Taliban website

[eddie]

These clowns have a website!?! Great, off to send them a wondeful email,lol

http://shahamat-english.com/

[Harald_Lange]

Boasting about blowing up our boys with IED's, real courageous stuff.

[Biggles]

I'm not sure I want to press that link....:hmmm:

[USS Drum]

I'm not sure I want to press that link....:hmmm:
Same here

[Skybird]

"I don't want to set the world on fire,
I just want to start
a flame in your heart..."

Primitives they ever have been, primitives they ever will be. Maybe dangerous, maybe ruthless, maybe brutal primitives - but still primitives all the way. The living evidence that evolution also can lead into dead ends.

[Karle94]

Looks like a perfect target for a DDoS attack.

[August]

FBI website trolling for jihadi suckers. :yep:

[Dowly]

Boasting about blowing up our boys with IED's, real courageous stuff.

And news "boasting" about coalition troops killing this and that guy with a drone is different how?

I loathe the terrorists as much as the next guy, but I've never understood the
"Oh they are cowards" attitude. If someone is there to hunt you and you simply
don't have the means to fight in the open, then you go guerrilla warfare on his
arse. Simple as that. (they're still a-holes, tho :yep:)

[Stealhead]

War is war if it is wrong for them to boast about killing our troops then we cant boast about ours killing theirs.True they chose to use IEDs but that is the most coast effective weapon available to them.Any sniper is going to shoot a person who has no idea that he is there and a submarine aims to sneak up on his foes.

I agree with Dowly killing an enemy with a hellfire missile in some air conditioned room on the other side of the planet is not very courageous either.An IED is not really any different than a land mine or an RPG for that matter.My dad told me how in Vietnam while on recon patrols they would take empty C-ration cans when deep in enemy controlled territory and line them with cloth so that a hand grenade could have its pin pulled and the spoon held in place while it was slid into the can then they would leave it on the ground with other trash for the resourceful VC to pick the C-ration and Bam!(the VC and NVA often used C-ration to set up trip wires thye used the cans to hold the grenade) Both sides in Vietnam NVA sappers where so good they sometimes crawled up and would flip the claymores around along a perimeter so that they would kill the one triggering them Elite Us forces also very often set up "L" ambushes with several calymores most times the claymores killed everyone the enemy had as much of a chance as an IED victim dose.Some IEDs are set off by pressure those the victim or his vehicle sets off the IED the other type is set off by an observer he will be with closer than the drone pilot to his victim and both will give no fair warning. Warfare is about violence of action.

[August]

I agree but there are reasons enough to call the Taliban cowards. For one thing using civilians as shields. A real man protects his family, he does not use them as self mobile sandbags. IMO of course...

[TLAM Strike]

A real man protects his family, he does not use them as self mobile sandbags. Or as talking smart bombs (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9014282/Afghan-boy-suicide-bombers-tell-how-they-are-brainwashed-into-believing-they-will-survive.html). :nope:

[Stealhead]

Well I never said that they where not cowards just that some of their tactics are no different than anyone else.

I read in the book "Apache" by a Royal Army Air Corps AH-64(these birds have outstanding optical capabilities for those that do not know) pilot about his time in Afghanistan he mentioned once how his chopper was supporting some Royal Marines he was using the 30mm cannon to suppress Taliban positions in the heat of the battle he noticed one dragging another wounded up to this house that they(both sides) knew was occupied by civilians trying to hide the Taliban decided to kick the door in and forced the people out and drags his buddy insdie the entire time the Brits can nothing without also killing the civies if they fire the 30mm cannon with its HE shells.So they decided to fly away as if they where departing the area trick the two Taliban to leave the house it worked like a charm the came back and find wounded Taliban and his pal trying to hide behind a truck they sent a few dozen 30mm shells courtesy of her majesty and blew the tow Taliban to paradise in several dozen pieces some Royal Marines found one of the arms 1000 meters away from the truck.Cowards get what they deserve sooner or latter.

Also many Taliban fighters are foreign to Afghanistan or the region they are fighting in so most times they are not using their family in cough cough Pakistan as a shield they are using an innocent by standers family.My brother told me many stories of how locals would come up to speak to the unit CO and officers asking for help and dropping the dime on Taliban fighters most times it was good information.

[Takeda Shingen]

Clowns? The Taliban are winning. They have survived the onslaught of our forces. We took our eyes off the prize and allowed them to escape and reorganize. They have not managed not only to re-emerge in Afghanistan, but to take steps towards legitimizing themselves though talks with the Karzai regime. They have placed themselves in a position to bide their time while we (the US) close up operations in Afghanistan. We won't be there forever, and they know it.

Call them what you will, but those clowns are kicking our backsides. They are indeed bad people, but those bad people are winning the war.

[Stealhead]

From a political stand point perhaps but not from a military standpoint the situation is very complex there are dozens of different tribal groups that dislike each other greatly not every Afghan likes the Taliban some hate both the Taliban and the US/NATO some are drug traffickers and have 3 enemies,NATO,Taliban and Iranian border guards.The Taliban IEDs in many regions wind up killing innocent Afghans and that makes them very unpopular in many places.

Karzai is nothing more than the mayor of Kabul his has no real power just because his regime says something does not mean that the populace agrees with it.

[eddie]

I call them clowns because its the nicest thing I could call them:) How they have a website, is beyond me!

How they fight a war doesn't mean a whole lot me, you see it in the news everyday. Using young boys under the age of 12, as suicide bombers speaks volumes on how useless to society they really are. Their tirbal mentality and tribal laws show how far down on the evolutionary ladder they are. A caveman on meth would act more civilized then they ever could!

I'm way passed caring about whats going on in Afghanistan. The only thing I look forward to is when we stop sending money to Karzai, and our troops come home!

Why should we help a country whose so called tribal laws condone this-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065301/Afghan-woman-jailed-raped-cousins-husband-offered-release-marries-attacker.html

And do a search on a recent court case in Canada, parents using their tribal laws to perform an honor killing of their daughter, because she was starting date a western boy, and hearing her mother call her a whore, and that she should be killed (In which her Father actually carried out the murder) for that.There is a guy here in the States who is being hunted for the same thing, but he killed all his daughters! I believe there were 3 of them.

Yeah, they are clowns and a whole lot worse!

[Torplexed]

Why should we help a country whose so called tribal laws condone this-


Afghanistan is a country in name only. There has never been a strong central government. Afghanistan is a collection of feuding tribes ruled by warlords who have been at war with each other for thousands of years. Think Hatfields and McCoys on steroids. That works to our advantage as once we leave maybe they'll go back to killing each other.

[TLAM Strike]

...once we leave maybe they'll go back to killing each other.
These guys have been fighting some of the best military forces on the planet. When we leave and Kabul Kops are in charge they will be facing an enemy hardened by 10 years of combat against the best, they might just steam roll "our guys".

(I hate to compare them but...) the Taliban is like the Spartans or Klingon warriors. The ones who survive and succeed do so under the harshest conditions possible; their training is quite frequently combat, some are conscripted under the penalty of death, and encouraged commit acts of barbarism as their SOP. 10 years of war has weeded out a lot of the dumb ones among the really dedicated fighters (not talking the tribal militias or $10 Taliban) leaving a core force of some really nasty folks.

[Skybird]

Why complaining that dogs balk? That's what dogs do. The way the Taliban fight is the result of the asymmetrical setting of the war, and that the Taliban do not subscribe to the Hague Land Warfare Convention. Any army facing an enemy not accepting these rules while accepting them for itself necessarily will find itself into trouble - for the assumed weaker side that is the whole idea behind waging asymmetrical warfare, by doing so it compensates its own deficits in strength and technology. One could even say to bring the enemy into trouble is the whole idea behind warfare in general, else you would not shoot at him.

But as in Iraq, the blame from my side goes at incompetent, hopelessly reality-disconnected political leaders who deny realities that they do not want and expose their troops to the risks of war over politically formulated objectives that are in total denial of what realistically could ever be acchieved.

I personally argue as usual: if you are at war, go for the enemy's throat, and do not let the presence of any unhappy bystander distract you from your target. That is war. It's not a picnic in the woods. It'S always injust to those being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Now there the West is in Afghanistan. Oh so humane the intention, oh so idealistic the claims, oh so wonderful the plans. What has been acchieved? The enemy wins. What has been rebuilt temporarily, will get lost. It will have lived a short life only. Even more, our own leaders now contemplate the need to upvalue the enemy in his political credibility, and negotiate with this primitive rat pack on same eye level with us. They will hang children in the Kabul arena again, they will again supress women with medieval brutality, they will again help to export the ideologic poison of Islam to other conflicts and countries to help the Islamic jihad. Our own guys will return with bad memories on mind, many of them traumatised, some being dead, but we can always comfort ourselves with that we played by the rules, and that we had good intentions, and the most precious phrase of all: "at least we have tried".

That'S the self-excusing of loosers, gentlemen.

Next thing we will need to hear is politicians explaining us why we were so victorious in Afghanistan, and why it is reasonable to have installed the enemy in place, and why it all has to be seen as a great acchievement. Oh, and many will claim they are very optimistic for the future, that one always catches some voters' applaus en passant. And finally, my favourite: Karzai is our friend, Afghanistan is a great culture, and Pakistan is our ally. :lol:

Next time you go to war, pick you war more wisely, maybe, and when going in, do so by opening all gates to hell inside your mind. If you are not willing to do that, then maybe it is a stupid idea to go to war.

It may be a comic movie, but Quentin Tarrantino said it best in Kill Bill 1, and that scene remineded me of the teachings I received from my own mentor, who also was a Japanese and came from a family of Samurai, it could have been his own very words:

"For those regarded as warriors, when engaged in combat, the vanquishing of thine enemy can be the warrior's only concern. Suppress all human emotion and compassion. Kill whoever stands in thy way, even if that be Lord God or Buddha himself. This truth lies at the heart of the art of combat."

Ever draw your sword only when you intend to kill. Never put it back into the sheath without blood on it. That'S why I hate parades.

[vienna]

I'm curious: do the Taliban have a Facebook site and, if so, how many "likes" do they have?... :hmmm:

[TLAM Strike]

I'm curious: do the Taliban have a Facebook site and, if so, how many "likes" do they have?... :hmmm:
Maybe someone who has a facebook account can check:

http://storyful.com/stories/1000005839

[Stealhead]

I am not sure why some of you seem so shocked that the Taliban, Hezbollah and others have webs sites it does not take that much really to run a website any group with some money can easily do it.

In the last several years Islamic Extremists have been using web sites extensively they make are a very cheap and easy way to spread propaganda and to inspire like minded individuals.

They could care less about Facebook which is only relevant to people who use Facebook, Westerners.I dont peg someone that might be a willing fighterfor the Taliban having much interest in Facebook they are using that site in an attempt to win hearts and minds of people in the west they can take advantage of free press and public opinion they are attempting to undermine popular support for the war against them they obviously read Sun Tzu.

"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
The Taliban attempts to erode popular support for the war against them they use tactics of low risk to their fighters most of the time.
When the Us and NATO show up in a region in force most of the Taliban evaporate to a safe haven and come back slowly to the one lost.

"There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited."
The Taliban can afford to wait for years NATO and the US cant we spend millions upon millions just to counter the threat of IEDs a
very inexpensive weapon.

Gen. Curtis Lemay was a very firm believer in using the maximum force of ones military to quickly mitigate the conflict and achieve victory if you are facing a situation that
prevents you from even fighting this kind of warfare in the first place then you should not get involved.

"Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy's strategy."
The Taliban knows that we will be leaving sooner or later and they for the most part just wait for us to leave.