Chicken Little says December 21st 2012 is the end of time as man knows it

[geetrue]

Just a simple yea or nay ...

Will the world experience anything strange happening next December?

The chicken littles are all saying this is the big one, but I remember these same people in the y2k era.

A myth, a waste of time, way to learn another lesson???

http://www.bing.com/search?q=++December+2012&form=IE8SRC&src=IE-SearchBox

I say "Nay"

[Platapus]

13 April 2012 is the date to worry about.

That's the date of the US release of the new Three Stooges Movie. :wah:

Life just won't be worth living after that. :nope:

[Oberon]

2012? Things might well happen, we could see some hefty natural activity and solar activity, probably yet another war in the Middle East, more economic failings and the fun and games of the US elections.

[1480]

I agree with Platapus on that.

[1480]

2012? Things might well happen, we could see some hefty natural activity and solar activity, probably yet another war in the Middle East, more economic failings and the fun and games of the US elections.

How come our elections are such a world spectacle?

[Oberon]

How come our elections are such a world spectacle?

No idea, probably due to the amount of internet that comes from the US and the amount of drama that usually unfolds on internet forums around the time of the elections. :03:

[Randomizer]

http://bizarrocomic.blogspot.com/2009/12/countdown-to-catastrophe.html

No vote. Anybody who believes this is a waste of DNA.

All I can say is that the world would be a far better place if all the Apocalypse groupies decided to kill themselves on the night of the 20th.

[1480]

No idea, probably due to the amount of internet that comes from the US and the amount of drama that usually unfolds on internet forums around the time of the elections. :03:

Danke. I enjoy the muckraking but for all the wrong reasons.

[Sailor Steve]

Since I have no way of seeing the future myself, and there have been thousands of predictions that have all failed, I probably should have voted no. On the other hand I don't trust my own judgement either, so Wait And See it is.

I'm not holding my breath though.

[Jimbuna]

I'll wait and see also but should have voted Nay.

[Skybird]

I don't prepare for the end of the world. Just imagine you take all that effort, and then nothing happens and you did it all in vein. No-no, not with me.

[Skybird]

What...? Of 7 voters so far, only 2 - one of them me - have voted "No", but 5 have voted "I don't know"...????

That is, in principle, a disgrace.

[Reece]

Yes we're all gonna die a horrible death!:yep:

[JU_88]

People are always coming up with dates for the 'end of the world' through various doomsday scenarios. But define 'the end' what is that? the total destruction fo the planet and all life on it? That would actually be very difficult for man to achieve.

A nuclear war would destroy major cities and kill billions and cause major eviromental damage, it would be the end of life as we know it, BUT not the end of the world, many people would still survive, life on earth would still go on.
The only other threats can be maybe a deadly airborne virus or something from out of space.
However- there is no way to prepare for the end of the world, what you going to do exactly? live the rest of your life in a bunker with a lifes supply of tinned food?
Whats the point in that? death might actually be the better option here.

The so called 'end of the world' can happen anytime between tomorrow and a ten thousand years and beyond, I dont see why people are so keen to predict it, other than being able to say 'I told you so' if they are right (asuuming they survive - and have other survivors to say it to.)

The only way I see the Human race surving indefinatly is by locating other habitable planets in the Universe and finding a way to travel / migrate to them. without that mandkinds 'time' is most certainly limited, we havent taken care of mother earth very well and she can only support our unsustainable lives of mass reproduction, destruction, consumption, waste and polution.... for so long.

[the_tyrant]

You see skybird, I voted yes
Why?

because December 2012 is when I get my full drivers licence
That is when I can drive on the road alone, by my self

All constraints of sanity provided by my dad or driving instructor goes out the window

You'd all better watch out! The Tyrant is coming on a world tour, When you see a path of death and destruction in your local city, you know its me!:yeah:

[Oberon]

People are always coming up with dates for the 'end of the world' through various doomsday scenarios. But define 'the end' what is that? the total destruction fo the planet and all life on it? That would actually be very difficult for man to achieve.

A nuclear war would destroy major cities and kill billions and cause major eviromental damage, it would be the end of life as we know it, BUT not the end of the world, many people would still survive, life on earth would still go on.
The only other threats can be maybe a deadly airborne virus or something from out of space.
However- there is no way to prepare for the end of the world, what you going to do exactly? live the rest of your life in a bunker with a lifes supply of tinned food?
Whats the point in that? death might actually be the better option here.

The so called 'end of the world' can happen anytime between tomorrow and a ten thousand years and beyond, I dont see why people are so keen to predict it, other than being able to say 'I told you so' if they are right (asuuming they survive - and have other survivors to say it to.)

The only way I see the Human race surving indefinatly is by locating other habitable planets in the Universe and finding a way to travel / migrate to them. without that mandkinds 'time' is most certainly limited, we havent taken care of mother earth very well and she can only support our unsustainable lives of mass reproduction, destruction, consumption, waste and polution.... for so long.

This, so very much this, I always think of the George Carling 'Save the Planet' bit when people say 'The end of the world', what people should really say is 'The end of mankind' and that is quite easy to achieve. The world isn't going anywhere, not for another million odd years or so, and all our weapons and technology, compared to what the planet can cook up...it's like a fly attacking an elephant.

[BossMark]

The end of time already happened when the tory lead coalition came to power.

[Jimbuna]

What...? Of 7 voters so far, only 2 - one of them me - have voted "No", but 5 have voted "I don't know"...????

That is, in principle, a disgrace.

Confusion reigns supreme perhaps :DL

[mookiemookie]

If you're a religious sort:

Matt 24:36: "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

[mapuc]

I don't know if it's any comfortable news I gonna tell you.

But many are gonna wake up on 1 st January with a hang-over.

And it's not because that the earth is tumbling down on their heads.

Markus

[mapuc]

If you're a religious sort:

Matt 24:36: "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."


On some youtube videos I have posted exactly the same. Mostly those that are religiouse.

Markus

[Sailor Steve]

What...? Of 7 voters so far, only 2 - one of them me - have voted "No", but 5 have voted "I don't know"...????

That is, in principle, a disgrace.
Why? I gave my reasons. No matter how certain I may be, I don't know this for certain, any more than I know anything for certain. Neither do you.

Am I wrong? Almost certainly. A disgrace? Stuff it.

[Skybird]

There is no evidence that there are no pink flying tri-eyed elephants singing God-Save-The-Queen in reverse somewhere in the solar system.

...

[sidslotm]

the end can't be 2012, cos I'm gonna live to be 120, or die trying :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Doesn't mean they don't exist.

My problem is that there is no evidence the sun will rise tomorrow. I'm certain it will, but I don't know for a fact. I don't mind you saying I'm wrong, or even that I'm an idiot, because in a lot of ways it's true. But a disgrace? That's just rude, and I stand by my suggestion.

[Skybird]

Okay, no disgrace, but a declaration of bancrupcty of intellectual, reasonable thinking. Is that better and more kind to your ears?

And there are no pink, flying tri-eyed reverse-singing elephants in the solar system. Trust me. You can bet your life and the fate of all the universe on that.

Scepticism is good, I am a basic sceptic myself. But things can become just too absurd, and then it is no more scepticism, but simply idiocy. Yes, you can always look even closer at things,m and closer, and then much more closer, and you will always see some more, but also: some smaller detail. You can increase the "reliability" of your argument, but you can push that only so far, and not beyond - because from some point on, the "validity" not only has become small with reliability beocming big, but validity simply is no more there. This reliability-validity thing is not for no reason being called a dilemma in statistics and science theory.

At some point, you need to take the probabilities you have, and form a decision on basis of them, you cannot spend the rest of your life just calculating them finer and finer and avoiding any decision at all - you would just miss your whole life that way. And so you decide, and act, and that's it.

Wild guessing, an imagination on rampage, just any neurologic activity in the brain forming an idea on the absis of nothing - such things do not automatically claim equal status to reasonable ideas basing on observation or experience of logical conclusion, just because the wild guess, the image forms up in your mind. that you sit down and write a novel, does not mean that the story told ever has happened exactly the way to tell it, with the same names and people, and places and times and events.

It's fantasy.

[Sailor Steve]

It's fantasy.
I believe in reason. I just don't trust my own, or my judgement, or my sanity. It's as simple as that. I'm not a skeptic. When I say I really don't know anything, I mean it. I'm pretty sure I'm writing this right now, but I don't know for certain. It's what I live with every day.

[Skybird]

I'm pretty sure I'm writing this right now, but I don't know for certain. It's what I live with every day.
That - does not sound good, Steve. Must I be worried about you?

[Herr-Berbunch]

NO! So cheer up folks.

There may be pestilence, famine, plagues, and flooding, but somewhere within the 150m km² there will be man with his clocks, watches, sundials and henges* willing to tell a passing stranger the time.



*Might even be a mobile phone, who knows? :D

[Sailor Steve]

That - does not sound good, Steve. Must I be worried about you?

Not at all. I'm fully aware of my problems and don't try to pretend anything is other than what it is. I do a pretty good job of faking humanity, and so far I've proved to be harmless to myself and others. I just don't trust people when they argue from a position that they "know" something, or that they are convinced they're right. And like most people I have a hard time recognizing that others truly think differently from me.

At least I don't claim that I'm sane. :D

[Oberon]

http://www.amiclarke.com/2009/UU%20Campbell%20Works/Unknown-Knowns.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

Okay, here's an alternate take.

a disgrace.
Okay, no disgrace, but a declaration of bancrupcty of intellectual, reasonable thinking.
too absurd
simply idiocy
fantasy
When it doesn't fit you're narrow view of the world, call it names. That's good sound judgement.

Scepticism is good, I am a basic sceptic myself.
No, you're not. You're a firm believer. A believer in your own innate rightness and superiority.

When I was homeless I spent a lot of time in our huge city library, reading everything I could. Among the things I read were so-called 'Sceptic' magazines. Some of the finest minds in the world contributed to them, and they have some fine articles. They're basically devoted to debunking everything in sight, and they make very convincing articles. The problem is more than half of those articles are devoted to debunking all things religious, which is also fine, except I began to see that these people were, to a man, absolutely convinced. There was no scepticism aimed at themselves, which means they weren't sceptics at all, but devout atheists.

And you firmly believe, and even preach, that you are right. There is no question, no room for even the slightest doubts. This is why I have so much trouble discussing anything with you. You don't have room for even the slightest chance you may be wrong.

I don't think for a second that the world is going to end a year from now. I just admit that I don't know it for a fact, which is why I voted the way I did, and found some humor in it. You seem unable to admit that there's anything you don't know, and everything that disagrees becomes a subject of derision for you. You are a true believer, and have your own religion. It's just not one people normally look for.

Yes, I have problems with my judgement and my sanity. How's yours?

[Task Force]

I can for see that there will be unrest from these 2012 nutjobs around the time that the end of the world is supposedly gonna happening, though I say only the big believers who are sure of it will probably do anything.

Surely something will happen in the middle east with all the unrest happening there lately.

In the end the only thing that will happen is something that people will cause, no end of the world.

[Armistead]

I say yes,

I generally hate people and humanity in general, so be nice to see us all wiped out.

[Oberon]

I say yes,

I generally hate people and humanity in general, so be nice to see us all wiped out.

We do a pretty good job of that without outside help tbh. The whole resource wars and food and water shortages of the future will help a lot in reducing populations though, that's for certain...

[Pisces]

Yes, ofcourse it is. Everyday is the end of the world as you know it, and may or may not love. Each day brings new events and there is no way going back to them. So it's the end and those are the last you'll experience. But the sun rises the day after again, as it allways has. Those 10 days next year won't be any different than those before. (in the large scheme of things)

[Herr-Berbunch]

I've said before that there are too many people and we could do with a good cull one way or another - that's life! :yep:

[Skybird]

Okay, here's an alternate take. <-- (...) --> with my judgement and my sanity. How's yours?

If there is a man who is not only healthy but has fully functional legs and trained splendid muscles, and who chooses to roll around in a wheelchair voluntarily, than he mocks himself, and his behaviour is a disgrace for himself and even an offence to those sitting in a wheelchair and having no choice.

And if God has given you a brain and sanity and ratio and logic and you refuse to make use of it, instead get fixiated on absurd constructions that in the end just mean that you claim that any fantasy one could imagine should be given as a possible glimpse of an existing reality just not discovered so far - then this is a disgrace, too. Not to use your brain when you have one, is a sin, one could put it in other terms. I know the Black Swan Fallacy and all that - but the extremes you push it too is not what Black Swan Fallacies are about. where it is reasonable to remind yourself that just because you never saw a black swan there are no black swans (since you know some things about genetics and mutations and albonos and natural diversiofcations etc etc), it is idiotic to claim the same for just any fairytale, fantasy or hallucination the human mind can produce. The Black Swan Fallacy is not to arbitrarily or randomly declare just any random fantasy a possible reality. That is no tolerant thing to do,m that is no thing of freedom or open mindedness - that is simply pathologic and if people practice it too excessively it indeed can bring them into psychiatry. It then is called a delusional disorder or a pathologic loss of sense of reality. And that is hell for the human mind.

You get too fiddly too easily, and too often, and mikstake that with a defence of "principles", while reality passes you by. Its exactly the mechanism that made us banging heads repeatedly before. And that really kills my nerves. Not to mention that it gets nobody anywhere. Not you, not me, and nobody around.

However, with that I move on from here. I am not buying into Mayan mysticism.

[Tribesman]

If there is a man who is not only healthy and has fully functional legs and trained splendid muscles, but who choses to roll aorpund in a wheelchair volu7ntarily, than he mcoks hiomself and his behaviour is a disgrace for himself and an offence to those sitting in a wheel chair and having no choice.


So to take that to the brain analogy, if someone speaks a load of crap , invents ludicrous facts and after being shown to be undeniably making up stuff and talking out of their rear end on numerous occasions that person repeatedly insist that their lunatic fantasies and invented facts are still real then that behavior is a disgrace and/or the person may be insane.
hmmmmm global consipacies secret cabals and quoted legislation written in invisible ink which no one else can see....Sky just self diagnosed himself as a disgrace:rotfl2:

[Platapus]

http://www.amiclarke.com/2009/UU%20Campbell%20Works/Unknown-Knowns.jpg

I don't know about that.

[Platapus]

I say yes,

I generally hate people and humanity in general, so be nice to see us all wiped out.

The sooner the failed species called human dies off, the better the earth will be. :up:

[Randomizer]

The world cannot end in December 2012 since I have a credit card that does not expire until January 2013 and the banks would never lie to us...

Not intending offence to Geetrue, I didn't vote since I consider the premise behind the poll absurd.

[the_tyrant]

The world cannot end in December 2012 since I have a credit card that does not expire until January 2013 and the banks would never lie to us...

Not intending offence to Geetrue, I didn't vote since I consider the premise behind the poll absurd.

Even if the world has ended, the banks would come into hell to collect their money:yep:

[Sailor Steve]

If there is a man and blah blah blah...
Once again you launch into a major diatribe out of fear of admitting that you don't know everything. I have no problem with you feeling as you do. As I always say and you always ignore, you're probably right. That doesn't excuse your wave of insults and name calling. Telling someone you disagree with him is an act of honesty. Telling him he's a fool (and worse) for admitting he doesn't know everything is the act of arrogance.

[Skybird]

If you do not know the difference between a fantasy or a fairy tale or a mysticistic imagination, and an event with extreme low probability that nevertheless maybe could turn out to be true, than I call you a fool. Fiction and Black Swan events (events of extremely low probability) are two totally different things.

He who has healthy legs but behaves like a cripple, is a disgrace. He who has a brain but refuses to use it, is a disgrace, too.

And stop telling me at every opportunity how many things you do not know, and stop posing as if you think that is an enobling pose, of some sort. I wonder how you would get along in your life if you were indeed not knowing anything as you claim. If you cannot get together such basic acts like above or the issues we banged heads earlier about, than I cannot help to just grin from my left to my right ear, sorry. To me, taking serious the belief that the world will end because some Mayan calender says so, is an insult of human intelligence. I deliberately reject to give that the same status of respectability like an empirical conclusion, a scientific theory, a guess based on earlier experience, a hint-founded speculation. When I do not accept religious fairy tales and miracle-beliefs the same respectability and credibility like ratio and reason, empiry and experience, observation and trial & error - why should I now make an exception: just because the Mayans? The Mayans were so clever to overstretch their society's size until they could not feed it anymore, and so they fell apart as a culture, moved, starved and now nothing is left. They sacrificed prisoners to please their gods because they believed they need to please them that way, and they waged wars for the mere purpose of catching said prisoners; and the moon covering the sun they interpreted as a heavenly battle between divine entities. Granted, they made some suprisingly precise astronomical observations for the tools available in their time and place - but I refuse to overrate that or to ignore the many things that they got hopelessly wrong, too.

But their calender running out of numbers and thus oracling the end of the world - that I now should take serious as a possible scenario that could manifestate in reality, yes? Really? Because that is what this rumble started about - that I called it an offence of intelligent thinking, a disgrace, that reasonable, logically thinking, modern, educated people of the present enlightened culture and time could be so insure about the absurdity of the claim that they rate it as "I don't know." You all are modern educated people of the 21st century - by the hottest inner circle of hell, you should know that it is absurd for damn sure...! Like you also should know that Santa is not for real, babies are not brought by the storch, and the world was not created in six days. Giving respectability to such claims is not tolerant, polite, or noble. It is a disgrace, it is idiotic, it is an offence of all potential in humans that is positive and good and looking towards the future, distancing itself from the darkness of the past. Little children you can fool with stories like that as long as they are young. But how old are you?

[Sailor Steve]

If you do not know the difference between a fantasy or a fairy tale or a mysticistic imagination, and an event with low probability that nevertheless maybe turns out to be true, than I call you a fool.
And there's the crux of the situation: Not that the world will end or won't end, but that you started your first post with insults, and several of them. I'll bet that, like myself, those of us who voted "I don't know" didn't do so because we think that there's the slightest chance the world will end next year, but partly because we thought it was funny and partly because we're honest enough to admit that there is a chance, no matter how tiny, that we might be wrong. Those are two things you seem to be incapable of doing - getting the joke and recognizing that you might possibly be wrong.

And stop telling me at every opportunity how many things you do not know, and stop posing as if you think that is an enobling of some sort.
I don't consider it enobling at all. That's you completely misreading me again. I just recognize that every piece of knowledge I claim to possess comes to me second hand. I'm taking somebody else's word for it. Did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor seventy years ago tomorrow? I've read the books and I've seen the pictures and films, and I accept it for the simple reason that I have no reason to doubt it, and the evidence is pretty overwhelming. I speak and act as though it's a fact, because to not do so would be counterproductive. That said, I wasn't there, so I don't "know" it for an absolute. That's all I've been trying to say, and you can't see the difference. And you call yourself a "philosopher".

Like you also spould know that santa is not for real, babaies are not brought by the storch, and the world was not created in six days.
And you "know" this how? I was there when my daughters were born, so I know about babies. Eyewitness, as they say. Santa I safely dismiss, and the world in six days I doubt, as both go against all evidence, but to claim to "know" is, again, arrogance. I see no evidence for the existence of a God, but I believe it is foolish to dismiss the possibility out of hand.

Giving respectability to such claims is not tolerant, polite, or noble. It is a disgrace, it is idiotic. Little children you can fool with stories like that as long as they are young. But how old are you?
I don't give respectibility to the claims we're discussing. I don't really believe any of them. On the other hand, unlike yourself, I'm honest enough to admit that none of my disbelief is 100%, hence, I don't know.

As always, in your haste to see what you think I'm saying rather than what I'm really saying, you rush to condemn, and you become incapable of even discussing it, choosing rather to talk down to people and call them names. You call yourself a philosopher, but you don't even try to understand anything further than what you already believe. Shout otherwise all you want, but you march in lockstep with what you already believe, and you'll never see anything outside your own narrow viewpoint.

How do I know that? I don't.

[kiwi_2005]

If this is about the Mayan Calender all it means is its the change to a new harvest end of the old harvest not in those exact words but that's what ive heard from a documentary on it I watched couple of yrs back. No end of the world. New Havest new beginning.

[nikimcbee]

If you're a religious sort:

Matt 24:36: "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Okay Tebow.;)

[nikimcbee]

Can't be the end of the World, but that event could be triggered by:

Cubs winning a world series:o
Vikings winning the super bowl.:haha:

President HRC.:o:o:o
Jim stops posting.
Steed posts his mug.

SH6-DC2

Neal gets re-married and wife says "no more subsim."

Skybird converts Christianity [insert faith here]:hmmm::haha:

Mookie declares Reagan as his personal economic "Lord and Savio(u)r."

Fav-ray QBs for da bearz and Texans in the same season.

Dowly gives up booze.

[nikimcbee]

I agree with Platapus on that.
Call me a Homer, but +2:sign_yeah:

[nikimcbee]

I don't prepare for the end of the world. Just imagine you take all that effort, and then nothing happens and you did it all in vein. No-no, not with me.

Although the Y2K thingy was great for the technology industry. Everybody upgraded.

[1480]

You forgot one more thing McBee:

A black man becomes POTUS....oh wait, scratch that.

[Hottentot]

I have to say, with such attitude Steve would become a great historian. I wish more people in my university shared his views towards knowledge.

[Skybird]

And there's the crux of the situation: Not that the world will end or won't end, but that you started your first post with insults, and several of them. I'll bet that, like myself, those of us who voted "I don't know" didn't do so because we think that there's the slightest chance the world will end next year, but partly because we thought it was funny and partly because we're honest enough to admit that there is a chance, no matter how tiny, that we might be wrong. Those are two things you seem to be incapable of doing - getting the joke and recognizing that you might possibly be wrong.


I don't consider it enobling at all. That's you completely misreading me again. I just recognize that every piece of knowledge I claim to possess comes to me second hand. I'm taking somebody else's word for it. Did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor seventy years ago tomorrow? I've read the books and I've seen the pictures and films, and I accept it for the simple reason that I have no reason to doubt it, and the evidence is pretty overwhelming. I speak and act as though it's a fact, because to not do so would be counterproductive. That said, I wasn't there, so I don't "know" it for an absolute. That's all I've been trying to say, and you can't see the difference. And you call yourself a "philosopher".


And you "know" this how? I was there when my daughters were born, so I know about babies. Eyewitness, as they say. Santa I safely dismiss, and the world in six days I doubt, as both go against all evidence, but to claim to "know" is, again, arrogance. I see no evidence for the existence of a God, but I believe it is foolish to dismiss the possibility out of hand.


I don't give respectibility to the claims we're discussing. I don't really believe any of them. On the other hand, unlike yourself, I'm honest enough to admit that none of my disbelief is 100%, hence, I don't know.

As always, in your haste to see what you think I'm saying rather than what I'm really saying, you rush to condemn, and you become incapable of even discussing it, choosing rather to talk down to people and call them names. You call yourself a philosopher, but you don't even try to understand anything further than what you already believe. Shout otherwise all you want, but you march in lockstep with what you already believe, and you'll never see anything outside your own narrow viewpoint.

How do I know that? I don't.

Obviously I am more willing than you to take a position and to draw consequences, even when any of these two mean that I provide somebody with a target (=my view). But you constantly claim that you do not know, that you cannot know, and by that often give an image of being totally diffuse, vague, non-concrete, unable and/or unwilling to give any form, any substantial obligation to stand for anything you say. You just keep saying "I do not know", and "I cannot know", and so "I must not say, do anything", and that leaves you in the comfortable position to be able to pick up or ignore any idea you want without needing to give reasons for that, and to criticise others who make a solid stand on something without needing to accept any respnsibility for your own psotion - becasue you refuse to take any position. What'S more, you think that is a sign of tolerance and human freindliness towards others. I call it a diffuse lack of substance and repeatedly now I saw it leading you into dead ends - may it be over your idea of all or nothing at all-concepts of freedom, may it be about unlimited tolerance, or may it be about you misconception or false claim now that I went out and offended people - I labelled a certain intellectual weakness or self-uncertainty over a hillarious claim as what it is - the rejection of the gift of being able top use your intellect. I criticised an attitude, a flawed way of thinking or arguing. In just my last reply above, I explained why I do.

You simplify it and summarise it as "Skybird offends peoples", and you give the impression that that was the original motivation or idea behind it. But if it were like that, I would not need to weait for an opportunity. I could any time run into the moderators and start a thread and say "This is to let everybody know that you all are just braindead zombies making the world feel sick." I would not need to be provided with a target first to do so (hm: seems I discovered a new favourite English phrase... :) )

On that issue of yours, your hobby so tpo speak, to not accept that you know anything at all, I leave you alone. That is too abstract, too unpragmtaic, to unfit to deal with my,mlife, with sciences and empiry, with almost everything I could think of. Like before with your idea of freedom and tolerance, you get trapped or lost in you hunger for abstract unlimitedness of terms. You say that is your freedom. I say it is getting lost in a void.

I am a sceptic, that means I take little for granted or untouchable, and I am open to possibilities for which the probability that they turn our true may be extremely low, but nevertheless is an option, no matter how unlikely it is. And I differ these low-probability events (black swan events) from events that are the prodczut of mere fiction and imagination. These latter classes of ideas I reject to give the same status in intellectual discourse, like a theory, a black swan event, contradictory witness observations that need to be decided upon, or whatever.

And I am quite aware of the implications of radical constructivism, believe me - I am very familiar with those concepts.

Fiction is fiction. Not one bit more than this. Just fiction.

[Hottentot]

And I differ these low-probability events (black swan events) from events that are the prodczut of mere fiction and imagination. These latter classes of ideas I reject to give the same status in intellectual discourse, like a theory, a black swan event, contradictory witness observations that need to be decided upon, or whatever.

So if I understand correctly, you consider the idea that world will end in 2012 such an idea? As I see it, there are three ways of approaching this matter scientifically.

1: Claim that the world ends in 2012. Results: someone says "prove it."
2: Claim that the world won't end in 2012. Result: Someone says: "prove it."
3: Claim that the end of the world is a possible, even if very unlikely event and we can't predict when or how quickly it will happen, and therefore answer "I don't know". I'd choose this, because I can't prove 1 or 2.

I see the same with any fiction. I don't run around saying that the moon is made of cheese, because I don't believe it is. But if someone is willing to prove me scientifically that it is, then I'm willing to listen. Not agree or start believing: simply to listen and then make up my mind if I start to believe in it or not. Most likely not, but listening won't cost me anything.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Yesterday I was sat here thinking to myself what's happened to Castout after his little 'I'm right, you're wrong and going to hell' posts. :hmmm:

Reincarntated I'd say. :D

[Tribesman]

Reincarntated I'd say.
Nasty, accurate but nasty:rotfl2:

As I see it, there are three ways of approaching this matter scientifically.

No you are wrong because you come to the answer that sky says is wrong, the fact that it is the only real answer which can be given is irrelevant as it is the wrong answer for some.

[Hottentot]

No you are wrong because you come to the answer that sky says is wrong, the fact that it is the only real answer which can be given is irrelevant as it is the wrong answer for some.

How is this different from when I asked Anthony to provide sources for his controversial views on the American Civil War?

[Skybird]

So if I understand correctly, you consider the idea that world will end in 2012 such an idea? As I see it, there are three ways of approaching this matter scientifically.

1: Claim that the world ends in 2012. Results: someone says "prove it."
2: Claim that the world won't end in 2012. Result: Someone says: "prove it."
3: Claim that the end of the world is a possible, even if very unlikely event and we can't predict when or how quickly it will happen, and therefore answer "I don't know". I'd choose this, because I can't prove 1 or 2.

I see the same with any fiction. I don't run around saying that the moon is made of cheese, because I don't believe it is. But if someone is willing to prove me scientifically that it is, then I'm willing to listen. Not agree or start believing: simply to listen and then make up my mind if I start to believe in it or not. Most likely not, but listening won't cost me anything.

Well, actually I would not really object to that.

Point is: a claim is just a clkaim, and an opinion is just an opinion. Both are nothing vlauable in themselves. Valuable makes them what they are based upon, and the way somebody explains why he considers them.

A theory in the way I use the term - and that is deriving from ther ancient Greeks' fundament they laid for what today we call scientific methodology - is based on an observation you make in reality, and then you want to explain the phenomenon. You start to develope a system that allows you to approach that phenomenon by means of "trial & error" in an effort to understand the "how does it work" and in order to predict the phenomenon'S behaviour.

A hypothesis is less than a theory, nevertheless is also based on something you undeiably can link to reality - not just fictional ideas and just claism about reality, but real reality. You then work to turn the hypothesis into a theory. The more predictable your assumtpions and conlcusions you stated in your hypothesis become, the more it turns into a theory.

But just sitting down and having an idea of fiction, just making a random remark that just happened to be on your mind and cannot immediately be falsified, something like that there are pink, flying tri-eyed elephants singing on the dark dark side of Io - that is no theory. It also is no hypothesis. It is just that: just a claim, a fictional fantasy. So is the claim that the world got created in six days. Or that somewhere in the solar system giant glibbery jellyfish swarm with the solar wind and eat particle streams and cosimc radiation. Or that the world ends on a certain date due to an ancient culture with very limited experience and knowledge claimed due to a flawed concedtion of theirs. Superstition makes for a bad source of material to form hypothesis, not to mention "theories".

The statement that you plan to build your life on the lottery win you are about to win second-next weekend, makes more sense beside it'S obvious absurdity, than the Mayan claim. Becasue for the lottrary win second-mnext weekend you at least have a small, a very small probability that it could turn out (if you buy a ticket). That is not a claim, that is mathematics. But to see any causal link between a Mayan prophecy and a future event - that is superstition. Fiction. Imagination. And actually, the fears of the Y2K bug could be defended, there were technical arguments that made it appearing as a possibility why such bugs maybe would cause troubles. you could explain it. But the Mayan prophecy - explain why the end shouild end on that and that date, explain the How it should take place, and how they could have known it centuries ago!

It's just a claim by an people with awfully lesser insight and knowedge than we have today. And this superiority in knoweldge we can rightfully point at today - that is what people should not forget when assessing what to think about a claim made many centuries ago. Link that causally to any variable of reality as we know it - then you can form a hypothesis, or even an educated theory maybe. Show that there is a stellar object hitting Earth on that date. A pandemic wiping out mankind. A nuclear war breaking out not one day earlier or one day later, but right on that day.

As long as you cannot do that, you have nothing - just a random claim. Like the claim that there are pink, flying tri-eyed elephants singing the British anthem in reverse on the dark side on Io.

[Hottentot]

a claim is just a clkaim, and an opinion is just an opinion. Both are nothing vlauable in themselves. Valuable makes them what they are based upon, and the way somebody explains why he considers them.

Agreed.


But just sitting down and having an idea of fiction, just making a random remark that just happened to be on your mind and cannot immediately be falsified, something like that there are pink, flying tri-eyed elephants singing on the dark dark side of Io - that is no theory. It also is no hypothesis. It is just that: just a claim, a fictional fantasy.
Again, agreed. But it is not my job to falsify it: it is the claimant's job to prove that it's true. Usually in discussions like these someone tends to say: "OK, prove me that Santa Claus doesn't exist. Oh you can't? Well you must believe in Santa Claus then." But I have never said that Santa Claus exists in the first place, so it's a strawman.

The issue I see in this thread is that no one has said the world is going to end in 2012: they have said that they don't know. You are right in that the original idea is based on the end of the calendar (usually), and I agree that it's not a suitable proof of anything. But those who make that claim are not here to defend their claim, and it's not either the job of those who say "I don't know".

I say I don't know, because I mean that. If you asked me instead what I believe, it would be entirely different. Then I'd say: "No, the world is not going to end in 2012". At the moment it seems highly unlikely to me. But if right after that I opened up the TV and saw the news saying: "China to declare nuclear war on the world: bombs start falling in 5 minutes", my belief could change.

To know that it's not going to happen, I'd have to be able to see into the future with 100% certainty, which I can't do.


But the Mayan prophecy - explain why the end shouild end on that and that date, explain the How it should take place, and how they could have known it centuries ago!
You know, as a historian I'd love to hear that as well.

[frau kaleun]

But the Mayan prophecy - explain why the end shouild end on that and that date, explain the How it should take place, and how they could have known it centuries ago!


You know, as a historian I'd love to hear that as well.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4209/mayancalendar.jpg

[Skybird]

The issue I see in this thread is that no one has said the world is going to end in 2012: they have said that they don't know. You are right in that the original idea is based on the end of the calendar (usually), and I agree that it's not a suitable proof of anything. But those who make that claim are not here to defend their claim, and it's not either the job of those who say "I don't know".


I get it differently, a bit. To me it is evident that in the thread and the poll, there is assumed to be a link between that prophecy, and reality.

Could the end of the world come at a given date? Absolutely. Unlikely, but possible in the meaning that we cannot rule out to NOT POSSESS a certain piece of knowledge that would reveal this grim scenario as a reality unfolding.

But to me, that is not what the poll is about.

It is about: do you think the prophecy is right? The content of that prophecy is almost irrelevant, the thing is there is asked for whether or not people believe there is a link between reality and said prophecy. I know it does not explcitly askl this question, but to me that is what it inherently expresses.

And this is where my criticism starts: the prophecy is such that I think it needs a good ammount of intentional anti-intellectuality to even take into account the possibility that there is something one does not know about the link of that prophecy with reality. The Mayans gave no convincing argument why it all should end on that and that date. Neither did we get any clue why it should or even could end on that date by the emans available to us today. And even if it would end on that date - is that the evidcence that the Mayans knew it in advance - or is it just random coincidence? If the Mayans would have given explicit detail about an asteroid coming from this or that area of space, calculating it'S path precisely - and when our modenr instruments would find it, observe it, verifying the Mayan calculations - well, that would be something. And the Mayan claim would not be a prophecy at all, but a scientific observation paired with correct mathematical calculation.

It is absurd to assume there is such a causal link between next yars reality and centuries-old prophecy. And I think it also minimises the potential of human intelligence to assume that maybe there is still room for uncertainty. I wpould sayx the same about for example any of those typical creationist claims that they demand to be taught aslong with normal biology lessons in schools. I would refuse that, totally, because creationist "science" is no science, but fiction and fairy-tale and has been shown wrong scientifically on so many occasions, and deflecting its own attacks against science as well.

In other threads I have described possible scenarios that could bring down man's civilistion, or even end most of the life on this panet in the forseeable future. Wars. Environmental issues. Cosmic disasters. Pandemias. Cultures collapsing due to lacking food and resources. I extensively quoted Jarred Diamond's book "Collapse". And so on. But these scenarios and their historic examples are not what the Mayan prophecy was about, and cannot be linked to the detailed date the Mayans gave. The Mayan prophecy does not even touch upon all these issues.

After checks and analysis, I see no argument whatever that allows to classify the Mayan prpohecy as anytjign else but just a (superstitious!?) claim. And that is what makes it a problem for me to still give it the benefit of doubt.

[Tribesman]

How is this different
Try reading what I wrote again as you seem to miss the point.:03:

[Tribesman]

Could the end of the world come on a given date? Absolutely. Unlikely, but possible in the meaning that we cannot rule out to NOT POSSESS a certain piece of knowledge that would reveal this grim scenario as a reality unfolding.

Wow , has Sky miraculously come to be one of those disgraceful intellectual cripples he has been moaning about by understanding that there is only one real answer?

But to me, that is not what the poll is about.
Errrrr no, as if he had become one of those disgraceful intellectual cripples he would be saying "ooops I get it now, I was wrong.":rotfl2:

[Sailor Steve]

You simplify it and summarise it as "Skybird offends peoples"
No, not "offends people". That goes with believing, or even saying pretty much anything, and I do it a lot myself. It's the insulting, demeaning manner it which you do it. It's fine to believe what you want, even that you're better than the people you talk to, but when you use the kind of terms I quoted you set yourself up as the arbiter of what people should believe, which is why I call you arrogant.

This, like the earlier arguments you brought up, is a lovely example of how even when I agree with you, you still feel the need to try to belittle and insult me, and others, for not agreeing with you enough, or in the manner you decree. And I do agree with you, in case you missed the dozen or so times I've said so; I just like to hedge my bets a little.

I just make the point that 99.9999999999% probability is not 100% probability, since with the unknown there is no such thing as 100%. I've agreed with you more than once on this thread that the world almost certainly will not end next year. That said, I don't know it absolutely, and neither do you.

I am a sceptic, that means I take little for granted or untouchable, and I am open to possibilities for which the probability that they turn our true may be extremely low, but nevertheless is an option, no matter how unlikely it is.
But that's what I've been saying, and you've been condemning me for, all along. Apparently you are not open to those probabilities, because you have a whole string of insulting names for anybody who does admit to them. Again, it's not about the argument, it's about your name-calling. That was wrong, and you should know it.

And I differ these low-probability events (black swan events) from events that are the prodczut of mere fiction and imagination. These latter classes of ideas I reject to give the same status in intellectual discourse, like a theory, a black swan event, contradictory witness observations that need to be decided upon, or whatever.
As do I, and I've said so several times. Also, just so you know, saying "I don't know" isn't a hobby with me. What it is, is a reaction to people who, in political or religious arguments, assume that they're right and never question their own position, which leads them to (wait for it) stoop to name-calling, as if that in itself is an argument.

My point isn't that I don't know anything, or that I can't know anything (though to a point I believe that to be true), but that as long as there is 0.0000000001% that I might be wrong, it's fair to say "I don't know...and neither do you!"

But of course you'll once again ignore what I've said, twist it to mean what you want me to have said, and do your best to destroy that straw man.

[Hottentot]

I get it differently, a bit. To me it is evident that in the thread and the poll, there is assumed to be a link between that prophecy, and reality. Fair enough, I can now better see where you're coming from. It is indeed different to ask: "do you think the world will end in 2012" and "do you think the world will end in 2012 because of a prophecy." Even if it did end in 2012, I too would likely find it very hard to see a link between the event and any vague prophecy, Mayan or not.

:salute:


Try reading what I wrote again as you seem to miss the point.

Happens fairly often. I just thought there was a contradiction between accusing Skybird of not supporting academic standards of discussion and then this old post's (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1720556&postcount=18) bottom as a reply to me asking for Anthony to back up his claims (which he did, and which I appreciated even when I finally disagreed with his source).

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4209/mayancalendar.jpg

:rotfl2:

[Skybird]

Steve,

See my reply to Hottentott.

I claim, I state, I say: the probability that the world will end and this end in any way is linked to that Mayan prophecy, is nil. Zero. Null. Non-existent. 0.000...% That'S what my criticism is aiming at, and why I call any such assumption a disgrace of human intelligence.

The world ending on that day, would be an unlucky coincidence. Randomness. Luck. - Cheat happens.

I do not know whether the world ends on that day. But I know that it will not end due to a prophecy. that prophecy will not have caused the end of the world causally, nor will it have mystically, magically forseen a reasonable or scientific reason why the end would end on that day. And that is what it is all about.

[Sailor Steve]

I claim, I state, I say: the probability that the world will end and this end in any way is linked to that Mayan prophecy, is nil. Zero. Null. Non-existent. 0.000...% That'S what my criticism is aiming at, and why I call any such assumption a disgrace of human intelligence.
Maybe you should reread the poll and the first post. At no point does the OP say it will end because of the prophecy. He merely asks if you believe it will end.

The world ending on that day, would be an unlucky coincidence. Randomness. Luck. - Cheat happens.
I completely agree.

I do not know whether the world ends on that day. But I know that it will not end due to a prophecy. that prophecy will not have caused the end of the world causally, nor will it have mystically, magically forseen a reasonable or scientific reason why the end would end on that day. And that is what it is all about.
Have we been arguing at cross-points? All I've ever said was that I don't know for certain that the world won't end next year. No, I don't believe in God. That doesn't mean I know there isn't one, which is why I could never be an atheist. I don't believe in ghosts, or in prophesies of this type. That aside, I just admit that I could be wrong.

As I said, hedging my bets.

[Skybird]

Maybe you should reread the poll and the first post. At no point does the OP say it will end because of the prophecy. He merely asks if you believe it will end.



Again, read my reply to Hottentott. To me it is an evident implication that the poll links the event and the prophecy, and do not see them as unlinked.

And I hope we must not start another microispcopic discussion now on to wehat degree implications play a role in verbal and non-verbal human communication, and to what degree lack of precise words get compensated by basing on implications, or implications may have caused lacking precision in verbal expression and contemtporary language and ...

Von Stökschen zum Hölzchen - possible, yes, one can do that. But it is hardly a profitable endavour.

[Sailor Steve]

Fair enough, but I don't see how you see an implication when it's not mentioned at all. In your own mind, perhaps?

[mapuc]

You know, if the world comes to an end on 21st of december 2012, none of us can write about it here on subsim or other forums.

We can't say "They were right" and they can't say "What did we say"

You have to understand that this 2012 phenomena have been changed alot, from it became known to the public and until now.

Latest is that it will start on 21st of dec. 2012 and end in year 2013-2014. A few month ago it was said it would start in Nov 2011 and all this would end on 21st of dec 2012. So 22nd of dec. 2012 would be day 0 in the new world.

First it was the magnetic poles that would change places, then the world would tip over a.s.o a.s.o

However, what makes it really funny and very much untrustworthy is the escalation of threat coming from space.

First it was a little meteor, then it grow to become far bigger and now it's an entire solar system heading our way.

Markus

[mapuc]

Here's an important thing.

Everyone that I have asked "What comes into your mind, when I say end of the world"

Everyone say, meteor impact, earthquake, tsunami, vulcano eruption.

But what if the end of the world doesn't mean our earth, but our society, government a.s.o

As someone wrote before a totall collapse of our economy and a WWIII with neuclear weapon, surely would mean the end of the world.


Markus

[Skybird]

Fair enough, but I don't see how you see an implication when it's not mentioned at all. In your own mind, perhaps?
I don't think so. When you tell a story about aliens and next ask whether people believe that "we are alone" or not, it is not very believable when the author after the poll would claim he does not mean aliens and life on other planets but something else like for example the possibility that elves live unseen in the woods. The closeness in time of his tale about aliens, and the poll he raises on our opinion that we are alone or not, implies he asks for our opinion on that there is alien life. If he meant som,ething different,m he shoudl have set the poll up in a different way, with a different, more precise description that makes it clear he now was polling something different than what he previously talked about.

Interpreting implications that are there even if not spoken out word by word, pretty much is everyday routine in our human communications, I think. You may now say that is subjective, and you would be right. But so much in spoken communication is subjective interpretation: tone of voice, choice of words, parallel body language, etc.

[Skybird]

Here's an important thing.

Everyone that I have asked "What comes into your mind, when I say end of the world"

Everyone say, meteor impact, earthquake, tsunami, vulcano eruption.

But what if the end of the world doesn't mean our earth, but our society, government a.s.o



HEY...!!! :nope: My communication with Steve already is complicated enough...!!! Stop making it even more complex!

[Sailor Steve]

Well, you say you see a connection that I say isn't there.
You say I'm a disgrace, which I say is unfair.
I say you're a preacher who pretends to know it all.
You say I'm in denial, and headed for a fall.
You say I preach freedom, but would give it all away.
I say you would kill it just to save it for a day.
You think that I'm dreaming, with nothing real to show.
I think that your blinded by the things you think you know.
You say that it's better to stand for something strong.
I say that it's better to admit I may be wrong.
Before this line of reasoning takes hold to start again,
I feel it fair to warn you that you cannot ever win.
Before you take that the wrong way and plan out your reply,
I think its fair to tell you that I know neither can I.





Or, if you want to know the whole story, click on my link and check out 'Menace To Society'.

[geetrue]

I thought everyone knew who chicken little is: n.
A confirmed pessimist, particularly one who warns of impending disaster.
http://www.answers.com/topic/chicken-little-pessimist#ixzz1ftK382Ut

Just using him as an example or I could've said, "the world thinks that something will happen" but that would include sane people and insane people.

The poll answers are very simple yea or nay or undecided

Nothing to argue about and like mapus said,

"You know, if the world comes to an end on 21st of december 2012, none of us can write about it here on subsim or other forums."

[Tribesman]

My communication with Steve already is complicated enough...!!! Stop making it even more complex!
It is only complex because silly arrogance is stopping Sky from going "ooops".:rotfl2:


You know, if the world comes to an end on 21st of december 2012, none of us can write about it here on subsim or other forums.

Exactly, no one can know until it comes or doesn't.

[Madox58]

After reading this whole thread?
I HOPE the World Ends on that date to relieve the head ache!
:nope:

[Sailor Steve]

After reading this whole thread?
I HOPE the World Ends on that date to relieve the head ache!
:nope:
We could probably arrange that. :O:

Can I have your bike? :D

[Madox58]

If the World ends December 21st, 2012?
I hereby bequest my 2005 Triumph to Sailor Steve.
:D

[Sailor Steve]

Talk about hedging your bets! :rotfl2:

[Madox58]

:yep:

[frau kaleun]

If the World ends December 21st, 2012?


Well, he'll still have to wait a good bit. That's why we live in Ohio, everything here happens ten years later. :haha:

[Madox58]

DAMN IT!!
:stare:
I wasn't gonna tell him that!
:haha:

[nikimcbee]

Well, he'll still have to wait a good bit. That's why we live in Ohio, everything here happens ten years later. :haha:

I thought that was Iowa? Maybe they are 20 years later?

[nikimcbee]

Well, he'll still have to wait a good bit. That's why we live in Ohio, everything here happens ten years later. :haha:

See out here on the West Coast it's different.

California will catch on fire and ore-gone will do whatever kali-fornia does, so ore-gone will light itself on fire, then Washington ignites.

Hopefully torplexed gets out by then.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, he'll still have to wait a good bit. That's why we live in Ohio, everything here happens ten years later. :haha:

DAMN IT!!
:stare:
I wasn't gonna tell him that!
:haha:
Far too late. When I first came here back in '71 I saw a bumper sticker that said "Welcome to Utah - Set your clocks back 20 years!"

[Madox58]

Well then, if the World ends in 2012, Ohio goes in 2022, and Utah is another 10 behind.
So you get the Triumph in 2032.
:up:
It will be a collectors Item then!

[nikimcbee]

Far too late. When I first came here back in '71 I saw a bumper sticker that said "Welcome to Utah - Set your clocks back 20 years!"


I don't think that holds true any more. Well, atleast post olympics.

[nikimcbee]

Well then, if the World ends in 2012, Ohio goes in 2022, and Utah is another 10 behind.
So you get the Triumph in 2032.
:up:

Salt Lake subsim meet 2032?

Sheesh, think of how many posts Jim will have by then!?!

[Madox58]

Neal will need to lauch a new donation thing just to cover Steve..........
And a few others that are 'fluant' in posting by that time.
:haha:

[Sailor Steve]

In 2032 I'll be 82. My dad turns 84 in a couple of days, so I might make it. I probably won't be able to ride, and I probably won't enjoy anything at all, but I might be around.

Oh, joy. :dead:

[Jimbuna]

Salt Lake subsim meet 2032?

Sheesh, think of how many posts Jim will have by then!?!

I should imagine I'll be pushing up daisies by then :doh:

[geetrue]

I have twenty years left ... I say that every year of course, but what is that year come to 2032 or so? :yep:

I want to be buried on a hill with a big oak tree overlooking a nudist colony with those little twirly things
all around my grave to keep the birds away.

Lets all meet in Pearl (Hawaii) for the 2032 sub sim meet :up:

[nikimcbee]

Lets all meet in Pearl (Hawaii) for the 2032 sub sim meet :up:


We can't. In the year 2020 emperor obama sells Hawaii to the Chinese as a down payment on the debt.

[Jimbuna]

We can't. In the year 2020 emperor obama sells Hawaii to the Chinese as a down payment on the debt.

London 2012 :sunny:

[nikimcbee]

London 2012 :sunny:

That's what I say. Newcastle2012? I think everybody should give Neal a ring. (not to get married)

[mapuc]

London 2012 :sunny:
Then it has to be long before the Olympic, 'cause it will be really crowde

Markus

[Jimbuna]

That's what I say. Newcastle2012? I think everybody should give Neal a ring. (not to get married)


Jason...I'm depending on you to do the '2012' business :03:

[geetrue]

Only 20 days left to do your Christmas shopping?

I don't think so ... surely we will have a couple of more days
after the 21st.

I think :o

[Armistead]

Yes, I think something major will happen and have explained so to my wife, not buying presents for xmas.

I am more concerned aliens are behind this and may beam a few million people up for anal probes. I think this will be considered the rapture, so hopefully that will only happen to a selected group.

I plan to wrap my dog and myself in tinfoil that day and go hide in a cave, so I won't be here to post.

The fact is even those that think it's silly will still be a lil stressed that day.

On a lighter note, on CNN they showed a story of people really preparing. They're several people that said they plan to kill themselves and children the day before, police have even intervened and removed kids from two parents.

Least if it happens we can all say we lived to see it.

[mapuc]

This is what I'm 150 % sure of

The day after 21th of December, the believes of "the end of the world 2012" will "invent" a new day where the world is coming to an end

Markus

[Jimbuna]

On a lighter note, on CNN they showed a story of people really preparing. They're several people that said they plan to kill themselves and children the day before, police have even intervened and removed kids from two parents.

Least if it happens we can all say we lived to see it.

Best if they're put in a padded cell for 'safe keeping' :o

[Betonov]

13 April 2012 is the date to worry about.



Sweet mother of god :o:o:o

One year before it happened, Platapus predicted the date when I lost half my finger on the sawmill :o:o

[Oberon]

Best if they're put in a padded cell for 'safe keeping' :o

I must admit, I am concerned about the potential of a spate of mass suicides on or before December 21st.

[Jimbuna]

I must admit, I am concerned about the potential of a spate of mass suicides on or before December 21st.

Not much anyone can actually do to prevent that....best to make sure family and loved ones are nowhere near folk like that.

[Oberon]

Not much anyone can actually do to prevent that....best to make sure family and loved ones are nowhere near folk like that.

Aye, and I think people like the ATB and FBI would have eyes on likely suspects and may even find a reason to raid them on the 19th or 20th.

[Jimbuna]

Aye, and I think people like the ATB and FBI would have eyes on likely suspects and may even find a reason to raid them on the 19th or 20th.

Possibly but sadly, only time will tell.

[Oberon]

Possibly but sadly, only time will tell.

In all senses, Time will indeed tell.

[Jimbuna]

In all senses, Time will indeed tell.

LOL :)

[Armistead]

I know the government, NASA, etc., say all will be OK, but who do you trust the most, the Mayans or the government.

Again, the funny thing is will all breathe a small sigh of relief when the day is over...

[Madox58]

Oh just wait till Dec 21st passes.

I'm makeing a prophecy right now!

"Law suits over disaster date floods the Courts around the Globe!
Many people feel they were conned into buying into 'Prepper' items.
Includeing shelters that cost thousands of dollars.
Several people panic and kill innocent persons now faceing charges.
(Shades of 'War of the Worlds')"
:haha:

That will be $2.00 now.
Click the sig below to pay.
:03:

[CaptainMattJ.]

One thing is certain: It'll be the end of the world for someone, somewhere on earth. Many people. Hopefully for no one that we know.

[STEED]

One thing is for sure, some people are going to make a lot of money out of it.

[BossMark]

Well as long as its quick, but I have no doubt what so ever that I will getting very pissed Christmas eve\day and Boxing day :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Well as long as its quick, but I have no doubt what so ever that I will getting very pissed Christmas eve\day and Boxing day :yep:

Must be nice to know one has the festive period off with a degree of certainty.

[mapuc]

I have told you this before in some other thread

Why is these people so determined on extern event(meteor, niburu etc) on judgment day

It's annoy me somehow that almost no one have thought of, the possibility that the biggest chance for kill the human race is our self.

Markus

[Oberon]

It's annoy me somehow that almost no one have thought of, the possibility that the biggest chance for kill the human race is our self.

Markus

We're certainly the most efficient at it, I wonder if you compared the amount of people who have been killed by natural events in human history and compared it to those who have been killed by non-natural events which would be the highest. :hmmm: Particularly when you factor in the two world wars.

[CaptainMattJ.]

We're certainly the most efficient at it, I wonder if you compared the amount of people who have been killed by natural events in human history and compared it to those who have been killed by non-natural events which would be the highest. :hmmm: Particularly when you factor in the two world wars.
as natural as disease and old age death, wild life ect.? Yea, the winner would be very clear.

at maximum a billion, maybe 2 killed by other humans in the history of mankind.

approximately 108 billion people who have ever lived.

Nature wins.

There are many, many natural events that could wipe out all life on earth, or at least decimate large swaths of life. comparitively only 3 options for killing off the human race.

Everyone kills themselves
Everyone stops reproducing
We bomb ourselves and most of the world into oblivion. then again it's possible to survive in a fallout shelter with greenhouse facilities, though you'd have to be in there for MANY years before the radiation levels became low enough to walk around on the surface. With something like an asteroid impact, you probably wouldn't even be safe in a fallout shelter, unless it was very deep underground. A supervolcanic eruption would cause the world to be covered in ash for a VERY long time, nearly uninhabitable.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/12/3/LYnR89M0BkGL4-y2RpjkYA2.jpg

[Takeda Shingen]

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/12/3/LYnR89M0BkGL4-y2RpjkYA2.jpg

:haha:

[BossMark]

Must be nice to know one has the festive period off with a degree of certainty.
Its fell right for once with my shift pattern, the last two years I throw on the sick :hmmm:

[Sonarman]

"Will December 21st to 31st 2012 be the end of the world we know and love"

No of course not... the devs have already said Silent Hunter Online probably won't be released until Spring 2013 :up:

[Jimbuna]

Its fell right for once with my shift pattern, the last two years I throw on the sick :hmmm:

I wish I could say that...I'm on duty from 1500 Christmas Day till 1515 on Boxing Day :-?

[Gerald]

I work so all can be safe,:|\\

[Armistead]

The reason I was born was due to a real possible crisis, the Cuban missle crisis. My parents felt the world was gonna blow up and decided to have fun without protection why my father was on leave from the AF. I thought they were kidding until I did the math...

Geesh, my life begins and ends due to the end of the world....

[Jimbuna]

The reason I was born was due to a real possible crisis, the Cuban missle crisis. My parents felt the world was gonna blow up and decided to have fun without protection why my father was on leave from the AF. I thought they were kidding until I did the math...

Geesh, my life begins and ends due to the end of the world....

Your lucky, my parents couldn't afford a tv licence and had to make up their own entertainment.

[mapuc]

here's a good homepage for you that's a little nervous and think the world is coming to an end

http://www.endoftheworld2012.net/mayancalendar2012.htm

Markus

[Betonov]

pft, amateurs :O:

I'm a one night stand going on for 27 years now :O:

[Jimbuna]

'Mayan'...that's a curry dish isn't it? :hmmm:

[Armistead]

here's a good homepage for you that's a little nervous and think the world is coming to an end

http://www.endoftheworld2012.net/mayancalendar2012.htm

Markus

I'm too nervous to click the link, plus I don't trust anyone.

[Jimbuna]

I'm too nervous to click the link, plus I don't trust anyone.

Wise choice :03:

[Madox58]

my parents couldn't afford a tv licence
:o
WTH is a TV License?

Is that like a Drivers License where you have to take a test to see if you can handle the TV in a safe manor and then pay a fee every few years to re-new it?

[Jimbuna]

:o
WTH is a TV License?

Is that like a Drivers License where you have to take a test to see if you can handle the TV in a safe manor and then pay a fee every few years to re-new it?

In the UK you have to pay a tv licence to watch tv...ya daft bugger :)

[Madox58]

In the UK you have to pay a tv licence to watch tv...ya daft bugger :)

:hmmm:
What's the fine for not paying?
You get your eyes poked out?
:har:

[Cybermat47]

I thought that the 25th and 31st of December, 2009, were The End of Time as man knew it...

[Jimbuna]

:hmmm:
What's the fine for not paying?
You get your eyes poked out?
:har:

Not really but each shag becomes progressively more expensive :03:

[Madox58]

Not really but each shag becomes progressively more expensive :03:
So you pay for a license then also pay for Cable or DirectTV or whatever service?
(This is something I never knew!)

[Jimbuna]

So you pay for a license then also pay for Cable or DirectTV or whatever service?
(This is something I never knew!)

Sadly that is the norm in the UK Jeff :yep:

[Madox58]

WOW!
:o

I am totally at a loss for words!
We joke about being taxed to breath air sooner or later and now I find out
you (And probably me sooner then I could imagine) are being taxed to use your eyes to gaze at a TV!

That's just so wrong that it just leaves me with a bad feeling for the future.

[Platapus]

It would be just my luck to win a huge lottery a month before the world comes to an end. :yep:

[mapuc]

I'm too nervous to click the link, plus I don't trust anyone.

I can telle you that it's not one of these conspiracy pages

It's a homepage that tells you how it really is

Here is what it is written in the right upper corner

"
December 21, 2012 is NOT the end of the world! Discover the lies, myths and bad science behind the predictions"


Here are litte from the text

"The abrupt ending of the Mayan Long Count Calendar on December 21 2012 has been described as a prophecy of the end of an age and maybe the world. However in the Mayan Calendar 2012 is not presented as a prophecy of the end of the world. The Mayan Calendar 2012 prophecy is just some people's interpretation; an interpretation that many do not believe. It also needs to be said that Mayan scholars themselves say this idea misrepresents Mayan history. They say that in the long count Mayan Calendar 2012 is not an end of the world doomsday calendar."

But if you believe we are heading for the judgement day-then don't click on the link.

Markus

[yubba]

I guess, I got time to break in, a new pair of lucky underware. I guess if the worlds to end better have some clean underware.

[nikimcbee]

So I wonder if the Mayans are going to do a better job of predicting the end than the jehovah witnesses have?:haha::hmm2:

What is their record, 0-5?:har:

[Armistead]

I can telle you that it's not one of these conspiracy pages

It's a homepage that tells you how it really is

Here is what it is written in the right upper corner

"
December 21, 2012 is NOT the end of the world! Discover the lies, myths and bad science behind the predictions"


Here are litte from the text

"The abrupt ending of the Mayan Long Count Calendar on December 21 2012 has been described as a prophecy of the end of an age and maybe the world. However in the Mayan Calendar 2012 is not presented as a prophecy of the end of the world. The Mayan Calendar 2012 prophecy is just some people's interpretation; an interpretation that many do not believe. It also needs to be said that Mayan scholars themselves say this idea misrepresents Mayan history. They say that in the long count Mayan Calendar 2012 is not an end of the world doomsday calendar."

But if you believe we are heading for the judgement day-then don't click on the link.

Markus

I'm not convinced........I'll be wrapping my dog and myself in tinfoil on the 20th...Something big is gonna happen and I think aliens are behind it all.

[Jimbuna]

WOW!
:o

I am totally at a loss for words!
We joke about being taxed to breath air sooner or later and now I find out
you (And probably me sooner then I could imagine) are being taxed to use your eyes to gaze at a TV!

That's just so wrong that it just leaves me with a bad feeling for the future.

The tv licence £12.50) per month funds the BBC (no adverts between programmes) but the other channels receive nothing and derive their money from advertisers (advertisements in between programmes).

[Morts]

The tv licence £12.50) per month funds the BBC (no adverts between programmes) but the other channels receive nothing and derive their money from advertisers (advertisements in between programmes).
We have the same thing here in Denmark.
It keeps those channels ad free and they actually supply quite a lot of quality shows, so i dont mind.

[Aces]

Just in case the world does come to an end on the 21st.

Better safe than sorry :D

http://blog.gessato.com/2012/05/17/just-in-case-2012-end-of-the-world-survival-kit/

Regards

Aces

[Jimbuna]

We have the same thing here in Denmark.
It keeps those channels ad free and they actually supply quite a lot of quality shows, so i dont mind.

Don't know about Denmark but here in the UK you must pay the licence fee if you have a tv regardless of what channels you watch.

[mapuc]

I'm not convinced........I'll be wrapping my dog and myself in tinfoil on the 20th...Something big is gonna happen and I think aliens are behind it all.

Ohh, having seen to much X-Files?? :D

Markus

[Hottentot]

Don't know about Denmark but here in the UK you must pay the licence fee if you have a tv regardless of what channels you watch.

Ha, you lucky buggers. Ours just realized that people weren't paying their licenses enough, so they made it into a bloody tax instead. Regardless of if you have a TV or not. (I don't, so you can guess why I'm not amused.)

[Jimbuna]

I'm not convinced........I'll be wrapping my dog and myself in tinfoil on the 20th...Something big is gonna happen and I think aliens are behind it all.

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3145/aliensmiley126.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/aliensmiley126.gif/)

[geetrue]

These Mayans guys can't be all that smart sacrificing all those vigins :o

what a waste :wah:

[soopaman2]

One week to go.

I am taking all bank transfers, and titles to vehicles in lieu of such events.

After all, we are going to die, I will generously offer you 2-5% of what you property is worth, I am the one taking all the loss, we are all toasted corpses in a week.

Do the right thing, sell to me.

Can't take it to hell with you, and I highly doubt too many of us will see heaven regardless of who you voted for.

Yes I am talking to the 5 suckers who voted yea, ;)

[Gerald]

You got a point here,:)

[soopaman2]

All kidding aside, or joke votes and such.


Who are the 5 people who thinks this crap is the end.

The Mayans need to write a new Baktun. Nothing more, nothing less.

Would you like me to list all doomsday predictions that faltered?

Or do you want to sign you property over to me?

PM me, if so.

Come on, your all going to die. Just saying.

[u crank]

One week to go.

Ready!

http://www.zombiesupplycanada.ca/pictures/zombie_permit_2012-2013(small).jpg

[Gerald]

All kidding aside, or joke votes and such.


Who are the 5 people who thinks this crap is the end.

The Mayans need to write a new Baktun. Nothing more, nothing less.

Would you like me to list all doomsday predictions that faltered?

Or do you want to sign you property over to me?

PM me, if so.

Come on, your all going to die. Just saying. Well..I have heard many predictions over the years, very related to my job, and those who have voted because they believe in this, let it be, no one can yet how it ends do something about it in the very ends, one week or 1000 years,no matter.

[geetrue]

Ready!

http://www.zombiesupplycanada.ca/pictures/zombie_permit_2012-2013(small).jpg


The small print on the back of mine says that the zombie has to hole punch the month you kill him in or it doesn't count ... bummer!

Who has the time to loan a zombie a hole punch?

[u crank]

The small print on the back of mine says that the zombie has to hole punch the month you kill him in or it doesn't count ... bummer!

Who has the time to loan a zombie a hole punch?

Can a zombie operate a hole punch?:hmmm:

[Armistead]

All kidding aside, or joke votes and such.


Who are the 5 people who thinks this crap is the end.

The Mayans need to write a new Baktun. Nothing more, nothing less.

Would you like me to list all doomsday predictions that faltered?

Or do you want to sign you property over to me?

PM me, if so.

Come on, your all going to die. Just saying.

I voted it will end or at least it will be the beginning of the end. Course I feel aliens will be behind it. I will be in my cave wrapped up in tinfoil. You may think I'm funny, but who will be laughing when you're getting anal probed by aliens....:D

[Gerald]

I voted it will end or at least it will be the beginning of the end. Course I feel aliens will be behind it. I will be in my cave wrapped up in tinfoil. You may think I'm funny, but who will be laughing when you're getting anal probed by aliens....:DNo aliens get me, even if they are a mix of anal destruction,bloody conspiracy as usual,:haha:

[Jimbuna]

I voted it will end or at least it will be the beginning of the end. Course I feel aliens will be behind it. I will be in my cave wrapped up in tinfoil. You may think I'm funny, but who will be laughing when you're getting anal probed by aliens....:D

Can't wait :):03:

[mapuc]

To who it may concern, can you tell me, where in the mayan calendar it's say something about end of the world??

I can't find any thing about that event.

Since I first time heard about this 2012-12-21 I have tried to find out where, this story toke a detour or when this feather became 5 chicken.

Markus

[Armistead]

Can't wait :):03:

Pervert....:O:

[mapuc]

guys I think you should ease on watching Sci-fi

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Pervert....:O:

Hope so :03:

[geetrue]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/12/not-happening-nasa-debunks-mayan-doomsday-prophecy/

Not Happening: NASA Debunks Mayan Doomsday Prophecy


We’ll never know if they were wrong.

NASA has quietly published a web video explaining why the world did not come to an end “yesterday,” Dec. 21, 2012.

The date of its release, December 11, was no mistake, even if doomsayers would likely call it one last act of earthly hubris. NASA uploaded the four-minute “ScienceCasts” explainer, titled “Why the World Didn’t End Yesterday,” in an effort to answer hundreds of calls and emails they receive daily. It also has a dedicated website that’s received at least 4.6 million visitors — people asking if the Maya prophecy is coming true and what they should do about it.


I feel a lot safer now that our tax dollars have been spent wisely :)


“If there was anything out there, like a planet headed for Earth, said NASA Astrobiologist David Morrison, it would already be one of the brightest objects in the sky,” the narrator explains in a cheerfully pedantic voice. “Everybody on Earth could see it. You don’t need to ask the government, just go out and look. It’s not there.”
(Note: Still not convinced? Consider this: Even if the Maya, a declining Mesoamerican civilization wiped almost entirely off the map by 17th century Spanish conquistadors, are to be trusted with this kind of high-stakes stuff, scientists agree that reports concerningtheir prediction of our collective demise have been greatly exaggerated, if not fabricated. (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/05/oldest-known-maya-calendar-found-no-signs-of-2012-doomsday/) Anthropologists say the Mayan calendar was cyclical, and frequently restarted without ending.)
As for rumors about solar flares and reports the sun is reaching the “max of its 11-year solar cycle,” well, that’s all true. But NASA calls is it the “wimpiest cycle” of the past 50 years.
Anyway, “the sun has been flaring for billions of years and it has never, once, destroyed the world.”

[Oberon]

Meanwhile in Russia:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/17/mayan-apocalypse-mania-grips-russia

[eddie]

Not much better in China, Oberon:)

http://news.msn.com/world/china-detains-93-for-doomsday-rumors

[Cybermat47]

GOOOOOODBYE WOOOOOOOOOORLD! YEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!

What do you mean the worlds going to end this Friday, it's today. What? Oh, you could've told me sooner, now I've just made myself look stupid.

[Armistead]

GOOOOOODBYE WOOOOOOOOOORLD! YEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!

What do you mean the worlds going to end this Friday, it's today. What? Oh, you could've told me sooner, now I've just made myself look stupid.


I'm still hoping the tinfoil and hiding in a cave will work..if not...

See ya on the other side, whatever it is....

[BossMark]

So the world is set to end on December the 21st. In which case, we will party hard and i shall leave this world as I entered it:
Unable to walk, speaking complete gibberish and having a go on some girl's knockers

[Sailor Steve]

I remember reading a short story in a science-fiction magazine decades ago. Some new-age prophet had predicted the end of the world and thousands of his followers joined him on a hillside to await the big moment. The predicted hour came and went and of course nothing happened. The crowd went crazy and tore the poor guy to shreds, and were on the way home when the sky opened up.

It turned out the prophet had been wrong, but only by two hours. :dead:

[Cybermat47]

^^^^^^^^^^^

That's tragic.

[Sailor Steve]

Why? I thought it was funny, or I wouldn't have shared it.

[geetrue]

So the world is set to end on December the 21st. In which case, we will party hard and i shall leave this world as I entered it:
Unable to walk, speaking complete gibberish and having a go on some girl's knockers

What your really saying is that you are going out naked and being spanked and crying for some mother's breast to feed you :woot:


This is from eddie's post about China: They take this stuff seriously :o


BEIJING — Chinese police have detained more than 500 people from a fringe Christian group for spreading rumors about the world's impending end, state media reported Tuesday.
In western China's Qinghai province alone, police arrested more than 400 members from the religious cult group, state-run China Central Television said Tuesday.
Police seized leaflets, video discs, books and other apocalyptic materials in the recent arrests of more than 500 people across eight provinces and regions, from the prosperous east coast to less developed western China, state media reports said.
The detentions come ahead of Friday, Dec. 21 — a date some say the Mayans prophesized would be the end of the world and which was the subject of the apocalyptic movie "2012."

[mapuc]

I just can't take these doomsdays prophecies serious

If you ask or watch 20 different videos on youtube, you will get 20 different ways the world is coming to an end.

Either Niburu is heading our way, Alien invasion, or some other astronomical disaster or some combination of them.

Do not sell everything you have. Do not through your wife out and keep the dog safe.

We will be here after the 21Th of December 2012 and we will be here until the day, Neal get tired of running Subsim and thereafter.

(I can't say this, because should the world come to an end, none of you can point finger at me)

Markus

[Armistead]

Well, bad news for me, my plans to tinfoil up and hide with my dog in my cave by the river have been ruined by my wife, who informs me we will be headed to her mothers. I can't imagine being on the road this day, worse place ever.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd59/blogadao/Entretendo/Independence-Day.jpg

[Harald_Lange]

I actually hope it all ends, I think its for the best. Mankind had its chance, we blew it.

[Cybermat47]

Why? I thought it was funny, or I wouldn't have shared it.

Tragic and funny.

[Cybermat47]

I actually hope it all ends, I think its for the best. Mankind had its chance, we blew it.

LOLWUT? We didn't blow our chance, just fulfilled our role in nature. The dominant species always dominates, hence the name. We are the dominant species.

[Jimbuna]

Well, bad news for me, my plans to tinfoil up and hide with my dog in my cave by the river have been ruined by my wife, who informs me we will be headed to her mothers. I can't imagine being on the road this day, worse place ever.



Simply do as instructed/ordered and you'll be fine :03:

[u crank]

Well, bad news for me, my plans to tinfoil up and hide with my dog in my cave by the river have been ruined by my wife, who informs me we will be headed to her mothers. I can't imagine being on the road this day, worse place ever.


End of the world or mother in laws. You do have a problem.:O:

[Jimbuna]

End of the world or mother in laws. You do have a problem.:O:

LOL :D

[Armistead]

End of the world or mother in laws. You do have a problem.:O:

Yea, I'd be anal probed by aliens than go there....:up:

[Jimbuna]

Yea, I'd be anal probed by aliens than go there....:up:

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3145/aliensmiley126.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/aliensmiley126.gif/)

[TarJak]

Well I've got an hour to go to find out if the Mayans were right. I'm off to bed.

[troopie]

If any one's wondering (August?) how best to deal with the forthcoming zombie apocalypse, this clip by 'Sex in the Dessert' may help you out a bit. Try to head for the beach and hang out with your local punk band; they'll keep 'em at bay for sure!. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4188QK5djs

[Fubar2Niner]

This is goiing to end in tears;

http://news.uk.msn.com/comment-and-analysis/keep-away-french-mayor-begs-mayan-apocalypse-fanatics/

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

[mapuc]

A few hours ago I heard on the radio

A professor telling the host of a popular radio show

- "It is a real chance that the world is coming to an end tomorrow"

The host then replied

- WHAT(wish I could see his face)

The professor:

"Even in a few hours from now, the world can come to an end
Do understand that there are many things that could make this possible, We have a few Supervulcanoe, we have lots of meteors that's huge.
So every day could be the last"

And he's right about that.

Markus

[STEED]

I got a farting session pencilled in for the 22nd and there is no way the world is going to end before then!

[Task Force]

Any of you people live in the far east? If the end of the world decides it wants to do it by time zones at 12:00 make sure to post pictures! :D

[TarJak]

7:48 21/12/12 Sydney Australia. Nothing to report. Unless of course this is Heaven.

[mapuc]

7:48 21/12/12 Sydney Australia. Nothing to report. Unless of course this is Heaven.

Your post made me remember a thought I have had a few times

If the world is coming to an end on dec 21Th is it mid day American easten time or noon in the area where the Mayan lived?

Or is it all around the world in the day 21Th dec?

Furthermore we should not be worried, that if we aren't living in USA. 'cause if you watch all these disaster movies it's always the Americans that get the worst hit.

Markus

[Fubar2Niner]

Furthermore we should not be worried, that if we aren't living in USA. 'cause if you watch all these disaster movies it's always the Americans that get the worst hit.

Markus

Actually I never looked at it from that angle...................... Party time :Kaleun_Party::Kaleun_Cheers::Kaleun_Cheers: :Kaleun_Party:

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

[Jimbuna]

I got a farting session pencilled in for the 22nd and there is no way the world is going to end before then!

Well it should definitely end after that then :doh:

[Gerald]

Well it should definitely end after that then :doh: LOL :)

[Jimbuna]

Actually I never looked at it from that angle...................... Party time :Kaleun_Party::Kaleun_Cheers::Kaleun_Cheers: :Kaleun_Party:

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

Should have between 5 and 7 hours warning then :03:

[TarJak]

Well given the Mayan calendar is more like a odometer clocking over today than anything else, I doubt I've got anything to worry about. 10:00 still nothing to report. This can't be heaven though. I'm at work now.:shifty:

[Jimbuna]

Well given the Mayan calendar is more like a odometer clocking over today than anything else, I doubt I've got anything to worry about. 10:00 still nothing to report. This can't be heaven though. I'm at work now.:shifty:

Same here and with an hour to go I reckon I'll still get my usual nap :yep:

[soopaman2]

6 hours left.

I am still going to work. I am not a lunatic, and if the stuff goes down, at least I will have a fully fueled backhoe to move the multitudes of corpses out of my way.

Hopefully it is a meteor, which will kill us fast, unlike a solar flare, where we will slowly burn and starve.

Get outta my way, survivor here!

I cannot wait for all the end of the world rubes to go away. One more day, and we are rid of these stupid morons, who put stock into something a pre-history civilization said to scare its own populace into thinking cutting out hearts, and throwing heads down temple stairs is a worthy pastime.

No wonder Hernan Cortez conquered the continent with a few hundred men, stupid and superstition never mix, right tea partiers?


These 2012 morons ,are just that. Morons.

[mapuc]

10 minutes past midnight and all quieted on the west front

On one of our public service channel they have put a clock that is counting down

It says

Verdens undergang(end of the world)
22:06:05..04..03

Markus

[soopaman2]

What is the Mayan rules on the international date line?

Will it end first for some, and 24 hours later for others?

Mayans, stone tooled geniuses, please enlighten me.

Mayans, human sacrifice did so much to prevent your downfall.

Mayans, too dead to create another Bak'tun.

No god of mine takes pleasure in blood. So no Mayan will ever be relevant.

If the gods were really with you, you would have kicked Cortez ass back to Spain.

But muskets and cannons trump religious bull crap.

I would love to hear from one person here who believes this crap.

I am willing to buy your property for pennies on the dollar, since we are all dead anyways.

[Oberon]

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH CONQUISTATION!


Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and smallpox...smallpox and surprise.... Our two weapons are smallpox and surprise...and ruthless plunder.... Our *three* weapons are smallpox, surprise, and ruthless plunder...and an almost fanatical devotion to the King of Spain.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as smallpox, surprise.... I'll come in again...

[August]

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH CONQUISTATION!


Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and smallpox...smallpox and surprise.... Our two weapons are smallpox and surprise...and ruthless plunder.... Our *three* weapons are smallpox, surprise, and ruthless plunder...and an almost fanatical devotion to the King of Spain.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as smallpox, surprise.... I'll come in again...


This post is proof that England has yet to be destroyed in spite of it being the 21st. Things are looking up Campers!

[Raptor1]

This is the most boring apocalypse I've ever seen. Wake me up when things start exploding, or the dead walk the earth, or something... :yawn:

[TarJak]

14:33 here and Australia is still standing. Or at least the bits I'm standing on are. This waiting is killing me.:hmph:

[Armistead]

They're hereeeeeeeeeeee

[Sailor Steve]

14:33 here
And it's not even tomorrow yet here. Or is it today? As far as your concerned we're definitely living in the past.

[TarJak]

Update from the future: the world is still here.:D

[magic452]

Rats, now I've got to go out and buy Christmas presents. :/\\!!:/\\!!:/\\!!

Magic

[Armistead]

I still don't trust it, maybe it's just the beginning of the end....but I'm gonna go ahead and go to bed.......

To think I spent on that money on "end of the world" stuff. I bought 30 5 gal food containers from the Jim Bakker or Baker show that will last 50 years...

[BossMark]

Well it s the 21st and the world seems OK, but having said that I haven't opened me curtains yet:hmmm:

[Cybermat47]

Just five hours to go...

[Cybermat47]

Well it s the 21st and the world seems OK, but having said that I haven't opened me curtains yet:hmmm:

It ends at 11:21PM Sydney time.

[TarJak]

It ends at 11:21PM Sydney time.

Who says?

[Cybermat47]

Who says?

The Mayans.

[TarJak]

When?

[Cybermat47]

Presumably when they finished their calendar.

[TarJak]

Which one the Tzolkin or the Haab?

[Cybermat47]

Yes.

[TarJak]

I doubt it. Both of them only expressed dates not hours within dates.

[Cybermat47]

Well, hours aside, I assume that it would happen on the 22nd here, as the calendar was made in an Anerican time zone :hmm2:

[BossMark]

The Mayans must have been lazy bastards when it got to 2012 or they simply ran out of ink :haha:

[TarJak]

How do you know that? It could have been made in an African time zone and imported.

[BossMark]

I see the French have already "surrendered" to the Apocalypse :har::haha:

http://news.sky.com/story/1028417/end-of-world-french-village-ready-for-doomsday

[Jimbuna]

Well I hope those aliens are fluent in French.

[Cybermat47]

How do you know that? It could have been made in an African time zone and imported.

Because it was made by Mayans, who lived in Mexico.

[TarJak]

Because it was made by Mayans, who lived in Mexico.

But where did they get it from?

[Dread Knot]

After this 2012 silliness blows over, I wonder how long it will take for the next cosmic destruction meme to become popular? I'm sure the usual backpedaling excuses are already being prepared. "We miscalculated on the math, the world will end in...

[Jimbuna]

Most people realise with a highe degree of certainty that the world will cease to exist on....................the twelfth of never :03:

[Morts]

Still waiting:Kaleun_Sleep:

[Nippelspanner]

I would so love to see the faces of the serious doomsday preppers and other maniacs... hahahaha :haha:

[Rhodes]

Noting here to report besides bad weather... :D

[STEED]

I'm very disappointed that the world is still here, what a bloody let down..again.

[BossMark]

Archaeologists have just made an amazing new discovery about the Mayan Calendar...

If you turn it over, there's another 2012 years on the other side.

[soopaman2]

I am still alive!

Who can I sue?

I kinda killed and skinned my pets just in case, my wife too. Someone owes me. But tasty meat at least, no more barking meowing or nagging!


$$$$$$:O:

(I am kidding do not call the FBI on me):D

[Armistead]

I really upset about this and have no respect for the Mayans.... I should've known better, if they were that smart, they would have survived their end of the world.

Anyways,

I've got 30 5 gal. buckets of food for sale if anyone is interested.

[STEED]

Archaeologists have just made an amazing new discovery about the Mayan Calendar...

If you turn it over, there's another 2012 years on the other side.

:har:

[soopaman2]

I really upset about this and have no respect for the Mayans.... I should've known better, if they were that smart, they would have survived their end of the world.

The Mayans used to roll peoples heads down stairs for amusement, people oughta be shot for substantiating this bull crap for so long.

[Armistead]

The Mayans used to roll peoples heads down stairs for amusement, people oughta be shot for substantiating this bull crap for so long.


How did they roll peoples heads down stairs, wouldn't their bodies get in the way?

[soopaman2]

How did they roll peoples heads down stairs, wouldn't their bodies get in the way?

You serious or breaking my balls?

They tied them to a stone table and gutted them alive, then decapitated them and rolled the head down the stairs of the temple.

Listening to them is like drinking the flavor-aid Jim Jones just handed you.:O:

[Armistead]

You serious or breaking my balls?

They tied them to a stone table and gutted them alive, then decapitated them and rolled the head down the stairs of the temple.

Listening to them is like drinking the flavor-aid Jim Jones just handed you.:O:


We're they the first to do this, where did they learn this behavior, from the Christians..?

[Oberon]

I'm very disappointed that the world is still here, what a bloody let down..again.

Bloody Tories strike again, if this was a Labour government the world would have ended on schedule, but no, the Tories just had to privatise it and now it's running late. :nope:

[soopaman2]

We're they the first to do this, where did they learn this behavior, from the Christians..?

Hernan Cortez when he arrived, was disgusted by these rituals.


Not saying Christians are clean, just saying that a man who converted by musketpoint found the behavior barbaric.

Pretense to loot them of all gold...Yeah yeah I know :doh:

[Sailor Steve]

They tied them to a stone table and gutted them alive, then decapitated them and rolled the head down the stairs of the temple.
From my (admittedly limited) reading, The Mayans, unlike the Aztecs who followed them, mostly sacrificed animals. When they did sacrifice a human being it was usually a captured enemy. The Aztecs actually had chosen sacrifices, who considered it an honor.

We're they the first to do this, where did they learn this behavior, from the Christians..?
Human sacrifice was common to all the "civilized" pre-Columbian cultures. This was part of the justification given by the Conquistadores for wiping them out. It was part of their belief system, which they didn't learn from anyone else. As far as I know no Christian cultures did this; at least not as part of their belief system.

[Takeda Shingen]

From my (admittedly limited) reading, The Mayans, unlike the Aztecs who followed them, mostly sacrificed animals. When they did sacrifice a human being it was usually a captured enemy. The Aztecs actually had chosen sacrifices, who considered it an honor.

Even for the Aztecs, the scope of human sacrifice was likely much smaller than stated. The 250k figure given by the original sources would mean that something like 14 people were to be sacrificed per minute for a whole year. Even if such a feat were physically possible, one would have to ask where they were getting all of these people from, espeically when you consider that the population of 16th century London was around 225,000.

The real numbers were probably less than 200 per year, with the inflated numbers being propaganda used to intimidate the Aztec's enemies.

[soopaman2]

Ahhhhh!:o

Steve you jarred my memory!

I confused the Aztecs with the Mayans, making my diatribe on Cortez moot.

[mapuc]

I would so love to see the faces of the serious doomsday preppers and other maniacs... hahahaha :haha:

You too

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