Putin assasination plot?

[I-25]

heard about this in the news today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/world/europe/plot-to-kill-vladimir-putin-uncovered.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/02/27/the-putin-assassination-plot/

I'd sure hate to be one of the ploters :o

i cant even begun to think that Putin's gonna do to them..

[Catfish]

Do you believe the news media ?

They say [sic!] this mine lay there for 5 years, on Putin's way he used almost every day. Why wait so long ? And to see those being accused making their "statements" was so ridiculous.
"Yes we wanted to kill him, but it looked like it was going to rain."

Nah don't take this seriously, all that is coming out in Putin's free press is a scam, especially before "elections".
Even the russian military says it's just a trick to win the elder dumbs vote for him. "Oh look at that poor boy, they tried to KILL him oh no, i will now vote for him !"
The others vote for him because they just want to have at least a bit of security and peace, if a graveyard one.
Not that US candidates are any better, i even think they are (much) worse. And don't start to talk about german ones :nope:

How do you see a politician is lying ? He opens his mouth !

[Skybird]

There was a four-parts documentary about Putin on TV some days ago, from the Yeltzin era to the present. Good docu, I think, balanced, fair, objective. Confirmed more or less the way I use to see him.

And as I see him, he has chnaged from better to worse. The West treated russia quite underhanded after 89, drunk by the feeling of having won the cold war, and now partying as the victor. Trying to exploiit the economical wilderness that Russia was, abusing yeltzin'S weakness to shuffle heavy profits out of the country and leave a corrupted business strutcure behind, was no clever idea.

Putin I think in the beginning believed honstely that there would be a chance to bring Russia closer to Europe, in mutual ties formed on same eye level. He signalled by his political decisions he made that he wanted that and hoped for that, but of course he expected a return for his early concessions. And on that return, the West failed too often, breaking too many promises while just raising demands that Russia should just copy the Wetsern model. Putin learned that his hopes maybe were naive, and that western and american diplomacy speaks the same language of power and strength that the Soviet union spoke, and that a weak Russia accepting compromise after compromsie - amyn of them being foul compromises for russia - simply does not pay off.

He cleaned up the mess caused by the capitalistic hey-days of early Yeltzin'S era by confronting the established crminal oligarchs. Chodorkowski imo is no saint himself, and he became the example chosen by Outin to teach the ologarchs the lesson that they may enoy the millions they have, but if they start to mess with the state and try to corrupt government and take it over, they live dangerous. The logic is simple: if somebody corrupts somebody else then the state corrupts the economic leadership - not the other way around.

Putin became a hardliner that way. Which I see as not necessarily unavoidable from beginning on, and think of as a great historical opportunity being missed by the West. In the early years of last decade, he was decribed by some itnimate insiders of Russia as a second Alexander the Great who also tried to modenrise russia and bring it closer to europe. Alxander had some minor achcievements, but in general failed. So did Putin. And for both men it has not been completely just their own fault.

I have moved away from my tolerance for Putin in present years, but I also ask what the alternative would be? Priority to me is a stabile Russia, and I doubt that a confused concept of a dysfunctional generla democracy a la Western states could guarantee that. I think Putin also has chnaged by character. That may be partly due to bitterness over the disillusions he had to expreince, but also something in his personality that has chnaged with age, like we all chnage. Older men sometime sbecome - strange. And I cannot imagine the very educated, witty, smart guy he was 20 years ago to ever have accepted the infantile idiotic posing on mucho-macho-photos like he has repeatedly done now. That is so - doof.

I think it is not easy to govern a country like Russia and not loosing control. Maybe it is the most difficult country to govern and to control on the whole globe. what works inamerica or Germany, must not necessarily work there as well. I am even quite certain that it would not. Wide range thins out the density of pluralistic structures. Up until a point where the feeling of national identity and unity may have become so thin that it does not exist anymore.

And that I would see as a great danger for the world.

[darius359au]

Funny how this shows up just before the election and his job swap with medverdev ,especially as the anti putin voices are getting louder in russia..

[Catfish]

And, this just out:

Russian media and newspapers "knew" of this tried "Assassination" even before agencies and administration.
What will they think of next ? :hmmm:
:rotfl2:


Yes i think Russia needs a strong unbribed administration, e.g. against the russian Mafia. So sometimes i think that Putin is not that bad -
But then, why don't they use their Mafia like the US does ? Better to have an inland partner to do deals with. Cuba was entirely owned by the Mob, it was the whorehouse of the Navy, and the money washing agency of the CIA.

[Catfish]

Skybird you are right, "the West" has not supported a democratic Russia, for most it still was the bad commies, but imho the eastern areas will be the trade partner of the future. Regardless what happens government-wise, the trade vacuum that existed during the cold war has taken a long time to be filled again, including trust and investments, but now Russia wants Antonovs to carry goods to and from Siberia to Germany, is building highways and all kinds of infrastructure like crazy. AND they invest in exploring oil, something the west has completely stopped, their oil companies' CEOs being satisfied to take the money and run.

Regarding the US and what they learned of Russia and its armament race, which the latter "lost": Now the US is arming up like in the middle of a war. 250 billions alone for the F-35 (fail), and now a new B-2 successor ?
In 2015 they will have the 20x number of Russian, and 25x of Chinese fighter jets. What. for. "I have the biggest" ?
I fear they will be bankrupt like Russia back then in 1989. I don't think it really happens, but the signs are not good.

Greetings,
Catfish

[Skybird]

Skybird you are right, "the West" has not supported a democratic Russia, for most it still was the bad commies,
Russia was prey. A hunting ground for Western predators. Many of Russia criminal oligarchs came to wealth and power by help of the West. The Russian deer had no experience with how to fight these western intruders off, so it bled dearly.

Say what you want about Putin, I cannot blame him for having put an end to Western abuse and criminal Russian oligarchs turning the country into their private banana state. Putin'S regime is corrupt, no doubt. But still does less damage than what there was before.

But if Pution does not manage to modernise the industry of his country, then darkness will fall again, and Russia will not be able to be the big trading partner for Europe that you hope for. All they have so far is gas and some oil. that does not secure the future. Especially not the future after gas and oil.

[Ducimus]

Sorry, i hear the name Putin, and this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnVwjw2Un4k) always comes to mind.

[Stealhead]

Free press in Russia actually means if you try to put what you want into print you get your face pressed into the dirt by a boot until your head pops like a ripe melon.

[TLAM Strike]

Free press in Russia actually means if you try to put what you want into print you get your face pressed into the dirt by a boot until your head pops like a ripe melon.

I take it the FREE part means they won't send the bill for the service to the next of kin?

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[Stealhead]

Maybe they do in a manner of speaking because after they put a steel plate from an old rusted sub in your head from the pressing they send you to a gulag
and your next of kin will probably have to pay money to guards and the "thieving hand" to keep them safe.