Any interest in Warhorse or Redtails [Archive]

nikimcbee

01-13-12, 04:47 PM

Kinda surprised no threads on the new war movies:

War Horse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRf3SfeMRD4

Red Tails
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpA6TC0T_Lw

interview w/ Lucas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEwh3k2Jz_c
(please God, let there be no Jar-Jars in the movie)

Any thoughts?

Ducimus

01-13-12, 04:52 PM

I saw Warhorse the other night with my wife. It, as my wife puts it, is a "really sappy movie". It also defies belief in some aspects. Its basically an equine version of Lassie Come home.

Dowly

01-13-12, 04:58 PM

Red Tails was mentioned somewhere few months back and I shall repeat what I said then:
That's pretty agile P-51 you got there. :O:

And it's an underdog story, so it'll be über-dramatic. Might check it later on, but
that trailer didn't spark much interest.

War Horse, uh.. no.. just no.

ajrimmer42

01-13-12, 05:37 PM

been aware of them both for a while, thought they looked quite good tbh lol

Oberon

01-13-12, 06:58 PM

Red Tails...looks to be Flyboys in WWII.

War Horse, on the other hand, looks good...but I don't know if I'd be able to watch it without having a few...erm...ocular liquid output issues. Been around horses too long, and know too well what happened to so many of them in war.

Randomizer

01-13-12, 07:05 PM

Been around horses too long, and know too well what happened to so many of them in war.
Perhaps every artillery mess in the UK, Canada, OZ and NZ have a copy of this on the walls:
http://www.military-art.com/mall/images/dhm2001.jpg
Probably pass on the movie though...

Oberon

01-13-12, 07:10 PM

Aye...the poor bastards gave so much for us, not just in the First and Second World Wars, but in nearly every war back to the Roman era and beyond.

Rockstar

01-13-12, 08:01 PM

Aye...the poor bastards gave so much for us, not just in the First and Second World Wars, but in nearly every war back to the Roman era and beyond.

And if cooked right they're pretty tasty too. :D

Weiss Pinguin

01-13-12, 09:14 PM

Saw Warhorse during Christmas break with my family, it was 10 different kinds of sappy but I still liked it. Down here near Tuskegee they're having early showings this week, so I may see it with some of the guys. :hmmm:

Sailor Steve

01-13-12, 09:19 PM

I'll almost certainly see Red Tails opening day. If I hate it I hate it, but I have to see for myself.

The other one doesn't interest me at all.

USS Drum

01-13-12, 09:21 PM

I liked Warhorse because it's a good WWI movie it is also the first one made in a long time but what I hope is we are going to get another war film boom like the 60s and 70s because there are three out or coming out 1.USS Seaviper 2.Warhorse 3.Red Tails.

steve_the_slim

01-13-12, 09:30 PM

My friend in the Air Force got to see Red Tails a while back and said it was awesome, so I'm planning on seeing it the first chance I get.

Syxx_Killer

01-13-12, 09:32 PM

After seeing the trailers for both I am not impressed, especially Red Tails. It looks more like a dumb video game than a movie. :doh:

VipertheSniper

01-13-12, 09:41 PM

I'd rather get a copy of HBO's Tuskegee Airmen

gimpy117

01-13-12, 10:24 PM

Recent movies that deal with flight:
-Red baron: great combat scenes....but again, "really agile planes" and just about zero historical accuracy

-Flyboys: same, Little historical accuracy etc.

Red tails?

I'm guessing more of the same

TarJak

01-13-12, 10:46 PM

Warhorse = meh
Redtails = stoopid

Not real interest in seeing either.

Sailor Steve

01-14-12, 12:23 AM

I'd rather get a copy of HBO's Tuskegee Airmen
I have a copy, It's okay, if a bit silly. It looks a little like a WW2 recruitment film. The "effects" mostly involve seventy-year-old stock footage. I do like the acting, though.

Jimbuna

01-14-12, 06:12 AM

I will see them both and make my own assessment but not in any great hurry.

GoldenRivet

01-14-12, 03:09 PM

I'll go see redtails

assuming it does not portray every single white man, woman and child as foaming at the mouth to keep the black man down.

I'm pretty sure it will though;)

Schroeder

01-14-12, 04:34 PM

Dowly

01-14-12, 04:40 PM

It makes me appreciate "Battle of Britain" even more. Real planes ftw!:yeah:

Except those 109s... Gah! :-?

GoldenRivet

01-14-12, 04:54 PM

Watched 20 seconds of the Redtails trailer and lost all interest after seeing the CGI toy planes pulling some "very realistic" moves...

It makes me appreciate "Battle of Britain" even more. Real planes ftw!:yeah:

Memphis Belle was one of the very last war films to use real airplanes. Only "CGI" was the replication of a hand full of B-17s to create the illusion that there were many.

Unfortunately there just arent enough to do something on that scale.

Its a lost art :nope:

Sailor Steve

01-14-12, 05:06 PM

Except those 109s... Gah! :-?
Well, at that time the Hispanos were all they could get. The Heinkels also were Spanish-built with Rolls-Royce engines. And several of the Spits were later models.

I recall one old movie about a P-47 squadron. The Germans were played by Mustangs. :D

And of course we could compare the real flying in Tora! Tora! Tora! with the CGI of Pearl Wars.

Schroeder

01-14-12, 05:07 PM

Except those 109s... Gah! :-?
Still better than the these CGI flyboys clones.

@GoldenRivet
I know, but they could use at least one real P51 (there are still some out there;)) and use that one for some of the manoeuvres, then add a few more with CGI that behave like the real thing does.
But what I saw in that trailer reminded me of RC planes but definitely not of warbirds with a mass around 2 metric tons.:shifty:

Sailor Steve

01-14-12, 05:20 PM

Still better than the these CGI flyboys clones.
I have to agree there. In fact the best WW1 replicas I can recall seeing were in Young Indiana Jones and The Attack of The Hawkmen. Nieuports, Albatros and 1-1/2 Strutters. :yep:

krashkart

01-14-12, 06:03 PM

Saw the trailer for Red Tails on TV. Was dumbfounded by the choice of electronica for the music track. :06: I might have to see it just to find out if the opening track is period music, or if it's that same electronic piece I heard in the promo. :o:timeout:

Platapus

01-14-12, 08:21 PM

Perhaps every artillery mess in the UK, Canada, OZ and NZ have a copy of this on the walls:
http://www.military-art.com/mall/images/dhm2001.jpg
Probably pass on the movie though...

What a moving painting. Any idea the title or the artist?

mookiemookie

01-14-12, 09:09 PM

Surprised no one has mentioned Act of Valor. Action movie that stars eight real life active duty SEALs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dS7XkRcD-c

Randomizer

01-14-12, 09:15 PM

What a moving painting. Any idea the title or the artist?
It's variously called "Goodbye old Pal", "Goodbye old man" or "Goodbye my old friend". Received a black and white print from my last Warrant Officer's and Sergeant's Mess before I retired that hangs in my computer room (or man cave).

Royal Horse Artillery prints (http://www.regimental-art.com/rha_great_war.htm)

Platapus

01-14-12, 09:31 PM

Thanks for the link. $175 is a lot. I will have to find someplace where I can see it in person before I want to shell out that much.

Randomizer

01-14-12, 09:54 PM

Thanks for the link. $175 is a lot. I will have to find someplace where I can see it in person before I want to shell out that much.

$15.00 CAD

Royal Canadian Artillery Kit Shop (http://www.rcakitshop.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&sort=2a&page=1&products_id=162&osCsid=ac2a8a43b3f3d9138434e3fa5aa85b7f)

Platapus

01-14-12, 10:20 PM

$15.00 CAD

Royal Canadian Artillery Kit Shop (http://www.rcakitshop.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&sort=2a&page=1&products_id=162&osCsid=ac2a8a43b3f3d9138434e3fa5aa85b7f)

That's more in my budget these days. Much thanks :salute:

AVGWarhawk

01-15-12, 12:19 AM

I have seen Warehorse. Good movie. Fairy tale but a good movie. Redtails is a remake of Tuskegee Airmen. Looks good and I will go see it.

Tribesman

01-15-12, 05:14 AM

Any thoughts?
Clicked on the links you posted and noticed this trailer on the first one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWixLvfef0Y&feature=related
....looks more interesting than the other two films.

nikimcbee

01-15-12, 12:35 PM

Surprised no one has mentioned Act of Valor. Action movie that stars eight real life active duty SEALs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dS7XkRcD-c

I just saw an ad regarding this.:hmmm:

nikimcbee

01-15-12, 12:39 PM

I'm afraid Redtails is going to be Star Wars, but with P-51s:dead:. I'll still go see it, it can't be any worse than Flyboys or Red Baron.

I miss the old school movies, w/o the CGI.

krashkart

01-15-12, 04:01 PM

I'm afraid Redtails is going to be Star Wars, but with P-51s:dead:. I'll still go see it, it can't be any worse than Flyboys or Red Baron.

I miss the old school movies, w/o the CGI.

So do I. The experience just isn't the same without genuine real-world visuals. Some movies though are perfect for CGI, like cartoonish movies; and especially SyFy movies. (Can't have a proper SyFy movie without those cheeeeezy CGI 'gators, sharks, snow/firestorms, yetis, blood/entrail splatter effects, etc :DL)

USS Drum

01-15-12, 04:11 PM

Warhorse was good being the only good WWI movie in a long time some museum has bought it's replica WWI tank too.

Randomizer

01-15-12, 04:44 PM

I'll still go see it, it can't be any worse than Flyboys or Red Baron.
Wouldn't bet on it, there's probably no lower limit to how rotten they can make an aviation war movie.

Watched 12 O'Clock High the other day, stunt-pilot Paul Mantz actually crashed a B-17 for an early scene. Even in black and white it's impressive and makes CGI look like crap.

nikimcbee

01-16-12, 07:40 PM

Wouldn't bet on it, there's probably no lower limit to how rotten they can make an aviation war movie.

Watched 12 O'Clock High the other day, stunt-pilot Paul Mantz actually crashed a B-17 for an early scene. Even in black and white it's impressive and makes CGI look like crap.

I watched the Blueray DVD special features for Das Boot. No CGI, all models. I think it still looks better than the CGI. (A well made minature/model)

soopaman2

01-16-12, 07:54 PM

Redtails look good to me.

I never even heard of Warhorse, should I be embarrassed?

Sorry I watch little TV. I seen commercials for red tails. (the little I do see)

I hope it can stand up, and glorify these men as they deserve. (and did not get back then)

Osmium Steele

01-17-12, 09:14 AM

Hrm, can one judge an entire film from just a few scenes in the trailer?

Possibly not.

One can judge whether he wishes to spend his entertainment dollar taking a chance on a film when the scenes the director chose to compose the trailer made WWII flight actions sequences appear impossibly cartoonish, and the dialogue as quintessential George Lucas.

This reviewer is not going to waste his time, or his money taking that chance.

Kind of like the reason I cannot watch Crimson Tide. I keep screaming, "That can't happen!!!" at the TV screen every five minutes.

krashkart

01-17-12, 09:18 AM

Hrm, can one judge an entire film from just a few scenes in the trailer?

Of course! It all depends on how ignorant we are. :DL

I wasn't sure how to feel when I saw the trailer, but I must admit to feeling disappointed by the choice of electronic music to advertise what is clearly a WWII movie. I'll give it a chance, though.

tater

01-17-12, 09:41 PM

Sad that this film is made by Lucas. He's a hack. The costuming people were OK according to a couple of the suppliers (who are unbelievably compulsive about the accuracy of their repro clothing).

Schöneboom

01-17-12, 11:14 PM

Major reason for giving "Red Tails" a chance: Lucas did NOT write or direct this film! It was directed by Anthony Hemingway and written by John Ridley & Aaron McGruder. Lucas was executive producer; his main role was to organize and finance the project. His being a hack isn't really a factor this time!

Osmium Steele

01-18-12, 08:44 AM

His being a hack isn't really a factor this time!

Didn't say he wrote it. Said it is quintessential George Lucas.
The quality, or lack thereof, comes through in the trailer.

IMO, George hasn't written a decent script since American Graffiti.

Herr-Berbunch

01-18-12, 09:07 AM

Redtails I'll probably go out of my way to record it when it's aired on TV. Warhorse I'll probably go out.

tater

01-18-12, 09:31 AM

Wow, I assumed he had way more to do with it (Lucas) given the way they drop his name with the press. I guess there are some people that don't think he sucks, so they use him to advertize, whoda thought?

Maybe I'll go see it instead of waiting for video.

Schöneboom

01-18-12, 10:49 AM

I watched an interview with Lucas and read more in the NYT; as exec producer he made the key decisions re the director & writers, so of course he shared his personal vision with them. Lucas said the project was meant to appeal in a retro way, in the style of 1940's WW2 movies, only with black heroes getting the John Wayne treatment this time. If it comes off as corny and jingoistic, it's because the vision is nostalgic and naive on purpose.

If the film does well at the box office, there will be a prequel and a sequel, with more prominent black directors at the helm. And Lucas himself will retire from "big" movies and make obscure little art films -- so he's been saying, at least.