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This is jaw dropping news . I'm curious what new doors will be opened with this technique in the future...
http://mtbeurope.info/news/2012/1202005.htm
magicstix
02-03-12, 08:43 PM
This kind of thing is already obsolete with fleshprinting and stem cell techniques. They won't make you a titanium jaw in the future, they'll grow you a new one from your own cells.
This kind of thing is already obsolete with fleshprinting and stem cell techniques. They won't make you a titanium jaw in the future, they'll grow you a new one from your own cells.
Yeah but I wanna titanium one! Be able to drive nails with my chin. That'd be cool! :D
GoldenRivet
02-03-12, 09:54 PM
i may be understanding genetics incorrectly...
but even using your own DNA to grow you a replacement jaw bone - assuming you needed the replacement at the age of 18 - would take 18 years to grow yes?
besides i think we are a short distance from perfecting such things.
In the mean time i think this presents something very helpful for people who have been involved in industrial accidents or who have had various bone structures badly shattered - or even for people who have had failed suicides.
I can't wait to see where medical technology is in another 20 years
magicstix
02-03-12, 09:59 PM
i may be understanding genetics incorrectly...
but even using your own DNA to grow you a replacement jaw bone - assuming you needed the replacement at the age of 18 - would take 18 years to grow yes?
besides i think we are a short distance from perfecting such things.
In the mean time i think this presents something very helpful for people who have been involved in industrial accidents or who have had various bone structures badly shattered - or even for people who have had failed suicides.
I can't wait to see where medical technology is in another 20 years
No, it doesn't work that way. Growth speed is controlled by hormones secreted by the pituitary gland. The brain itself times how you grow, not your DNA.
GoldenRivet
02-04-12, 12:20 AM
So, we could grow a liver for a 30 year old ... in say, 1 year?
magicstix
02-04-12, 12:24 AM
So, we could grow a liver for a 30 year old ... in say, 1 year?
Wouldn't even take that long. Probably a few weeks at most. You don't even have to grow a whole liver, you only need around 25% of a normal liver to survive, and it's one of the only organs that regrows itself.
Gargamel
02-04-12, 12:37 AM
Yeah but I wanna titanium one! Be able to drive nails with my chin. That'd be cool! :D
Most titanium alloys are actually quite soft, so you'd drive the nail, but end up bending your jaw. Then you'd have to heat it to over 700c to bend it back, and there goes the rest of your face.
magicstix
02-04-12, 12:48 AM
Most titanium alloys are actually quite soft, so you'd drive the nail, but end up bending your jaw. Then you'd have to heat it to over 700c to bend it back, and there goes the rest of your face.
Worse than that, his skin and muscles aren't made of titanium...
Most titanium alloys are actually quite soft, so you'd drive the nail, but end up bending your jaw. Then you'd have to heat it to over 700c to bend it back, and there goes the rest of your face.
Thanks for crapping on my Terminator fantasy! :stare: :DL
Most titanium alloys are actually quite soft, so you'd drive the nail, but end up bending your jaw. Then you'd have to heat it to over 700c to bend it back, and there goes the rest of your face.
I'm an old time aesthete, can I have my jaw in teak and walnut instead?
Betonov
02-04-12, 12:35 PM
Thanks for crapping on my Terminator fantasy! :stare: :DL
Make a carbon fiber jaw :DL
You could chew trough a train with those :DL
magicstix
02-04-12, 12:58 PM
Make a carbon fiber jaw :DL
You could chew trough a train with those :DL
Carbon fiber is rejected by the body...
Betonov
02-04-12, 01:15 PM
Carbon fiber is rejected by the body...
explains the rashes :dead:
CaptainMattJ.
02-04-12, 01:51 PM
in the meantime, its gonna look pretty freaky deaky when the muscles start growing around the jaw. im assuming thats the point of it yes? To simply replace the bone with a complex titanium jaw that would allow muscle and skin to grow around it? I wonder how long that will take.
I'm just kidding of course but it does raise a valid question. Is it wrong to improve what nature provides?
If we can someday replace our bone skeleton with a stronger one or make our skin tougher (that'd kill foruming :DL), or make longer lasting internal organs, should we?
Betonov
02-04-12, 03:25 PM
Interesting question there.
I'd say its not wrong to improve ourselves, but the potential for abuse is so great it should be limited to replacing ill or damaged organs.
Making handicaped walk again and not seting a pole jump rekord by a mile and all that jazz
Betonov
02-04-12, 03:27 PM
Plus, out own fragility makes us carefull, imagine what kind an idiot would a 400 000$ sportscar and a million dolar spine and bone upgrade would produce
Rapid prototyping has been used for ortho and maxiofacial reconstruction for a while now. The only thing really new is direct fabrication in metal instead of producing a wax/plastic master that is cast (lost wax).
They were doing rapid prototyping models as armatures to fabricate plates for this here in albuquerque in the 90s, actually (a friend's brother is a maxiofacial plastic surgeon). The rapid prototyping guys are nearby the seeking bullet guys out at Sandia :)
I did some work over there, actually. We were using plastics, but we got the tour of the selective laser sintering, and direct metal deposition machines, too. Cool stuff. They were working with the Navy as a way to provide spare parts on carriers. You have all the parts on disk, and you print replacements as needed (replacements were designed to get you back to port, not to replace originals---though that was so long ago, there may be no difference now).
magicstix
02-04-12, 04:10 PM
I'm just kidding of course but it does raise a valid question. Is it wrong to improve what nature provides?
If we can someday replace our bone skeleton with a stronger one or make our skin tougher (that'd kill foruming :DL), or make longer lasting internal organs, should we?
Humans are no longer subject to the pressures of natural selection. If we want to improve as a species we have to do it ourselves.
If the power exists for someone to change something they don't like about themselves, who has the right to tell them they aren't allowed to?
I found some additional info about this medical intervention and the reasons why they choose for this option :http://www.uhasselt.be/UH/Tijdschriften/ToonPersmededeling.html?i=482
This new treatment approach is a world première and a new option between other to choose from .
Tribesman
02-04-12, 05:49 PM
Is it wrong to improve what nature provides?
Ask someone who wears glasses:yawn:
antikristuseke
02-04-12, 06:12 PM
http://images.wikia.com/villains/images/b/be/Jaws.jpeg
first thing that sprang to mind
Humans are no longer subject to the pressures of natural selection. If we want to improve as a species we have to do it ourselves.
If the power exists for someone to change something they don't like about themselves, who has the right to tell them they aren't allowed to?
Maybe because it would give some an unfair advantage in some way. Sports would be one area that comes to mind.
Gargamel
02-04-12, 10:31 PM
Maybe because it would give some an unfair advantage in some way. Sports would be one area that comes to mind.
I think there was a sprinter who was a bi-lat BKA who was putting up Olympic type times due to his new springy legs.
magicstix
02-04-12, 11:20 PM
Maybe because it would give some an unfair advantage in some way. Sports would be one area that comes to mind.
It's also unfair to not let a person change something about themselves. Sports are already in trouble from performance enhancements.
What if we can replace a pitcher's damaged shoulder? Should we allow it or force him to retire? You could make the case that fixing his shoulder gives him an unfair advantage over those who have a natural ability to heal or whose anatomy/genes/etc prevented them from damaging their shoulder in the first place.
Life is already unfair. Money gives people an unfair advantage, so does natural born talent, good genes, social standing, random chance, etc... Who gets to decide what we're allowed to change about ourselves?
Is it unfair to let a person change themselves to have the same intellectual capacity as someone who was just lucky enough to be born with the right genes to make them smart?
What if someone wants to change their eye color, skin color, hair color, or even their gender altogether? What if they want to be taller? Or shorter? Or regrow their hair? What if they want to see in the dark? Who has the right to tell them they can't and why?
What meaning does race have when you can change your skin color?
What does sexual orientation or marriage mean when gender can be changed completely and perfectly?
What does it mean to be human if you can add "after-market parts" like a tail and cat ears or eyes that can see in the dark?
What are the implications on society when those with access to good healthcare are able to live forever?
A lot of those questions seem like science fiction, but they'll all almost certainly become a reality in the next 20-50 years. It'll change not only medicine, but society itself.
What if we can replace a pitcher's damaged shoulder? Should we allow it or force him to retire? You could make the case that fixing his shoulder gives him an unfair advantage over those who have a natural ability to heal or whose anatomy/genes/etc prevented them from damaging their shoulder in the first place.
I'm not talking about repairing damage or even natural physical shortcomings. I'm talking about a replacement shoulder that gives said pitcher a 200mph fastball. If you allow it then you basically mandate players having to be enhanced in order to play in the major leagues now. You're ok with that?
magicstix
02-05-12, 01:38 AM
I'm not talking about repairing damage or even natural physical shortcomings. I'm talking about a replacement shoulder that gives said pitcher a 200mph fastball. If you allow it then you basically mandate players having to be enhanced in order to play in the major leagues now. You're ok with that?
Why not? Baseball's getting kinda boring anyway... If the players want to do it, who cares?
Tribesman
02-05-12, 04:00 AM
I'm not talking about repairing damage or even natural physical shortcomings. I'm talking about a replacement shoulder that gives said pitcher a 200mph fastball. If you allow it then you basically mandate players having to be enhanced in order to play in the major leagues now. You're ok with that?
Forget the shoulder, give all the outfielders a big hand so they can catch the ball easier, that way anyone even in little league will be basicly mandated to play with a big hand.
I think there was a sprinter who was a bi-lat BKA who was putting up Olympic type times due to his new springy legs.
can you see people going through double amputations just to run a bit faster?
a double amputee might take up sports but a sportsman taking up life as a double amputee???????
Betonov
02-05-12, 05:06 AM
can you see people going through double amputations just to run a bit faster?
a double amputee might take up sports but a sportsman taking up life as a double amputee???????
Sooner or later we'll se those kind of idiots.
There were no voluntary amputees (at least in sports) because the replacements were far inferior to the real thing. Personally for me, replacements will always be inferior to the real thing, but if sportsmen (and women) are prepared to kill themselves with chemicals just for a piece of metal around their neck, some prestige and 20min of fame I guess they'll start chopping their legs off for a deluxe aluminium jump hip, that can make you jump 120m (in 5 colors).
Anti doping laws will have to be expanded into anti enhancement laws
Tribesman
02-05-12, 05:24 AM
Sooner or later we'll se those kind of idiots.
Will we though?
its a major permanant proceedure with massive implications and lifelong complications on every aspect of a persons life, its not like doping at all.
To get any real benefit to any potential very short career the proceedure will have to be undertaken at an early age, which leads to further complications as many young amputees end up having severe problems with prosthetics due to growth which probably negates any possibility of even the short career.
But like you point out, there is a factor to weigh...."idiots":03:
Betonov
02-05-12, 05:40 AM
Less than one in 10 million athletes will be the ''idiot'', but he/she will get the full media attention. And then saying how he improved his performance, media then blowing everything out of proportion and you get more followers that were persuaded like sheep... and soon you got a trend
Tribesman
02-05-12, 06:25 AM
and soon you got a trend
Springy legs got lots of media coverage over his times, all the developments in sports prosthetics have got good coverage over the years. Has anyone even approached the idea of cutting their legs off to run on them?
They have approached however idea of fitting them on your feet as footwear. Rather like wearing a baseball glove instead of an operation to give big hands.
Likewise sports wheelchairs rack up some amazing times and are constantly getting lighter and faster, has there been a single case of an athlete wanting to cripple themselves so they can get the same marathon time as the wheelchair competitors? There have been cases of able bodied people using wheelchairs, but not of people going through the other way.
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