What would Jesus do?: The rise of a slogan

[Gerald]

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The Occupy movement has become the latest to use the slogan "what would Jesus do?", something that has been questioned by the Archbishop of Canterbury. But where did the slogan come from and is there ever an answer to the question posed, asks Stephen Tomkins.Like all the most enduring slogans, "what would Jesus do?" has inspired countless rewrites. There has been everything from political parody - anti-war T-shirts asking "who would Jesus bomb?" - to the beyond parody such as the "what would Jesus eat?" biblical diet plan. The original question "what would Jesus do?" has been taken seriously by millions of Christian teenagers who have worn it over the last 20 years as a reminder to live their life in the right way. But it's now been co-opted by protesters outside London's St Paul's Cathedral threatened with eviction. Particularly in the US, but also elsewhere, it's on wristbands, mugs, T-shirts, bumper stickers, necklaces and earrings, though most of those seem rather to defeat the purpose of reminding the owner about anything.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16068178


Note: 8 December 2011 Last updated at 00:51 GMT

[1480]

What would Jesus do?

Bathe

Work

Treat others as you want to be treated.....

[mookiemookie]

Feed the poor. Turn over the money changers tables in the Temple.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Facepalm, probably. :D

http://londonparticulars.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/jesus_facepalm.jpg?w=300&h=289

[Betonov]

I don't know what he'd do, but I'll tell you what he wouldn't do. Anything that is decreed holly by the fat cats in Vatican

[Ducimus]

http://www.catholica.com.au/ianstake/images/RealJesus_500x320.jpg


Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Gerald]

^Time to shaving Ducimus, :arrgh!:

[CCIP]

Bathe

Work

I dunno, what makes you say that Jesus did much of that in his later life? :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

What would Jesus do?

Bathe

Work

Treat others as you want to be treated.....
Preach the gospel full-time, except when busy washing others' feet and, as already mentioned, feeding the poor.

[Jimbuna]

What would Jesus do?

Bathe

Work

Treat others as you want to be treated.....

I'll add stop all worldwde conflict to that.

[Herr-Berbunch]

I'll add stop all worldwde conflict to that.


Yeah, keep it closer to home! :doh:

[Dowly]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/Finnish_Ferret/Jebus.gif

Obviously.

[Sea Demon]

Feed the poor. Turn over the money changers tables in the Temple.

Not by using government as a vehicle of redistribution. Jesus did not advocate forced governmental "charity". Nor did he advocate "feeding the poor" by using a voting booth as a means to give away other people's money and things. Christ's commandments about the poor are PERSONAL responsibilities, not a collective responsibility. And the leftists perverts this to fit their desire to feel good about themselves for "caring" without actually making any personal effort or sacrifice.

[1480]

I dunno, what makes you say that Jesus did much of that in his later life? :hmmm:


Dunno, it's merely a supposition on my part. Kind of a sarcastic retort towards the OWS unwashed masses. Along with getting a job and not infringing upon others as they are.

[1480]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/Finnish_Ferret/Jebus.gif

Obviously.


Burn ye blasphemer!!!! :har:

[Tribesman]

Not by using government as a vehicle of redistribution. Jesus did not advocate forced governmental "charity".
Its rather a silly question as it would seem pretty obvious you are talking out your rear end? But to give you a chance to show you are not talking complete crap can you please supply some scripture to back up that nonsense?

[Sea Demon]

Its rather a silly question as it would seem pretty obvious you are talking out your rear end? But to give you a chance to show you are not talking complete crap can you please supply some scripture to back up that nonsense?

I'll tell you what...Show me the verse where Jesus ever said “give your money to Cesar so Cesar can redistribute it according to the dictates of his conscience”! and we'll talk.

[Sailor Steve]

And the leftists perverts this to fit their desire to feel good about themselves for "caring" without actually making any personal effort or sacrifice.
I see that you're one of these self-proclaimed "Christians" who spends all his time proving that his version is the correct one, and none of it actually proclaiming the Gospel.

[Oberon]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAiu3L9tNp1nmqnolmpx86gr_M3bUha KO8OB-aP-Xmkj-twTBrnPn7eIzLFA

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, keep it closer to home! :doh:

I certainly couldn't live on just bread and fish :doh:

[Oberon]

I see that you're one of these self-proclaimed "Christians" who spends all his time proving that his version is the correct one, and none of it actually proclaiming the Gospel.

http://www.northernsun.com/images/imagelarge/I-Like-Your-Christ-Gandhi-Bumper-Sticker-%287026%29.jpg

[Sea Demon]

I see that you're one of these self-proclaimed "Christians" who spends all his time proving that his version is the correct one, and none of it actually proclaiming the Gospel.

Well no. I just find the perversion of the message of Christ and the awkward twisting of it with political socialism as disturbing. One not need be a dedicated Christian to be able to have read and comprehended what the message of Christ was. Christ's commandments about the poor are PERSONAL responsibilities, not a collective responsibility. The rich man was supposed to go sell his possessions and give the money to the poor of his own free will, not have a Government take the money from him and dole it out.

Plus if Christ were a socialist he would have never called Matthew away from his job as a tax collector. There is much in the Bible to disprove the claims of those seeking to rebrand Christ as a Marxist.

[Sailor Steve]

Fair enough. :sunny:

[Tribesman]

I'll tell you what...Show me the verse where Jesus ever said “give your money to Cesar so Cesar can redistribute it according to the dictates of his conscience”! and we'll talk.
So you are one of those "christians" then:har::har::har::har:
Why is it the "christians" are always shouting about Christianity:hmmm:

So young man what did that Jewish carpenter who said be nice to people say about giving money to Ceasar?

I just find the perversion of the message of Christ
You are certainly perverted in that sense.

One not need be a dedicated Christian to be able to have read and comprehended what the message of Christ was.
But you are not a Christian let alone a dedicated one, you are one of those "christians" who seem to have neither read or comprehended.:yep:

Plus if Christ were a socialist he would have never called Matthew away from his job as a tax collector.
I am sure in an alternate universe far far away that might make some sort of sense

Once again its the dodgy ones making the most noise:down:

[mookiemookie]

So you are one of those "christians" then:har::har::har::har:
Why is it the "christians" are always shouting about Christianity:hmmm:

So young man what did that Jewish carpenter who said be nice to people say about giving money to Ceasar?


You are certainly perverted in that sense.


But you are not a Christian let alone a dedicated one, you are one of those "christians" who seem to have neither read or comprehended.:yep:


I am sure in an alternate universe far far away that might make some sort of sense

Once again its the dodgy ones making the most noise:down:

EDIT: Ah nevermind. I'll be better than that.

[geetrue]

"What would Jesus do"?

I think it's a song I heard at a Cavary Chapel (Chuck Smith church) back in the late 80's

Jesus said, "I must be about my fathers business"

That business includes love one another, forgive one another and hold no grudges aginst one another :yep:

Jesus would love his enemies and heal anyone with faith even a Roman officer's servant was healed due to the Roman officer's faith.

Jesus would be looking for those looking for him and rejecting those that reject him.

Jesus would be a joyful giver :D

Jesus would be the seed sower :yeah:

Jesus would not fret (it only causes harm) :cry:

Jesus would tell the truth and only the truth, so help me God :sunny:

Jesus is a lot like General Douglas MacArthur. :arrgh!:

Who is reported to have said, quoting the General

"A better world shall emerge based on faith and understanding"

"Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul"

and like General MacArthur Jesus even said, "I shall return"

"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it"

[Ducimus]

There's all sorts of groups and ideology's out there that use Christ, the bible, and christiantiy in general to further their own ideas or agenda's. From Democrat's, to Republicans, right on down the gutter to white supremacist and racist groups. Personally, i'm disgusted by it all. They all preach compassion, and understanding, yet the posses none of these qualities themselves. So, excuse me while I not pay attention to ANYONE who pulls out the Christ card in any way, shape, form, capacity, or context.

[CCIP]

Jesus is a lot like General Douglas MacArthur. :arrgh!:



Good Lord I hope that's not accurate! :dead:

Jesus was certainly not a pompous, oft-erring military megalomaniac who was about to nuke China when he was finally relieved.

