy it should be changed from within the legislation.
It's hard to blame them for taking and using the opportunities.
If i knew how to get myself a nice piece of cake i would go for it but i don't have the "how to"...
Well yes, I'm sure he's paying his taxes etc. But, that's not the point here. We (or at least I) are/am commenting on the arrogance and disconnectedness of complaining about only driving a Porsche and not being able to add onto your expensive condo. Many Americans live in squalor, and his comments put off many who are mindful of this, especially in these hard times.
Stealhead
03-05-12, 01:57 PM
The part of Taters claim that I find a little hard to believe is his claim that some police and emergency service workers or teachers I assume you feel this way because the kids are in private school?They might make a lot less money than you realize.A cop that is a sergeant or commander might make a bit over 100k if he has a good union and gets a lot of overtime.My aunt has her daughter in private schools and she earns about 65K I think the tuition is 8,000 a year.
My cousin makes a fairly good amount per on average about 400K per year he has 3 children and lives in a fairly upscale part of Ft.Lauderdale he in reality has more money than some of his neighbors I am pretty sure because he and his wife live quite frugally they have some nice things but nothing over the top they drive "regular" cars not luxury ones.
My friends father in law is an airport manager he makes about 700k a year again he and his wife life frugally with in reason they do some things that there income allows but they don't go into excess.
I agree that some on here are going a bit over the top on hating the guy but you must admit that this guy could cut back on a few things and hed be just fine and still living nicely.The manin the article clearly was living close to the edge even in good economic times he should have been wise and cut back on some things.
CaptainHaplo
03-05-12, 08:57 PM
There's no comparison. If you can't see the difference between people complaining because they're forced to drop things like healthcare coverage for their family with this retard who thinks driving a Porsche 911 is some form of sacrifice, then you're so far away from seeing the point that it's beyond my rhetorical ability to get you to do so.
I see the difference. We agree he is spoiled.
And again you insult me by assigning me other people's opinions. I never said any of that,
I never said you said these things - I simply pointed out what the "leftists" on this board were saying and you never spoke out against it.... that is where the "holocaust" comment came in. I also didn't insult you....
I don't think the guy should be killed burned, flayed or what have you, and nor did I ever imply it.
Your right - you didn't. But because you are one of the few liberal voices on here that I have respect for, I was seriously hoping that you would step up and call out such comments. I even pointed them out - and you did nothing but continue to insult the target of the "hate" - never once stating that such vitriol being spewed at him was uncalled for.
And I don't think any of the other posters do. If you can't tell the difference between hyperbole and reality it's due to pure ignorance, willful or otherwise, and it's a pointless waste of time to engage you on the topic. Grow up. Faux outrage is stupid.
So hyperbole is ok when people talk about lynching someone, but its not ok when I use the same talking about drowning a kid because he is spoiled? Its a two way street - you felt my hyperbole was stupid - but apparently the exaggeration of lynching a "wall streeter" isn't? You still don't see a double standard here?
The fact that you still believe that people are knocking him for how much money he makes shows how far the point has flown over your head. You're so far in the dark on this that it's going to take a rescue effort with bloodhounds and helicopters to bring you into understanding. I have no time or inclination to break this down any simpler to get through to someone who wants to bring the holocaust into a discussion about how a spoiled rich man is crying he can't afford the three luxury cars he has. The holocaust. I still can't believe that one. Wow. That's rich.
No - nothing here is rich. What it is - is saddening. Your more concerned with berating an idiot who spends more than he makes, than taking a stand against those who are now talking openly of violence against people like him. It used to be that such things were not tolerated - now they are. When will you, and others on the left, speak out against this kind of stuff? Will it take a few people getting dragged out of office building and shot in the street by mobs first? Or will you - and others like you - reasonable and intelligent people, still stand idly by? Where do you draw the line? I drew mine here - even "joking" about it is too much. I would have liked to see you join me in that.
One is about folks like police and fire struggling to provide necessities of life to their families, the other is a scumbag who's clawing to maintain a luxury lifestyle he could never afford. The fact that you'd think that the two are remotely equivalent enough to bring it up just shows how ludicrous this discussion has become.
That was not what I asked. I asked you to compare those who you say are "struggling" - that also make more than people doing the same kinds of jobs in non-governmental roles. Why does a paper pusher at the county courthouse make 30% to 50% more than a paper pusher at most private companies, not have to pay into their retirement, not have to pay for their health insurance, and not have to worry if they will have a job tommorow - not be seen as "spoiled" when they scream that their raise wasn't "big enough" compared to the private industry worker doing the same type of job - who makes less and DOES have to pay into his/her own retirement, does have to pay for insurance - and does have to worry if they have a job next week, never mind thinking of a raise or a bonus...
Who in that scenario is "spoiled"? That was the question I asked, and instead of answering it - you have tried to make it about comparing governmental workers with the idiot in the article. Neither Tater nor I asked you about him - we simply asked about another, less fortunate group and you have shown you won't apply the same standards to the question.
I only have discussions with people who can discuss like a rational adult and have an inkling of understanding of the discussion at hand. You apparently fail both tests.
Perhaps it was miscommunication.... Perhaps it wasnt. I regret you felt that I "insulted you". I didn't call your position "stupid" as you did my question. We agree on the reality that this guy is an idiot, though I don't think calling him a "scumbag" is appropriate - his actions prove he lacks a modicum of common sense, but your verbage indicates he has done something heinous, illegal or immoral to get his "luxury lifestyle" - and nothing shows that. More populist rhetoric at work, or just an emotional reaction to his undeserved whining?
mookiemookie
03-05-12, 10:14 PM
I apologize for using the word "stupid." It was stupid of me to do so. That's about it.
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