French move to ban prostitution by punishing clients

[Gerald]

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7726/571505840134007012.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/571505840134007012.jpg/)
French anti-prostitution campaigners have become increasingly vocal.

France's parliament is to debate abolishing prostitution through a crackdown which would criminalise payment for sex.

The National Assembly will vote on a symbolic resolution drafted by a cross-party commission which, if successful, will be followed by a bill in January.The resolution urges abolition at a time when "prostitution seems to be becoming routine in Europe".Some campaigners reject the bill, advocating prostitutes' rights instead.Around 20,000 people are believed to be working as prostitutes in France.France has been committed to abolishing the practice in principle since 1960 but the MPs behind the resolution want this stance to be "proclaimed loud and strong".The criminalisation of clients is "the best way to see prostitution reduced in France, given that all the countries that have regulated this activity have seen an increase", the commission has argued.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16047284


Note: 6 December 2011 Last updated at 11:07 GMT

[Takeda Shingen]

It's illegial in most US states and counties, do I don't see this movement as a big deal.

[mookiemookie]

You can have sex with a woman and it's not a crime.

You can have sex with a woman and pay her, and it is a crime.

You can have sex with a woman and pay her and film it, and it's back to not being a crime.

:doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

:har:

You are so right Mookie!

[Betonov]

You have sex with a woman and pay her in cash, it's a crime

You have sex with a woman and pay her with jewelry, it's marriage

[AVGWarhawk]

You are do right Betonov! :har:

[Betonov]

There's so much T-shirt material in prostitution threads, that I'm thinking of buying a cotton plantation

[August]

Alimony is where you pay a woman NOT to sleep with you. :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

IMO I think prostitution should be legalized.

[Gerald]

1999, the Swedish government brought in similar legislation to criminalise the buying of sex, while decriminalising its sale.

[CCIP]

The whole issue of prostitution is a complicated one, just like the control of certain drugs. Both can be used without any consequences to the public, and by choice from all the parties involved. On the other hand, both are tied up in the black market and organized crime with all their nasty consequences, including human trafficking and other terrible stuff.

The real problem, from my perspective, is that states always want to take on drugs and prostitution, but don't want to take on organized crime - perhaps for ulterior motives, because after all the shadow economy and politics are not all that separate from their public counterparts. So IMO both the 'war on drugs' and 'war on prostitution' that target the on-the-street dealers/prostitutes and their clients are massively misguided. They'll never succeed and in fact will only end up ruining lives of more people - people who maybe weren't ruining anyone's life in the first place by engaging in prostitution or drugs by conscious choice. On the other hand, these wars shoot up the prices of drugs and prostitutes services, which benefit mobsters and force prostitutes and drug users alike to turn to forces outside the law to satisfy their needs.

Just as with drugs, I don't think outlawing prostitution will ever actually eliminate prostitution.

[Gerald]

Buying sex is low, the activity is in most cases very grossly criminalized, no matter in which part of the globe you are in, the worse it is in Asia, Latin America and Africa .. and it involves major mental illnesses, for those who perform "work".

[Ducimus]

Buying sex is low....

Dude, there is no such thing as free sex. All sex has a price. The price may not always be money, but one way or another, your always paying for it.

[Gerald]

By extension, so you'll pay, of course, that is, indirectly, through which you say air travel, jewelry drinks, etc. .. then it costs on your credit card, but this article is about a change in the law for purposes of prostitution, and how many citizens can afford to go to,Tiffany Jewellery to give away?

[Ducimus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1prYbbnDs7Q

[Gerald]

Well, there are some point's....

[Jimbuna]

You can have sex with a woman and it's not a crime.

You can have sex with a woman and pay her, and it is a crime.

You can have sex with a woman and pay her and film it, and it's back to not being a crime.

:doh:

Classic Mark :yeah:

[Platapus]

In the 21st century, a woman can go to a bar every night and choose to have sex with as many men as she chooses. While it may not be a wise thing, I don't think anyone would think about denying her this right.

But if she takes one dollar, all of a sudden it is a crime.

So a woman can choose to give it away for free* but if she sells it she is a criminal :doh:

I could understand it back in the fantasy past where women were chaste until marriage (like that ever happened), but in today's culture?


*free already being defined in this thread quite nicely.

How about we just criminalize women being forced into prostitution?

[Sailor Steve]

Good words, Plat, but I'd like to modify your last line to "How about we just criminalize women..." :D

[August]

Good words, Plat, but I'd like to modify your last line to "How about we just criminalize women..." :D

No need. They've been criminalized since Eve. :DL

[Ducimus]

No need. They've been criminalized since Eve. :DL

Speaking of being criminalized, this suddenly came to mind.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Burqa_Afghanistan_01.jpg/170px-Burqa_Afghanistan_01.jpghttp://eastchestermhs.wikispaces.com/file/view/islam-burka.jpg/30660473/islam-burka.jpg

[August]

Speaking of being criminalized, this suddenly came to mind.

Nah that's protection. Think of it as Islamic body armor against sexual harassment. You can't ogle what you can't see! :DL

[Skybird]

Nah that's protection. Think of it as Islamic body armor against sexual harassment. You can't ogle what you can't see! :DL
Strange way to protect yourself when you attach the defensive body armour to the attacker. ;)

Mind you, in Islam it is the males that must be protected from the diabolic stimuli send by uncovered women. That's why a woman can get raped by a male or several males - and be labelled the guilty one, getting the punishment, while the male attackers are seen as the victims.

[AVGWarhawk]

Strange way to protect yourself when you attach the defensive body armour to the attacker. ;)

Mind you, in Islam it is the males that must be protected from the diabolic stimuli send by uncovered women. That's why a woman can get raped by a male or several males - and be labelled the guilty one, getting the punishment, while the male attackers are seen as the victims.

Restraint is not a word used in these countries? :hmmm:

[Ducimus]

Restraint is not a word used in these countries? :hmmm:


Bass Ackwards hell holes.

Back on topic, I found the best restraint against the want of a woman, regardless if she's practicing the worlds oldest profession or not, is age. The older I get, the more resistant i find myself to a womans charms. :haha: of course, one of my favorite expressions is, "been there, done that, bought the T shirt, wore it out.".

[Sailor Steve]

I, on the other hand, have reached the age at which it no longer matters. No woman with any charms is going to aim them in my direction, so whether I'm immune or not has ceased to matter.

But I still like to look. :sunny:

[AVGWarhawk]

Bass Ackwards hell holes.

Back on topic, I found the best restraint against the want of a woman, regardless if she's practicing the worlds oldest profession or not, is age. The older I get, the more resistant i find myself to a womans charms. :haha: of course, one of my favorite expressions is, "been there, done that, bought the T shirt, wore it out.".

Got the clap!

:haha:

[MH]

In the 21st century, a woman can go to a bar every night and choose to have sex with as many men as she chooses. While it may not be a wise thing, I don't think anyone would think about denying her this right.

But if she takes one dollar, all of a sudden it is a crime.

So a woman can choose to give it away for free* but if she sells it she is a criminal :doh:

I could understand it back in the fantasy past where women were chaste until marriage (like that ever happened), but in today's culture?


*free already being defined in this thread quite nicely.

How about we just criminalize women being forced into prostitution?

Its all fair business - you pay and get serviced.:haha:

[Ducimus]

Got the clap!

:haha:

Well, i guess i haven't quite done that. No, i was a good boy, i always wore my hard hat when in construction areas. :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, i guess i haven't quite done that. No, i was a good boy, i always wore my hard hat when in construction areas. :O:

:har:

[soopaman2]

So can you take a woman on a dinner and a movie, dance the mattress mambo, then dump her. I guess it is only legal if one or both parties want to cry afterwards.:hmmm:

After all, you pay for sex no matter what. At least a hooker knows to GTFO and has zero expectations outside of sex.

[Betonov]

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/small/1008/prostitutes-sexy-asian-hookers-demotivational-poster-1281970091.jpg

[Ducimus]

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/small/1008/prostitutes-sexy-asian-hookers-demotivational-poster-1281970091.jpg

:har:

[Schroeder]

I don't see any reason to ban prostitution as long as the people (not only women;)) are of legal age and aren't forced to carry out that profession.

[Gerald]

I don't see any reason to ban prostitution as long as the people (not only women;)) are of legal age and aren't forced to carry out that profession. Talking from personal experience, I hear :O:

[Betonov]

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/5809383.jpg

[Ducimus]

Shoplifting. Which is why they make you pay first. Kinda like a gas station. You pay first, then fill'er up. :haha:

[Betonov]

Shoplifting. Which is why they make you pay first. Kinda like a gas station. You pay first, then fill'er up. :haha:

In Europe you pay for sex and gas after the deed :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

Shoplifting. Which is why they make you pay first. Kinda like a gas station. You pay first, then fill'er up. :haha:

Gives new meaning to the term 'drive-off'. :hmmm:

[Ducimus]

In Europe you pay for sex and gas after the deed :hmmm:


In the US, you have to pay before you pump. :O:
(innuendo not intended, but freaking halarious just the same)

[Betonov]

In the US, you have to pay before you pump. :O:
(innuendo not intended, but freaking halarious just the same)


good show :har:

[Schroeder]

Talking from personal experience, I hear :O:
Nope, too expensive for 30 sec of fun....er ...wait.....:dead:

:D

[Gerald]

In the US, you have to pay before you pump. :O:
(innuendo not intended, but freaking halarious just the same) I tell ya,all a round the globe ya have to pay for "pump" :O:

[Gerald]

Nope, too expensive for 30 sec of fun....er ...wait.....:dead:

:D 30 sec....so fast, :haha:

[Jimbuna]

In the US, you have to pay before you pump. :O:
(innuendo not intended, but freaking halarious just the same)

Nope, too expensive for 30 sec of fun....er ...wait.....:dead:

:D

Hoping for a bumpy ride :DL

[soopaman2]

In the US, you have to pay before you pump. :O:
(innuendo not intended, but freaking halarious just the same)

I live in Jersey, some arab or Indian pumps it for you, then you pay.

Easy to drive off.:D

Most of them can't read roman numbers well either, so good luck on getting the plates...

Just...Uhhh...saying..:D

New gas caps for Ford F-150, 7.00$, free 50$ fill up, priceless.

[Ducimus]

30 sec....so fast, :haha:

Talk a bout a short time GI.......


And for the record, I have never solicited the services of the worlds oldest profession while in the continental United States. :O:

[Gerald]

Talk a bout a short time GI.......


And for the record, I have never solicited the services of the worlds oldest profession while in the continental United States. :O: Experienced Man, in other words, :ping:

[em2nought]

Let's just put everybody in jail. Starting to feel like a jail already anyway. :arrgh!:

[Betonov]

And for the record, I have never solicited the services of the worlds oldest profession while in the continental United States. :O:

So, what are the prices in Hawaii :DL

[VipertheSniper]

I live in Jersey, some arab or Indian pumps it for you, then you pay.

Easy to drive off.:D

Most of them can't read roman numbers well either, so good luck on getting the plates...

Just...Uhhh...saying..:D

New gas caps for Ford F-150, 7.00$, free 50$ fill up, priceless.

You got roman numbers on your plates? I always thought they were arabic. :03:

[Gerald]

So, what are the prices in Hawaii :DL :haha:

[Ducimus]

So, what are the prices in Hawaii :DL

I could tell you the going rates in Asia about 16 year ago. :88)

BTW..
http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/small/1008/prostitutes-sexy-asian-hookers-demotivational-poster-1281970091.jpg
She looks very familiar. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

She looks very familiar. :O:
Your daughter, perhaps? :O:

[Jimbuna]

I could tell you the going rates in Asia about 16 year ago. :88)

In the late seventies it was a bar of soap or a packet of cigs :oops:

[Ducimus]

Your daughter, perhaps? :O:
Nah, although a buddy of mine accused me of fathering half the children in a Korean orphanage.

No, that picture reminds me of this bar girl I dated. No serious, it was a date. One could say I got that one for "free", but in reality it cost me a crap ton of drinks over the span of a week or two before i nailed her on her day off from the bar. It wasn't intentional, didn't plan it that way, but at the end of the evening we ended up back at my barracks room, and the first thing she did was strip down, dig in my closet, put on one of my shirts, and laid down on my bed. That was a clue that was hard to miss. Looking back I think that girl was the closest I ever got to bringing home a walking talking souvenir. I think she had the statue of liberty in one eye, and the big BX in the other. Needless to say, it didn't work out.

In the late seventies it was a bar of soap or a packet of cigs :oops:

late 90's it was 20 dollars to 40 dollars, depending on short time or long time.

[Jimbuna]

late 90's it was 20 dollars to 40 dollars, depending on short time or long time.

Yeah that question used to make me ponder "How long can I last....hate to pay for 'long' and last 'short'" :03:

[Ducimus]

Yeah that question used to make me ponder "How long can I last....hate to pay for 'long' and last 'short'" :03:

Phht I never paid for a long time. Only did short times. Get your nut, get out, and get back to the bar and have another beer. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Phht I never paid for a long time. Only did short times. Get your nut, get out, and get back to the bar and have another beer. :haha:

LOL....I could never fit another one in (beer I mean) because it took that many to pluck up the courage :doh:

[Ducimus]

LOL....I could never fit another one in (beer I mean) because it took that many to pluck up the courage :doh:

Ha! All it took for me was being back in garrison after being TDY on a project working six or seven 14 hour days doing heavy construction.

Being back at home station was like being in an amusement park. Get your beer "primer" before you leave the barracks. Go down town, and "run the ville". That's where you go bar hopping (i tried 1 beer per bar and then move on to keep things interesting), get a short time, hit another bar or two, maybe get another short time, go hit another bar. Id do a round robin.

At the end of the evening I'd end up going back to base just before a 1 or 2 AM curfew, staggering through the main gate barely able to walk, trying my best to be courteous in my drunken stupor to the MP's / SP's at the gate so they didn't give me a hassle , a severe case of tunnel vision, enough tar in my lungs to repave the street (gotta love Eighty Eights (http://www.cigarettespedia.com/index.php/Brand88_Eighty_Eight)), an empty "combat wallet", and an overwhelming desire to piss like a race horse.

Yes sir, I spent all my money on booze and whores. The rest I just wasted! :arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Ducimus]

SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif


:haha:

Not any more. I'm older, wiser, and also married. :03:

[Jimbuna]

:haha:

Not any more. I'm older, wiser, and also married. :03:

The best way to be as we get on in life :yep:

[soopaman2]

I am all for an Occupy the Red light District movement.

Let the police know you need your hookers!

Good lays are being hoarded by the 1%, and us perverts, sexual deviants, and pain jockeys need, and will have justice.

Where else can you get a rusty trombone for less than 7$ American, than in France? This is a travesty!