Conrad Murray guilty of Michael Jackson manslaughter

[Gerald]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15624869


Note: 8 November 2011 Last updated at 01:29 GMT

[Jimbuna]

Just awaiting the sentencing.

[BossMark]

Just awaiting the sentencing.
Tipping it on sky news that he will be put under house arrest as all the jails are full in California.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Possibly only 4 years - If I knew that was all I may have done it myself. :D

And Involuntary Manslaughter? If it wasn't involuntary it'd be murder, surely? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Possibly only 4 years - If I knew that was all I may have done it myself. :D

And Involuntary Manslaughter? If it wasn't involuntary it'd be murder, surely? :hmmm:

4 years has been my understanding from day 1 of the trial but I thought someone had reported there could be further charges brought now that a guilty verdict had been reached :hmmm:

Possibly my crap hearing last night :doh:

[Gerald]

There will be an appeal and a bail, :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

I would have thought so but that will ultimately depend on the sentence imposed I suspect.

[Gerald]

He still are unlikely to get inside for too long, there are after all ambiguities in the existing evidence.

[August]

My give-a-hoot meter still reads dead zero.

[frau kaleun]

News this morning was that he was not released on bail pending sentencing as the judge denied that request. He was taken directly to jail from the courtroom (did not pass Go, did not collect $200). They are also saying he was put on 24 hour "medical watch" overnight, which sounds like a nice way of saying "suicide watch" but I'm not sure.

[Jimbuna]

My give-a-hoot meter still reads dead zero.

LOL....you and many others I suspect :DL

[Sailor Steve]

Possibly And Involuntary Manslaughter? If it wasn't involuntary it'd be murder, surely? :hmmm:
Not quite. Voluntary Manslaughter happens when the killer meant to do harm, but not to kill, or when he thought killing was justified, but he thought wrongly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_manslaughter

[Herr-Berbunch]

Fair enough. :yep:

Darn you and your judicial system, with your varying degrees of things! :D

[Sailor Steve]

Darn you and your judicial system, with your varying degrees of things! :D
:rotfl2: :rock:


"Your honor, my client said he would beat his victim within an inch of his life. Unfortunately the victim is from Europe, and only speaks metric. Therefore, your honor, the victim brought this upon himself, and my client can hardly be held responsible for a simply misunderstanding due to language."

[Herr-Berbunch]

:rotfl2: :rock:


"Your honor, my client said he would beat his victim within an inch of his life. Unfortunately the victim is from Europe, and only speaks metric. Therefore, your honor, the victim brought this upon himself, and my client can hardly be held responsible for a simply misunderstanding due to language."

:har:

Not all Europe! (Calm down STEED!) Britain invented Yards, Feet, and Inches, along with many other measurements. :know:

If you go back to Tudor times, that story would have been 'within three barlycorns...' :D

[Sailor Steve]

Britain invented Yards, Feet, and Inches, along with many other measurements. :know:
I know, but doesn't Britain consider herself to not be a part of Europe?

[Herr-Berbunch]

I know, but doesn't Britain consider herself to not be a part of Europe?

When it suits, obviously. We want to be able to do our duty-free runs to the continent to pick up cheaply all the high-taxed items like beers and spirits, but we don't really pretend to be best buddies. I don't think the current economic crises has helped, after all why should we be expected, with our pounds and pence, to help bail out a country or two hundreds of miles away that use the euro? And the recent rejection of the idea of a referendum on our future in Europe has left a distaste in all mouths.

Personally, I think we should be in European Markets (like it used to be), but only when the fiscal cavity that is the European Parliament gets it's accounts sorted, oh and due-diligence on all members new and old - kicking out the financial black holes. /Rant :yeah:

Edit: now sat back waiting for either Tribesman or Skybird to pick fault with the above.

[Buddahaid]

He should be forced to share a cell with Lindsey Lohan. He'd kill himself.

[August]

...but only when the fiscal cavity that is the European Parliament gets it's accounts sorted, oh and due-diligence on all members new and old - kicking out the financial black holes. /Rant :yeah:

You mean when the Europeans stop acting like Europeans? :)

[vienna]

Frau Kaleun said:

News this morning was that he was not released on bail pending sentencing as the judge denied that request. He was taken directly to jail from the courtroom (did not pass Go, did not collect $200). They are also saying he was put on 24 hour "medical watch" overnight, which sounds like a nice way of saying "suicide watch" but I'm not sure.



He is not on suicide watch; he was placed in a county jail medical services building due to a lack of space in the regular facilities for holding prisoners who may face danger from the regular jail population. Apparently, quite a few violent felons are Michael Jackson fans. (I always thought his music was criminal.)...

The interesting action is the denial of bail. I heard the live broadcast of the judge giving his reasoning for denying bail. He cited the following criteria:

1. Nature of the crime for which he was convicted

2. Possible danger to the community at large

3. Previous criminal record

4. Possible filght risk


The judge stated the nature of the crime, involuntary manslaughter, was a "homicide crime" (a phrase he repeated quite often) and was therefore very serious -- Bail Denied;

The judge then noted that since this was a "homicide crime", Murray present a possible danger to the public -- Bail Denied;

The judge noted Murray had no known criminal record, however -- Bail Denied;

Finally, the judge cited Murray as a possible flight risk due to his ties to people in other states -- Bail Denied.

If you listened to the way the judge gave his decision, it seemed he was playing to the press, almost as if he was trying very hard to show how tough a judge he is on crime and criminals. I don't know; maybe he's up for a higher bench and this was his campaign speech. The media here in Los Angeles have seriously questioned the validity of the judge's reasoning in light of the bail practices normally followed in the local courts. The repeated characterization of this being a "homicide crime", the stretch to make Murray out to be a danger to the public (I'm certainly glad he won't jump me on the way home and give a lethal dose of Propofol), the disregard for his lack of a criminal record, and ignoring the alternatives available to reduce the risk of flight (e.g., GPS monitoring, etc.) point more to an effort to appease someone or to complete some agenda. Perhaps there was fear of some sort of public outbreak if bail was given. A very large, noisy crowd of Jackson supporters (or, better, fanatics) had assembled outside the courthouse and the authorities may have thought there would be the seeds of another riot like the 1992 Rodney King trial if either the verdict was "not Guilty" or if Murray was granted bail. Los Angeles is a city that has become "riot-shy" since 1992...

The bottom line is Murray has been denied bail for a crime that normally in similar situations would be routinely granted while more violent felony defendants with criminal records and more obvious ties to other countries, much less other states, and who would pose a much, much greater danger to the public are free on bail...

[Jimbuna]

Well put....playing to the press and the weight of public opinion I suspect.

[soopaman2]

Frau Kaleun said:



He is not on suicide watch; he was placed in a county jail medical services building due to a lack of space in the regular facilities for holding prisoners who may face danger from the regular jail population. Apparently, quite a few violent felons are Michael Jackson fans. (I always thought his music was criminal.)...

The interesting action is the denial of bail. I heard the live broadcast of the judge giving his reasoning for denying bail. He cited the following criteria:

1. Nature of the crime for which he was convicted

2. Possible danger to the community at large

3. Previous criminal record

4. Possible filght risk


The judge stated the nature of the crime, involuntary manslaughter, was a "homicide crime" (a phrase he repeated quite often) and was therefore very serious -- Bail Denied;

The judge then noted that since this was a "homicide crime", Murray present a possible danger to the public -- Bail Denied;

The judge noted Murray had no known criminal record, however -- Bail Denied;

Finally, the judge cited Murray as a possible flight risk due to his ties to people in other states -- Bail Denied.

If you listened to the way the judge gave his decision, it seemed he was playing to the press, almost as if he was trying very hard to show how tough a judge he is on crime and criminals. I don't know; maybe he's up for a higher bench and this was his campaign speech. The media here in Los Angeles have seriously questioned the validity of the judge's reasoning in light of the bail practices normally followed in the local courts. The repeated characterization of this being a "homicide crime", the stretch to make Murray out to be a danger to the public (I'm certainly glad he won't jump me on the way home and give a lethal dose of Propofol), the disregard for his lack of a criminal record, and ignoring the alternatives available to reduce the risk of flight (e.g., GPS monitoring, etc.) point more to an effort to appease someone or to complete some agenda. Perhaps there was fear of some sort of public outbreak if bail was given. A very large, noisy crowd of Jackson supporters (or, better, fanatics) had assembled outside the courthouse and the authorities may have thought there would be the seeds of another riot like the 1992 Rodney King trial if either the verdict was "not Guilty" or if Murray was granted bail. Los Angeles is a city that has become "riot-shy" since 1992...

The bottom line is Murray has been denied bail for a crime that normally in similar situations would be routinely granted while more violent felony defendants with criminal records and more obvious ties to other countries, much less other states, and who would pose a much, much greater danger to the public are free on bail...

Huuuuuuuuge thumbs up, great observation!:salute:
High profile cases draw the worst out of people. Fame mongering, self promotion become more important than justice. Which taints a fair system.
Usually it is lawyers. (Joe Tacopena, Johnny Cochran, and Gloria Allred come to mind, heck, you can even blame our current Kardashian famous for nothing bullcrap on Bob Kardashian who defended OJ)

This garbage always seems to happen in California.
I thought Jersey was over the top corrupt.
I am with you, I see someone trying to get onto the state supreme court

[STEED]

Tipping it on sky news that he will be put under house arrest as all the jails are full in California.

You didn't need a crystal ball to see what was coming... :shifty:

As for Sky News they can get stuffed with their wall to wall coverage. Just shows how sad they are.

[Jimbuna]

You didn't need a crystal ball to see what was coming... :shifty:

As for Sky News they can get stuffed with their wall to wall coverage. Just shows how sad they are.

I was of the mind Sky News was starting to catch up with the BBC News then along comes a story such as this and I realise I was mistaken :DL

[Gerald]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15675235


Note: Update,record 10 November 2011 Last updated at 16:02 GMT

[Jimbuna]

Whatever

[Gerald]

:sunny:

[Jimbuna]

:salute: