Pearl Harbor Day: 12-07-2011 [Archive] - SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

Sailor Steve

12-06-11, 09:16 PM

I know, :know: but here it is.

I have not mentioned the word contest, and my ties to what happened, then is strong for several reasons, and I felt that there were grounds for a post .... or wait until the time zone is correct, which I can not do because of jobs.
I know, and this time I was just teasing. Yes, we do know about it and tomorrow everyone will be saying so, so you've done nothing wrong.

Thanks for showing support for us, and thanks for reminding us, whether we think we need it or not! :sunny:

Of course two hours and twenty minutes of my day tomorrow will be spent watching Tora! Tora! Tora! :rock:

Gerald

12-06-11, 09:21 PM

I know, and this time I was just teasing. Yes, we do know about it and tomorrow everyone will be saying so, so you've done nothing wrong.

Thanks for showing support for us, and thanks for reminding us, whether we think we need it or not! :sunny:

Of course two hours and twenty minutes of my day tomorrow will be spent watching Tora! Tora! Tora! :rock: Thanks for those kind words Steve, :sunny:

kiwi_2005

12-06-11, 09:26 PM

Time for me to go watch 'Saving Private Ryan' for like the 17th time.

Sledgehammer427

12-06-11, 09:29 PM

which I can not do because of jobs.
because of jobs
because of jobs

http://www.yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/steve-jobs1.jpg

you don't say

EDIT: Couldnt resist! :P
I can tell the lady giving me a job interview tomorrow that 70 years ago as she and I are talking Pearl Harbor was being attacked.

August

12-06-11, 09:29 PM

Tora Tora Tora sounds like a fine idea. Thanks Steve!

BTW Pearl Harbor rememberers: Hawaii is GMT-10 hours.

That means 7:48am Hawaiian time is 12:48PM US Eastern time. Or in other words the bombs started dropping right after lunchtime 70 years ago tomorrow.

frau kaleun

12-06-11, 09:34 PM

Time for me to go watch 'Saving Private Ryan' for like the 17th time.

:rotfl2:

Sorry to laugh but that movie came up today and someone said (regarding D-Day) "oh that's coming up tomorrow!" Uh, no. Wrong anniversary.

On a somewhat related note, I was talking to one of my fellow kenpo students about it (the movie) a couple weeks back and he told me about some guy he used to work with. He and my friend had both recently seen the movie and were talking about it, and the other guy asked if it was a true story. My friend started to say, well, there was a thing with one family where the brothers were all killed, but it was a different situation, and the Private Ryan in the movie was a fictional character and his story was made up for the movie, etc. The other guy interrupted him and said, no, I mean that whole thing with the beaches and Normandy and the war in France and all that...

:damn:

This guy was an adult with at least a high school edumacation and HE DID NOT KNOW THAT WORLD WAR II WAS A REAL THING.

So altho some of us don't need reminding, there are some people who need a whole lot more than that. :nope:

Gerald

12-06-11, 09:34 PM

http://www.yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/steve-jobs1.jpg

you don't say

EDIT: Couldnt resist! :P
I can tell the lady giving me a job interview tomorrow that 70 years ago as she and I are talking Pearl Harbor was being attacked. I say WORK,Instead,so it will not be "misunderstanding" :arrgh!: Say hello from me, and ya get what ya want!

kiwi_2005

12-06-11, 09:41 PM

:rotfl2:

Sorry to laugh but that movie came up today and someone said (regarding D-Day) "oh that's coming up tomorrow!" Uh, no. Wrong anniversary.

No offense taken.
Yeah I know its the wrong movie but thats the movie I like when it comes to any WW2 Remembrance. I never get sick of watching it, just like you probably never get sick of watching Das boot ;) Anyway my dvd collection also has that over the top Pearl Harbour movie with Ben Affleck in it, i'll stick to Private Ryan. :)

Sailor Steve

12-06-11, 09:53 PM

This guy was an adult with at least a high school edumacation and HE DID NOT KNOW THAT WORLD WAR II WAS A REAL THING.
Yep, there are people like that.

I'm not a fan of Saving Private Ryan, but a good friend of my likes it for a personal reason. Two, in fact.

1. While Ryan is fictional, the rescue teams represented were very real indeed. My friend says his father was given that assignment on several occasions.

2. My friend says his youngest uncle lied about his age, joined up at 14 and made it through boot camp and to the front lines. It was just such a team that brought him back home.

Yeah I know its the wrong movie but thats the movie I like when it comes to any WW2 Remembrance. I never get sick of watching it, just like you probably never get sick of watching Das boot ;) Anyway my dvd collection also has that over the top Pearl Harbour movie with Ben Affleck in it, i'll stick to Private Ryan. :)
Have you ever seen Tora! Tora! Tora!? It's every bit as good as Pearl Harbor is bad. It tells the story as it happened, all the actors play real people, no crap at all and it's very well done, especially for a pre-CGI movie. It's one of a handful of WW2 movies I actively praise, the others being The Longest Day and Battle Of Britain. Oh, and A Bridge Too Far, of course.

Das Boot for me occupies that second tier of truly great movies set during the war, but not actually being about the war itself.

kiwi_2005

12-06-11, 10:08 PM

I dont think Ive seen tora tora might have when I was a kid. Might give it a look one day sounds good.

There's something about Saving Private Ryan for me, we all have our personal best war movie, when I first watched this movie back in 99, I was glued to the screen from start to end and I still get goosebumps every time I watch it especially in the start when they are traveling to the beach then get on land and trying to make their way to cover I never tire of that part.

I read a news item not long after the movie came out where of one US vet who watch the movie and during half time he went to the cinema toilets not to relieve himself but to have a good cry. He was there on the beach that day and he says Steven Spielberg got it right on the mark with the beach act, he felt like he was there again and brought back a lot of memories.

Sailor Steve

12-06-11, 10:30 PM

I read a news item not long after the movie came out where of one US vet who watch the movie and during half time he went to the cinema toilets not to relieve himself but to have a good cry. He was there on the beach that day and he says Steven Spielberg got it right on the mark with the beach act, he felt like he was there again and brought back a lot of memories.
I've read similar, but for me the beach scene had two many scenes I found predictable. But that's what makes opinions so great; if there was only one there would be only one good movie! :rock:

A funny side-note: A lot of people like Ryan because it's so gritty, and movies like The Longest Day are bloodless. I have a young friend who is a Ryan fan, and when he saw Day the first time he commented on how bloody he thought it was! :rotfl2:

And while not a fan, I do have a favorite scene, that being the one where they find the other private Ryan, the wrong one. I love that scene because the other guy is played by Nathan Fillion, who would later star in Firefly.

Oberon

12-06-11, 10:54 PM

Hmmm, so about 17:48 GMT, although if you want to be really picky, one could say that the attack began at 16:37 when the USS Ward sank a midget submarine outside Pearl Harbour, or at 13:42 when the USS Condor spotted a periscope and alerted the USS Ward.

I think I will have to put Tora! Tora! Tora! on the Christmas DVD list with Gandhi and A Bridge Too Far. I'm pretty sure I watched it years ago but I do not have much of a recollection of it.

The only redeeming features of the film Pearl Harbour to me is the excellent music (particularly during the Japanese cutscenes) and the very well chosen Japanese actors and filmography. This whole scene gives me the chills whenever I watch it...even if at one part you can tell it's filmed from a modern US angled flat-top. EDIT: Oh, yeah, and the deck is completely wrong for an IJN flat-top too, no wood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Im5ILUjH5o&feature=player_detailpage#t=35s

1480

12-07-11, 12:26 AM

Tora Tora Tora, is the only movie me and the old lady sit down to watch together.

1480

12-07-11, 12:27 AM

August

12-07-11, 12:40 AM

My all time favorite is the Band of Brothers mini series. IMO it doesn't have an equal so far.

Sailor Steve

12-07-11, 12:48 AM

And I feel just the opposite.

the very well chosen Japanese actors
While I am a huge fan of Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, the actor who played Fuchida in Tora! Tora! Tora! wasn't six feet tall and actually looked like Fuchida. On the other hand the actor who played Admiral Kimmel looked a lot more like the real thing than Martin Balsam did.

and filmography. This whole scene gives me the chills whenever I watch it...even if at one part you can tell it's filmed from a modern US angled flat-top.
That same complaint was made about Tora! Tora! Tora!. Some things just can't be helped.

I can't put up the comparable scene from Tora!, simply because there doesn't seem to be one on the internet anywhere. But trust me, you'll be amazed at how much the carrier launch scene was stolen and at how much better the original was, and still is.

nikimcbee

12-07-11, 12:57 AM

AND Josh Hartnett is a total hotty!!!!!!! :yeah:

Wow, there's a surprise.:haha: I thought you'd fancied the Afflack dude?

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/gilbert-gottfried-gi.jpg

No

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/files/2011/04/aflac-duck.jpg

No

http://thatswhattsaid.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ben-affleck-8.jpg
That's the one!

PapaKilo

12-07-11, 02:27 AM

BANZAAAAAIIIII!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4OPSaX1PxM&feature=g-all

Jimbuna

12-07-11, 05:50 AM

Hmmm, so about 17:48 GMT, although if you want to be really picky, one could say that the attack began at 16:37 when the USS Ward sank a midget submarine outside Pearl Harbour, or at 13:42 when the USS Condor spotted a periscope and alerted the USS Ward.

I won't be around at 17:48 GMT so I'm saluting all those that fell on that day now.

This date has a double meaning to me because it is the second anniversary of my fathers death.

:salute::salute:

Gerald

12-07-11, 05:53 AM

I won't be around at 17:48 GMT so I'm saluting all those that fell on that day now.

This date has a double meaning to me because it is the second anniversary of my fathers death.

:salute::salute: I know,I hope he can rest in peace :salute:

Jimbuna

12-07-11, 06:05 AM

Thank you...appreciated.

joegrundman

12-07-11, 06:12 AM

:rotfl2:

Sorry to laugh but that movie came up today and someone said (regarding D-Day) "oh that's coming up tomorrow!" Uh, no. Wrong anniversary.

On a somewhat related note, I was talking to one of my fellow kenpo students about it (the movie) a couple weeks back and he told me about some guy he used to work with. He and my friend had both recently seen the movie and were talking about it, and the other guy asked if it was a true story. My friend started to say, well, there was a thing with one family where the brothers were all killed, but it was a different situation, and the Private Ryan in the movie was a fictional character and his story was made up for the movie, etc. The other guy interrupted him and said, no, I mean that whole thing with the beaches and Normandy and the war in France and all that...

:damn:

This guy was an adult with at least a high school edumacation and HE DID NOT KNOW THAT WORLD WAR II WAS A REAL THING.

So altho some of us don't need reminding, there are some people who need a whole lot more than that. :nope:

lol. my professor of international relations related an anecdote that during a discussion on the politics related to ww2, an american student had a sudden epiphany and asked "Since there was a world war 2, does this mean there was also a world war one?"

Oberon

12-07-11, 08:19 AM

And I feel just the opposite.

While I am a huge fan of Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, the actor who played Fuchida in Tora! Tora! Tora! wasn't six feet tall and actually looked like Fuchida. On the other hand the actor who played Admiral Kimmel looked a lot more like the real thing than Martin Balsam did.

That same complaint was made about Tora! Tora! Tora!. Some things just can't be helped.

I can't put up the comparable scene from Tora!, simply because there doesn't seem to be one on the internet anywhere. But trust me, you'll be amazed at how much the carrier launch scene was stolen and at how much better the original was, and still is.

Good point on Fuchida, I was mainly focusing on my favourite character of the film (well, him and Kimmel) and that was Yamamoto, played by Mako.
I must confess though I haven't seen Tora! Tora! Tora! in years, so can't recall the acting of So Yamamura, but given that an effort was made to avoid using big movie stars to retain the focus on the story and the events of the film rather than the actors, I must applaud that.

I did find the comparable scene from Tora! Tora! Tora! (or I think I did) with some random music from Sarah Brightman....aha, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVeV0lUVYrs

frau kaleun

12-07-11, 08:21 AM

My all time favorite is the Band of Brothers mini series. IMO it doesn't have an equal so far.

Same here. :yep:

Oberon

12-07-11, 08:24 AM

*split post because the text went funky on the last after the url

I do love the taiko drums of the music of Pearl Harbour. I guess I'll be able to make a better comparison when I get around to watching Tora! Tora! Tora!, I have informed the better half that I wanted it added to the Christmas DVD wishlist, so we shall see what Santa shall bring.

And Jim, you'll be in my thoughts too mate, has it been two years already?

Sailor Steve

12-07-11, 12:38 PM

I did find the comparable scene from Tora! Tora! Tora! (or I think I did) with some random music from Sarah Brightman....aha, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVeV0lUVYrs

If it was the launching scene you meant then that may be as close as we're going to get online. The scene in the movie is much longer than that.

As for Band Of Brothers, I also agree. But today is Pearl Harbor day, and Tora! Tora! Tora! is without question the best movie on that subject.

Time to go watch. :sunny:

soopaman2

12-07-11, 12:48 PM

My all time favorite is the Band of Brothers mini series. IMO it doesn't have an equal so far.

The same folks made an offshoot, called "the Pacific" Same network aired it.

It came no where close to capturing the emotion. The acting was not as good, and the story just seemed secondbest if you know what I mean.

I will agree.:salute: Band of Brothers caught the essense of the downtime as well as the battles.

The episodes in the Ardoughn (sp) forest were some of the best war movie scenes you will find.

(I almost wept when the skies cleared and the allied planes flew overhead, I felt so bad for those men enduring that)

Ducimus

12-07-11, 12:54 PM

http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/pto/pearl.jpg

America Declares War on Japan - President Roosevelt Speech [Full Resolution] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK8gYGg0dkE)

Sailor Steve

12-07-11, 12:55 PM

I love the interviews with the real men at the end of each episode, especially the last one where it is revealed who is who.

August

12-07-11, 01:01 PM

The same folks made an offshoot, called "the Pacific" Same network aired it.

It came no where close to capturing the emotion. The acting was not as good, and the story just seemed secondbest if you know what I mean.

FWIW it's difficult enough to achieve perfection. Doing it twice in a row is much harder. :DL

You do however get a lot more out of "The Pacific" if you've read Sledge and Lemke's books:

"With the Old breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" - Sledge
"Helmet for my Pillow" - Lemke

Ducimus

12-07-11, 01:02 PM

The same folks made an offshoot, called "the Pacific" Same network aired it.

It came no where close to capturing the emotion. The acting was not as good, and the story just seemed secondbest if you know what I mean.

I disagree. I think The Pacific was quite good, because it really showed how people can change. Some of what goes on in a man's head when the world around him is utter crap. Hell. On that note, I also felt "A Thin Red Line" was one of the best war movies ever made. People expect action, guns blazing, explosions, etc. But few war movies explore what goes on inside a man who has to live through it. I'm not talking about change of opinions, or of relationships, but of his core character, even his morals.

frau kaleun

12-07-11, 01:32 PM

I have been watching The Pacific over the past month or so. I think I only have 2 episodes to go, and should get to those this weekend. I have to say that in some ways it's not living up to the expectations I had for a "companion piece" to Band of Brothers. While some of the acting is very good, I don't think the writing is as good or the storytelling is as compelling.

That doesn't mean the story itself is not just as worthwhile, only that I don't feel it's being handled in a way that works as well for me personally. Something is just... missing, maybe I can't put my finger on it. I just know that after the first 2-3 episodes of BoB, I was hooked and chomping at the bit to see the rest of it. I'll watch the rest of The Pacific, but I'm not in a big hurry to get there. Maybe I just don't feel as connected to any of the characters.

Part of it, I'm sure, is that I already had a personal connection to the ETO before I ever saw BoB (close relatives that served there). AFAIK that's not the case with the Pacific War... so some of it is just me. But I was really, really eager to love this one the same and I just... don't. They may be considered vital parts of the story by some but for me it all got sidetracked too much with following Basilone around back in the states and the romance/marriage angle there, plus the whole love story thing with Leckie in Australia a bit earlier on.

I guess the "payoff" on the former in terms of narrative came when Basilone opted to go back into combat and got killed. Of course it was sad and touching but something about the way it was all presented just seemed forced to me, like it was working too hard to make that point when it was unnecessary because the mere facts speak for themselves. Honestly I was more moved when Ack-Ack got killed and watching how the men reacted to that, plus he made an impression on me even though he wasn't really a major character.

Again, it's not a question of the stories themselves not being worthwhile, it's (IMO) a matter of how they're being told. In terms of the little picture, the experience of the individual soldiers being portrayed, it's mostly doing a decent job of what Duci talks about above. But in terms of the bigger picture, as an overall great piece of cinema, for me it's not on the same level as BoB.

OTOH so much of BoB now is a nostalgic thing, it's like watching the old Star Wars movies, sure some things about them are not as 100% Pure Gold like you thought they were when you were 12, but looking back you tend to forgive a lot because of the feeling you remember from when you saw them the first time. And everything that comes after, even if it legitimately sucks, sucks just that much harder because of that. :haha:

Not saying The Pacific sucks, not by any means, but I think for some of us the expectations were so high that there's almost no way it could live up to them. Which maybe makes it seem a little less good than it might otherwise.

August

12-07-11, 02:54 PM

I think The Pacific's main problem is that it tried to cover too much ground forcing them to use characters who did not interact with each other.

The nice thing about BoB is that even though in each episode they concentrated on a different character, the other characters were still in the story. It's like a group discussion. The person who is currently talking might change but the others are still around and involved with the plot.

In The Pacific however the characters were in different units in different battles and that would break the stories continuity every time they switched the storyline from one to another.

It would have been a much better story (imo) if they just followed Eugene Sledge and his platoon from Basic through the end of the war. Of course we'd miss the Guadalcanal and New Britain battles but then again in BoB the whole story (aside from the 1st episode) is only about the last year of the war and it is still a complete story.

frau kaleun

12-07-11, 03:17 PM

I think The Pacific's main problem is that it tried to cover too much ground forcing them to use characters who did not interact with each other.

The nice thing about BoB is that even though in each episode they concentrated on a different character, the other characters were still in the story. It's like a group discussion. The person who is currently talking might change but the others are still around and involved with the plot.

In The Pacific however the characters were in different units in different battles and that would break the stories continuity every time they switched the storyline from one to another.

Yeah, I agree, that is definitely one difference that is detracting from the series for me. There are too many different storylines going on that never (or very rarely) intersect with each other. I think you're right that it might have been better from a purely storytelling perspective to stick with one memoir or the other - and I suppose Sledge's would be the obvious choice since I think Leckie was out of action before the war ended.

soopaman2

12-07-11, 03:36 PM

The Pacific would have been better if it could have followed the same unit throughout.

Sure BoB jumped between companies, but most those fellas ran up Currahhee together. And we as viewers knew them when they were pukes.

Not that it diminishes from the actions of the brave Marines, just a film making critique.

Semper Fi.

August

12-07-11, 03:38 PM

Sure BoB jumped between companies

No it didn't. You must mean jumped between platoons in the same company (Easy Company)

soopaman2

12-07-11, 03:42 PM

No it didn't. You must mean jumped between platoons in the same company (Easy Company)

:oops: Yeah, my bad.

frau kaleun

12-07-11, 03:44 PM

Thank goodness they also gave us little glimpses of Dog Company, otherwise we would have been sadly deprived of the magnificent hawtness of Matthew Settle as Ronald Spiers. :O:

Well, up until he replaced Foxhole Norman at Foy, anyway. But at that point we had to already know what a crazy badass he was otherwise it wouldn't have been as awesome.

August

12-07-11, 03:57 PM

Just for you Frau! :salute:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2cfch10.jpg

Arlo

12-07-11, 04:15 PM

http://www.defense.gov/dodcmsshare/homepagephoto/2008-05//hires_080512-M-1558F-002a.jpg

soopaman2

12-07-11, 04:24 PM

Just for you Frau! :salute:

Out of all characters Spiers had one of the best exchanges in the series. (Matthew Settle was also in U-571:haha:)

Taken from IMDB:

Ronald Spiers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0786136/): What is it?
Carwood Lipton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005531/): Nothing.
Ronald Spiers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0786136/): Well, I'd better get back to Battalion before they disappear. You want to ask me, don't you?
Carwood Lipton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005531/): Ask you what, sir?
Ronald Spiers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0786136/): You want to know if they're true or not... the stories about me. Did you ever notice with stories like that, everyone says they heard it from someone who was there. But then when you ask *that* person, they say *they* heard it from someone who was there. It's nothing new, really. I bet if you went back two thousand years, you'd hear a couple of centurions standing around, yakking about how Tertius lopped off the heads of some Carthaginian prisoners.
Carwood Lipton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005531/): Well, maybe they kept talking about it because they never heard Tertius deny it.
Ronald Spiers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0786136/): Well, maybe that's because Tertius knew there was some value to the men thinking he was the meanest, toughest son of a bitch in the whole Roman Legion.
[Turns to leave]
Carwood Lipton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005531/): Sir? These men aren't really concerned about the stories. They're just glad to have you as our CO. They're happy to have a good leader again.
Ronald Spiers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0786136/): Well, from what I've heard, they've always had one. I've been told there's always been one man they could count on. Led them into the Bois Jacques, held them together when they had the crap shelled out of them in the woods. Every day, he kept their spirits up, kept the men focused, gave 'em direction... all the things a good combat leader does. You don't have any idea who I'm talking about, do you?
Carwood Lipton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005531/): No, sir.
Ronald Spiers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0786136/): Hell, it was you, First Sergeant. Ever since Winters made Battalion, you've been the leader of Easy Company. Oh, and you're not going to be First Sergeant much longer, First Sergeant.
Carwood Lipton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005531/): Sir?
Ronald Spiers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0786136/): Winters put you in for a battlefield commission, and Sink approved on your behalf. You should get the official notice in a few days. Congratulations, Lieutenant.

Donnie Wahlbergh deserves some kudos as Lipton, he was the rock.

nikimcbee

12-07-11, 05:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqzGk-5VQw8

Gerald

12-07-11, 05:58 PM

Great movie!

Falkirion

12-07-11, 06:00 PM

FWIW it's difficult enough to achieve perfection. Doing it twice in a row is much harder. :DL

You do however get a lot more out of "The Pacific" if you've read Sledge and Lemke's books:

"With the Old breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" - Sledge
"Helmet for my Pillow" - Lemke
Helmet for my Pillow was written by Leckie. And I agree you get more out of the series if you've read the books. Sledge's in particular does do the theatre and the brutality of war justice. Some of the stuff he endured on Pelleliu and Okinawa scared the crap outta me.

Leckie's book was a good read, and some of the things he did during the war were interesting. Although the whole bit with him going off to a mental hospital and smuggling a gun there were added to his character for the series, another member in his unit asked him to hold onto the gun while he was sent to that island.

Oh in the episode of the Pacific based in Melbourne, my little sister was one of the women on the dock waving to the soldiers on the ship. She's standing behind Isabelle Lucas in the closing shot, mostly obscured but since I knew she was going to be in that episode I kept an eye out for her.

And if they had followed Sledge from basic to the end of the war, I agree it would've made the series a much more coherant show and probably on par with BoB. There were some memorable characters in his unit throughout the war.

August

12-07-11, 07:03 PM

And if they had followed Sledge from basic to the end of the war, I agree it would've made the series a much more coherant show and probably on par with BoB. There were some memorable characters in his unit throughout the war.

There always are in every military unit and that's where The Pacific misses the mark that BoB nails so superlatively.

The military is all about the unit, the team, the group. BoB sends the viewer along with the same group of people through 10 episodes allowing them to fully develop every character. When characters get wounded or killed you notice their absence. The Pacific also has 10 episodes but they are divided amongst three separate story lines where we meet some of the other members of the unit but never really get to know much about them. Their comings and goings in the movie are almost transparent compared to the lead character (of the moment). That makes The Pacific a movie about individuals and not a, well, Band of Brothers... :DL

Besides BoB is about Paratroopers. You just can't beat that. :yep:

Gerald

12-07-11, 07:06 PM

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/3596/harborarticlelarge.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/harborarticlelarge.jpg/)
Emerie Aresenaul, front, with other Pearl Harbor survivors.

HONOLULU — For more than half a century, members of the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association gathered here every Dec. 7 to commemorate the attack by the Japanese that drew the United States into World War II. Others stayed closer to home for more intimate regional chapter ceremonies, sharing memories of a day they still remember in searing detail. But no more. The 70th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack will be the last one marked by the survivors’ association. With a concession to the reality of time — of age, of deteriorating health and death — the association will disband on Dec. 31. “We had no choice,” said William H. Eckel, 89, who was once the director of the Fourth Division of the survivors’ association, interviewed by telephone from Texas. “Wives and family members have been trying to keep it operating, but they just can’t do it. People are winding up in nursing homes and intensive care places.” Harry R. Kerr, the director of the Southeast chapter, said there weren’t enough survivors left to keep the organization running. “We just ran out of gas, that’s what it amounted to,” he said from his home in Atlanta, after deciding not to come this year. “We felt we ran a good course for 70 years. Fought a good fight. We have no place to recruit people anymore: Dec. 7 only happened on one day in 1941.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/us/fewer-veterans-to-remember-pearl-harbor-day.html?src=me&ref=general

Jimbuna

12-07-11, 07:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqzGk-5VQw8

Do you still have that Yamato film disc Jason? :hmmm:

geetrue

12-07-11, 07:14 PM

This is truly the end for Pearl harbor veterans, but the fact that we finished a war the enemy started will linger on for a few more years.

At least I think we won even though we buy anything and everything they now produce :hmmm:

Madox58

12-07-11, 07:23 PM

The Wife was working for a Company out of Japan a few weeks back.
She was called back to her old job Novemeber 27th.
I tried to get her to stay until today and have her say
"Remember Pearl Harbor" when she left.

She wouldn't do it.
:nope:

Incase you wonder? I have no regrets or remorse about how I feel about Japan and it's continued attack on the U.S.A.

nikimcbee

12-07-11, 07:25 PM

Do you still have that Yamato film disc Jason? :hmmm:

Yes I do, good sir!:salute:

Jimbuna

12-07-11, 07:45 PM

Yes I do, good sir!:salute:

I've always wanted to meet someone who can speak the lingo and translate for me but I guess the action scenes speak for themselves :DL

I'll never forget the stunt you played at the 2008 SubSim Meet when we were watching the film on your laptop at Neals house and afterwards you left a disc next to the laptop with something like GWX3.0 beta written on it just to see who would react :DL

nikimcbee

12-07-11, 07:58 PM

I've always wanted to meet someone who can speak the lingo and translate for me but I guess the action scenes speak for themselves :DL

I'll never forget the stunt you played at the 2008 SubSim Meet when we were watching the film on your laptop at Neals house and afterwards you left a disc next to the laptop with something like GWX3.0 beta written on it just to see who would react :DL

1. So, what you're say is you need me to go to Newcastle and translate for you?:hmmm:

2. I would never play a stunt on anyone.:haha:

Madox58

12-07-11, 08:01 PM

I would never play a stunt on anyone.:haha:

A joke, A gaft, a misdirection, a bold faced lie? YES.
A stunt? NO!
:D

nikimcbee

12-07-11, 08:04 PM

A joke, A gaft, a misdirection, a bold faced lie? YES.
A stunt? NO!
:D

Well, atleast I can successfully navigate Neal's glass doors, unlike some other GWX team members.:hmmm::haha:

Madox58

12-07-11, 08:07 PM

Can't argue that fact!
:har:

Jimbuna

12-07-11, 08:21 PM

Well, atleast I can successfully navigate Neal's glass doors, unlike some other GWX team members.:hmmm::haha:

Did you ever here what I did on the first night at the front of Neals house?

It was witnessed by std.dev :DL

Gerald

12-08-11, 10:12 AM

Just for you Frau! :salute:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2cfch10.jpg:haha:

TorpX

12-08-11, 07:41 PM

On a somewhat related note, I was talking to one of my fellow kenpo students about it (the movie) a couple weeks back and he told me about some guy he used to work with. He and my friend had both recently seen the movie and were talking about it, and the other guy asked if it was a true story. My friend started to say, well, there was a thing with one family where the brothers were all killed, but it was a different situation, and the Private Ryan in the movie was a fictional character and his story was made up for the movie, etc. The other guy interrupted him and said, no, I mean that whole thing with the beaches and Normandy and the war in France and all that...

This is freakin' scary! :eek: