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soopaman2

12-19-11, 11:54 AM

So we can all get the same website filters as China does?

Nice...

We need a fascist corporate driven society, would do well, just ask Mussollini and his mistress.

I don't support thievery, but I do not support surrendering one of the few things in this country still free, and untouched by government, and political correctness.

Sure, zap the piracy sites...Oh that blogger is speaking bad about us, zap him too. Oh these people are organizing a lawful protest, kill the facebook and twitter accounts. Oh darn look! There goes all our liberties..

Once you give up a liberty you never get it back. Once you give up one, they try to take more..

Patriot act is never ever going away, and it only gets worse as we approach our destiny with outright corporate fascism.(this crap is worldwide mind you)

Keep privatizing public services, go ahead...It never gets cheaper. Someone gets richer in those deals, but too few to support the public good.

Keep it up... We are bringin it on ourselves by passively allowing it.

Dowly

12-19-11, 11:59 AM

Yeh, almost every "big" internet video/review maker has chimed in on this, trying to make people aware of the ridiculous law.

I actually watched around 4-5 hours of the hearings and all that time, the most that was talked about was "we really should get someone here who knows this stuff, because we don't have any idea".

So yeah, GJ. :doh:

I'm at school atm (aye, busy day :O:), but when I get home I'll pop a video I found to be pretty spot on about this all.

Rilder

12-19-11, 11:59 AM

Herr-Berbunch

12-19-11, 11:59 AM

:o

:-?

:nope:

12-19-11, 12:03 PM

Heard about it on the news here.
I cant believe such law can be passed in current form.:damn:

Task Force

12-19-11, 12:04 PM

The government is also going out of its way to waste money on outright false propaganda about piracy that even the computer-illiterate wouldn't believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQFnSnhg7U

Seriously, what kinda nutjob conceived of that ad?

Why does bad guy always have Russian accent? eh comrade?

So me Pirating a movie makes a child work in a sweatshop, where in china? thats no new news.

Hell, buying something from Wallmart is more likely to make a little kid work in a factory than pirating a movie.

mookiemookie

12-19-11, 12:27 PM

The government is also going out of its way to waste money on outright false propaganda about piracy that even the computer-illiterate wouldn't believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQFnSnhg7U

Seriously, what kinda nutjob conceived of that ad?

The alternative is to give your money to the large media companies who use their influence to try and get feces like SOPA rammed through Congress. That outcome is just as bad.

Jimbuna

12-19-11, 01:10 PM

Another form of censorship some might say.

soopaman2

12-19-11, 01:21 PM

Another form of censorship some might say.

My fear exactly, Mr. Buna.

It is as if the normal citizenry cannot be trusted to use good judgement.

Like video games, we all gotta use some rubbish added .exe (u play for instance) just to verify (online) that you can play the game. Ubisoft is not the only company guilty.

But if you look on (self deleted) or (self deleted) or even (self deleted), you can find unlocked versions less than 24 hours after the game is out.

Yet if my internet is taking a poop. I am just beat, cheaters play on though.
It don't pay to be honest, you pay more than the crooks in the end

Then again look at our worldwide government... It is kinda the same isn't it...No refund too, just like these games..

Dowly

12-19-11, 01:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM&feature=g-all-lik&context=G21f0a64FAAAAAAAAKAA

Actually, this was the video I was about to post, couldn't check the video at school. Very well put as usual from TB. :yep:

Another thing that I remember from watching the hearings was that there was
a lot of concern how well the proper procedure would be followed when blocking sites. Especially because it is just cheaper and easier to just block a site
than it is to contact them and so on.

What if, at some point, they figure that "Hey, we don't need to do this manually!
Let's use a contect ID bot like Youtube does and have it block sites if more than X
cases of copyright infringement is found!" :dead:

Heck, in a very extreme case, Subsim could be blocked due to various mods
that offer, for example, copyrighted music.

It's just so effing stupid. :damn:

The best thing I remember from the hearings is when some a bit younger guy
(can't recall names) says: "Right, the thing is, DNS blocking isn't all that effective.
I have a statement here from someone who knows this stuff and he says it can
be circumvented." To which another guys simply says: "Oh yea? Well, I don't believe you." :dead:

Oberon

12-19-11, 01:53 PM

It was your liking of the vid that made me watch it to begin with Dowly, so I guess the whole 'like this to spread the word' works ;)

I have to shake my head in disbelief of some of the buzz lines of the new anti-piracy drive. "Pirate DVDs help fund terrorism!" It's like they went through the archives from the McCarthy era, and replaced "Communists" with "Terrorists"

http://www.twopotscreamer.com/images/when_you_pirate_mp3s_you%27re_downloading_communis m.jpg

Ducimus

12-19-11, 02:07 PM

Considering we have the best government money can buy, I won't be surprised if it's passed.

kraznyi_oktjabr

12-19-11, 03:51 PM

Considering we have the best government money can buy, I won't be surprised if it's passed.I can't decide whether I should laugh or cry... :doh:

Herr-Berbunch

12-19-11, 03:59 PM

Considering we have the best government money can buy...

:har:

It would be even funnier if I thought you believed it.

Jimbuna

12-19-11, 04:19 PM

Considering we have the best government money can buy, I won't be surprised if it's passed.

Literally...in every sense of the word :doh:

Penguin

12-20-11, 11:10 AM

An important lesson I learned in my IT law class some time ago:
"US lawyers tend to think that American laws are valid worldwide."
Now even more true than ever. :dead:

Dowly

12-20-11, 08:26 PM

SOPA Cabana (by Dan Bull):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6GtwOvnWM

Oberon

12-21-11, 03:46 PM

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2134110/sopa-hearing-postponed

Let's hope that the time between now and then can be used by the opponents of the bill to build up their firepower. :yep:

I-25

12-21-11, 04:12 PM

Glad my ISP is Mexican:cool:

Ducimus

12-21-11, 04:59 PM

Glad my ISP is Mexican:cool:

Where your ISP is, won't matter.

Blood_splat

12-27-11, 08:48 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc&context=C3e51769ADOEgsToPDskJy6gqt-QYzPo-mFpwnAHOU

Check out this video on it.

Dowly

12-27-11, 11:33 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc&context=C3e51769ADOEgsToPDskJy6gqt-QYzPo-mFpwnAHOU

Check out this video on it.

On what? It definitely wasn't about SOPA. :doh:

danny60

12-27-11, 01:35 PM

So, this bill basically gives the US the right to block ANY site hosted in ANY country? If thats true, then surely under the US's own legislation, then its classed as a act of war, because the US classes any web attack on its servers a act of war.

August

12-27-11, 01:42 PM

Betonov

12-27-11, 01:48 PM

"Blocking" is not the same thing as "attacking".

That's true, but a blocade is still an act of war

mapuc

12-27-11, 05:23 PM

I guess that depends on so much. Lets say that the US-government block an american in posting anti american words on a german forum. For me that's not an act of war it's an act of increasing the free speec and writting.

Markus

I-25

12-27-11, 06:41 PM

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/1257904_700b_v1.jpg

mapuc

12-27-11, 07:32 PM

These laws came in order to protect the American people
and to prevent another terrorist attack on American soil.

That's what I have been told.

Markus

August

12-27-11, 08:49 PM

These laws came in order to protect the American people
and to prevent another terrorist attack on American soil.

That's what I have been told.

Markus

You get told some very odd things... :yep:

flatsixes

12-28-11, 10:11 AM

I suspect that there are about 3,000 legal challenges to SOPA already on their 3rd or 4th drafts. Sure hope I can get me a piece of that action before the SCOTUS finally sends this thing to the dust bin.

soopaman2

12-28-11, 11:29 AM

You assume that they do not have corporate interests in mind.

The Citizens United Decicion shows otherwise.

The common man is screwed as long as these monkeys in our 3 branches monopolize power.

flatsixes

12-28-11, 12:13 PM

You assume that they do not have corporate interests in mind.

The Citizens United Decicion shows otherwise.

The common man is screwed as long as these monkeys in our 3 branches monopolize power.

As to your first statement: You are correct.
As to your second: I disagree.
As to your third: Vote.

soopaman2

12-28-11, 01:41 PM

As to your first statement: You are correct.
As to your second: I disagree.
As to your third: Vote.

1::salute:

2: We can agree to disagree. That decision gives more power to foreign corporations than the common citizen of America.

3: I do, and every time I do, I get screwed by the same old stuff. I am non partisan in my votes, and still. Same old garbage, just a different letter by the name (D or R)

Sad state of affairs really.:nope:

Rilder

01-01-12, 07:13 AM

http://youtu.be/uvXo4sGB7zM

Yeah, pretty much, bloody politicians. Can we start a revolution yet?

Krauter

01-18-12, 12:27 AM

:damn: Wikipedia.. Search something on Wikipedia and it results in something to do with SOPA...

Rilder

01-18-12, 12:33 AM

Its a simulation of what would happen if SOPA passed.

There is a way to get around wikipedia's blackout if you aren't using Internet Exploder but I'm not going to post that here, people need to be informed about what's at stake with that bill.

darius359au

01-18-12, 01:10 AM

There's a lot of sites going black in protest of sopa over the next 24 hours.

Hottentot

01-18-12, 01:30 AM

Huh? There was an article in the news about Wikipedia's blackout today, but when I try it, it works just fine for me. I feel left out.

CCIP

01-18-12, 01:32 AM

Huh? There was an article in the news about Wikipedia's blackout today, but when I try it, it works just fine for me. I feel left out.

Try refreshing? Or are you using a non-English version of wiki?

Russian wiki works just fine for example, although has a big banner about SOPA at the top.

Hottentot

01-18-12, 01:39 AM

Try refreshing? Or are you using a non-English version of wiki?

Nope, it's English Wikipedia and refreshing makes no difference. Funny. It even says on the main page's banner that the Wikipedia is locked due to the SOPA/PIPA Blackout, but all the articles show up just fine.

razark

01-18-12, 02:00 AM

Does your browser block javascript? If you're blocking scripts, wikipedia will work normally, from what I understand.

Hottentot

01-18-12, 02:40 AM

Yeah, that seemed to do the trick. Yay, I'm in the gang. :DL

Spoon 11th

01-18-12, 03:40 AM

I have javascript enabled and en.wikipedia works just fine. It's got something to do with temporary CSS layer that is blocking the article. Using Opera with author CSS disabled shows the article.

Hottentot

01-18-12, 04:11 AM

I had to put NoScript on Firefix to "Allow all on this page" mode before it got blocked: just "Allow Javascript" didn't do the trick.

jumpy

01-18-12, 06:35 AM

http://sopastrike.com/

&

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout

should let you know what's what.

mookiemookie

01-18-12, 08:27 AM

I'm glad to see Wikipedia putting its money where its mouth is on this issue. Good on them!

August

01-18-12, 08:29 AM

I'm glad to see Wikipedia putting its money where its mouth is on this issue. Good on them!

Agree, and it looks like they will be successful in at least getting this bill modified.

Krauter

01-18-12, 08:30 AM

SOPA has broken the Internet :(

mookiemookie

01-18-12, 08:55 AM

SOPA has broken the Internet :(

It will if it, or a similar bill, passes.

the_tyrant

01-18-12, 09:18 AM

just google what you want

and when you see the link to the wikipedia article, click on the "cached copy" next to the link

and you get the wikipedia article

CCIP

01-18-12, 11:08 AM

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

I like what they did there :D

August

01-18-12, 11:09 AM

I just noticed that you can view Wiki pages if you press the stop loading button once the page you want comes up but before the black banner page appears.

Biggles

01-18-12, 11:11 AM

Anything that works against SOPA is good in my books. Carry on! :salute:

USS Drum

01-18-12, 01:16 PM

I just noticed that you can view Wiki pages if you press the stop loading button once the page you want comes up but before the black banner page appears.

Tried it works perfectly.

soopaman2

01-18-12, 01:32 PM

It proves a great point.

Today it is piracy sites. Tommorrow it is sites being critical of the government. The next day it is media sites, and after that, we are like China.

Do a website search of Tienammen sqaure in America, then in China... The results are vastly different.

SOPA may be about piracy now, but once you surrender a right, it is never given back....

I forgot how conservative this board is..I am sorry...

God bless the patriot act.

Yamato_NF

01-18-12, 01:40 PM

SOPA got me pissed off royally,
we have freedom as americans to speech, writing, and opinion.
why can the government take that away with this bill?
its a buncha crap if you ask me... :nope:
why can the government control the internet when no one does?
ridiculous and ludicrous if you ask me,
Again, NO ONE controls the internet!!! :damn:
my opinion is that we should join the strike,
(Neal, if your there, check this out: http://www.sopastrike.com)
All in favor, just give a sign that you say yes! lets go on strike!
WHOS WITH ME?! :stare:

soopaman2

01-18-12, 01:46 PM

I can't wait until they censor the news, and black out sites featuring unpopular speech.

Serves you liberal scum right.

I love the patriot act, and I love George Bush. I want to be like China, where the government decides my fate.

USS Drum

01-18-12, 01:47 PM

Me.

If the republicans can pass this bill then what will happen to wiki and it's infinite knowledge? what will happen to Subsim?

DOWN WITH SOPA!!!!!

Dowly

01-18-12, 01:48 PM

Already a thread about SOPA here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=190715

soopaman2

01-18-12, 02:02 PM

Me.

If the republicans can pass this bill then what will happen to wiki and it's infinite knowledge? what will happen to Subsim?

DOWN WITH SOPA!!!!!

You hate Obama and say so?

Boom! BANHAMMER!

You critisize a war?

BOOM! BANHAMMER!

You speak bad about a supreme court nominee?

BOOM! KISS YOUR WEBSITE GOODBYE!

So why does this not concern more folks here...

Unless you agree with it, because you think it will only be restricted to/ used against piracy sites.

Nieve.

All websites are threatened by this, including this one.

USS Drum

01-18-12, 03:12 PM

Uhhhh... what? can't you see I'm against it.

soopaman2

01-18-12, 03:16 PM

Uhhhh... what? can't you see I'm against it.

Yeah!:salute:

I was simply using your comments as a catapult for a few worse case scenarios.

Sad thing is, this will be passed. Thanks to RIAA, and MPAA lobbies, who got nothing better to spend the money they pilfer from artists on. (except buying our legislators)

August

01-18-12, 03:21 PM

Today it is piracy sites. Tommorrow it is sites being critical of the government. The next day it is media sites, and after that, we are like China.

Assuming that the media sites aren't already on the government bandwagon:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsf8s5sg8z1qan65to1_500.jpg

soopaman2

01-18-12, 03:25 PM

Assuming that the media sites aren't already on the government bandwagon:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsf8s5sg8z1qan65to1_500.jpg

OWS is still evil August. Your point is valid, but any article painting those pinkos as positive is bad. Even if it is in mockery.

Your pic is interfering with my fascism.

The lawyers for the Koch brothers will be contacting you shortly, as well as execution squads, should your answers not be satisfactory.

Sieg Hiel

Oberon

01-18-12, 03:29 PM

And you just know that if this does pass it'll be used as a springboard for other governments to launch their own SOPA/PIPA style legislation.

OBEY.

Blood_splat

01-18-12, 03:33 PM

These lobbyist want to bring us back to the 80's and 90's. NOOOOOooooo!!!

August

01-18-12, 03:36 PM

OWS is still evil August. Your point is valid, but any article painting those pinkos as positive is bad. Even if it is in mockery.

Your pic is interfering with my fascism.

The lawyers for the Koch brothers will be contacting you shortly, as well as execution squads, should your answers not be satisfactory.

Sieg Hiel

:DL Well like I said before I won't be accepting their surrender. I don't have the room to take them all prisoner.

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsG/6716.gif

soopaman2

01-18-12, 04:05 PM

These lobbyist want to bring us back to the 80's and 90's. NOOOOOooooo!!!

These same folks hated us making "mix tapes" back then..Only now they are getting their way.

America! Land of the moneyed, and home of the rich.
Screw all the proles.

Cake would be too good for you poor, unworthy, hence unrepresented bastards.

mookiemookie

01-18-12, 04:08 PM

You want to see something funny...read Fox News' version (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/18/wikipedia-goes-dark-for-24-hours-to-protest-us-web-piracy-bills/?test=latestnews) of the internet blackout story. Talk about a slanted view.

It says about Wikipedia's blackout:

But the online encyclopedia's blackout is a line-in-the-sand action -- and it isn't sitting well with some of its volunteer editors. "Some"? How many is "some"? It presents this fact like there's a huge controversy because Wikipedia just went ahead and made this decision on it's own. It didn't. It was voted on by Wikipedia editors. So obviously "some" is a minority if the motion to black the site out passed.

"My main concern is that it puts the organization in the role of advocacy, and that's a slippery slope," said editor Robert Lawton, a Michigan computer consultant who would prefer that the encyclopedia stick to being a neutral repository of knowledge. "Before we know it, we're blacked out because we want to save the whales."
It's a slippery slope all right - a slippery slope fallacy. If Robert can't tell the difference between making a statement about an issue that affects the existence of Wikipedia itself and one that doesn't, he's got some issues.

The article goes on to say:

The shutdown adds to a very vocal body of critics who are speaking out against the legislation. But the bill's many supporters -- including the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and News Corp., the parent company of FoxNews.com -- argue that those critics simply misunderstand the bill.
Great, so it presents their side of the argument - that these people are uninformed whiners. But it says nothing about the critics of the bill - webmasters, net security experts, even Vint Cerf, one of the guys who worked on the Internet while it was still a DARPA project. I think these guys know what they're talking about. No mention at all of the intellectual cache of those opposed. Just repeat the same stock answer the SOPA proponents use when any criticism is levelled against the bill - "oh you just don't understand it."

And then, counting it out we have a one sentence quote from a Google spokesperson against SOPA, and another one from Jimmy Wales about how Wikipedia is still neutral. But then we have quotes from Chris Dodd, Robert Lawton, Timothy Lee and Dick Costello who are all critical of the blackout. Fair and balanced, hmm?

Social news website Reddit.com is shutting down for 12 hours on Wednesday as well, but most companies are staying up. Oh get that? Most sites are staying up. You hear that guys, everything's cool because most of the millions of websites that exist are still up. We can still see the menu at Jim Bob's Pancake House, and Aunt Nelly didn't blackout her website full of the kid's pictures. Just nevermind these small time whiners like Google, Wikipedia, Reddit, Craigslist, Boingboing, Wordpress...

soopaman2

01-18-12, 04:18 PM

Dear Mr. Mookiemookie,

I appreciate you reading our website but due to new laws, I am forced to ask you lay on your stomach with both hands behind your head, until a representative from Homeland Security (with a silenced pistol) can be there to "process" you.

While we Rupert Murdoch butt-huggers appreciate open discussion, due to federal law we are forced to execute you.

Until then please feel free to watch the 100th season of the Simpsons on our channel, we will be talking about why rights are overrated, as Homer and family discovers, that George Orwell was full of crap.

Just keep jacking off to Megyn Kelly, the facts will be irrelivant. (sp)

Your pal,
Rupert.

Takeda Shingen

01-18-12, 04:34 PM

Just keep jacking off to Megyn Kelly, the facts will be irrelivant. (sp)

:haha: +1 for you.

I have always thought that about FOX News. It's like they're saying 'Just watch the boobs and the legs. Let the words sink in.'

Penguin

01-18-12, 04:41 PM

mookiemookie

01-18-12, 04:47 PM

If SOPA/PIPA passes, and some content creator (Ubisoft) decides that mods are infringements of their copyright on Silent Hunter, is it possible that Subsim could be a target of a cease and desist? Shut down even?

It certainly seems like it would run afoul of the part where a site could be nailed it it were "primarily as a means for engaging in, enabling, or facilitating the activities" of copyright infringement or counterfeit products; or if the site is designed by its operator "as a means for engaging in, enabling, or facilitating the activities" of copyright infringement or counterfeit products.

soopaman2

01-18-12, 04:52 PM

The fact that some people were surprised about this action by wikipedia and didn't know about it beforehand, shows only how much need there is for internet protest. German wiki states in it's article about SOPA that the mayor American news outlets nearly made no reports about this law. Those outlets who run big stories about any fart J-Lo utters. One should not wonder about this though, as their owners support this stupid bill.

I find Google's doodle for the US kind of cool:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1363/sopa12hp.png

Also it's fine that they ask their users to take action: https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

German Google has nothing about SOPA though, no droodle, no link :down:

I hate to sound like a cocky American Turd, who thinks the world revolves around us, but this law will hurt the world as a whole.

The crippling of information, is the impedment of human progress.

If this goes over, I put my checking account on similar laws in your Euro havens coming soon after.

Then we can all just use censored baidu, and be happy in ignorant bliss.

Maybe the Chinese will share the "bad" words with us, so we know what not to search so we won't be arrested indefinitely under the patriot act

Penguin

01-18-12, 05:08 PM

If SOPA/PIPA passes, and some content creator (Ubisoft) decides that mods are infringements of their copyright on Silent Hunter, is it possible that Subsim could be a target of a cease and desist? Shut down even?

And this is what makes the SOPA so ridiculous and reveals the lies of the creators. I think it is already today possible, under current US laws, to do a cease and desist if a site host materials that infringes copyrights.

I hate to sound like a cocky American Turd, who thinks the world revolves around us, but this law will hurt the world as a whole.

The crippling of information, is the impedment of human progress.

This is why we are also outraged in Europe, as the majority of DNS servers are located in the US. So a law that some old farts in America propose, people who would certainly print out a webpage by putting their monitors onto a Xerox, would indeed have a global impact.
For example the German Piratenpartei (www.piratenpartei.de) (pirate party) does the same as wiki with their page today, as a sign of solidarity and to show that this law would also cripple us in the Old World.

Platapus

01-18-12, 05:26 PM

:damn: Wikipedia.. Search something on Wikipedia and it results in something to do with SOPA...

The question is, why be dependent on only one site (wikipedia)?

I do a lot of open source research as part of my job, Wikipedia going down only cause a slight inconvenience.

soopaman2

01-18-12, 05:43 PM

The question is, why be dependent on only one site (wikipedia)?

I do a lot of open source research as part of my job, Wikipedia going down only cause a slight inconvenience.

I know your on our side, just using your comments as a jumping off point to encourage thought.

One site in a million, right?

Until another one, and another one.

We get pretty uppity against Euro and American governments here, how long before Mr. Stevens loses his site, because President Palin thinks we are being silly? Or El Jefe, of Crapistan does not like his mass grave photos being distributed, or Chairman Mao don't want good images of the Dalai Lama being shown...(wait, that censorship is already happening)....

Anyways.

I like to trash China and Russia. But that is where most the piracy sites are based...

Maybe we are the authoritarians...:)

TLAM Strike

01-18-12, 06:07 PM

OWS is still evil August. Almost as evil as the NYT! :O:

Your pic is interfering with my fascism.^Quote of the day! :har:

If SOPA/PIPA passes, and some content creator (Ubisoft) decides that mods are infringements of their copyright on Silent Hunter, is it possible that Subsim could be a target of a cease and desist? Shut down even?
We all might be hanging out on Subsim.ca at that point.

razark

01-18-12, 06:14 PM

AI think it is already today possible, under current US laws, to do a cease and desist if a site host materials that infringes copyrights.
Having worked for a certain server hosting company, Ubisoft wouldn't even need to contact Neal. They can simply send a notice to the company that Neal rents the server from, and that company will unplug the server from the network until such time as the complaint is dealt with.

krashkart

01-18-12, 06:17 PM

Heard on NPR this afternoon that the bill has lost support in Congress.

reaper7

01-18-12, 06:41 PM

Quote "Be a HERO and Help STOP SOPA Now!! I'll tell you How! This Video that Must Be SHARED!"

http://youtu.be/WJIuYgIvKsc

Kptlt. Neuerburg

01-18-12, 06:59 PM

<images deleted, NeonSamurai>
Just my two cents.

August

01-18-12, 07:18 PM

Heard on NPR this afternoon that the bill has lost support in Congress.

Yeah in it's present form, but it will be back as sure as casino bills in spite of consistent overwhelming public opposition.

The entertainment industry will happily sue teenagers for millions, to me that says there is no limit to what they will do to maintain their empire of crap.

soopaman2

01-18-12, 07:50 PM

Yeah in it's present form, but it will be back as sure as casino bills in spite of consistent overwhelming public opposition.

The entertainment industry will happily sue teenagers for millions, to me that says there is no limit to what they will do to maintain their empire of crap.

Yeah, they will bury it in a truly important bill, just so it can't be voted down.

Or they will shove it up our rectums like they did with the Patriot act.
Smile and love it, or you are not patriotic, move to Russia, you America hating swine.

Remember, big brother has your best interests at heart. Now scream at the telescreen. Emmanuel Goldstein is a bad man.

We are at war with Oceania, and winning.
Trust us, trust our news

We are watching...Big brother is watching.

AngusJS

01-18-12, 08:30 PM

http://youtu.be/uvXo4sGB7zM

Yeah, pretty much, bloody politicians. Can we start a revolution yet?That has to be one of the best Downfall videos out there. The Disney line is pure brilliance.

Every American should call their senators and representative about this. I've done it, and it only takes a few minutes. Many of our Congressmen are too stupid or too venal to do the right thing on their own, so you have to do what you can to force them.

Dowly

01-18-12, 11:55 PM

Quote "Be a HERO and Help STOP SOPA Now!! I'll tell you How! This Video that Must Be SHARED!"

http://youtu.be/WJIuYgIvKsc

Someone posted that earlier already and I must ask the same question I did then:
What exactly is it about? It's definitily has very little to do with SOPA. :-?

TotalBiscuit can give a better explain on what's wrong with that video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HriNzsp89lM

magicstix

01-18-12, 11:57 PM

http://twitpic.com/88ueqz

:D

PeriscopeDepth

01-19-12, 01:22 AM

Computers (and especially networked computers) are starting to annoy the people that are actually in charge.

Relevant article ("Lockdown: The coming war on general-purpose computing"):
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html

The article is a bit on the extreme side I think, but something to consider when these sorts of restrictions are considered being made law by one of the most powerful countries on the planet.

PD

TarJak

01-19-12, 03:39 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

SOPA like all censorship is a bad idea. Hope the US congress comes to its senses and kicks this one to the kerb.

antikristuseke

01-19-12, 04:59 AM

Here is another good video on the subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LEb_D2SD3k&feature=g-u-u&context=G2195c87FUAAAAAAAFAA

jumpy

01-19-12, 08:06 AM

Seems like every now and then some means of knowledge is created with the aim to give as much access to ordinary people as possible, but is always in direct conflict with the big boys of the day.

Way back when, when all knowledge was the preserve of the church, and it's representatives administered its power in a language, who's teaching was withheld from the common man, and therefore his understanding and (more crucially) his interpretation of the word of god was forbidden, men were killed to prevent the sweeping tide of the printed word and translation into the common tongue, the words of the bible.
Quite simply, the church did all it could to keep its grip on knowledge and power at all costs. How this held back understanding and progress of the great thinkers of the renaissance and others is unknown, but it is reasonable to surmise that ideas and thought could have evolved along certain lines much sooner that they did, were it not for the grip of the church and its narrow view of the status quo.
With the translation of the bible, came education toward the written and spoken word, which in turn gave way to more unorthodox ideas of science and mathematics, physics and philosophy... in short, progress that led to what we are today.

I think the internet and the freedom of knowledge that it represents is no less portentous than the advent of the printed word and its translation from a dead language to the common tongue, of the bible all those centuries ago. It is no surprise, therefore, that the vested powers of the day will try and subvert this new power and deny the change and the future it represents at all costs, for their status and elevation depend upon their dominance of certain media, without which their supremacy is utterly void. Perhaps, then, it is no shock that they would attempt to preserve and avert the death of what makes them what they are, radically opposed to the change that is inevitable, unstoppable and as certain as the changes and decent from ascendency the church experienced all those years ago.

We confuse the issue with small things like rights of ownership and pecuniary obligation, but the root cause of it all is control of knowledge and by extension, power; arguments over the former minutia occlude the latter in a deliberately calculated double bluff.
Funny that we repeat ourselves so often. Maybe the strictures of our social systems leave no room for other means of growth to the future.

Vive la revolution!

Oberon

01-19-12, 08:15 AM

Well said Jumpy, and Penguin I love your sig! :rock:

Catfish

01-19-12, 08:26 AM

Indeed well said, Jumpy !

A good video (i think) to understand SOPA, and PIPA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LEb_D2SD3k&feature=player_embedded

Greetings,
Catfish

Krauter

01-19-12, 08:48 AM

The question is, why be dependent on only one site (wikipedia)?

I do a lot of open source research as part of my job, Wikipedia going down only cause a slight inconvenience.

Mainly I use it if I want to quickly search for something (actor, movie, historical event) as it presents a general overview of the event with a lot of links to other sites as well as other information on wiki itself

krashkart

01-19-12, 08:51 AM

Yeah in it's present form, but it will be back as sure as casino bills in spite of consistent overwhelming public opposition.

We can trust that it will, and it will probably stink just as much as SOPA v0.010. :doh:

Blood_splat

01-19-12, 09:08 AM

I was just about to post that video.

krashkart

01-19-12, 09:19 AM

I actually watched around 4-5 hours of the hearings and all that time, the most that was talked about was "we really should get someone here who knows this stuff, because we don't have any idea".

This is what prevents war, keeps the economy running smoothly, creates jobs, funds education, et cetera, et cetera. :yeah:

NeonSamurai

01-19-12, 04:05 PM

Just an FYI but all 3 SOPA related threads have now been merged together.

soopaman2

01-19-12, 04:20 PM

To oppose SOPA and PIPA is being spun into advocacy for thievery by our beloved legislative branch.
Same way if you opposed the war in Afghanistan you were not patriotic, and hated the troops.

I read an article about it on MSNBC website, and there was a disclaimer at the bottom of the article. Why I read that sewer I do not know...:nope:

I can't quote it exactly but it read somewhat along the lines that MSNBC is a partnership between Microsoft and NBC (comcast who owns 51%..GE owns the other 49% if you care) does not agree with the protests while Microsoft does.

It turned my stomach, I cannot decipher why it did exactly.

I am done smashing the conservative press only, I lost all faith in all the press. Open game on anyone.