Why I don't trust facebook

[nikimcbee]

I dumped my account ~a year ago. I don't miss it.

http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/28/8527819-facebook-says-600000-account-logins-compromised-every-day

[Skybird]

A year ago? Ha, I even never logged one!

Nor Twitter. Nor Google+. Nor Youtube, and all the other gimmicks of carelessness they have invented to make you agree becoming a product yourself that they could sell.

Just Paypal I fell for, for some time, but have corrected that - as I reported back then - earlier this year, during the Assange headlights. It took several mails to get a confirmation from them that they would delete my banking data. Of course I cannot be certain of that they did. It was a very grave mistake to have have logged into Paypal. Just to pay some stupid things that other ways were not avaialble. Stupid, but taught me a lesson: data I once revealed about me, never will come back to me and hide in the locked box again. Okay, lesson learned.

And Google Search I only use for uncritical, harmless search terms. Nothing of which somebody in 15 or 20 years could construct a bad surprise for me.

[Torplexed]

Sounds par for the course. Facebook is the original Zombie Invasion.

WARNING, PLEASE READ -Tomorrow, Facebook will change its privacy settings to allow Mark Zuckerberg to come into your house while you sleep and eat your brains with a grapefruit spoon. To stop this from happening go to Account> Home Invasion Settings> Cannibalism> Brains, and uncheck the; "Tasty" box. Please copy and repost! Seriously, when a service like FB is offered for free, you're not the customer, you're the product. Like any other product you can get stolen off the shelf.

[nikimcbee]

A year ago? Ha, I even never logged one!

Nor Twitter. Nor Google+. Nor Youtube, and all the other gimmicks of carelessness.

Just Paypal I fell for, for some time, but have corrected that - as I reported back then - earlier this year, during the Assange headlights.

And Google Search I only use for uncritical, harmless search terms.

I'm prett made at youtube, as they want you to register w/ google:nope::stare:. They wouldn't even let me access my account (meaning upload, like, check messages), so I just updated my "junk email" with them.

[Sailor Steve]

Same old crap. Sorry, but you keep bringing up the same arguments. If not for Facebook I never would have found my daughters (actually they found me) or met my grandchildren. If you let FaceBook dominate you it will. My sister just barely figured out that she might be posting more information than she should. The answer is don't be one of those people. You can complain about people having bad things happen, but if you refuse to be one of those people you can avoid all that. Do that and FaceBook can be a useful tool, one with many possibilities.

You love to post about how much you hate FaceBook. Fine, but it has done me some great services, including keeping in touch with some friends from Subsim on a more personal and private level.

Anything you can say about FB you can also say about Subsim. The only "friends" I have here are people I've either met or worked with. I don't see you posting about the evils of Subsim.

[nikimcbee]

see you posting about the evils of Subsim.

:hmmm:

Let me think about that one.

[Reece]

I was a member of Facebook and deleted my data and closed the account, several months later i get an email from Facebook to say that my account has been reactivated!! WTF!! Closed it again but is it really closed? probably not!:nope:
@ Skybird, I have had an account with PayPal for a few years now, never had any problems whatsoever, easiest way to pay for most online transactions!:yep:

[nikimcbee]

I guess I'm not totally "anti-facefook"; I'm not a "hater" so to speak. Maybe I'm just paranoid about their services.:doh: It's set off my virus software one too many times. Even though I had the "block" on, I was amazed how many times I had to re- turn it on again:shifty:

If I were to sign up again, I'd be really picky about who I friended.

On a side note, I'm glad to hear that you found more of your family. Have you found any other "long/lost people?"

I found people from elementary school, that I hadn't seen since I moved in 82.

[mapuc]

I say the same thing as Sailor Steve.

I have a FB-account, but I do not share everything and those thing I do share, I share only with my friends

If my friends wanna know more about me they can email me and ask.

I know that FB are using cookies on my computer-It's a bad thing to do. However if it can make them happy so be it.

I have rejected every commercial spot that appears on my wall.

But without FB I hadn't met my old schoolmates and old working colleague

Edit
To say it strait: some people are really Stupid!!
"Facebook said this week that hackers using stolen username and password credentials try to break into at least 600,000 accounts every day on the mammoth social networking site."

I know that there are many on FB that clicks on page that contain vira or they give away their account to who it may be. So many on FB are just 110 % stupid.


Markus

[Reece]

So many on FB are just 110 % stupid.

MarkusThat is a large percentage!:03:

[gimpy117]

thats why you need a good password.

[Sledgehammer427]

thats why mine is...

ah waittaminute.:stare:

[Sailor Steve]

I guess I'm not totally "anti-facefook"; I'm not a "hater" so to speak. Maybe I'm just paranoid about their services.:doh: It's set off my virus software one too many times. Even though I had the "block" on, I was amazed how many times I had to re- turn it on again:shifty:
I'm sorry, Jason. I didn't mean to come off as rude or defensive. I seem to be "having a day" with everyone today.

If I were to sign up again, I'd be really picky about who I friended.
A good idea. As with Subsim, All my friends there are either real friends or aquaintances or people I've actually had dealings with online. The guys in my band are "friends". Their wives and girlfriends too, as well as one brother of our main guy, who I've met with a lot. On the other hand his other brother and more distant relatives are not, as I don't really know them. I seem to have a lot of FB "friends" (43 the last I checked), but they are all people I've met or know from Subsim.

On a side note, I'm glad to hear that you found more of your family. Have you found any other "long/lost people?"
Oh yes indeedy. I recently got a request from someone I knew in a church group long ago. This led to a few others, and one of them was a guy I also played in a band with back then. It turns out he's had a 25-year career as a recording engineer and producer, and that led to us now being in his studio for our current project. We've done a lot of catching up, and he and the guys in the band really like each other, and we spent eight hours laying down tracks yesterday, and we can already tell that he's going to do a great job for us.

So yeah, FaceBook's been good to me.

I found people from elementary school, that I hadn't seen since I moved in 82.
That's cool. :sunny:

[papa_smurf]

"only 0.06 percent of 1 billion logins per day are compromised

Thats still 0.06 too many.

[Skybird]

The problem with sites like I mentioned above is that Steve and some others are wrong when assuming they were in control of what they do with their data. The problem is that they not only collect much more data then you peopole usually are aware of and establish prfiles that can commercially be turned into a product they sell to other companies (the more complete this profile, basd on user statistics, is, the better, and things like faces, names, asdresses, tel-numbers are just an additonal bonus). The problem is that they even deceive their users and lie to them about what they can prevent the service to do, and in rerality it is just a fake button or -function and while you think you have forbig this or that, in reality they just carry on. The probvlem further is that the younger ones you do not know a world without these networks are educated to be totally un critical and undistanced to the practices these service maintain in the hidden, and that young people are that way becoming used to not care for privacy and data protection at all.

German federal police and German federal office for data protection are warning against companies like Google and Facebook for their explcit record of data protection violations. In several European countries and I think also Canada and Australia currently court cases are being run against Google for having intentionally breached according law.

These companies claim the right to accumulate an ammount of data about your everyday life habits and customs that surpass everything you accept your natiopnal polcie and intel services to gain about you without a judge formally allowing it. They claim the right to breach valid laws and to lie to their users and to deceive them. They claim the right to turn you into a product withz which they make money with you never being asked, being left in darkn ess as much as possible, and also not being considered for sharing the profit they make with selling you.

It takes a great ammount of intentional naivety and simplification to simply ignore all these ^ implications.

Reece, banking data you place at Paypal first are an obkject of attack for hackers, talking of financial crime. Paypal is attractive for hacker's attempts because it is so lucrative a treasure it has to offer. But the actual reason why I boycott them was their obedient submission during the events around Assange - behaviour like that I really take queer, and I keep a note in my memory on it. Is Paypal comfortable? Yes, no doubt. Is it worth the risk? No. And nobody, after the many data scandals of the past four years alone, please nobody tries to tell me that it is just paranoia, and completely unfounded. You either have lived in a parallel universe or are already suffering from Altzheimer if you think so indeed. I also do not like the way how ebay, the inventor and owner of Paypal, has started to enforce this payment scheme for its business to make additional income from the payment procedure at ebay itself, and I also do not like how they have turned the whole platform there - but yes, Ebay that is a completely differfent story, just wanted to mention it.

[AVGWarhawk]

FB can only be a problem for you if you let it. I have connected with old friends when growing up and all my college buds. Use it as it was intended. Furthermore, what site is better for stealing PW than FB? Millions use it. It's like a Walmart of PW's. A dime a dozen for those looking to hack. Create strong a PW.

[Betonov]

Just as AVGWarhawk said, it depends how you use it.

Use it correctly, it is a communications tool. You have contacts that you don't loose if someone changes a phone umber or moves far away, free message sending, free data sending, free image server (I use FB to post images on Subsim), hangout on a cold winter evening when you're too tired to actually go out.
Just don't post personal info. No account details, no actuall adresses, photo's of your car with the licence plate visible or worse, photo's of your cars valuable stereo and info where you hide the control plate.

I don't trust facebook and I realise I am the product here, that's why I make myself a product imposible to exploit.

[Herr-Berbunch]

I don't trust facebook and I realise I am the product here, that's why I make myself a product imposible to exploit.

I can't understand a bloody word you put on there!:roll:

As for a secure password, just use asterisks - they'll never think of that, or the word password, or 12345678 like mine for subsim.com :D

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I use Facebook with caution. I'm aware of the risk (including those Sky mentioned) and therefore limit what information I put to there. Because of that I would like to know how Fb knew to recommend my doctor to be my next best friend? :hmmm:

[Armistead]

I know it's the wave and I have an account. I watch it consume many family members and friends lives. My brother and his wife post to each other all day on it like silly kids that think the world cares how much they love each other, plans, etc...Makes no sense to me, when the person lives with you.

That being said I have found countless friends from the past. I always lie about my personal info anyway.

[Betonov]

I can't understand a bloody word you put on there!:roll:

As for a secure password, just use asterisks - they'll never think of that, or the word password, or 12345678 like mine for subsim.com :D

I never feed FB with any info they can exploit. Only useless everyday info and Lady gaga videos :D

[Jimbuna]

Well I've had a FB account for a few year but it won't accept or allow me to change my password so should I be feeling lucky? :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

I always lie about my personal info anyway.
So your name isn't really Armistead???

I'm hurt. :cry:

On a serious note, one of the things I've enjoyed about Facebook is that some of the people I know from Subsim do use their real names there, and I like that.

[Betonov]

On a serious note, one of the things I've enjoyed about Facebook is that some of the people I know from Subsim do use their real names there, and I like that.

Not anymore :D:D

[Sailor Steve]

Not anymore :D:D
Some of the people use their real names all of the time, but all of the people don't use their real names all of the time, or even some of the time.

I think Frank Abagnale Jr said that.

[Betonov]

I'll think on it, something gets lost in translation :hmmm:

Real name is reserved to real life situations :DL
Virtual world requires a virtual name

[Jimbuna]

Mr Concrete :salute:

[antikristuseke]

Thats still 0.06 too many.

If you want absolute security unplug your internet right now. Absolutes are a nice dream at best and dangerous delusions at worst.

[Betonov]

Mr Concrete :salute:

That's Garmin ''Intelektualna kurba'' Beton :03:

[Sailor Steve]

I'll think on it, something gets lost in translation :hmmm:
Sorry about that. I was jokingly paraphrasing Abraham Lincoln: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

Frank Abagnale Jr was the con-man memorialized it the book and movie Catch Me If You Can.

[Ducimus]

A year ago? Ha, I even never logged one!


Same here.

[kiwi_2005]

Google Plus user :yeah: Though I have one but can't seem to stick to them for to long I need a good reason to log into these social sites daily or weekly even. I'll leave my Google+ active and hopefully when my life gets exciting I can start adding to it.:zzz:

[Sailor Steve]

Oh, and I completely forgot - yesterday was my older daughter's 32nd birthday!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/SteveStuff/Newhair.jpg

Thanks, Facebook!

[Jimbuna]

Happy Birthday Steve's daughter :sunny:

http://img574.imageshack.us/img574/1305/party15xn01.gif

[Sailor Steve]

Happy Birthday Steve's daughter :sunny:

http://img574.imageshack.us/img574/1305/party15xn01.gif
Sorry. :oops: Her name's Bethany.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Sorry. :oops: Her name's Bethany.Happy birthday Bethany! :woot:

[Platapus]

The only use I found for FB was when The Frau uses it to keep track of our puppies we adopt out. It is kinda nice to see pictures of them growing up. :yep:

[Reece]

Good to here that Steve, and a Happy Birthday to your daughter Bethany!:up:

[nikimcbee]

Good to here that Steve, and a Happy Birthday to your daughter Bethany!:up:

+2:woot::salute::yeah:

[joea]

+2:woot::salute::yeah:

+3 Happy birthday Bethany from your Dad's subsim chums! :woot:

[TarJak]

Many happy returns Bethany.:woot:

[Herr-Berbunch]

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8683/plusone.jpg

From Herr-B :yeah:

[Lord Justice]

I use face book too. My security settings are set friends only can access. No subsim buddies yet :cry: Lots of ex partners. :03:

[Onkel Neal]

Anything you can say about FB you can also say about Subsim. The only "friends" I have here are people I've either met or worked with. I don't see you posting about the evils of Subsim.


Except for the part where the owner is a billionaire. Alas.... :cry:

[Catfish]

It's not only facebook, Battlefield 3 anyone ?

Electronic Arts uses an online plaform named "Origin", and here is a screenshot of what Origin tried to send from a BF3 user:

http://s1.directupload.net/images/111028/fglehhsj.jpg

F u EA !

[jumpy]

Social networking.... http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/loadingreadyrun/4846-Socially-Awkward
some bad language, but it pretty much sums things up for me :O:

[Task Force]

Meh, i always though this facebook, myspace stuff was stupid. never used either. (or social network BS at all actually).

[nikimcbee]

Meh, i always though this facebook, myspace stuff was stupid. never used either. (or social network BS at all actually).


Yeah, it doesn't go to your subsim post count.:haha:

[BossMark]

Meh, i always though this facebook, myspace stuff was stupid. never used either.
Neither have I, and at this moment in time I don't intend to either

[kranz]

I could give you 99999 reasons why facebook sucks but I won't. I will just give you one example, from my own experience, which made me embark on "the anti-facebook crusade".
Up to a point I did not perceive FB users in a way that I see them now. I just treated them without any bias, the usual way you treat dumb pathetic nerds having nothing better to do than posting their 200 photo collection of "how I combed my hair". You know, these with balls play Mafia (or w/e it's called), and sissies play Farm. I was against all this mess but I did not show that.
Ok, so once I went for a drink with some girl from another group. I knew that she's a FB users, that she used to have an account in a Polish version of FB, and in general, she was fond of similar dumb projects.
After the usual intro-chat about the university we study at, I said smth like: "I don't know" for what she said "Oh, I forgot you don't have Facebook, you are so non-technological...."(i don;t have a cell phone neither but that;s a whole different story). It was like a slap in the face+ "You're a loser"
Ofc things went bad for me...and I was burdened with a new life-time task. Since that traumatic cold February afternoon, I hold a burning torch of an anti-facebook message saying "wake up, freaks".
I treat it as a kinda discrimination and bullying of these ppl who decided to live a peaceful life without saying the world "look, here I am, and here is my ugly face", who decided that they don't need 500 contacts to fap at, who don't need to boast of their new toaster or dildo, who don't find amusing the fact of humiliating others by calling them non-technological only bcoz their de-brained heads can type in facebook.com.
Well, yeah, I drifted a bit from the "why I don't trust FB" topic but I hope that what I've written can compensate for this. That's how I see all this (Jewish)madness (after all Zuckerberg was one of the creators).
I'm waiting for any counterbalancing posts like:
-Yay for Facebook, I found my daughters (actually they found me, bcoz I was too lazy to do anything to find them)
-Yay for Facebook, I found a new BDSM group, I can spread HiV in the rest of laender (a German word, meaning a territorial unit of Germany, bcoz of a Bird which I had in mind while writing this(lol))
-Yay for Facebook, it gives me the impression that real people like me.

Ofc it's a trap. The more arguments you give the stronger my point that FB is a place for ......(no more low blows) becomes.

Disclaimer: this post is to be treated as an ironic one and non-offensive as no real users (lol) were the base for highly fictional characters and events mentioned in my post.

[Sailor Steve]

-Yay for Facebook, I found my daughters (actually they found me, bcoz I was too lazy to do anything to find them)
I appreciate the humor, and I'm not offended at all. That said, there's a lot more to it than "too lazy".

On the other hand, in one of your lines you directly violate the swearing rules of these forums. That needs to be deleted immediately. Not *asterisked* or bleeped, but removed entirely.

[kranz]

Hmm, glad to hear that you found no offense in what I've written.

Actually I put there a sequence of random letters to imitate a swear word, unfortunately the censorship system must have recognized this as a real swearing and added asterisks...I will try to edit it....

[Sailor Steve]

No, I'm talking about the "You're a loser" line. You left one letter out of one word and got around the bot, but that one's just not acceptable.

[Platapus]

Do you know how to tell how many friends a Face Book user has?

Just wait, they will eventually tell you. :D

[Platapus]

she said "Oh, I forgot you don't have Facebook, you are so non-technological...."

I would probably have ended the date right there. Anyone who would judge someone on whether they are or are not a customer... uh I mean product of Face Book is probably not worth hanging around.

Face Book is neither good nor bad. It is a tool. There are other tools that can do the job of Face Book. It can be argued whether Face Book is the best or worst tool for the job. Like any other service, it is not for everyone.

I would imagine that the majority of the people in the US still don't have a Face Book account. I am one of them.

Choosing to use Face Book does not make one a technology-savvy person nor does not choosing to use Face Book make one a technology-Luddite.

To judge someone based on whether they use a specific service on the Internets Tubes is idiotic.

[frau kaleun]

I don't use Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, et. al., for one simple reason: if I really want you to know about the awesome poop I just took, I'll call you up and tell you about it. :O:

[andritsos]

didnt understand the origin pic, apart that there are many files

[Catfish]

didnt understand the origin pic, apart that there are many files

This is what your installed Battlefield 3 game sends via Origin, the Battlefield 3 online platform. On the pic you see private data like tax documents and the like, all from various folders of the harddisk, all loaded up to Origin. They are being sued right now, for violating almost all data security rules here in Germany :down:

[Herr-Berbunch]

This is what your installed Battlefield 3 game sends via Origin, the Battlefield 3 online platform. On the pic you see private data like tax documents and the like, all from various folders of the harddisk, all loaded up to Origin. They are being sued right now, for violating almost all data security rules here in Germany :down:

:yawn:

Just posted this in the BF3 thread after Hunter used that image -

My source http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2011/11/02/ea-denies-origin-spies-on-battlefield-3-pc/1

