What is the latest document classified by the DoD?

[TLAM Strike]

The plans for the new rail gun?
nope

The source code for the JSF?
nope

The Qur'an?
WTF???

Yep unless your a Muslim you better have a good reason for requesting one... officially... in writing.

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"They will be kept in a secure location..."
Did they take the cypto safe off a Trident Submarine for this? Are there armed guards? :roll:

from blackfive (http://www.blackfive.net/main/2012/02/christian-soldiers-banned-from-the-quran-in-the-us-army-in-afghanistan.html)

[Schroeder]

Proper treatment for a dangerous book. It's sad but that is what it is.:-?

[Krauter]

Reminds me somewhat of the movie "The Book of Eli"

[Penguin]

But what about the online editions? :o
What if the evil, imperialist forces of the Great Satan read it in the world wide web?
I demand that the DoD protects the book from dirty looks and restricts the acces to all websites that mention the word *****.
To prevent typing anything offensive I further demand to remove the 5 keys in question from all keyboards which are used by the forces.

Signed:
Penguin Chamberlain

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

But what about the online editions? :o
What if the evil, imperialist forces of the Great Satan read it in the world wide web?
I demand that the DoD protects the book from dirty looks and restricts the acces to all websites that mention the word *****.
To prevent typing anything offensive I further demand to remove the 5 keys in question from all keyboards which are used by the forces.

Signed:
Penguin ChamberlainYa mean same as your great-great-granpa Neville did with Mein Führer? Ya know kissing the-thing-that-shall-not-be-named... :hmmm:

[CaptainHaplo]

Its not "classified". Its simply restricted from being diseminated through the US military chain of supply.

Nothing stops a servicemember in the US from going out and buying one. Nothing stops them from then burning what is then their personal property, provided they do not violate any local/state/federal burning laws.....

This memorandum only applies to those in theatre where the good light bird Albertson has such authority over Chaplains and religious documentation command.

Just saying.....

[Penguin]

Ya mean same as your great-great-granpa Neville did with Mein Führer? Ya know kissing the-thing-that-shall-not-be-named... :hmmm:

oh yes, appeasement always worked in history :03:


Its not "classified". Its simply restricted from being diseminated through the US military chain of supply.
[...]
This memorandum only applies to those in theatre where the good light bird Albertson has such authority over Chaplains and religious documentation command.


Yes, that is clear, but don't you think that it puts any non-Muslim member of the forces, who wants to have a copy of the quran, under the general suspicion that they only want to get it to do harm to the book and thus to the image of the US?
An atheist can get a copy of the bible, a buddhist can have a Torah, without permission of his CO.
I don't know to waht extent freedom of religion can be legally restricted in the military, but to me it looks like a double standard. Freedom of religion means also the freedom to read sciptures from "the other side".

[Platapus]

Storing in a secure location is not even close to classifying.

I think you are just trying to stir stuff up here.

There is nothing in that letter that would lead anyone to believe that it involves classification. :nope:

[TLAM Strike]

Storing in a secure location is not even close to classifying.

I think you are just trying to stir stuff up here.

There is nothing in that letter that would lead anyone to believe that it involves classification. :nope:

Sheesh last time I use poetic license around here. :cry:

[CaptainHaplo]

TLAM, I read it the same way as Platapus did - intentionally inaccurate. I see (now) that you were exaggerating to make a point, and thats perfectly legitimate. Its all good, don't sweat it!

[Gargamel]

2 questions.

1) why is the dod handing out religious material to start with?

2) if so, why aren't all such texts, etc under the same rules?

[soopaman2]

So Muslims are the newest members of the protected class.

Congratulations. I would hum Pomp and Circumstance if I wasn't so busy vomiting.

We can't hurt their feelings anymore, we don't want them rioting.

I seen what American police did to OWS protesters, but we can't offend the muzzies, foreign or domestic.

Awesome country.

Catering to bronze age animals...

Decline of an empire indeed.

I should buy a quran, and use the pages to smoke pot out of.

I don't even smoke pot, but I would start just to have a Jihad called on me.

Is the bible protected as much? Hmmm? Torah?

[Stealhead]

You guys cant(except CaptainHaplo) read very well this memo was written by a Chaplin he seems to be the head Chaplin at Bagram in Afghanistan(judging by his rank he might be the head over all Chaplin in country)there are Chaplains for most of the major christian, Judaism.Islam,Buddhism at any base there will be one Chaplin in charge over all the others.The general literature distribution rack is a book shelf/shelves located at the various chapels(or one at a very small location) with religious texts like Bibles,Torahs, those annoying "guiding light" magazines.

What they are saying is do not give out a Quran to anyone not listed as a Muslim on their dog tags.It is a measure being taken in country to prevent another incident that will directly cost the lives of more troops.It is not protecting crazy Muslims it is to keep young troops not using their heads from doing something foolish that might result in the deaths of other troops.It is wise for our military to avoid incidents that begin from within make people go nuts and cause our own troops to get killed.What the memo should say is next time when you take a Quran from POWs using them to send hidden notes on the margins shred them in a classified document shredder!

The goal here is protect our troops.

I can tell that most of you guys where not in the military because you cant read memos fully attention to detail.

[MH]

The goal here is protect our troops.
.

I think it was obvious to everyone but you know...it is still funny in a sad way.

[Ducimus]

Storing in a secure location is not even close to classifying.

I think you are just trying to stir stuff up here.

There is nothing in that letter that would lead anyone to believe that it involves classification. :nope:


Yup. Translate it from military jargon to simple language, all that letter really says is, "We can't have you bozo's riling up the local's, so If you want a Koran, see the base chaplain".

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

In another forum former Navy officer cursed U.S. military's handling of this incident. Reason was that by burning those books military missed an propaganda opportunity. When Taliban's started using Quran as messaging tool they itself desecrated the Holy Book. Not so serious offence as burning it improperly but still worthy for propaganda spin.


P.S. Quran can be disposed by burning as long as remains are collected and respectfully buried to ground.

[Stealhead]

I am sure that the media outlets in the rest of the world are as reliable as the one in the US and that some people in other nations are as susceptible to misinformation as Americans are.

The ones that went off more than likely heard a blown out of proportion story and believed it.I mean just listen to what you can hear people say in passing conversations about any given world event it is amazing how it becomes a game of "telephone" (that game where someone says something in one persons ear it then goes from person to the next around the room it it never ends in the same wording as it started).

The rioters probably heard some story about the American military having trained monkeys who went around grabbing Qurans crapping on their pages and then setting them alight with Zippo lighters.In the story they heard the Taliban PWs where writing poems about walking in fields picking daisies and planting IEBs Improvised Emotional Bouquets.

[Penguin]

sorry for the late but unintelligent reply, wasn't on here for some days, thread went to page 2, yada, yada...


You guys cant(except CaptainHaplo) read very well this memo was written by a Chaplin he seems to be the head Chaplin at Bagram in Afghanistan(judging by his rank he might be the head over all Chaplin in country)there are Chaplains for most of the major christian, Judaism.Islam,Buddhism at any base there will be one Chaplin in charge over all the others.The general literature distribution rack is a book shelf/shelves located at the various chapels(or one at a very small location) with religious texts like Bibles,Torahs, those annoying "guiding light" magazines.

What they are saying is do not give out a Quran to anyone not listed as a Muslim on their dog tags.It is a measure being taken in country to prevent another incident that will directly cost the lives of more troops.It is not protecting crazy Muslims it is to keep young troops not using their heads from doing something foolish that might result in the deaths of other troops.It is wise for our military to avoid incidents that begin from within make people go nuts and cause our own troops to get killed.What the memo should say is next time when you take a Quran from POWs using them to send hidden notes on the margins shred them in a classified document shredder!

The goal here is protect our troops.

I can tell that most of you guys where not in the military because you cant read memos fully attention to detail.

I don't think anyone of the folks who posted here has problems with reading comprehension. The memo is written in pretty basic English, not too bureaucratic; it's easy to get its intention.
Some used the rhetoric weapon of irony or exaggeration to make a point, with soopaman who probably exaggerated the most: that the Taliban are already in the Bronze Age :haha:...

Though I must admit that I thought that the general literature distribution rack would be something like a field substitute for a library, hence "general", I didn't know that there are only religious texts there.
We have libraries in Germany that are managed by the church which also have non-religious literature, though I doubt you'll find the Satanic Bible there.;)

So, as I said in a previous post: the intention behind it is pretty clear, well good intentions mean nothing. It's a disgrace to the troops over there, not to trust them to do their tour in a professional way. Why are some crackpots raging over one particular incident? Because it's a man-bites-dog situation. If there were hundreds of Quran "desecrations" they would not point to one specific case.

Also the point still stands that this is an appeasement to the crazy Muslims - as the non-crazies don't go apecrap over this. It is useless to appease to the hardcore fraction, they hate you anyway, no matter what you do. If you would bomb them with candy they would still rage:"Look, what those dogs want to do to our teeth!" :88)

Another thing which non of you could disprove is the non-equal treatment of the different religions and their worshippers.

Finally: what is really protecting our troops is not to send them there in the first place.

Cheers from a proud draft dodger :salute: