3 Islamic Militants sentenced to 18 years for intent...

[TarJak]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/hang-your-heads-in-shame-judge-tells-terrorist-plotters-20111216-1oyst.html

Interesting precedent case of Australia's recent anti-terrorism laws has now closed with the sentencing of the 3. These three were convicted of plotting with intent to kill as many Australian soldiers at Holsworthy Barracks as they could before being subdued.

[Jimbuna]

Fattal, Aweys and El Sayed were all ordered to serve a minimum of 13 years and six months before they will become eligible for parole.


Is that all!! :o

[Reece]

Covert recordings were played that outlined their plan and detailed their extreme religious and political views, and an expressed hatred of Australian people and non-Muslims.
Got what they deserve!:nope:

[TLAM Strike]

Consider them soldiers of an enemy army and intern them as POWs until the war is over. ;)

[Tribesman]

Consider them soldiers of an enemy army and intern them as POWs until the war is over.
Consider them as the criminals they are, put them in prison for their crimes ....and what would be nice after that is deporting them to some real third world crap hole.

[BossMark]

Consider them as the criminals they are, put them in prison for their crimes ....and what would be nice after that is deporting them to some real third world crap hole.
Guess they will be staying in Australia then. :haha::har:

[TarJak]

Guess they will be staying in Australia then. :haha::har:
Send 'em back to Leeds where they came from I say.:O::D

[Tribesman]

Guess they will be staying in Australia then.
I was tempted to suggest Whyalla

[Jimbuna]

LOL :DL

[1480]

Wow, the Aussies had the stones to call a spade a spade.....

Looking at the Fort Hood mass murder, even though there were reports the shooter had been considered a follower of the radical Islam movement and shouted "Allah Akbar" when he started shooting , the Obama administration considered it a hostile workplace incident..... amazing :nope:

[TLAM Strike]

Consider them as the criminals they are, put them in prison for their crimes ....and what would be nice after that is deporting them to some real third world crap hole.
Too bad most 3rd world crap holes would treat them as heroes or simply have another terrorist group around that they could join up with.

[Tribesman]

Looking at the Fort Hood mass murder, even though there were reports the shooter had been considered a follower of the radical Islam movement and shouted "Allah Akbar" when he started shooting , the Obama administration considered it a hostile workplace incident..... amazing
And the prize goes to.....1480:yeah:
I did wonder how long before someone posted that nonsense story that is doing the rounds:rotfl2:

[TarJak]

And the big difference in this case is that these blokes didn't actuallly do anything but plot to do something.

[1480]

And the prize goes to.....1480:yeah:
I did wonder how long before someone posted that nonsense story that is doing the rounds:rotfl2:

Exactly how is it nonsense? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck it must be an alligator.....:up:

[Tribesman]

Exactly how is it nonsense?
It was nonsense when it did the rounds back in February and it is nonsense still now that Fox revived it again after Collins lame attempt to play politics in commitee last week.

So for this revival.
The report dosen't say what she claims it does.
It is a bi-partisan thing not an Obama thing (unless you consider somone appointed under Ford, promoted by Reagan and working directly under G.H.Bush as an Obama puppet).
The letter she produced actually contradicts the claims she made.
The leading democrat on the commitee answered her claims straight away in a manner which should have put her nonsense right back in the bin where it belongs.
Admiral Clark had already dealt with all that nonsense about the report months ago.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck it must be an alligator.....
That sums up your position very well, sorry to break it to ya but it is indeed a duck and you are calling it a 'gator

[1480]

It was nonsense when it did the rounds back in February and it is nonsense still now that Fox revived it again after Collins lame attempt to play politics in commitee last week.

So for this revival.
The report dosen't say what she claims it does.
It is a bi-partisan thing not an Obama thing (unless you consider somone appointed under Ford, promoted by Reagan and working directly under G.H.Bush as an Obama puppet).
The letter she produced actually contradicts the claims she made.
The leading democrat on the commitee answered her claims straight away in a manner which should have put her nonsense right back in the bin where it belongs.
Admiral Clark had already dealt with all that nonsense about the report months ago.


That sums up your position very well, sorry to break it to ya but it is indeed a duck and you are calling it a 'gator

I forgot, anyone without the initials GWB gets a pass in your clouded world.

Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" -- an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" -- before opening fire Thursday, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander. He said officials had not confirmed Hasan made the comment.

Quoted directly from the bastion of conservative Christian values:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/fort-hood-shootings-7-dea_n_347366.html

From three weeks ago, via AP, not Fox news:

U.S. officials have said they believe Hasan's attack was inspired by the radical U.S.-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and that the two men exchanged as many as 20 emails. Al-Awlaki was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen in late September. Army prosecutors have never mentioned the cleric's name in any hearings in the criminal case against Hasan.

http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting

In one episode, Hasan reportedly gave a class presentation questioning whether the U.S.-led war on terror was actually a war on Islam. And fellow students said he suggested that Shariah, or Islamic law, trumped the Constitution, and that he also attempted to justify suicide bombings.



Firebrand righty Joe Liberman:

Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Politicians,+Government+Officials,+Strategists/U.S.+Senators/Joe+Lieberman) added that the discipline meted out by McHugh will "send a clear message to everyone that the Army will not tolerate such negligence and passivity in reaction to clear signs that a soldier is radicalizing to Islamist extremism."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2011-03-10-fort-hood-shooting_N.htm

[MH]

What ever Obama or some admiral said about this case was lower the flame....that is to downplay the Islamic issue.

[Tribesman]

Well done 1480, you manage to provide a pile of links which shoot down your own arguement:up:
Interestingly you also provide one which shows how important it is to avoid the politicians and journalists hype over the events.

I forgot, anyone without the initials GWB gets a pass in your clouded world.
Politicians are pricks, its what they are, the only thing that makes GW stand out as a bigger pillock is that he foolishly launched a stupid and pointless war at a time when it was vital to concentrate on the real war against the nuts.

What ever Obama or some admiral said about this case was lower the flame....that is to downplay the Islamic issue.
No, the issue was the workplace safety report due to the law suits for negligence, the review has to be complete ie. it even goes into domestic violence in quarters as they are all a workplace and they have to cover their ass from the lawyers for all eventualities.

[TarJak]

Marvellous how a story about an AUSTRALIAN incident has turned into an argument about Americans.:88)

[Betonov]

Marvellous how a story about an AUSTRALIAN incident has turned into an argument about Americans.:88)

Between an American and an Irishman ;)

[Sailor Steve]

Marvellous how a story about an AUSTRALIAN incident has turned into an argument about Americans.:88)
But...but...but...aren't we the center of the universe? I mean, just being from Yankville automatically makes me better than any of you...foreigners. I know this to be true because Archie Bunker told me so. :O:

[Jimbuna]

Must be something in the text....again!!

[soopaman2]

But...but...but...aren't we the center of the universe? I mean, just being from Yankville automatically makes me better than any of you...foreigners. I know this to be true because Archie Bunker told me so. :O:


Now now Mr. Steve. Archie Bunker is an American hero. The world could learn from him.

And we are the center of the universe. Since the rest of the world blames us for everything, ya know?:yeah::damn:

[Tribesman]

And we are the center of the universe. Since the rest of the world blames us for everything, ya know?
I wonder how easy it is to blame Clinton for this Australian story:hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Now now Mr. Steve. Archie Bunker is an American hero. The world could learn from him.
Aw jeeeeez, don't misconscrew what I'm tryin' to say here.
:rotfl2:

[TarJak]

I wonder how easy it is to blame Clinton for this Australian story:hmmm:
I blame Bush.:O:

[Tribesman]

I blame Bush.
Its Somalis so Clinton can take the blame, it's good to share it round:yeah:
In which case who gets the blame for the trouble you lot were having at the beach, Carter or Reagan? Or even Bush '41 in his earlier job.

[1480]

Well done 1480, you manage to provide a pile of links which shoot down your own arguement:up:
Interestingly you also provide one which shows how important it is to avoid the politicians and journalists hype over the events.


Politicians are pricks, its what they are, the only thing that makes GW stand out as a bigger pillock is that he foolishly launched a stupid and pointless war at a time when it was vital to concentrate on the real war against the nuts.


No, the issue was the workplace safety report due to the law suits for negligence, the review has to be complete ie. it even goes into domestic violence in quarters as they are all a workplace and they have to cover their ass from the lawyers for all eventualities.

I agree with your assessment on the pols. Journalists should be exchanged for sensationalists.

Though I did find a small hole in your last theory:


Can I sue the U.S. (including the military and the federal government) if I am injured or my loved one is killed during regular active duty military service?
You cannot bring a lawsuits against the U.S. for injuries or deaths that occur during active duty military service. The U.S. is protected by ***8220;sovereign immunity;***8221; this means the U.S. cannot be sued for incidents that occur during active duty service unless the U.S. agrees to the lawsuit or otherwise waives its immunity.


Can I sue the U.S. if I am injured or my loved one is killed during active duty military service due to mistakes or accidents by the military?

The U.S. is protected from lawsuits for injury or death that occur during active duty military service, even if your injury is due to mistakes made by the military. The Feres Doctrine prevents lawsuits filed by active duty service members, even when the military has acted negligently. For instance, if you are injured because the military mistakenly failed to warn you of a dangerous condition involved in your active duty work, such as the presence of radioactive materials, you cannot sue the U.S.


What if the mistakes or accidents are caused by other service members?


The Feres Doctrine prevents lawsuits against negligent service members as well. For example, if you are injured because a military electrician installed faulty wiring on base that started a fire, you would not be able to sue the either U.S. or the military electrician. The same is true of active duty service members injured by the mistake of a military doctor.
It appears to be 2 civilian employees and 11 active duty members.

You would be fun to debate if you didn't use double speak so much :O:


And to the rest of you'se guys! I am American therefore, a gun toting Christian, who thinks the world revolves around moi and don't hate the playa, hate the game!

[1480]

I wonder how easy it is to blame Clinton for this Australian story:hmmm:

Looking for tail?

[TarJak]

And to the rest of you'se guys! I am American therefore, a gun toting Christian, who thinks the world revolves around moi and don't hate the playa, hate the game!
Thereby reinforcing everyone else's concept of the sterotypical Amero-centric septic.

Good on ya mate.

Actually blame the Danes: http://www.smh.com.au/national/danish-cartoon-sparked-fanatics-plot-to-kill-aussies-20111218-1p0h6.html

[Tribesman]

Though I did find a small hole in your last theory:

That is attempting to cover how the FTCA partially removes that soveriegn immunity.
It is under that act that the 80+ current suits over this incident were launched.
The problem you have with the Feres doctrine plugging the hole created by the FTCA is that it is always being challenged and each time more ifs and buts are added to the rulings and ifs and buts build up.

[1480]

Thereby reinforcing everyone else's concept of the sterotypical Amero-centric septic.

Good on ya mate.

Actually blame the Danes: http://www.smh.com.au/national/danish-cartoon-sparked-fanatics-plot-to-kill-aussies-20111218-1p0h6.html


If you can't poke fun of yourself, who else are you going to pick on? McBee is the exception though.

[1480]

That is attempting to cover how the FTCA partially removes that soveriegn immunity.
It is under that act that the 80+ current suits over this incident were launched.
The problem you have with the Feres doctrine plugging the hole created by the FTCA is that it is always being challenged and each time more ifs and buts are added to the rulings and ifs and buts build up.

if ands or buts are the meat and potatoes of lawyers. the neat little fraternity that continue to remain that or grow up to become judges and/or our favorite parasite, the politician....

[Tribesman]

if ands or buts are the meat and potatoes of lawyers.
Which is why the supreme court says the politicians need to write those laws again so it is clearer when and where the limited soveriegn immunity can be applied and when it isn't so the cases don't have to go through all the expense of going through all the courts before ending up in the top one.