Yugoslavia put a man on the moon?

[TLAM Strike]

Well they built the darn thing apparently, then sold it to us!


Link to trailer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfJiNPZ38kY&feature=player_embedded

Docudrama revealing one of the biggest secrets of space race during cold war - Yugoslavian space programme.

"Yugoslavs made rapid development based on unknown diaries of Yugoslav space pioneer Herman Poto***269;nik - Noordung after 2nd world war. Technical solutions described in Potocnik's unpublished papers were the basis for establishing secret Yugoslav space
programme in 1948, after Josip Broz Tito's conflict with Stalin.
In late 1960, CIA discovered that Yugoslavia already had an operational space-flight technology.
In March 1961 Yugoslavia secretly sold complete space programme to USA.
In May 1961, Kennedy announced USA choose to go to the Moon.
In this documentary we will reveal how Tito built the biggest secret underground space centre in Europe in army base Željava with code name "Object 505".

Researched and written by Boštjan Virc

Directed and co-written by Žiga Virc

Production Studio Virc



.... WHAT??? :doh:

[Betonov]

This I got to see :D

We'll, we were smart enough back then to pull a stunt like this, but I doubt we could handle the operation logistic wise :hmmm:

Plus (if this is true) those yankee billions sure found better use than some prestige to be gained by going up there.
And unfortunately, even a Yugoslav flag on the moon would not prevent the bloodbath of 1991-1996 :cry:

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

WTH! :doh:

That is candidate for "must see" document of the year.
EDIT: ...for 2013/14.

[Rhodes]

Oh, so it was not a weather ballon after all...

[TLAM Strike]

...even a Yugoslav flag on the moon would not prevent the bloodbath of 1991-1996 :cry: Saw this image on another website:
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1739/sfrj.jpg

Oh, so it was not a weather ballon after all...

Dear God; it was one of these the Air Force scraped off the New Mexican desert...
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8883/yugogvhactbackad.jpg

[Rhodes]

Dear God; it was one of these the Air Force scraped off the New Mexican desert...
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8883/yugogvhactbackad.jpg

You got it! :har::har::har:

[nikimcbee]

Well they built the darn thing apparently, then sold it to us!


Link to trailer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfJiNPZ38kY&feature=player_embedded





.... WHAT??? :doh:

You mean Kim Jong Il thought of the idea, then sold it to Yugoslavia.:up:

[Betonov]

Oh my god, the Yugo :DL

A car that's so bad it's legendary :DL
My neighbour had one, the funnest thing to drive, you'd mash it and bash it and break a light hitting someone's house and the thing would go on :DL

[TLAM Strike]

This stuff is almost too strange to not be true. So I've sent an email to NASA...

Today a trailer for a documentary titled: Houston, we have a problem!, researched and written by Boštjan Virc and directed by Žiga Virc was posted on youtube...



The trailer in question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfJiNPZ38kY&feature=player_embedded


it alleges that the US Government in March of 1961 purchased via economic aid to Marshal Tito's Yugoslavia data and material vital to Project Apollo and that parts of the Apollo spacecraft may have been built in an underground air base at Zeljava in the former SFRY.


Can NASA confirm or deny any of this?

I sort of doubt I'll get any real response... :haha:

[razark]

Well they built the darn thing apparently, then sold it to us!
:o

At least it's something different from the whole "We never went to the moon" bullcrap.

I sort of doubt I'll get any real response... :haha:
Having grown up less than 1.5 miles from the gates of JSC, in the middle of a neighborhood full of people who designed, built, tested, controlled, and flew the spacecrafts, I must say that we never really saw any eastern Europeans of any sort around here until the 90's.

[TLAM Strike]

...I must say that we never really saw any eastern Europeans of any sort around here until the 90's.
I figured the place must have been crawling with commies! :O: No doubt driving cars with diplomatic tags... ;)

[Betonov]

Having grown up less than 1.5 miles from the gates of JSC, in the middle of a neighborhood full of people who designed, built, tested, controlled, and flew the spacecrafts, I must say that we never really saw any eastern Europeans of any sort around here until the 90's.

How do you know there werent any, Yugoslavs spoke fluent English (unlike the Russians) :O:

Plus, we only sold the parts to you, it didn't say we sent the tech crews there too :O:

[Sailor Steve]

"We never went to the moon"

:o WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON!

I know it's true because I just read it on teh interwebs!

Oh, wait. I pulled that one before. Well, it's been a long time. Maybe nobody will notice. :shifty:

[MH]

Interesting ....
It quite possible that USA could have some dealing with Yugoslavia considering Tito's stance against Stalin.
Quite possibly USA wanted to bring Yugoslavia as close as possible to the west which possibly could mean lots of money.
As for the space program NASA was heavily "brain storming" at the time hunting for, testing and researching even most outrageous proposals.
If the Yugoslav research included some practical ideas they could had been used....why not.

[Randomizer]

Waiting for Oprah to chime in with Yugo Girl!

[AVGWarhawk]

Waiting for Oprah to chime in with Yugo Girl!

:har:

[Betonov]

Just to prove to you the Yugoslav's could do it, I'll posto some examples of balkan ingenuity

No spoon, no problem
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395772_349657321713458_100000075783694_1490020_202 9030785_n.jpg


Opening a bottle, bosnian style
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395772_349657335046790_100000075783694_1490021_209 003470_n.jpg


Blown fuse, who needs it
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395772_349657351713455_100000075783694_1490022_871 021174_n.jpg


An ice container is for the spiled upper class
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395772_349657368380120_100000075783694_1490023_444 961284_n.jpg



Broken window-wipper motor, waste of money
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395772_349657375046786_100000075783694_1490024_200 9590972_n.jpg



Skate park done cheap
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/406421_349658618379995_100000075783694_1490025_159 2042940_n.jpg


Anything is possible :DL

[Jimbuna]

That smallest of planets up there was misnamed....it should have been called 'Tito' not 'Pluto' :doh:

[TLAM Strike]

That smallest of planets up there was misnamed....it should have been called 'Tito' not 'Pluto' :doh:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2443/pluto2500.jpg
Excuse me, there is a slight problem with that statement... (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/pluto-files.html)

[Betonov]

Well, it's been officially confirmed as a mockumentary soooo...

No serbian hog roast on the moon :O:

[TLAM Strike]

Well, it's been officially confirmed as a mockumentary soooo... Got a link?

If true: darn. I was hoping Yugoslavia got farther on its space program than Zambia (http://news.discovery.com/space/to-mars-zambias-forgotten-space-program.html)...

[Dowly]

Maybe the US was getting desperate :O:

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x462/Dowly/850567.jpg

[razark]

Anything is possible :DL
Actually, seeing some of the stuff NASA has done, those really aren't that far off.

Well, it's been officially confirmed as a mockumentary soooo...
And we were having quite a bit of fun at the office with it, too. Oh well, back to shouting "It was all faked on a sound stage!" to the trams.

:hmmm:
"It was all faked on a Yugoslavian sound stage!" might just work.

[Betonov]

Got a link?

If true: darn. I was hoping Yugoslavia got farther on its space program than Zambia (http://news.discovery.com/space/to-mars-zambias-forgotten-space-program.html)...

Well, maybe officially is not the right word :oops:

[TLAM Strike]

Maybe the US was getting desperate :O:

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x462/Dowly/850567.jpg
WRONG!!!

America sent the first animal in to space:

http://spacechronology.com/1940s.html#1947

We also launched the first interplanetary mission, first probe to land on Mars, and first probe to the outer planets.


Too be fair the Soviets had some other firsts... they were the first to lose a crew in space.

[Dread Knot]

If Yugoslavia -- a country not previously recognized as an engineering powerhouse -- sold the United States a "complete" space program, then why did it take so many years of development to build it? One of the key evidences, in any other case, that something has been bought and paid for (rather than invented) is that it suddenly springs into fruition without any clear history. American academic journals from 1959 up through 1975 are replete with the history of the U.S. space program development. Many engineers today can recount in great deal what they did to invent their portion of the Apollo technology.

You also have to consider that 1961 was not the genesis of the Apollo idea. It actually started back in 1959 under the Eisenhower administration, and by 1961 much of the system design was already on paper. Kennedy, in 1961, merely gave it a new and ambitious goal. That makes it hard to argue that Yugoslavia sold the United States a space program two years after it had already begun development. When you set out to tell the "secret" story of something, you can't rely on the popular misconception of its timeline to provide the backbone of your story. You have to deal with the actual timeline as historians see it.

[nikimcbee]

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395772_349657335046790_100000075783694_1490021_209 003470_n.jpg

I was gunna guess with an AK.:hmmm:

[TLAM Strike]

I sent a email to a buddy who was in the Navy and helped dissect these Yugoslav underground bases after the war. He is familiar with the base at Zeljava and he says this is made up.

I trust him if he says its a hoax.

[jjammem]

is this serious? and when?

[MH]

Here is link to the book
The Problem of Space Travel by Herman Potocnik Noordung
(some cool stuff in it)
http://svn.amebylon.net/DD_HTMLs/NoordungEng.pdf

[Betonov]

I sent a email to a buddy who was in the Navy and helped dissect these Yugoslav underground bases after the war. He is familiar with the base at Zeljava and he says this is made up.

I trust him if he says its a hoax.

Maybe these bases are being filled up with some sort of space programme junk and the film is going to be a commercial for an over the top tourist trap :hmmm:

[kiwi_2005]

wonder how much the USA brought it for, millions, billions:hmmm: Tito looked a happy man standing next to Kennedy.

[Betonov]

wonder how much the USA brought it for, millions, billions:hmmm: Tito looked a happy man standing next to Kennedy.

You'd be too standing with someone showering you with gifts :DL
Kennedy gave Tito anything from expensive whiskey to diesel locomotives