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von Kinderei

01-06-12, 12:41 PM

This could be bad http://rt.com/usa/news/us-troops-israel-iran-257/

Quote:
Without much media attention, thousands of American troops are being deployed to Israel, and Iranian officials believe that this is the latest and most blatant warning that the US will soon be attacking Tehran.
Tensions between nations have been high in recent months and have only worsened in the weeks since early December when Iran hijacked and recovered an American drone aircraft. Many have speculated that a back-and-forth between the two countries will soon escalate Iran and the US into an all-out war, and that event might occur sooner than thought.
Under the Austere Challenge 12 drill scheduled for an undisclosed time during the next few weeks, the Israeli military will together with America host the largest-ever joint missile drill by the two countries. Following the installation of American troops near Iran’s neighboring Strait of Hormuz and the reinforcing of nearby nations with US weapons, Tehran authorities are considering this not a test but the start of something much bigger.
In the testing, America's Theater High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD, missile system will be operating alongside its ship-based Aegis system and Israel's own program to work with Arrow, Patriot and Iron Drone missiles.

Israeli military officials say that the testing was planned before recent episodes involving the US and Iran. Of concern, however, is how the drill will require the deployment of thousands of American troops into Israel. The Jerusalem Post quotes US Commander Lt.-Gen Frank Gorenc as saying the drill is not just an “exercise” but also a “deployment” that will involve “several thousand American soldiers” heading to Israel. Additionally, new command posts will be established by American forces in Israel and that country’s own IDF army will begin working from a base in Germany.
In September, the US European Command established a radar system in Israel.
With America previously equipping Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates with weaponry to wreck any chance of an Iranian nuclear weapon program from close by, the US will now have added forces on the ready in Israel and Germany under what Tehran fears is a guise being merely perpetrated as a test-run. RT reported last week that the US is equipping Saudi Arabia with nearly $30 billion F-15 war planes, a deal that comes shortly after Washington worked out a contract with Dubai to give the UAE advanced “bunker buster” bombs that could decimate underground nuclear operations in neighboring Iran.
Since the US surveillance mission over Iran that left overseas intelligence with a captured American drone aircraft, tensions have only escalated between the two nations. After Iran threatened to close down the Strait of Hormuz, a crucial path for the nation’s oil trade, the US dispatched 15,000 marines into the area.

How we got ... seconds, minutes, hours :hmmm:

mapuc

01-06-12, 01:49 PM

CCIP

01-06-12, 02:06 PM

I think you could also interpret it a different way, and say that the US moves right now are an attempt to deter Iran and Israel from making any sudden movements. With a presence in the gulf and boots on the ground in Israel, both of those sides may be less inclined to go at each other. I think that's a much smarter move than ignoring the situation and pretending that everything is alright and no troops need to be anywhere. And if Israel is getting an itchy finger, there's no better medicine for it than some material reassurance of its security.

The reality is also that while Iran 'believes' a lot of things, they're not actually that stupid and are not in any way above or beneath realpolitik and gunboat diplomacy. They're getting another message here.

Kaye T. Bai

01-06-12, 02:29 PM

PressTV and RT have been the only ones reporting on it, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

mapuc

01-06-12, 03:09 PM

PressTV and RT have been the only ones reporting on it, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

That's good, Always take a grain of salt when watching/hearing/reading the news

Markus

Skybird

01-06-12, 03:46 PM

Maybe it is what it says it is, a wargame. A wargame that have the purpose to send a warning to Iran.

The time is not right yet. I don't think the american people are ready for another war yet.

Markus
I think the question of when time is running out over the Iranian program, is not decided by the level of American public's readiness for war, but the working results produced in Iranian laboratories.

mapuc

01-06-12, 03:54 PM

According to a danish newspaper(bt.dk) England is sending one of it's Destroyer to the gulf in the middle east.

It's the HMS Daring

Markus
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GoldenRivet

01-06-12, 04:00 PM

Troubling developments, these are.

Sea Demon

01-06-12, 04:05 PM

I think you could also interpret it a different way, and say that the US moves right now are an attempt to deter Iran and Israel from making any sudden movements. With a presence in the gulf and boots on the ground in Israel, both of those sides may be less inclined to go at each other. I think that's a much smarter move than ignoring the situation and pretending that everything is alright and no troops need to be anywhere. And if Israel is getting an itchy finger, there's no better medicine for it than some material reassurance of its security.

I agree with this. Although I don't think boots on the ground in Israel will stop Iran from using it's proxy Hezbollah from causing trouble. Actually, I think putting troops here may provoke that action.

CCIP

01-06-12, 04:19 PM

I agree with this. Although I don't think boots on the ground in Israel will stop Iran from using it's proxy Hezbollah from causing trouble. Actually, I think putting troops here may provoke that action.

Who knows, though again, I honestly don't think Iran is looking for war with the US themselves. More than anything, the presence in Israel might help keep the Israelis calm is what I'm thinking. They're less likely to lash out at minor provocations by Iran and Hezbollah; otherwise if a 'big one' happens, then the US is guaranteed not to stand by idly.

Again, I think the bottom line is that neither the US nor Iran actually want this war. Israel doesn't want it either, but you can't blame them for getting nervous at the nuclear developments.

Frankly I'm not sure any of this is productive, but at this point I can see the US using every trick in the book short of actually pulling the plug on Iran themselves to prevent Israel from their near-inevitable attack on the nuke facilities. I don't think it'll work in the long term, but if the US administration is playing for time, that's all fair politics. The US will not stand idly by if and when the Iran-Israel confrontation happens. If you look at US politics right now, war in Iran would be very bad for everybody and would throw another wrench into economic recovery, not to mention the upcoming elections. It's a bad deal from every angle, for all parties involved. So of course it's militarily and politically a sensible thing for the US to do to try and stall it.

Oberon

01-06-12, 05:08 PM

According to a danish newspaper(bt.dk) England is sending one of it's Destroyer to the gulf in the middle east.

It's the HMS Daring

Markus
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Really? :o Must be something afoot then, that's the lead boat of our newest class. Top notch Anti-air system...if they can afford to load the missiles.
Looks like she was due to replace the Type-23 frigate on station in the Gulf.

Bit of an upgrade. :yep:

vienna

01-06-12, 05:45 PM

Although I don't think boots on the ground in Israel will stop Iran from using it's proxy Hezbollah from causing trouble. Actually, I think putting troops here may provoke that action.

You only have to recall the 1983 gross error of the Regan Administration in the posting of Marines/Army/Navy personnel in Beirut to see where putting boots on the ground is not always the deterrent some people would have us believe. I would be very much concerned for the safety of any U.S. troops placed in Israel with the purported intent of acting as a buffer. The Regan administration's response to the Beirut bomobing by invading Grenada 2 days later was also highly questionable, particularly since Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the bombing. What will we do if this time something if something happens to our troops?...invade Venezuela?...

magicstix

01-06-12, 05:51 PM

You only have to recall the 1983 gross error of the Regan Administration in the posting of Marines/Army/Navy personnel in Beirut to see where putting boots on the ground is not always the deterrent some people would have us believe. I would be very much concerned for the safety of any U.S. troops placed in Israel with the purported intent of acting as a buffer. The Regan administration's response to the Beirut bomobing by invading Grenada 2 days later was also highly questionable, particularly since Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the bombing. What will we do if this time something if something happens to our troops?...invade Venezuela?...

The idea that the US invaded Grenada over Beirut is somewhat ludicrous. We invaded because a friendly democratic government in our backyard was overthrown by an unfriendly government in our backyard as well as the (stated) goal of protecting American medical students in the country. Whether or not one agrees with the invasion of Grenada, tying it to Beirut in some sort of Cold War conspiracy theory is disingenuous.

Takeda Shingen

01-06-12, 06:02 PM

It's budget time. Got to make sure that defense spending stays up, right? Can't have those troops coming home.

Skybird

01-06-12, 06:11 PM

This is irony pure:

I just read in German edition of Der Spiegel that troops of a naval unit of the carrier group that just had left the Persian Gulf and was warned by the Iranians to return, has stormed and secured a kidnapped freighter, freeing 13 Iranian sailors from the hands of the Somali pirates.

:D

Teheran will not be happy about this. The US probably gets accused now of having prevented brave Iranian Muslims becoming martyrs. Burn USA!

mapuc

01-06-12, 06:19 PM

mapuc

01-06-12, 06:27 PM

Some one mentioned Hisbollah

I found this video on youtube. Don't know if it's true or what.

Could Hisbollah attack USA from Mexico if....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlZVvUZ8W0g

Markus

vienna

01-06-12, 06:27 PM

The idea that the US invaded Grenada over Beirut is somewhat ludicrous. We invaded because a friendly democratic government in our backyard was overthrown by an unfriendly government in our backyard as well as the (stated) goal of protecting American medical students in the country. Whether or not one agrees with the invasion of Grenada, tying it to Beirut in some sort of Cold War conspiracy theory is disingenuous.

Given the Regan administration's obsession with fighting the great "Evil Empire" and the 'connections' made by members of Regan's own inner circle that the USSR was somehow an instigator of the Islamic Jihad (very much akin to Geo. W.'s people's insistance on Iraq's instigation of 9/11), given the very, very rushed launching of the invasion (tourist maps in place of proper military maps...really?...); given the rather forced and farcical 'rescue' of US citizens (mainly medical students willingly on the island) who were not even aware they 'needed' rescuing; and, finally given how the Regan administration needed something to divert attention from the bonehead blunder in Beirut while also perpetuating the cowboy, tough guy image of the President, no, I really don't see how this is all disingenous...

BTW, take a look at other Regan/Bush I 'problems' (KAL 007, the USS Stark, etc) and the 'coincidental' look-over-here-not over-there actions taken afterwards; it rather strains the term 'coincidence'...

Skybird

01-06-12, 06:51 PM

von Kinderei

01-06-12, 08:32 PM

It would seem now that Iran plans naval exercises in the Hormuz Strait

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-hold-naval-drill-near-strait-hormuz-084142496.html

Tribesman

01-06-12, 09:09 PM

I found this video on youtube. Don't know if it's true or what.

Leaving aside the source, that is a rather lame re run of previously discredited bollox

mapuc

01-06-12, 09:35 PM

In a swedish newspaper(financial news)

I found this sentence

(Translatet by google)

"I fear we are headed for a crisis that nobody wants, says Helima Croft, senior geopolitical strategist at Barclays Capital, to CNBC."

The article was about the oil prices and how much it could increase, if Iran close the strait.

Markus

Oberon

01-06-12, 10:03 PM

That is going to be the one major problem, the one albatross in the ointment about any war with Iran. Oil prices will go mental, and we can barely afford the prices we're paying now...but if one oil tanker gets hit in the gulf then insurance rates go up, carrying costs go up, and the price at the pumps goes up.

Unless OPEC puts a cap on the price in order to prevent massive profiteering...

Yeah, who am I kidding? OPEC, biggest bunch of terrorists outside of Al'Qaeda... :damn:

TLAM Strike

01-06-12, 10:09 PM

Yeah, who am I kidding? OPEC, biggest bunch of terrorists outside of Al'Qaeda... :damn:

Wait a minute...

:shifty:

...No one is bigger than Congress! :O:

Oberon

01-06-12, 10:18 PM

Wait a minute...

:shifty:

...No one is bigger than Congress! :O:

Politicians are in a league of their own! :03:

Kongo Otto

01-06-12, 10:37 PM

This could be bad http://rt.com/usa/news/us-troops-israel-iran-257/

Quote:
Without much media attention, thousands of American troops are being deployed to Israel, and Iranian officials believe that this is the latest and most blatant warning that the US will soon be attacking Tehran.
Tensions between nations have been high in recent months and have only worsened in the weeks since early December when Iran hijacked and recovered an American drone aircraft. Many have speculated that a back-and-forth between the two countries will soon escalate Iran and the US into an all-out war, and that event might occur sooner than thought.
Under the Austere Challenge 12 drill scheduled for an undisclosed time during the next few weeks, the Israeli military will together with America host the largest-ever joint missile drill by the two countries. Following the installation of American troops near Iran***8217;s neighboring Strait of Hormuz and the reinforcing of nearby nations with US weapons, Tehran authorities are considering this not a test but the start of something much bigger.
In the testing, America's Theater High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD, missile system will be operating alongside its ship-based Aegis system and Israel's own program to work with Arrow, Patriot and Iron Drone missiles.

Israeli military officials say that the testing was planned before recent episodes involving the US and Iran. Of concern, however, is how the drill will require the deployment of thousands of American troops into Israel. The Jerusalem Post quotes US Commander Lt.-Gen Frank Gorenc as saying the drill is not just an ***8220;exercise***8221; but also a ***8220;deployment***8221; that will involve ***8220;several thousand American soldiers***8221; heading to Israel. Additionally, new command posts will be established by American forces in Israel and that country***8217;s own IDF army will begin working from a base in Germany.
In September, the US European Command established a radar system in Israel.
With America previously equipping Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates with weaponry to wreck any chance of an Iranian nuclear weapon program from close by, the US will now have added forces on the ready in Israel and Germany under what Tehran fears is a guise being merely perpetrated as a test-run. RT reported last week that the US is equipping Saudi Arabia with nearly $30 billion F-15 war planes, a deal that comes shortly after Washington worked out a contract with Dubai to give the UAE advanced ***8220;bunker buster***8221; bombs that could decimate underground nuclear operations in neighboring Iran.
Since the US surveillance mission over Iran that left overseas intelligence with a captured American drone aircraft, tensions have only escalated between the two nations. After Iran threatened to close down the Strait of Hormuz, a crucial path for the nation***8217;s oil trade, the US dispatched 15,000 marines into the area.

How we got ... seconds, minutes, hours :hmmm:

Taken from the above "News":

Additionally, new command posts will be established by American forces in Israel and that countrys own IDF army will begin working from a base in Germany.

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
But it has to be true, it was on the Intarnet.
:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:

Osmium Steele

01-09-12, 09:16 AM

the drill is not just an “exercise” but also a “deployment” that will involve “several thousand American soldiers” heading to Israel. Additionally, new command posts will be established by American forces in Israel and that country’s own IDF army will begin working from a base in Germany.

This is the telling paragraph. US CPs in Israel during the drill make perfect sense considering the size of the US force on the ground, but the establishment of an IDF post in Germany smells a bit more permanent.

It appears an infrastructure is being built, but for what eventuality?