Chinese Submarines? Yea we got that covered...

[TLAM Strike]

In comparison the Iranian Navy is starting to look like its got its act together! :haha:

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2064/132555987521209.jpg

[Schroeder]

I take it it's being towed to a scrapping company?:doh:

[Krauter]

:o Wow..

[TLAM Strike]

I take it it's being towed to a scrapping company?:doh:
I see no lines, I would say she is underway on her own power. Plus that is a Song class, they are only about 10 years old.

[nikimcbee]

Did they go shopping at a Russian Navy fire sale?

http://submarine.id.ru/galery/t1055.jpg

[TLAM Strike]

Did they go shopping at a Russian Navy fire sale?

http://submarine.id.ru/galery/t1055.jpg


The key word here is 'Fire'...
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5084/yekaterinburginfire550x.jpg

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7317/ap111230110418.jpg

[Subnuts]

Won't be able to hear engine or propeller sounds with all that flow noise. Superb acoustic camouflage. A submarine so noisy, you can't perform TMA on it. :up:

[Platapus]

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2064/132555987521209.jpg

Do you think that is number 320? Looks old enough

[nikimcbee]

Won't be able to hear engine or propeller sounds with all that flow noise. Superb acoustic camouflage. A submarine so noisy, you can't perform TMA on it. :up:

Conn, sonar:" picking up a washing machine noises sir.:Kaleun_Periskop:"

[TLAM Strike]

Do you think that is number 320? Looks old enough
Not unless they refitted the Type 039 class boats with the Type 039G class sail/fin. :hmmm: Notice it does not have the stepped sail:
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6108/sssong1.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/2q86pl1.jpg

[mookiemookie]

Just like everything else Chinese - cheap, knockoff, false, inflated, fake and garbage underneath the veneer of impressiveness.

:shucks:

[USS Drum]

Here's the obvious answer: they went shopping at a Russian yard sale.

[geetrue]

Won't be able to hear engine or propeller sounds with all that flow noise. Superb acoustic camouflage.
A submarine so noisy, you can't perform TMA on it. :up:


We had this happen back in 1970 in the Med on patrol ...
sonar supervisor blue crew Sam Houston SSBN 609.

sonar platform 200 feet 4kts

Port to port 2,000 yards just a hiss in a hurry

Best guess Russian November in a hurry

Too quick for BQQ 3C

recorder saw it on BQR-7

so what did we do

Conn/sonar fast moving contact 270

Conn eye, "keep me informed"

Conn/sonar lost contact in the baffles

Conn eye

[Sledgehammer427]

SWEET HEAVENS!
Once I had to drive a car, which, I think, defined the term "beater," across town, a 2-3 mile trip...and every second, I was afraid something was about to break. I can only imagine thats what this felt like. Don't sneeze..

btw, the whole front end practically fell off when we put it on the trailer to take it to the scrapyard.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Port to port 2,000 yards just a hiss in a hurry

From the sounds of this, the November managed to sneak or at least stumble its way to within 2km of a US SSBN and only popped up when it accelerated.

How did it get so close? I thought the Americans have much better sonar!

[gimpy117]

In comparison the Iranian Navy is starting to look like its got its act together! :haha:

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2064/132555987521209.jpg

looks safe

[phil21]

Interesting picture. Looks like they made some serious modifications - more or less. As far as i can tell they changed the sail, modified part of the hull. What for? The chinese maybe have a strange way of doing their stuff, but i dont think they are doing it for fun...

[Osmium Steele]

I'd imagine the 2000 yards is the closest point of approach. Though I am certainly correctable on this. To me, sonar was just an signature on the qual card.

[Osmium Steele]

TLAM, I think Platapus may be on to something. The limber holes line up perfectly for the Song class and the top of that sail looks like a refit.

Nice eye Platapus.

[Jimbuna]

Is that scaffolding at the bottom of the tower?

[TLAM Strike]

Interesting picture. Looks like they made some serious modifications - more or less. As far as i can tell they changed the sail, modified part of the hull. What for? The chinese maybe have a strange way of doing their stuff, but i dont think they are doing it for fun...

TLAM, I think Platapus may be on to something. The limber holes line up perfectly for the Song class and the top of that sail looks like a refit.

Nice eye Platapus.
There are three variants of the Song class. The Type 039 was the first (Hull 320 that Platapus mentioned was the sole sub of this class) this has the stepped sail we all know from Sub Command:
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6622/song2w.jpg

The Type 039G and 039G1 are the other two variants, they do not have the stepped sail (plus have more up to date gear, anechoic tiles etc):
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5604/3163272007.jpg

The 039G can be considered the "Production" model and the 039G1 the "Flight 2"

The sub in the 1st picture is most likely of the 039G or 039G1 class because I don't believe the 039 got the 039G sail as a refit. (if someone knows otherwise let me know)

[geetrue]

From the sounds of this, the November managed to sneak or at least stumble its way to within 2km of a US SSBN and only popped up when it accelerated.

How did it get so close? I thought the Americans have much better sonar!

This was 42 years ago

Boomers are Fleet Balistic Missile boats FBM's and they trail a wire behind them that floats to to the surface fed out from the sail.

To turn too quick is cut the wire and lose contact with CTC in Colorado

200' in a termal layer near North Africa near shipping lanes can hide long range contacts

The sonar was superb in those days as in today with even more hydrophones, hindsight sonar, fwd looking sonar, triangling sonar, passive sonar, waterfall sonars and torpedo sonars, all much better today.

The sonarman is the key and all he can do is report what he see's. It's up to the conn to react.

I don't want to find out who's the best after a war ... before is better and that takes professionals dedicated to their job of staying alive :yep:

[TLAM Strike]

Is that scaffolding at the bottom of the tower?
Yes... :03:

[Jimbuna]

Yes... :03:

Then I'd have thought it suggested she was running either surface trials or moving to a yard for more work to be done :hmmm:

[magicstix]

Too quick for BQQ 3C


BQQ3? Wow you're really dating yourself there... :03:


In any case that song definitely looks roughed up... Maybe she got run over by something? :>