Originally Posted by A clever bloke called Mitsuhiko on the reddit forums


Yay. Conspiracies. So let's see what Origin really does, shall we?
If you hook process monitor onto Origin you will not see Origin scanning anything, independently of how long you use it. So what triggered the OP's screenshot?
Origin on installation will try to find games installed on your harddrive and automatically register them within Origin. It does that in a couple of different ways:
It reads the windows games registry
It looks for games in Program Files
It looks for games in ProgramData (where, for unknown reason the OP's SMS and tax software are storing the data instead of the user profile where that data should go!)
it reads the xfire config if it finds one for games
If you look at the screenshot closely you will see that it does not actually read any files. Instead it looks for their existence and recursively walks the directory. It does not read any of your files, at least not judging from this screenshot or anything I have found on my machine.
Lastly if you monitor the network traffic that Origin causes you will see that it does not transmit anything of value to EA. So far I have not seen anything bug login credentials being submitted.
But it's always so much more fun to assume that software is inherently evil. You can hook a syscall monitor on any application and you will see that it operates all over the drive. That's not something unique to Origin. Steam will do the same if you click the "add non steam game" button.
//EDIT: something I forgot: I think people should not run any sysinternals tools without a basic understanding of what they do or at least not jump to conclusions..

Edit of my own: Oops, I'd written the post in BF3 thread but hadn't posted it, then I closed that tab that had it in. It's there now though. :doh:

[Catfish]

:88)
Shall i provide the german tests and texts on that matter ?
Origin scans the harddisk for any games and sends the contents to Origin, whether it found something or not. In most examined cases, the game has sent private information of the user, including subdirectories with files and all. This is not what i want any program to do. Under german law this is nothing else but Spyware. What would this be called by US law ?
I even believe that Origin does not INTENTIONALLY plans to USE this data for ANYTHING - just like Facebook never would (lol). That the CIA and private organisations meet with the Facebook founders to discuss methods of scraping information is certainly all unintentional.

Certainly not really - there meanwhile companies being paid to create profiles of users using exactly this scraping technology.

Why does a dog lick his balls ? Because he can.
As we have learned the hard way - what can be done will be done.

[STEED]

Facebook. :har::har::rotfl2::haha::har::rotfl2::haha::haha:

[Dowly]

EA Germany has since updated the EULA to be clearer as to what it does.
(no idea what it actually says, tho)

Think PCgamer said it well:

Even so, it always bears repeating: Actually read the EULA before clicking the
“Why yes, you may harvest my healthy internal organs in the event of a
global pandemic” button. It’s time-consuming, sure, but – much as I wish more
elements of kindergarten carried over into the real world – there aren’t any
takesies-backsies here.

;)

[Rockstar]

EA Germany has since updated the EULA to be clearer as to what it does.
(no idea what it actually says, tho)

Think PCgamer said it well:

Even so, it always bears repeating: Actually read the EULA before clicking the “Why yes, you may harvest my healthy internal organs in the event of a global pandemic” button. It’s time-consuming, sure, but – much as I wish more elements of kindergarten carried over into the real world – there aren’t any takesies-backsies here. ;)

hehehe sort of reminds me of Southpark Season 15 Episode 1 'The HUMANCENTiPAD' a must see! :haha:

"When the creators of South Park take on the ridiculous agreements of the iPAD that Kyle did not read, Kyle finds him in a rather odd situation- He actually gave Apple permission to use him in the development of their next big technological trend, the HUMANCENTiPAD.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e01-humancentipad

[Herr-Berbunch]

Subsimmers in the UK and Ireland will have to go to http://www.southparkstudios.co.uk/clips/sp_vid_382531/ to see it. :yep:

[Herr-Berbunch]

:88)
Shall i provide the german tests and texts on that matter ?
Origin scans the harddisk for any games and sends the contents to Origin, whether it found something or not.

Yes please. :yep: