British embassy in Teheran stormed, burning

[Skybird]

Der Spiegel refers to sources that paint a grimmer picture of the events than the BBC, which reports more hesitently about it currently. The real scale of events remains to be uncovered still.

Dozens of raging protesters should have stormed the compund and throwing gasoline bombs/Molotow cocktails. The main building should be partially or completely in flames. Staff had to flee. Riot police is on the scene, some say it is fighting with protesters, others say it stays inactive.

Seems they try to boost their reputation for embassy attacks. Being sovereign territory by international agreements, storming an embassy by force to me is nothing else but a declaration of war.

[the_tyrant]

The UK should break diplomatic relations
after all, what country allows its protesters to storm embassies?

[Skybird]

We owe it to our sensibility for exotic rites and habits not to do so. After all, the behaviour and the temperament in foreign cultures is to be equally appreciated, and is as precious and civilised as ours. We also shall not distrub the diplomatic process of talking the Iranian nuclear plans out of their heads. Talking is better than violence, you know.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Are these the same 'militant students' that were rising (badly) against I'm a dinner jacket a couple of years ago! Looks like they've turned. :nope:

[the_tyrant]

:har:
Sad thing is, I can actually picture the british saying that:nope:

[TLAM Strike]

Whatever happened to an embassy being sovereign territory of a nation? :06:

[1480]

Whatever happened to an embassy being sovereign territory of a nation? :06:

Still is. They just spit in the Brits face and said, "You like that?????"

[Herr-Berbunch]

Whatever happened to an embassy being sovereign territory of a nation? :06:

British diplomats are now only armed with paper, but those cuts can really sting. :cry:

Hope all staff are ok, I know they got out, but to where? :hmmm:

[STEED]

The great British Bull Dog had it balls cut off years ago. :nope:

[Tribesman]

Whatever happened to an embassy being sovereign territory of a nation?
Extraterritorial is not the same as soveriegn.

Still is. They just spit in the Brits face and said, "You like that?????"
Britain is in the process of following the lead set several years ago, it just requires BAE to produce some weapons the Iranians want then getting someone to ship it to the revolutionary council as an apology for having the embassy there in the first place.

British diplomats are now only armed with paper
And the drinks cabinet

[Herr-Berbunch]

And the drinks cabinet


Chin-chin :()1:

I'll say, I've been to one High Commission party with lots of alcohol, hog-roast and a pool that was supposed to be out of bounds - meh, only for the clothed! :D

I wasn't the only one politely asked to leave, but fortunately was one of the lowest ranking. :yeah:

[joegrundman]

boy, the Iranians really overvalue Britain's importance in the world at large. It's kind of flattering really.

[frau kaleun]

I wasn't the only one politely asked to leave, but fortunately was one of the lowest ranking. :yeah:

Really? What did they rank you on? :O:





http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk9igrFVUR1qj9qhto1_500.gif

I WAS IN THE POOL!!!!

[Jimbuna]

Really this type of behaviour should no longer come as a shock or suprise...in fact it's fast becoming common practice.

Here's the BBC link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15936213


France condemned the attack "very strongly", French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said.

"France expresses its full solidarity with the UK," he said.


I wouldn't be drawing attention to myself over there :o

If in fact they still have an embassy there :hmmm:

[August]

It seems pretty obvious that we're going to have a war with Iran, eventually.

[frau kaleun]

No word yet on how many folks are inside the embassy? I hope everyone is safe.

[TLAM Strike]

Extraterritorial is not the same as soveriegn.
Whatever their status its a violation of the Vienna Convention.

Time to kick the Iranian diplomatic mission out of London. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

I'm wondering if there were any marines attached for protection purposes?...not that they could have done much :hmmm:

[Herr-Berbunch]

London Evening Standard, 12 Oct 2011. (Source (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23997165-britain-backs-us-reprisals-against-iran-over-assassination-plot.do))

The USA and Israel do not have diplomatic missions in the Iranian capital so the British embassy is seen by security experts as a target.

[Oberon]

Why the devil do we still have an embassy there? It's not as if we're actually wanted. Hopefully this incident will give the Foreign Office the kick up the backside it needs to shut down the last remaining diplomatic relations with Iran. Hopefully it will do this without casualties too.

There probably is a war with Iran brewing...but personally I hope we don't get involved with it, we just don't have the resources to do so...the news today is reporting that we've got another twenty years to wait until we get a carrier. Until then I think we should refrain from getting involved in military events around the globe...you can't run a decent military on a shoestring and expect it to perform to the high standards that it has committed itself to. :nope:

[TLAM Strike]

Why the devil do we still have an embassy there?
Because the UK dosn't want to be like the US, they want to get their info on whats happening in Tehran from the SIS and not CNN! :O:

[Tribesman]

I'm wondering if there were any marines attached for protection purposes?...not that they could have done much
Hasn't it been subbed out to Group 4 yet?

[Oberon]

Because the UK dosn't want to be like the US, they want to get their info on whats happening in Tehran from the SIS and not CNN! :O:

:hmmm:

Touché :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Hasn't it been subbed out to Group 4 yet?

LOL....more than likely :DL

[Gerald]

Well if SAS ... take care of this, it becomes another sound in the barrel, they are not directly stationed there, only "some" key people.

[Jimbuna]

I doubt even the SAS would be asked to get involved in what would more than likely be a suicide mission in the middle of Tehran.

[Gerald]

That may be so ... but there are roads that go through Iran's intelligence, if they wish, but since this is a result of previous diplomatic transactions between countries, it serves the United Kingdom to strangle other avenues for Iran.

[geetrue]

Ironically on this same day 68 years ago Tehran was the meeting place for three very important people:

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/November/Tehran-Conference.html

On Nov. 28, 1943, Franklin Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin met in Tehran, Iran, to discuss Allied strategy during World War II as well as post-war matters.

The Tehran Conference, codenamed Eureka, was the first time that “Big Three” Allied leaders (http://www.pbs.org/behindcloseddoors/in-depth/the-conferences.html#Eureka), U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Soviet leader Josef Stalin, met together.

The central issue of the conference was the military strategy of the Allied forces against Nazi Germany.

[Penguin]

This looks terrible similar to 1979 :shifty:
time to pass the ammo in the other Western embassys...

[Gerald]

This looks terrible similar to 1979 :shifty:
time to pass the ammo in the other Western embassys... As many people have, just ammo ... long before this event, part of an ambassador standard equipment for self defense.

[MH]

As many people have, just ammo ... long before this event, part of an ambassador standard equipment for self defense.

I think it was a metaphor for being prepared lol


any way zombie apocalypse come true..

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001573563/34e9cd4f93a8f17a8becc899cc069668_answer_3_xlarge.j peg

[geetrue]

Doesn't this seem a bit odd to you? That this would happen so close to each other that is?

Report: Blast Heard in Iranian City With Nuclear Facility (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45466369?ocid=ansmsnbc11)


The source of the apparent explosion in Isfahan city was unknown. An important facility involved in processing uranium is located near the city.



An important Iranian nuclear facility involved in processing uranium is located near Isfahan city, although Iranian media reports of the incident did not refer to it.
International Atomic Energy Agency spokeswoman Gill Tudor said the U.N. watchdog was aware of the media reports but had no further information.

[Gerald]

I think it was a metaphor for being prepared lol


any way zombie apocalypse come true..

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001573563/34e9cd4f93a8f17a8becc899cc069668_answer_3_xlarge.j peg :salute:

[Commander Mysenses]

It seems pretty obvious that we're going to have a war with Iran, eventually.Well, it's got oil I guess (unlike N Korea)... so there's an incentive.

[Gerald]

Much can be about oil, but far from everything .... there are important strategic positions and other valuable minerals.

[August]

Well, it's got oil I guess (unlike N Korea)... so there's an incentive.

In Iran's case it's not about oil.

[Jimbuna]

In Iran's case it's not about oil.

Agreed...on occasion when one party is anti everything you try to aspire to, you can occasionally be poked in the eye once too often.

Iran needs to drop the stick or suffer/experience the potential consequences of their actions.

Don't let your backside write cheques your mouth cannot cash.

[Gerald]

Iran, will benefit from wider implications of this case and in general more than before .... and this is hardly any benefits on their behalf.

[Jimbuna]

Whatever that means :hmmm:

[Gerald]

It means that this is just the beginning of sanctions and harsh measures against the country as a whole.

[Jimbuna]

Possibly but I believe it will quickly escalate to a higher plain if and when Israel decides she cannot contain the threat.

[geetrue]

Just like in chess

We can't really know what Iran is thinking

All we can do is consider the next few moves :yep:

[jumpy]

Iran can burn flags and effigies and turn pictures of our symbolic head of state upside down for effect, but they fail to realise most of us just laugh at such an obvious demonstration of how backward and infantile a political culture they really are, even with all of those centuries of progress before the islamic revolution.
That they'd have a collective embolism were we to stoop to the same blunt and meaningless symbolic protest shows their failure to understand what we deem important. A fool always views others as he sees himself, believing there to be some line of equality to follow. Sadly not, Iran ...sadly not.

I think it's a measure of the tolerance of the rest of the world that we don't fly off the handle when things like this happen; everyone shakes their head's in a resigned and slightly nonplussed way and says "Iran..." whilst rolling their eyes skyward.

Still, in the premier league of 'most outrageous things to say and do in the world press' I believe Syria is slightly ahead with the simply awesome statement that the Arab League - yes, the Arab League of all organisations - is (and I quote) "A tool of Zionism" :rotfl2: :har:

[Platapus]

Let's just hope the American administration does not escalate this.

This is not the time for prideful reactionary decisions.

News is reporting that the Iranian government has removed the trespassers.

[Skybird]

Let's just hope the American administration does not escalate this.

This is not the time for prideful reactionary decisions.

News is reporting that the Iranian government has removed the trespassers.
The trespassers acted on order by the government. ;) In Iran, nobody would dare to stage events like this against the will and acceptance of the Revolutionary Guards. You can safely assume that today's events found the RG's approval - if they have not even ordered and orchestrated them (which I strongly assume).

[geetrue]

Students cover story is that the Britsh destroyed many trees in a recent remodel of the property.

Embassy says that the water to some thirty trees had indeed been cut off by accident during the landscaping and that they had died.

This is not a joke ... that is a true story

[August]

Because the UK dosn't want to be like the US, they want to get their info on whats happening in Tehran from the SIS and not CNN! :O:

How's that working out for them? Good up until now eh? :DL

[August]

It's obvious that this attack was not only officially sanctioned but orchestrated by the Iranian regime. You can't deal with such people.

War is coming. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

It's obvious that this attack was not only officially sanctioned but orchestrated by the Iranian regime. You can't deal with such people.

War is coming. :yep:

Agreed.....sadly :yep:

[Platapus]

It's obvious that this attack was not only officially sanctioned but orchestrated by the Iranian regime. You can't deal with such people.

War is coming. :yep:

And the evidence that is so clear would be ......?

[August]

And the evidence that is so clear would be ......?

What evidence would satisfy you? That it happened is not enough? How about that it happened in a country where such things do not happen without the regimes blessing and that it happened in a country with a history of brutal and bloody suppression of unsanctioned political events and how that country has done the same thing before to our embassy? Heck, their president, well known for his belligerence even participated in it!

No you look at the total picture and it's obvious, unless they change their ways which they show no sign of doing, war is coming.

[Platapus]

What evidence would satisfy you? .

You are the one making the claim so I am just asking you what your evidence is.

You are the one using the word "obvious". Stuff that is "obvious" should be pretty easy to explain, right?:yep:

[August]

You are the one making the claim so I am just asking you what your evidence is.

You are the one using the word "obvious". Stuff that is "obvious" should be pretty easy to explain, right?:yep:

Apparently pretty easy to ignore as well. :yep:

So again I ask:
That it happened is not enough? How about that it happened in a country where such things do not happen without the regimes blessing and that it happened in a country with a history of brutal and bloody suppression of unsanctioned political events and how that country has done the same thing before to our embassy? Heck, their president, well known for his belligerence even participated in it!

[Skybird]

Let'S settle this unneeded argument by saying that the likelihood for war becomes the bigger
- the more nervous Israel becomes over it's well-founded concerns,
- the more primitive and uncivilised the Iranians behave like seen today (again),
- and the more it becomes evident to the leaders of the war-potent Western nations that Iran's goal is not to negotiate the price for giving up its weapon program, but to win the time it needs to create facts and get the bomb for sure.

Iran will not give up the bomb. Simply this. That never, never, never was its negotiation goal.

That leaves the only question whether Israel and the West will dare to take the risk of letting them, or will hinder them by force. And the implicit question is whether the West has the balls to go all the way, or just wants an alibi operation that will not acchieve the mission objective but allows the West the cheap excuse that one at least has tried "even by force".

A war going for Iran's nuclear throat and rip it out of the rest of the body, gets my acceptance. A war just "buying time" does not get my acceptance. Do war - or don't. Just do not do any half-hearted follies that cause a lot of loud noise and bright lights but only leave you with the same decisions to be made again five years later.

[jumpy]

Too many 'fronts' in the ME already for western military. Not to mention decision by committee is a bad way to do anything like that; the consensus is always warped badly at the end of it - look at france and the decision to depose saddam (they profit from being the largest civil engineering contractor now though - source R4 politics discussion).

Can't say for anyone else, but our military is overstretched and under funded/equipped as it is. Like it or not, it's more than we can support financially or politically or with supply of materiel.

Unless we're going to nuke 'em and blame it on poor iranian nuclear health and safety?

As for iran and the bomb, unlike the mad ideologues of the cold war, the 'god is great' contingent think martyrdom is cool. That makes them the kind of people who perhaps need to be 'removed' so they cannot have the bomb, for the sake of the rest of us who have been there and done that obsessive game of thermonuclear brinkmanship for 50 years already.
Iirc they even rejected russian help/oversight in building civilian nuclear facilities, insisting on doing it all themselves. Either that is a symptom of national pride or a reasonably clear suggestion that their nuclear intentions and not purely benign.

[1480]

Too many 'fronts' in the ME already for western military. Not to mention decision by committee is a bad way to do anything like that; the consensus is always warped badly at the end of it - look at france and the decision to depose saddam (they profit from being the largest civil engineering contractor now though - source R4 politics discussion).

Can't say for anyone else, but our military is overstretched and under funded/equipped as it is. Like it or not, it's more than we can support financially or politically or with supply of materiel.

Unless we're going to nuke 'em and blame it on poor iranian nuclear health and safety?

As for iran and the bomb, unlike the mad ideologues of the cold war, the 'god is great' contingent think martyrdom is cool. That makes them the kind of people who perhaps need to be 'removed' so they cannot have the bomb, for the sake of the rest of us who have been there and done that obsessive game of thermonuclear brinkmanship for 50 years already.
Iirc they even rejected russian help/oversight in building civilian nuclear facilities, insisting on doing it all themselves. Either that is a symptom of national pride or a reasonably clear suggestion that their nuclear intentions and not purely benign.


I wish there was an emoticon for standing ovation!:Kaleun_Applaud:

But here is the next best thing.

[Gerald]

UK Prime Minister David Cameron has warned Iran of "serious consequences" after protesters stormed the British embassy and a UK compound in Tehran.Offices were ransacked and flags burned in the attacks, which followed a demonstration against sanctions imposed on Iran over its nuclear programme. Mr Cameron described the attacks as "outrageous and indefensible".The US and EU also condemned the attacks. Iran's foreign ministry expressed "regret" for the incidents.The demonstrations followed a vote in Iran's parliament to reduce diplomatic ties with Britain in retaliation for imposing further sanctions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15955501

Note: Update record: 30 November 2011 Last updated at 04:46 GMT

[Reece]

It seems pretty obvious that we're going to have a war with Iran, eventually.
The sooner the better imo!:x

[Gerald]

The sooner the better imo!:x Be careful what you wish, no one will serving in a war,in war there are only losers.

[Gerald]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15949285

[Commander Mysenses]

Agreed...on occasion when one party is anti everything you try to aspire to, you can occasionally be poked in the eye once too often... Iran needs to drop the stick or suffer/experience the potential consequences of their actions.
Search/Replace: Iran for N Korea

[Jimbuna]

Too many 'fronts' in the ME already for western military. Not to mention decision by committee is a bad way to do anything like that; the consensus is always warped badly at the end of it - look at france and the decision to depose saddam (they profit from being the largest civil engineering contractor now though - source R4 politics discussion).

Can't say for anyone else, but our military is overstretched and under funded/equipped as it is. Like it or not, it's more than we can support financially or politically or with supply of materiel.

Unless we're going to nuke 'em and blame it on poor iranian nuclear health and safety?

As for iran and the bomb, unlike the mad ideologues of the cold war, the 'god is great' contingent think martyrdom is cool. That makes them the kind of people who perhaps need to be 'removed' so they cannot have the bomb, for the sake of the rest of us who have been there and done that obsessive game of thermonuclear brinkmanship for 50 years already.
Iirc they even rejected russian help/oversight in building civilian nuclear facilities, insisting on doing it all themselves. Either that is a symptom of national pride or a reasonably clear suggestion that their nuclear intentions and not purely benign.

^ :up:

[Jimbuna]

Some embassy staff have left Iran and gone to Dubai "for their own safety" and Norway has closed its embassy.


Britain is withdrawing some diplomats from Iran following the attack on its embassy in the capital, Tehran, on Tuesday, diplomatic sources say.
The Foreign Office said "some staff" were leaving "for their own safety", but gave no further details of the numbers involved.
Norway has said it has closed its embassy, citing security concerns.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15956946

[1480]

Just heard on the radio up my way that the British government has ordered or actually shut down the Iran embassy in England......so much for those pesky college student pranks.:hmmm:

[Skybird]

Germany shuts down in Teheran, too.

[1480]

Germany shuts down in Teheran, too.

Hmmmmmm :hmmm:

Is anyone liking where the wind is blowing now....

[1480]

From William Hague, in regards of Iran:

He said there had been "some degree of regime consent" in the attacks on the embassy and on another UK diplomatic compound in Tehran.

So there you go August :up:

[MH]

In Iran things like that CANT"T happen without agreement from government....
Its not occupy Downing Street movement lol

Well...maybe it is...

[geetrue]

It's obvious that this attack was not only officially sanctioned but orchestrated by the Iranian regime. You can't deal with such people.

War is coming. :yep:


Two years ago the Lord said, "Iran would find out why we call our planes Hornets"

This year the Lord said, "The Russians are up to no good"

If war is coming ... Russia will not be far behind on defending them

My grandson is over there right now in an undisclosed location very close to the problem.

The war drums are beating :cry:

[antikristuseke]

Get help, please.

[geetrue]

It's good to know which side your on when traveling the Persian Gulf :yep:

http://www.aegis.com/images/flags/Iran-map.jpg

[Platapus]

Thinkin about history...

About 20 years ago, congress was under a great deal of pressure to make massive cuts in the military. The peace dividend was what it was touted as. The Military Industrial Complex was worried.

Then came the need to take military action concerning Kuwait and the result is another generation of increased military spending. Wini for the MIC :up:

Fast forward to 2011. Congress is under a great deal of pressure to make massive cuts in the military. The Budget Control Act of 2011 is what it is called.

Now if only we could have some "military necessity" that would preclude the "automatic" cuts dictated by the BCA. Hmmm. AQ is coughing up blood. Lybia is over. Nothing much going on in Egypt. North Korea is still junior varsity.... Pakistan has nukes....

Who can be the bad guy?.... Who don't we like?... Who can we get the public spun up about? We need a military emergency......

I wonder what Nayirah al-***7778;aba***7717; is doing these days? Get Hill & Knowlton on the phone. They probably have Nayirah on speed dial. :yep:

[Skybird]

91: choice of letting Iraq annex Kuwait and become the dominatiung milutary power in the region, or not. Some may say it was a war of wish, others may say it was a war of need. I think it was a bit of both.

02: Afghanistan. Incompetent handling and incompetent longerm strategy (ort lack of). But: an attack was carried out against the US first. War of need.

03: Iraq. War of wish. What should I say more about it?

Iran, future: question of letting Iran become nuclear bomb owner, with the high danger of nuclear prliferation, from that: nuclear terror strikes by groups "IKOran ha dnothing to do with", and a nuclear arms race in a highly instabile region driven by centuries of hate and animosity and irrational hysteria, plus thge Iranian promise to annihilate Israel, and the option to atomically blackmail the West and kick the US out of the Gulf by nuclear threats. If a war is waged about this to deny Iran these options, I consider it to be a war of need.

It is a bit more complex than jkust a catchy slogan, Platapus. And this I admit although I am pretty much aware of the problem with the American industrial military complex that you point at, and have criticised it myself before.

[Rockstar]

This whole mess could have been averted. I was thinking we should have opened a dummy embassy in Tehran just so that the European ones would be spared. An empty building full of mannequins wearing hawaiian shirts and cameras around their necks. With a big sign outside saying 'Great Satan Embassy'.

It would have given them something to lob tomatoes at. :know:

They do have tomatoes right? :hmmm:


.

[Jimbuna]

Just heard on the radio up my way that the British government has ordered or actually shut down the Iran embassy in England......so much for those pesky college student pranks.:hmmm:

Looks like your correct :yep:

UK to expel all Iranian diplomats over embassy attack


The UK is to expel all Iranian diplomats following the storming of its embassy in Tehran, Foreign Secretary William Hague has announced.
He said he had ordered the immediate closure of the Iranian embassy in London.
Tuesday's attack by hundreds of protesters followed Britain's decision to impose further sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme.
The sanctions led to Iran's parliament reducing diplomatic ties with the UK.
Mr Hague said he was demanding the immediate closure of the Iranian embassy in London, with all its staff to leave the UK within 48 hours.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15966628

[Skybird]

Correction: Germany does not closs its embassy, but just calls back the ambassador "for consultations". So do France and the Netherlands as well.

"And even if hope lived only for a day, it nevertheless has lived."

Yeah. Lovely.

I think we should completely cancel all diplomatic relations, and kick all Iranian diplomats out. We owe it to ourselves. Western diplomcy in the past - how man years? Ten? Fifteen? Well, it has talked a lot and has accieved nothing. Nothing. Simply nothing.

Iranian diplomacy however has acchieved the maximum possible score regarding their objectives. Obviously we are not doing well in the diplomacy game.

Maybe we should consider to switch to a game where we are more competent to play.

[Jimbuna]

I had to laugh when I read the part where the Iranians stated they thought the British government were being "hasty" :DL

[Torplexed]

Before you Brits lock up and leave your embassy, strew the floors liberally with some cheap paperback copies of Salman Rushdie's book, The Satanic Verses.

That'll hack the future tenants off. :D

[Jimbuna]

Before you Brits lock up and leave your embassy, strew the floors liberally with some cheap paperback copies of Salman Rushdie's book, The Satanic Verses.

That'll hack the future tenants off. :D

LOL :DL

GOOD RIDDANCE...DON'T HURRY BACK!!

Iran diplomats to leave UK after Tehran embassy attack


Diplomats working at the Iranian embassy in London must leave Britain by Friday afternoon.
They must depart by 14:00 GMT. Their expulsion was ordered by Foreign Secretary William Hague after the British embassy in Tehran was stormed.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15996943

[1480]

Need to look at cutting entitlements. Can cuts be made in defense? I am sure there are. Getting SSI because "I'm too fat to work" just doesn't cut it in my book.

Back on topic, due to its geographical make up, a conventional military action in Iran is a lose/lose situation. Though it would not surprise me of hearing many more large explosions throughout the country in the next few weeks.