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merc4ulfate
02-19-12, 02:05 PM
Anyone see this movie? Below. I just caught it for the first time the other day. I loved the whole ghost premies.
A question though. I cannot seem to find good information about US WW2 submarine activity in the Atlantic. I am specifically looking for a list of all boats in the Atlantic during the war and ships sunk and locations of those ships. With respect to location I am seeking locations of submarine sinkings as well and those sunk by submarines.
Thank you
Mark
Randomizer
02-19-12, 02:29 PM
Clay Blair's Silent Victory: The US Submarine war Against Japan also details all of the Atlantic patrols and flotillas with their results and problems.
Torplexed
02-19-12, 04:01 PM
Anyone see this movie? Below. I just caught it for the first time the other day. I loved the whole ghost premies.
A question though. I cannot seem to find good information about US WW2 submarine activity in the Atlantic. I am specifically looking for a list of all boats in the Atlantic during the war and ships sunk and locations of those ships. With respect to location I am seeking locations of submarine sinkings as well and those sunk by submarine.
The reason good information is probably hard to come by is because so little was accomplished.
The Atlantic submarine squadron formed in the summer of 1942 and assigned to operate from Roseneath, Scotland was designated Fifty. It was initially made up of six boats; Barb, Blackfish, Shad, Herring, Gurnard and Gunnel. The boats Hake and Haddo eventually joined them. The boats conducted 27 war patrols from 1942 to '43, mostly in the bay of Biscay claiming the sinking of four Axis ships or submarines for a total of 8,100 tons. None of the sinkings were confirmed in postwar German records. According to skipper Charles Andrews who commanded Gunard, "We had lousy rules to operate under. We couldn't surface in daytime. If we spotted a ship over 5,000 tons, we first had to report it by radio, obtain permission from the British, and then try to sink it. We chased over forty ships. Most turn out to be flying a Spanish or Irish flag. We never fired a single torpedo." During the Torch Landings in North Africa, Herring sank a 5,700-ton Vichy cargo ship, Ville de Havre, but French opposition to the invasion was mostly token.
In mid-1943 these boats were withdrawn from Scotland and sent to the Pacific. No more US fleet boats were deployed to Europe.
In addition quite a few older submarines (R-boats and S-boats) operated on defensive anti-U-boat patrols out of US Atlantic ports and Panama. They also reported zero sinkings, although the real miracle is that none were lost to friendly aircraft.
I've puzzled over the reasons why Below was set in the Atlantic where so few US submarines participated. Maybe because the gloomy Atlantic seemed like a better setting for a ghost story than the sunny South Pacific.
merc4ulfate
02-19-12, 08:01 PM
I did find this:
http://www.pigboats.com/ww2/ww2sinkings.html
You can search by name of the boat alphabetically. Knowing the names of those assigned really helped in finding the roster and reports thank you.
Mark
Torplexed
02-19-12, 08:31 PM
I did find this:
http://www.pigboats.com/ww2/ww2sinkings.html
You can search by name of the boat alphabetically. Knowing the names of those assigned really helped in finding the roster and reports thank you.
Mark
You can also use the Allied warship finder at U-boat.net by entering the sub's name.
http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/2981.html
Looks like Shad was the most successful of the bunch sinking an auxiliary minesweeper and damaging an ore transport and an Italian blockade runner.
Platapus
02-19-12, 09:56 PM
I've puzzled over the reasons why Below was set in the Atlantic where so few US submarines participated. Maybe because the gloomy Atlantic seemed like a better setting for a ghost story than the sunny South Pacific.
Perhaps as a better way to have British ships involved?
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