Scottish Independence?

[Randomizer]

Remember hearing rumours long ago joking about Sean Connery becoming king of Scotland but had not even realized this was seriously in the wings! So what happens if Scotland leaves the UK?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/01/10/britain-offer-scotland-independence-vote.html

Is this all smoke and mirrors?

[Sailor Steve]

So what happens if Scotland leaves the UK?
They'll have to change the flags, for one thing.

On the other hand, the only reason they joined in the first place was because they got to choose the king. :O:

[Catfish]

So what happens if Scotland leaves the UK?
Is this all smoke and mirrors?

All smoke and mirrors, no it's true.
But i can see Thatcher sending the Falkland fleet to Scotland, from her grave ..

What happens, if they leave ?
Maybe then they will be better off economically, and join the EU .. :D

[Herr-Berbunch]

About time this came to a head and was decided. But why should it just be the Scots who have the vote, why not the whole country (as is)? :hmmm:

[Catfish]

Hmm ok, i just wonder did they let go India with the votes of the whole Commonwealth ? :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Remember hearing rumours long ago joking about Sean Connery becoming king of Scotland but had not even realized this was seriously in the wings! So what happens if Scotland leaves the UK?

More Scottish minister presidents in Germany in an effort to conquer the continent by infiltration? :D

(David McAllister is minister president of the federal state of Lower Saxony). :)

[Catfish]

Hehe,
but McAllister is more interested in chasing women and getting bribed, than helping Scotland or an invasion of Europe ... but Allister as scottish prime minister - we can still hope ;)


More Scottish minister presidents in Germany in an effort to conquer the continent by infiltration? :D
(David McAllister is minister president of the federal state of Lower Saxony). :)

[Osmium Steele]

Scottish independance? Has a royal Stuart been located then?

Oh please let it be this one...

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsS/16548-5871.gif

and NOT this one...

http://www-hollywoodlife-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/110811_kristen_stewart_snow_white111109073124.jpg

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

IF Scotland becomes independent it will be interesting to see what form of government they will take.

[Herr-Berbunch]

One that sets a budget for a new building of, err, let's say £10m.

But then has costs of £414m.

:doh:

Scotland takes out more than it puts into the pot, so I'm interested to see how long free tuition and prescriptions last.


*Edit - I know that all building costs associated with any government spiral out of control, but over x40 is really funny.

[nikimcbee]

Will Kratos be king?:shucks:

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Will Kratos be king?:shucks:NO! :stare:




I will be the King. :smug:

I promise to my future subjects to fix state's financial problems by taking away their services and money.

They don't have to worry about what to do as benevolent King will assign them their mining and herding assignments. His Majesty's secretariat will also take care of proper and absolutely unbiased news service.

That's great deal isn't it? :-?

[Rockstar]

Wonder if the Brits would rename "New Scotland Yard" to "The New Metropolitan Police Yard Formerly Known Before Those Traitorous Skirt Wearing Bastiges to the North Seceded As Scotland Yard". :hmmm:

Maybe Andy Murray known in the world of professional tennis as the 'Moody Scot' could the first king.

http://www.clbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/andy-murray-tennis-us-open.jpg

[Herr-Berbunch]

Maybe Andy Murray known in the world of professional tennis as the 'Moody Scot' could the first king.


No need to have added the words 'of professional tennis'. :yep:

[August]

Scottish independance? Has a royal Stuart been located then?

Oh please let it be this one...



and NOT this one...



I dunno about anyone else but i'd much rather have her than him. She is much nicer to look at.

[Tribesman]

Surely the pressing questions on the referendum must be...
Who gets whats left of the North Sea oil/gas
Who gets to pay for Dounreay

[Trevally.]

One that sets a budget for a new building of, err, let's say £10m.

But then has costs of £414m.

:doh:

Scotland takes out more than it puts into the pot, so I'm interested to see how long free tuition and prescriptions last.


*Edit - I know that all building costs associated with any government spiral out of control, but over x40 is really funny.

:hmmm:

You have been reading to many spin stories by Maggie


Notice what's missing from the economists' discussion: an argument about whether an independent nation could pay its way. That's partly because, so soon after Salmond's rout, the terms of separation are vague ***8211; how much of the oil revenues would go to Edinburgh; the public debt that Westminster would dump on Holyrood; even what currency it would adopt over the long run. But it's also because those Kelvin MacKenzie-isms about Scotland the Subsidy Junkie are ***8211; shock! ***8211; not wholly true.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2011/5/19/1305827906978/Wind-turbines-in-East-Ren-007.jpg
Wind turbines in East Renfrewshire: could wind power offer a new economic miracle for Scotland? Photograph: Murdo Macleod

The last set of figures from Holyrood statisticians show that for 2008-9, Scotland provided £1.3bn more in revenue than was spent north of the border. At less than 1% of Scotland's GDP, that's not a huge surplus, and it does include a due share of North Sea revenues. Strip out crude and the deficit goes up sharply, to £10.5bn (or 9% of GDP).
If those were your family's accounts you wouldn't want to be depending on one source of income that yo-yos so much (oil prices hit a record-high in 2008). But beware of double standards: hardly anyone put such objections to chancellor Gordon Brown during the bubble years.

[Egan]

As one of the apparently few Scots on this site I was going to jot some things down, but I can't be bothered now, to be honest. I'm kind of sick of the frothing nonsense I've seen on the Internet over the last few days from every side of argument. Maybe later if I'm less tired.

So, I'll just go with the Daily Mash Instead...

Independant Scotland Could be exactly the Same. (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/independent-scotland-could-be-exactly-the-same%2c-warn-experts-201201114752/)

EDIT: link fixed, I hope.

[Osmium Steele]

Sure. Be all calm and reasonable why don'tcha? :O:

[Jimbuna]

Will Kratos be king?:shucks:

OH YES!! :DL

[Jimbuna]

The best poll returns I have seen are 38% of Scots in favour of independance.

Good luck to them if that is what is eventually decided...but they need to realise they will have to factor in defence costs because there are fewer Scottish regiments than there have been in the past and the RAF and RN are truly British/English.

Add to that they receive far more than they put into the pot and I'm confident the average Scot will realise it is far more beneficial they remain part of the Union.

As much as I dislike Cameron, he is playing a canny game and the final outcome will more than likely be the public humiliation of Alex Salmond.

http://spreadhead.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/alex-salmond-rabbit.png

[Madox58]

Call me an idiot..........
But didn't Scotland get thier freedom with BraveHeart?
:06:

[Egan]

Call me an idiot..........
But didn't Scotland get thier freedom with BraveHeart?
:06:


Yes, but then some English Monks invented Buckfast and that did for us.

[Garion]

Gits :woot:

Cheers

Garion

[Jimbuna]

:har::har::har:

[nikimcbee]

So, Jim, as friend of the King (Kratos, not Elvis), would he give you a land grant and make you Lord Buna (or Baron von Neukastle):shucks:? Not sure what titles goes with that?

[TLAM Strike]

Would this mean that the base at Faslane would be split between England and Scotland à la Sevastopol? With half the fleet going to the RN and the other half to the Scottish Navy?






... what am I saying, the Royal Navy doesn't have anything left to split between anyone! :haha:

[Randomizer]

For the new Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers, England can have the flight deck, Scotland can have the hanger and Wales can manage the elevators (sorry, lifts). They can switch round on the last day of the month.

More seriously 38% doesn't seem like much but regimes have changed with far less plurality. After digging a bit deeper, seems like the PM might be playing chicken with the issue to embarrass the separatists and polarize their base.

[Herr-Berbunch]

... what am I saying, the Royal Navy doesn't have anything left to split between anyone! :haha:

I seem to recall there are three vessels just of the coast of the Netherlands. :smug:


Oh dear! :oops:
(http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=191364)

[Osmium Steele]

Would this mean that the base at Faslane would be split between England and Scotland à la Sevastopol? With half the fleet going to the RN and the other half to the Scottish Navy?


I thought I read yesterday, in the OP article, that an independant Scotland wanted nothing to do with "the nuclear submarines near Glasgow". I'll be darned if I can find it in the article now.

I can see why, that is one narrow transit into that port. Shock trials weren't even that hairy.

[Herr_Pete]

You are no the only Scot on the website mate. Personally I am sick to death of that baked potato (Salmond) Salmond and the SNP have already shot themselves in the foot and will not win the Independence vote.

[Jimbuna]

So, Jim, as friend of the King (Kratos, not Elvis), would he give you a land grant and make you Lord Buna (or Baron von Neukastle):shucks:? Not sure what titles goes with that?

Baron von Neukastle, with special responsibility for rebuilding Hadrians Wall :smug:

[Jimbuna]

You are no the only Scot on the website mate. Personally I am sick to death of that baked potato (Salmond) Salmond and the SNP have already shot themselves in the foot and will not win the Independence vote.

That makes you one of the 62% currently not in favour then.

I'll put my money on you :03:

I had to laugh when some numty was quoted on the news this morning as saying Scotland would be the 6th richest nation on earth should they gain independence :DL

Sorry but I can't remember who the individual was :oops:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Sorry but I can't remember who the individual was :oops:

Scots, great at maths, must be Gordon Broon :hmmm:

[Herr_Pete]

That makes you one of the 62% currently not in favour then.

I'll put my money on you :03:

I had to laugh when some numty was quoted on the news this morning as saying Scotland would be the 6th richest nation on earth should they gain independence :DL

Sorry but I can't remember who the individual was :oops:


It does indeed. With all his new green nonsense and his laughable sectarian laws that he has introduced he has angered the majority of Scots (forgot his minimum price on drink lol)

Lmao I remember reading that a wee while back. I can't remember who that clown is either but he is clearly 1 of Salmonds crew. Oh yeah and for that photo of the wind farm, ITS HIDEOUS!!!! EVIL!!!!

[Jimbuna]

It does indeed. With all his new green nonsense and his laughable sectarian laws that he has introduced he has angered the majority of Scots (forgot his minimum price on drink lol)

Lmao I remember reading that a wee while back. I can't remember who that clown is either but he is clearly 1 of Salmonds crew. Oh yeah and for that photo of the wind farm, ITS HIDEOUS!!!! EVIL!!!!

They aired the Scottish Parliamentary debate live on BBC news this morning and I was quite shocked at how arrogant he was toeard the female leader of the Scottish Labour Party.

My understanding is that should independance become a reality he expects Westminster to maintain responsibility for defence :o

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Baron von Neukastle, with special responsibility for rebuilding Hadrians Wall :smug:Would its purpose be to keep those Scottish barbarians out of England or English hooligans out of Scotland? :hmmm:

[Herr_Pete]

They aired the Scottish Parliamentary debate live on BBC news this morning and I was quite shocked at how arrogant he was toeard the female leader of the Scottish Labour Party.

My understanding is that should independance become a reality he expects Westminster to maintain responsibility for defence :o

In regards to defense I understood that this would only happen if Salmond was only able to achieve Independence Light.

[Egan]

I thought I read yesterday, in the OP article, that an independant Scotland wanted nothing to do with "the nuclear submarines near Glasgow". I'll be darned if I can find it in the article now.

I can see why, that is one narrow transit into that port. Shock trials weren't even that hairy.

The Nats are very anti nuke - regardless of whether it be nuclear weapons or nuclear power.

[Herr_Pete]

The Nats are very anti nuke - regardless of whether it be nuclear weapons or nuclear power.

I know, they would rather we pay much more from green energy...I can't wait for the blackouts...

[Egan]

That makes you one of the 62% currently not in favour then.

I'll put my money on you :03:

I had to laugh when some numty was quoted on the news this morning as saying Scotland would be the 6th richest nation on earth should they gain independence :DL

Sorry but I can't remember who the individual was :oops:

I don't think that's true either, but to be honest I don't think we would do much better or worse than any other small European nation.

As for the polls, I know that the percentage in favour jumped about 10% after Cameron's statement.

I've an idea, lets poll people on whether they would be in favour of allowing Westminster to become independent of the rest of Britain. Then we can seal them off and the rest of us can get on with living on a windy, damp island in the north Atlantic.

To be honest, I just can't see the point. I am perfectly capable of taking the piss out of the English football team as it is. :D

[August]

My understanding is that should independance become a reality he expects Westminster to maintain responsibility for defence :o

And he's right I think. I can't imagine HMG not defending Scotland from a foreign attacker regardless of what arrangement is made.

[nikimcbee]

So If Scottland leaves, will Northern Ireland and Wales follow?:hmmm:

[Egan]

I know, they would rather we pay much more from green energy...I can't wait for the blackouts...

That's one of the things that has been bugging me about the SNP - they want us to live in some Utopian paradise where our electric cars are run by what we can produce from endless wind-farms (that are known to blow up when it gets too windy,) or wave power or what have you, yet the corner stone of their future economic policy seems to be 'as much north sea oil as we can drag from the seabed'. Is it just be or is there a basic dichotomy between those two points?

[Egan]

So If Scottland leaves, will Northern Ireland and Wales follow?:hmmm:

Yeah, along with the Republic of Ireland, Cornwall and Brittany we shall form a Northern League of Celtic Alcoholics where poetry and fighting will become the national currency. :up:

Oh I forgot about the Isle of Man. But that's ok - everyone forgets about the Isle of Man..:)

[Herr-Berbunch]

Yeah, along with the Republic of Ireland, Cornwall and Brittany we shall form a Northern League of Celtic Alcoholics where poetry and fighting will become the national currency. :up:

Oh I forgot about the Isle of Man. But that's ok - everyone forgets about the Isle of Man..:)


Hey, you can have Norfolk too. :yep:

[nikimcbee]

Yeah, along with the Republic of Ireland, Cornwall and Brittany we shall form a Northern League of Celtic Alcoholics where poetry and fighting will become the national currency. :up:

Oh I forgot about the Isle of Man. But that's ok - everyone forgets about the Isle of Man..:)

Not the Isle of Man!:o Who will supply the UK with fine cricket gear?

[Egan]

Not the Isle of Man!:o Who will supply the UK with fine cricket gear?

That's not going to win them entry into the NLoCA. Like most Scots I don't understand cricket and believe it to be a weird plot for keeping the locals of the further flung former colonies like India and Australia happy.

As for the important issue of who will rule us, I propose a four way fight between Sean Connery, Kenneth Branagh, Tom Jones and Bono.

[nikimcbee]

That's not going to win them entry into the NLoCA. Like most Scots I don't understand cricket and believe it to be a weird plot for keeping the locals of the further flung former colonies like India and Australia happy.

As for the important issue of who will rule us, I propose a four way fight between Sean Connery, Kenneth Branagh, Tom Jones and Bono.


:har::har::har: Now that was funny!

[Oberon]

Hey, you can have Norfolk too. :yep:

Quite a few around here wouldn't disagree with you :O: Never understood the rivalry myself, aside from the Derby...but I'm not truly local, so that's probably why.

So, with my mixed heritage, would all this talk of separation mean I get dual citizenship?

[Jimbuna]

Your all a crazy good lot.....independance LOL :DL

See ya all at the local 'handout queue' :O:

[Sailor Steve]

As for the important issue of who will rule us, I propose a four way fight between Sean Connery, Kenneth Branagh, Tom Jones and Bono.
Umm, the only Tom Jones I know is Welsh.

[Egan]

Umm, the only Tom Jones I know is Welsh.

Yes he is. I had a long witty answer written out twice but my IPad ate it both times. Jonesy will represent Wales in the fight off to decide the president of the newly formed Northern League of Celtic Acoholics which will be formed by those proud nations that make up the Celtic fringe.

We might let the Isle of Man in too, but they're going to have to submit a detailed report telling us what they're all about because I asked down the pub and no one knows anything about them, except it might have been formed by other Celts who got lost on the way back from a night out.

EDIT: I see the confusion. I forgot to include Wales and N. Ireland to the list of potential members. This is a glaring and unfortunate oversight and I apologise for any offence it may have caused my Celtic brothers. Not that it matters because King Sean the first will have your boys in the presidential rammy.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Umm, the only Tom Jones I know is Welsh.

Yep, Sean - Scots, Ken - English (and clearly the premier choice to rule! :03:), Tom - Welsh, and Bono - Irish.

I've just had a look at any Cornish folk that could do the job, and I'd hardly heard of any of them, the only ones I recognised were - Mick Fleetwood (#you can go your own waaay!), William Golding, Rory McGrath, Thandie Newton (:o), John Nettles, Kristin Scott Thomas, and Marcus Trescothic. It think many non-UK-ers will be pushed to recognise four of those!

So it's unlikely to be a Cornwallian (or whatever they are!).

As a side note, I've met two girls from Cornwall and they both had webbed feet, really! :88)

[Egan]

Nope, Ken Branagh is a Belfast boy I'm afraid. Besides, this is an exclusive club of Celtic drunk states - England being mostly Anglo-Saxon and reaching the world cup finals on a regular basis is denied membership. :O:

Ooh! John Nettles! He can come. We'll make him minister of justice. We'll certainly need him in a country where fighting is the national currency.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Nope, Ken Branagh is a Belfast boy I'm afraid. Besides, this is an exclusive club of Celtic drunk states - England being mostly Anglo-Saxon and reaching the world cup finals on a regular basis is denied membership. :O:

Ooh! John Nettles! He can come. We'll make him minister of justice. We'll certainly need him in a country where fighting is the national currency.


Then I apologise to all Ulstermen. You can have John Nettles, but be aware that once a week there'll be a murder or two when he's around... :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

It's starting to look like Sean wins by default. It will be a short-lived dynasty, though, as Jason is half Italian and talks like an Englishman.

[Jimbuna]

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In the end...there can be only one!!

[August]

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In the end...there can be only one!!

Standard dress for Scottish Beloved Leader?

[Jimbuna]

Standard dress for Scottish Beloved Leader?

Either that or....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RJni9o2nQno/TTWjznqn_gI/AAAAAAAAXs4/kvO-bXgeemw/s1600/Rab-C-Nesbitt_280_976389a.jpg
:O:

[TLAM Strike]

Standard dress for Scottish Beloved Leader?
:hmmm:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2526/zardozdiaper.jpg

Perhaps just on Friday nights? :O:

[geetrue]

Were you aware that at one time no one born in Ireland could own land?

Those days are gone of course, but not forgotten.

Let Northern Ireland be you example and model of independence.

Fight on Scotland, but whats in it for me is every mans cry

except the true patroit :know:

[STEED]

Has Alex Salmond told the everyday Scots they will loose there free drug subscriptions and possibly there free education along the money from Westminster? :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

Were you aware that at one time no one born in Ireland could own land?

Don't be silly:doh:

[Oberon]

What I dearly love is that fact that Marty offered to hold peace talks at Stormont between England and Scotland. Brilliant stuff! :har:

[Jimbuna]

The reality is Scotland get more revenue from Westminster than what they pay in so Alex needs to be honest with his fellow countrymen and tell them what sacrifices may need to be made.

[nikimcbee]

Watched Braveheart last night. Hollywood.:har: Okay, so in the movie, York gets sacked. Then they race back to save Edinburgh. So I looked on the map to see where York is.:haha:

I was actually thinking that they were going to attack some place in Northern England. No love for Newcastle? So either the Scotts were terrified of the Geordies, or Geordies were poorer than Scotts?:hmmm:


BTW, does Newcastle still have Wallace's arm on display?

[STEED]

The reality is Scotland get more revenue from Westminster than what they pay in so Alex needs to be honest with his fellow countrymen and tell them what sacrifices may need to be made.

What made me laugh was the fact he said Scotland with be alright from the money from North Sea Oil. :doh:

Dose he know that is going to dry up in less than 10 years now?

It peaked way back in the 70's.

[nikimcbee]

What made me laugh was the fact he said Scotland with be alright from the money from North Sea Oil. :doh:

Dose he know that is going to dry up in less than 10 years now?

It peaked way back in the 70's.

You're forgeting about the oil deal with Libya.

[Takeda Shingen]

:hmmm:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2526/zardozdiaper.jpg

Perhaps just on Friday nights? :O:

Hilarious how so many movies have people wearing nothing in the post-apocalypic future. Infections, people. Got to keep that skin covered without antibotics.

[Jimbuna]

What made me laugh was the fact he said Scotland with be alright from the money from North Sea Oil. :doh:

Dose he know that is going to dry up in less than 10 years now?

It peaked way back in the 70's.

I was looking at a link you posted on the credit ratings thread and it would appear Scotland derive 85% of their revenue from Westminster :o

[STEED]

Hey jim, I hear oil company's are to probe the North Sea for what they say is there are large untapped pockets. Well excuse me I have been hearing this sort of thing for a few years now and every area probed turned out to be a wast of time.

So we must assume old Alex is banking on three straight cherry's across to pay for setting up a new country.

[Jimbuna]

Hey jim, I hear oil company's are to probe the North Sea for what they say is there are large untapped pockets. Well excuse me I have been hearing this sort of thing for a few years now and every area probed turned out to be a wast of time.

So we must assume old Alex is banking on three straight cherry's across to pay for setting up a new country.

IIRC 95% of UK oil reserves are in what would be Scottish waters:o

[nikimcbee]

IIRC 95% of UK oil reserves are in what would be Scottish waters:o

okay, so you let them go, then invade them and take the oil.

[Diopos]

IIRC 95% of UK oil reserves are in what would be Scottish waters:o

No problem! You'll always have the City (and I don't mean Manchester City :DL).
:hmmm:. Sounds a bit like a curse though ...


.

[Jimbuna]

okay, so you let them go, then invade them and take the oil.

Won't be the first time :DL

[nikimcbee]

Appoint Steed as King of the Throne of Scotland.


http://www.neatorama.com/image-upload/throne-toilet.jpg


All hail our nobel Steed! King O' Scotland:shucks:
Haggis for everybody.:yeah:

[Jimbuna]

Appoint Steed as King of the Throne of Scotland.


http://www.neatorama.com/image-upload/throne-toilet.jpg


All hail our nobel Steed! King O' Scotland:shucks:
Haggis for everybody.:yeah:

http://www.mysterious-scotland.com/LairdChrisLang.jpg

[guntherprien]

Yes let them have their independence.But,we retain faslane,and they have their own currency,so when their monetry system goes tits up,the BoE doesn't have to bail them out,also the EU won't have to as well,as they won't be a part of the EU.
Salmond is a jackass.