[mookiemookie]

There's all sorts of groups and ideology's out there that use Christ, the bible, and christiantiy in general to further their own ideas or agenda's. From Democrat's, to Republicans, right on down the gutter to white supremacist and racist groups. Personally, i'm disgusted by it all. They all preach compassion, and understanding, yet the posses none of these qualities themselves. So, excuse me while I not pay attention to ANYONE who pulls out the Christ card in any way, shape, form, capacity, or context.

Good point. Everyone wants the moral high ground, and what higher ground to try and take than Jesus?

[Sea Demon]

I just think it's funny that he took so much issue with what I said (citing two things that Jesus, you know, actually did) that it caused him to launch into this political tirade. To him, it seems like anything that can be remotely linked to any sort of politics that aren't hard right is like throwing gasoline on a fire.

I didn't take issue with what you said mookie. I take issue with the context. Especially in light of what the occupy movement intends to do with the WWJD message. I take issue with those wishing to try to rebrand Christ as a political marxist when he actually was very far removed from politics. What is being attempted with the WWJD message is delusional at best.

Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor.

Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor’s money to the poor.


This ain't rocket science.

[Tribesman]

I just think it's funny that he took so much issue with what I said (citing two things that Jesus, you know, actually did) that it caused him to launch into this political tirade.
I think its funny that he must know he screwed himself up but is still digging himself deeper trying to stand by it

[Sea Demon]

There's all sorts of groups and ideology's out there that use Christ, the bible, and christiantiy in general to further their own ideas or agenda's. From Democrat's, to Republicans, right on down the gutter to white supremacist and racist groups. Personally, i'm disgusted by it all. They all preach compassion, and understanding, yet the posses none of these qualities themselves. So, excuse me while I not pay attention to ANYONE who pulls out the Christ card in any way, shape, form, capacity, or context.

Good points and I agree. That's why I'm disgusted with the occupy movement doing this.

[geetrue]

Good Lord I hope that's not accurate! :dead:

Jesus was certainly not a pompous, oft-erring military megalomaniac who was about to nuke China when he was finally relieved.

True, but Jesus said to his own disciples about their faith, "How much longer do I have to put up with you oh ye men of little faith"

actually I just threw him in there. because I like and respect him plus he said, "I'll shall return"

Sure Mac was wrong about nuclear warfare to nuke China with ten nukes, but it took another man of God, Harry Truman, to stop him.

As for the 99% people they sure don't act like Christians, down in Oakland is the closes one on my TV, to me.

[Penguin]

I see: a discussion goes like this now:
claiming something and when asked for something to back up that claim, saying: "Oh, you can't proof the opposite!" :06:

So lefties can't be Christians, because they all see Jesus as a socialist, and some German guy said 150 years ago that religion is opium for the masses? Or are all left Christians thus Junkies?
:hmmm: a mystery



And the leftists perverts this to fit their desire to feel good about themselves for "caring" without actually making any personal effort or sacrifice.


Oh yes, because it's all only righties who work without pay in organizations for the poor, just the same as only conservatives are affected by taxes. And of course it's the right that are the only ones who do voluntary donations... :har:

Wow, living in a b/w world must be so much fun!

[nikimcbee]

WWJD?
I dunno, what does the internetz say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taih2zUOmIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkPgYbdQ1kQ

probably the most telling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryYE9ZkvlXg&feature=related

okay, so it's hard to tell.

[nikimcbee]

Besides we all need to submit to allah's will.

What would allah do?

[mookiemookie]

I didn't take issue with what you said mookie. I take issue with the context. Especially in light of what the occupy movement intends to do with the WWJD message. I take issue with those wishing to try to rebrand Christ as a political marxist when he actually was very far removed from politics. What is being attempted with the WWJD message is delusional at best.

Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor.

Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor’s money to the poor.


This ain't rocket science.

You obviously didn't read the article. Aside from a passing mention of politics in the beginning of the piece, it had nothing to do with anything that you're railing on about. And neither did anything I said. I could have said "driven out demons" or "have a brother named James" and nothing would have changed. I literally named two things Jesus would (did) do.

[mookiemookie]

Besides we all need to submit to allah's will.

What would allah do?

Take a 9 year old as a bride. Own slaves.

[Hottentot]

I could have said "driven out demons" or "have a brother named James" and nothing would have changed. I literally named two things Jesus would (did) do.

It seems to be that time of the decade again. ;)

[geetrue]

Take a 9 year old as a bride. Own slaves.

Believe in 13 virgins waiting for you in heaven :-?

[CCIP]

Well, because this thread devolved into projecting politics onto Jesus, I think it deserves this song to be spammed over and over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-PX2Z4r-e4

[nikimcbee]

Believe in 13 virgins waiting for you in heaven :-?

...all too easy.:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S7ddl1tGg4

[geetrue]

Youse guys with high speed are all alike ...

I bet you even twitter :har:

[nikimcbee]

I bet you even twitter :har:

Now those are fightin words! I do not twitter!:dead:

[Takeda Shingen]

A lot of the consternation that I see from the right on this matter is along the lines of "hey, that's our thing, get your own". I don't see why the left should not be given a chance to pervert Christianity. The right has been doing it for years.

[Ducimus]

A lot of the consternation that I see from the right on this matter is along the lines of "hey, that's our thing, get your own". I don't see why the left should not be given a chance to pervert Christianity. The right has been doing it for years.

:o ....... :har:

[kiwi_2005]

Feed the poor. Turn over the money changers tables in the Temple.

and heal the sick. There's plenty of sickos that need healing :yep: :)

[Sailor Steve]

I think its funny that he must know he screwed himself up but is still digging himself deeper trying to stand by it
Actually he's become more clear, and made some decent points. I may disagree with him in some respects, but in this case I'll admit he's arguing his own feelings and being honest about it. Also, I'll apologize.

You, on the other hand, have done nothing but insult. I know that if I ask you to give an honest debate you'll just say he doesn't deserve it, but if you can't give an honest debate, why say anything at all?

[mookiemookie]

and heal the sick. There's plenty of sickos that need healing :yep: :)

I'm gonna hold out for the turning water into wine bit.

[CCIP]

A lot of the consternation that I see from the right on this matter is along the lines of "hey, that's our thing, get your own". I don't see why the left should not be given a chance to pervert Christianity. The right has been doing it for years.

Touche :haha:

[MothBalls]

WWJD?

He would tell you that debating religion in an Internet forum is futile.

Then he would lock the thread.

[CCIP]

WWJD?

He would tell you that debating religion in an Internet forum is futile.

Then he would lock the thread.

Jesus is a mod? :o

[Takeda Shingen]

Jesus is a mod? :o

I wonder what Jesus' forum moniker would be.

[Tribesman]

You, on the other hand, have done nothing but insult. I know that if I ask you to give an honest debate you'll just say he doesn't deserve it, but if you can't give an honest debate, why say anything at all?
Incredibly steve you screwed up, this particular topic and the relevant passages from scripture have already been done when someone else made the same claims Demon did....in that case it also went on into charity.:up:
So in this case "why not give an hoinest debate" is answered ...because the "christian" making claims is about as christian as bhuddas big toe and hasn't got a clue but just a vague notion of what he doesn't like, which is why he was unable to back up his views when he was invited.
I mean seriously he could have possibly even made an attempt to make the teachings he is on about fit his arguement, the bible is good like that you can take snippets and piece them together to convey most arguements in a way that will survive a very very brief scrutiny....but he didn't even know enough scripture to do that and the lame attempt about Matthew is laughable given the wealth of passages about tax collecters in the gospels.

[1480]

I wonder what Jesus' forum moniker would be.

baredakross - eyewalkonwater - maryslillamb - reborn72 - nazarethj - kingojuice - goldenrulestir - jhc1225 - whatsogoodboutfriday - numbatoo -
sonnovagod - theoriginalbastard

[Jimbuna]

I wonder what Jesus' forum moniker would be.



:O:

[Jimbuna]

I wonder what Jesus' forum moniker would be.

http://joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/jlu_asshat.jpg

:O:

[Ducimus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FigprdcBGA

[Sailor Steve]

Jesus is a mod? :o
I always thought he was a rocker. :O:

[Jimbuna]

I always thought he was a rocker. :O:

I gave that up after I married :O:

[Sailor Steve]

Incredibly steve you screwed up, this particular topic and the relevant passages from scripture have already been done when someone else made the same claims Demon did....in that case it also went on into charity.:up:
Nothing incredible about it; I screw up all the time.

That said, it doesn't really matter what arguments have been made before. You are arguably one of the most intelligent members on these boards, well-read and well-informed, and when you actually enter a debate your knowledge and references are without peer.

On the other hand you have a nasty habit of dropping all pretence of intellectual authority and stooping as low as possible, sniping at people for no good reason and insulting anyone you please, and always try to justify it with a simple "They deserve it". Maybe they do and maybe they don't, but the rest of us don't deserve to be subjected to this kind of childish game-playing. Please try to get a clue.

[Jimbuna]

Nothing incredible about it; I screw up all the time.

That said, it doesn't really matter what arguments have been made before. You are arguably one of the most intelligent members on these boards, well-read and well-informed, and when you actually enter a debate your knowledge and references are without peer.

On the other hand you have a nasty habit of dropping all pretence of intellectual authority and stooping as low as possible, sniping at people for no good reason and insulting anyone you please, and always try to justify it with a simple "They deserve it". Maybe they do and maybe they don't, but the rest of us don't deserve to be subjected to this kind of childish game-playing. Please try to get a clue.

And so it should cease to be the norm.....whilst agreeing with Steve and doing my level best to recognise your positions/opinions I am asking that you conduct some restraint because bad post reports are becoming a common factor and as such I would rather a modicum of common sense and understanding could prevail.

You are a worthwhile contributor sir....but this forum deserves a little more consideration toward all contributors.

Can we all not agree to disagree but in a respective manner?

[Tribesman]

You are arguably one of the most intelligent members on these boards, well-read and well-informed, and when you actually enter a debate your knowledge and references are without peer.

Now you are talking rubbish, I am as thick as pig.....errrrr.....excrement and know it.

I am asking that you conduct some restraint because bad post reports are becoming a common factor and as such I would rather a modicum of common sense and understanding could prevail.

I am practising restraint. It just often doesn't appear that way

[Jimbuna]

I am practising restraint. It just often doesn't appear that way

I am betting you are better than that...meet me half way bonny lad :DL

Otherwise your limiting my options and I'm ever hopeful we are on a similar wavelength :sunny:

[geetrue]

I wonder what Jesus' forum moniker would be.

geetrue

[Sailor Steve]

Boys, I think we may be in trouble.









Or else Geetrue is.

[Sailor Steve]

Now you are talking rubbish, I am as thick as pig.....errrrr.....excrement and know it.
Whenever I trot out my favorite saying, "Some people are born stupid. I've had to work hard all my life to get this way...and I'm proud of the job I've done!", there is usually someone who will tell me I'm not stupid. And I know I'm not, which is why I feel so free to say it.

I know you're not either, and so do you. Keep smiling, play a little nicer and we'll all be a little happier.




Except me, but that's another story. :sunny:

[Spoon 11th]

Jesus stole my bike.

[August]

I don't know what he'd do, but I'll tell you what he wouldn't do. Anything that is decreed holly by the fat cats in Vatican


Tell me more. This is the only holly that I know of::D

http://www.flowersociety.org/images/holly-berry.jpg

[Betonov]

Tell me more. This is the only holly that I know of::D

http://www.flowersociety.org/images/holly-berry.jpg

Ups, I believe it is HOLY :DL

And I'm sure the cardinals would even pervert the goodnes of this little plant :nope:

[Tribesman]

Jesus stole my bike.
seek and ye shall find it and when you do ask and it shall be given unto you.

I am betting you are better than that...meet me half way bonny lad
@Jim
By that I meant I am practising, just very slow on the improvement and often slip backwards.


Whenever I trot out my favorite saying, "Some people are born stupid. I've had to work hard all my life to get this way...and I'm proud of the job I've done!", there is usually someone who will tell me I'm not stupid. And I know I'm not, which is why I feel so free to say it.
@Steve. I have a different view, humans are stupid, it is what humans are, acknowledging that is a basic step, people who don't think they are stupid are unable or unwilling to take the first basic step at addressing and living with their natural state.

[August]

Ups, I believe it is HOLY :DL

And I'm sure the cardinals would even pervert the goodnes of this little plant :nope:


:DL Just don't eat the berries!

[Blood_splat]

Jesus would be killed immediately by our world governments. :O:

[Takeda Shingen]

Jesus would probably have a hard time being heard over the roar of the multitudes of people telling trying to tell everyone else what Jesus actually meant.

[mookiemookie]

Jesus would need a PR firm

[Penguin]

I always thought he was a rocker. :O:

long hair, beard, sandals, talking about peace... this reminds me slightly of another subculture... :hmmm:


Boys, I think we may be in trouble.


Or else Geetrue is.

Hey, leave my son alone or I'll let it rain frogs in SLC! :|\\

[Sailor Steve]

@Steve. I have a different view, humans are stupid, it is what humans are, acknowledging that is a basic step, people who don't think they are stupid are unable or unwilling to take the first basic step at addressing and living with their natural state.
Everything is relative, my son.

In some ways I agree with you, and sometimes I think the world can safely be divided into those who admit it and those who don't. :sunny:

[Sailor Steve]

long hair, beard, sandals, talking about peace... this reminds me slightly of another subculture... :hmmm:
Actually I was thinking of the '60s British youth culture, in which the two leading groups called themselves 'mods' and 'rockers'. In the film A Hard Day's Night Ringo Starr is asked "Are you a mod or a rocker?" Ringo answers "I consider myself more of a 'mocker'."

[Betonov]

:DL Just don't eat the berries!

Hell no !!!

I'll ferment them :yep:

[Penguin]

Actually I was thinking of the '60s British youth culture, in which the two leading groups called themselves 'mods' and 'rockers'.

I know mate, that's why I was referring to the Beatniks/Hippies. :know:

In the film A Hard Day's Night Ringo Starr is asked "Are you a mod or a rocker?" Ringo answers "I consider myself more of a 'mocker'."
:haha: never watched the film - good answer by Ringo!

[Sailor Steve]

I know mate, that's why I was referring to the Beatniks/Hippies. :know:
Oops...I did it again. :oops:


:haha: never watched the film - good answer by Ringo!
Both Beatles movies directed by Richard Lester are full of that kind of humor.

[Tribesman]

Everything is relative, my son.

isn't that when your son is also your uncle and your brother?

[AVGWarhawk]

isn't that when your son is also your uncle and your brother?

In West Virginia. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

isn't that when your son is also your uncle and your brother?
:yep:

In West Virginia. :O:
And Ireland, apparently. :D

[Randomizer]

Jesus would need a PR firm
... that does business in Aramaic.

[Jimbuna]

Actually I was thinking of the '60s British youth culture, in which the two leading groups called themselves 'mods' and 'rockers'. In the film A Hard Day's Night Ringo Starr is asked "Are you a mod or a rocker?" Ringo answers "I consider myself more of a 'mocker'."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEI2UUhVEn4

[sidslotm]

What would Jesus do, I don't now, but He would not make a political statement, and He would not judge the rich. :yeah:

the rich are free to spend, hoard or give as much as they like, the poor will always be with us.

seasons greetings and good will to you all. :up:

[Blood_splat]

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1108/republican-jesus-republican-jesus-teach-dumpster-dive-politics-1313721702.jpg

[Takeda Shingen]

What would Jesus do, I don't now, but He would not make a political statement, and He would not judge the rich. :yeah:

the rich are free to spend, hoard or give as much as they like, the poor will always be with us.

Not trying to start a thing with you, but that is pretty much the opposite of what he said.

[sidslotm]

Not trying to start a thing with you, but that is pretty much the opposite of what he said.

A lot of people including myself for many years thought this way as well. Exsample Jesus was not Judgeing the Pharisees when He had a pop at them by calling them hypocrits, because they were hypocrits.

When I read these verses again after my mistake was pointed out to me by a kindly man, I saw that just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics, so don't worry about starting a thing with me. :har: maybe Jesus will make a disciple out you yet and greater things will you do.:yeah:

[Hottentot]

Exsample Jesus was not Judgeing the Pharisees when He had a pop at them by calling them hypocrits, because they were hypocrits.

[snip]

just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics

Is the following a statement?

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles. Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.Edit: And before someone wants to point out the obvious, no, it's not from the Bible and therefore not directly related to Jesus. I'm just curious of how a "statement" is defined in the above case.

[yubba]

What would Jesus do, well I know he wouldn't be walking around like an atheist on christmas day.:doh:

[joegrundman]

What would Jesus do, well I know he wouldn't be walking around like an atheist on christmas day.:doh:

yes, on christmas day he was singing Happy Birthday, obviously:88)

[sidslotm]

Is the following a statement?

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles


Yeah, a political statement by the looks of it, but it's failing is because it should have asking the question " Why " why are we still like this after all these centuries.

why did Cain kill his brother Able when Cain seemed to had it all ? :doh:

[Hottentot]

Yeah, a political statement by the looks of it

So we can't say that Marx is not judging the rich people, but simply having a pop at them by calling them oppressors because they were oppressors?

[Takeda Shingen]

A lot of people including myself for many years thought this way as well. Exsample Jesus was not Judgeing the Pharisees when He had a pop at them by calling them hypocrits, because they were hypocrits.

When I read these verses again after my mistake was pointed out to me by a kindly man, I saw that just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics, so don't worry about starting a thing with me. :har: maybe Jesus will make a disciple out you yet and greater things will you do.:yeah:

I am not talking about the Pharisees, although I think that you are wrong in your analysis there as well. I am talking about the beatitudes, both in Matthew and Luke.

From the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5: 3-12, NIV:

3 ***8220;Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 ***8220;Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

From The Sermon on the Plain, Luke 6: 20-22, NIV:

20 Looking at his disciples, he said:
***8220;Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.
22 Blessed are you when people hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Son of Man.

And then the 'woes' from Luke 6: 24-26, NIV:

24 ***8220;But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.
26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you,
for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.

Now, no wise man spoke to me, but from reading this words from some of Jesus' most famous teachings, it is pretty obvious where Jesus says God's judgement will fall. Also, given that his command to his disciples was to litterally give away everything they own, renounce the physical and come follow, I don't think that your argument about Jesus and the rich holds any water at all.

[Tribesman]

I saw that just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics
Since when has politics been judgement?
So according to you politics is judgement not statement???????:doh:
there are a hell of a lot of statements in politics, there is also a severe lack of judgement in both action and statement.

I don't think that your argument about Jesus and the rich holds any water at all
but if you turn that water into wine it may hold better

[sidslotm]

There are two main reasons why Jesus came to rescue mankind,

to free us from the bondage of our sin, that we might return to living in the Presence of God again.

Also to free us from our law. This is why he did not judge the rich man, but told him if he wanted to follow, he should give all his money away to the poor. Jesus could have quoted many OT scripture here to ram hope the point, but He did'nt, that would have been subjugating the rich man to law of the OT, but instead He highighted the rich mans problem, money.

When moses was given the commandments of Gods law, there were ten, by the time Jesus turned up to free us from this, there were over 600 laws people had to live under, thats without Roman law. We are meant and designed to live by consent, not law.

Jesus gave us friendship and fellowship with each other,
the Greeks turned His work into a philosophy,
the Romans turned His work into an institution,
Europeans then turned His teaching into a way of life,
the Americans turned the word into enterprise.

Back to square one, back under law. :up: hope this helps

The "Shootist" a great quote "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be layed a hand on, I don't do these things to others, I require the same from them" consent in action.

[Tribesman]

When moses was given the commandments of Gods law, there were ten, by the time Jesus turned up to free us from this, there were over 600 laws people had to live under, thats without Roman law. We are meant and designed to live by consent, not law.

Wow:doh:

[Hottentot]

Wow:doh:

:sign_yeah:

[Rockstar]

And the second commandment is

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xKyZYY3ILeI/Sh3isKP519I/AAAAAAAAACA/3eolcn4Fd7o/s400/johnwayne2.jpg

[geetrue]

Jesus said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’

What would Jesus really do?

Forgive you :hmmm: