Days on Patrol

[PappyCain]

I reference this site and pages to get 'general ideas' on the length of a patrol depending on the boat, the orders, etc. etc.

http://www.uboat.net/ops/top_patrols.htm (http://www.uboat.net/ops/top_patrols.htm)

Fuel usually dictates the time to head back to base ... but sometimes I limit the patrol to food rations especially when not burning fuel excessively.

Obviously damage and re-arming makes a decision.

Question to all? What means do you use to limit the patrol time?


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PC:salute:

[Hans Uberman]

Torpedoes and sometimes the shells for the deck gun. I don't return to base until I'm empty or too damaged to risk going further. It's extremely rare that I go below 50-60% remaining fuel, before expending nearly all my ammunition, and returning home. (I save a few torpedoes for the trip back, and use them on the Allies before docking.)

I'm rarely gone long enough to worry about food. Additionally, if I feel the situation actually warrants it, I stop at a deserted island, and have the men collect fruit, do some fishing, and take a few hours rest before we continue on our way. Obviously, I can't do this in the North Atlantic or the Med due to the increased danger. After 1943 though, the extended range of the air patrols mean that I curtail this behavior even more.

So my order of priority for returning to base is Damage, then Ammo, followed by fuel, and then food. I won't even allow them to end the war until I'm done firing my torpedoes at enemy vessels, damn it!

[mookiemookie]

I stay out as long as fuel allows. I don't re-arm, as U-boats would have only received one or two torpedoes at most from a milk cow. I'm stingy with my eels too.

[Kapt Z]

Using a type VIIC I try and set patrol time from 45-50 days at sea tops.

I usually set cruise speed at 9-10kts, which is not ideal, but allows me plenty of patrol time while still making fuel consumption a real factor. I have returned to base, several times, due to low fuel(food) with torpedoes still aboard.

[Randomizer]

I pretty much stick to the 1944-45 time frame where few Type VII patrols lasted more than 50 days. I prepare patrol orders in advance giving the estimated date of return calculated based on 45-days plus/minus (using a coin toss) 1 D10 die roll for variety. I will depart the patrol square in time to make the RTB date regardless of success, fuel status or torpedoes remaining. Since most of the patrol is conducted using the snorkel, seven weeks should be plenty long enough.

[1480]

Reading Blair's books as a guide, 25-40 days. While on patrol, they were ordered all over the place. A lot of weather stations, chasing after reported convoys, attempting to set up wolf packs etc. I just set up WB's mid patrol orders and will see how that turns out since I am on my shake out cruise in AUG 39....

[von Kinderei]

What is WB's mid patrol orders :06:

[Fish In The Water]

What is WB's mid patrol orders :06:

It's a mod for Commander that gives you orders to go to a new map grid during your current patrol. Full details can be found here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160172

Lots of people really enjoy it, so thanks again WB! :salute:

[Jimbuna]

A combination of fuel, eels and ammo...not in any particular order.

[von Kinderei]

Thanks gentlemen ...

Now another stupid question ... which one's do I need besides the Mid-Patrol Radio Orders :06:

[Tessa]

It's possible to have patrols in VII\s last 75-90 days if you use the route that Donitz laid out for crossing from Europe to America. It's agonizingly slow but once Drumbeat begins its the one of the only ways to cross the Atlantic without using a milkcow for fuel for the return in the smaller boats.

[1480]

Thanks gentlemen ...

Now another stupid question ... which one's do I need besides the Mid-Patrol Radio Orders :06:

SH3 commander, Jscones generic mod enabler x2, GWX a must since I believe it only works with it and not the vanilla version of sh3


No such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people. And you are not cut from that cloth.

[von Kinderei]

Danke 1480 ...


I have Sh3 Commander, GWX 3.0 gold installed along with the mod enabler

I have just placed a mod enabler into the Sh3 Commander folder and placed the WB's mid patrol radio order into that particular mod folder


Is ther anything else I need to do or any of the other mods to make for excellent experience ?

[frau kaleun]

SH3 commander, Jscones generic mod enabler x2, GWX a must since I believe it only works with it and not the vanilla version of sh3


Commander and JSGME are both stand-alone programs - they'll work with the stock game plus any and all of the supermods.

If you use Commander with GWX3. though, you do need to install some extra config files.

[1480]

@Frau, mid patrol orders need gwx to work. I may have worded things a bit funny, my bad.

@V K, I had a bit of a problem with the install of the the mods side of JGME. I had to pull the individual folders out of the M P O. It showed up as MODS in the game JGME, rather than the individual areas of operation, like the readme says to activate individually, otherwise it might send a type II to the east coast of the states :haha:.

You know you did it right when you see the titles of the six sub folders in the JGME. Then you just activate the one that you need for that particular mission when you launch SH3 commander. You need to activate it on the Commander JGME before your game JGME will recognize it.

Sorry I did this half-a$$ backwards, but I need a nap.

[VONHARRIS]

For me , it is basic to reach my patrol area.
Since Bdu sent me there , there must be a reason.
Next factor is torpedoes and fuel.
My longest patrol is a 102 days sortie with a IXC at Capetown.

[1480]

For me , it is basic to reach my patrol area.
Since Bdu sent me there , there must be a reason.
Next factor is torpedoes and fuel.
My longest patrol is a 102 days sortie with a IXC at Capetown.


My God, you crew would have smelled worse than the Chicago river during the summer....

[PappyCain]

Ok. Weird. I started a new boat and crew, U-19, Type IIA, and I hit a button and found myself in the galley looking at pots etc. and across a bunk ... now for the life of me I cannot recall how to get to it again???

Heeeelp appreciated. I am into immersion and I am hungry and then need to hit the rack before saving!!!

:salute:

[Fish In The Water]

@Frau, mid patrol orders need gwx to work. I may have worded things a bit funny, my bad.

Actually there is a non-GWX version.

Download GWX verison from subsim at: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1502 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=1502)
Non-GWX version at: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1503 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=1503)
or from my FF page. Quote taken from this post:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1235148&postcount=1

Not trying to be the correction police :DL, just mentioning it in case a non-GWX player happens along this thread.

[1480]

Actually there is a non-GWX version.

Quote taken from this post:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1235148&postcount=1

Not trying to be the correction police :DL, just mentioning it in case a non-GWX player happens along this thread.

None taken, I made the mistake and it should be corrected. :up:

[Schöneboom]

Ok. Weird. I started a new boat and crew, U-19, Type IIA, and I hit a button and found myself in the galley looking at pots etc. and across a bunk ... now for the life of me I cannot recall how to get to it again???

Hi Pappy,

If you have GWX Integrated Orders, that's how to get the bunk with one button -- I think it's under the L.I. (Engineer's) commands, a button with a Kaleun's cap. Then you get choices: the UZO or Binocs, or the bunk view.

Alternatively, from the Zentrale (Control Rm) station, look aft and move the cursor till the word "Heckraum" appears (I'm using the German text), and quickly click on it. It can be hard to get that link to click -- sometimes it's easier when the boat's rocking, so other things move out of the way.

And another way: Shift + F2 gives you the internal free cam, so you can "walk" there from the other stations. Very cool. Just don't roam outside the hull.

Gute Jagd und Schlafen!

[VONHARRIS]

My God, you crew would have smelled worse than the Chicago river during the summer....

Imagine the condition I would be in if I ever manage (in game) to complete this:
http://www.uboat.net/boats/patrols/patrol_4048.html

206 days at sea in a single patrol!
It is in my "to do" list.

[PappyCain]

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Hi Schöneboom ,

Thanks! shift F2 did it for me quickly!

Call me goofy but psychologically I find my immersion style comforting to me. Having spent time aboard vessels the sounds of the engines, the sea, etc. all have a calming effect on me so I take it to the extreme! LOL

Before I shut down, I like to position my crew manually as I do throughout the patrol. And, I like to climb into my bunk so to speak when I close it down - then I climb into my real bunk. LOL

Above is the view when I 'hit the rack' ...

:salute:

PC

[CCIP]

Imagine the condition I would be in if I ever manage (in game) to complete this:
http://www.uboat.net/boats/patrols/patrol_4048.html

206 days at sea in a single patrol!
It is in my "to do" list.

Kentrat's was even longer :D
http://uboat.net/boats/patrols/patrol_4103.html

IXD2s brought me some long ones. I believe my personal record was 190 days (spent in large part in the Indian Ocean).

[1480]

Imagine the condition I would be in if I ever manage (in game) to complete this:
http://www.uboat.net/boats/patrols/patrol_4048.html

206 days at sea in a single patrol!
It is in my "to do" list.

Averaging a bag every 20 days, not so bad on morale.

Kentrat's was even longer :D
http://uboat.net/boats/patrols/patrol_4103.html

IXD2s brought me some long ones. I believe my personal record was 190 days (spent in large part in the Indian Ocean).

Over 100 days average between bags, my Luger would have been strapped to my side at all times ;).

I believe my longest patrol was in the fifties. In 1939, was able to use the gun for quite of few of my boot's bags.

You have a lot more patience than I good sir!

[PappyCain]

I wish we had a 'provisions' add-on mod in SH3 Cmdr. so when we ran low on pickled pigs feet and pickled eggs we would have to head home.
Just a bit more immersion ...

:salute:

"Herr Kaleun, we have rations for only 9 more days"
"No problem Gunter, we will scrape the hull keel and make soup"

"Herr Kaleun, we have 2 days toilet paper in reserve"
"No problem Gunter, pass out spoons, forks and knives"

"Herr Kaleun, both heads have stopped functioning!"
"No problem Gunter, serve "dump-lings"

:rotfl2:

[Sailor Steve]

There is no evidence that any u-boat ever had to head home due to lack of food. I'm not sure if that's because they just didn't mention it, but the fact is they didn't mention it.
http://www.uboat.net/forums/read.php?20,73516,73533
http://www.uboat.net/men/foodstuffs.htm

A ton-and-a-half of potatoes.
A ton-and-a-half-of-veggies.
A quarter-ton of eggs.
A ton of bread.
A quarter-ton of butter.
Three-quarter-ton of milk.
A ton of fruit.

And that's just the perishables, which they say were consumed in the first two weeks.

Two-and-a-half tons of meat.

Note a Type IX carried food for 12 weeks at sea. Not likely to have problems.

[CCIP]

There is no evidence that any u-boat ever had to head home due to lack of food. I'm not sure if that's because they just didn't mention it, but the fact is they didn't mention it.
http://www.uboat.net/forums/read.php?20,73516,73533
http://www.uboat.net/men/foodstuffs.htm

A ton-and-a-half of potatoes.
A ton-and-a-half-of-veggies.
A quarter-ton of eggs.
A ton of bread.
A quarter-ton of butter.
Three-quarter-ton of milk.
A ton of fruit.

And that's just the perishables, which they say were consumed in the first two weeks.

Two-and-a-half tons of meat.

Note a Type IX carried food for 12 weeks at sea. Not likely to have problems.

The figure that I've seen cited most is 90 days. In terms of storage space, Type IX/IXB/IXC boats were actually not much larger than the VIIs, most of their larger size being due to more fuel and weapons, and larger engines. 3-month patrols without resupply wouldn't have been an especially unusual thing, and even the VIIs could be prepared for them.

They were also good at preparing for long patrols. Boats heading for Drumbeat patrols off North America were packed chock full of supplies just in case, precisely so they wouldn't have to return for lack of supplies. They probably could've lasted even longer out there.

IXDs were, on the other hand, substantially larger, so they definitely had the space for these intensely long patrols.

Too bad for the Germans they never got to go on a long patrol on XXIs! Those were the first to feature refrigerators.

[1480]

There is no evidence that any u-boat ever had to head home due to lack of food. I'm not sure if that's because they just didn't mention it, but the fact is they didn't mention it.
http://www.uboat.net/forums/read.php?20,73516,73533
http://www.uboat.net/men/foodstuffs.htm

A ton-and-a-half of potatoes.
A ton-and-a-half-of-veggies.
A quarter-ton of eggs.
A ton of bread.
A quarter-ton of butter.
Three-quarter-ton of milk.
A ton of fruit.

And that's just the perishables, which they say were consumed in the first two weeks.

Two-and-a-half tons of meat.

Note a Type IX carried food for 12 weeks at sea. Not likely to have problems.

Crew compliment's varied.... :hmmm: Not saying just saying....

[CCIP]

Crew compliment's varied.... :hmmm: Not saying just saying....

Varied, but not by that much actually. Crews grew in size over the course of the war due to required specialists for various equipment, but you're still looking at between 43 and 50 for Type VIIs, and slightly larger for Type IXs. German crews were substantially smaller than those on most other nations' submarines. We all know Gerries don't like slack!

[Sailor Steve]

Crew compliment's varied.... :hmmm: Not saying just saying....
Sorry. I was mainly responding to something you didn't say. We've had threads in the past from people wanting mods that let them run low on food, and the fact is that it just didn't seem to happen that way, which is why I posted as I did.

[PappyCain]

haha - what was meant to be a joke has a serious side. In books I have read there were cases of U-Boats sending boarding parties unto local fisherman's boats at gunpoint. There was one case where one U-boat traded food with anothe U-Boat for 2 torpedoes to stay at sea. I am sure a few merchant ships had floating cargo that had foodstuffs ransacked. Not all boats operated close to a milch cow or a friendly port. Of course being German, they had plenty of cured meat and salt fish (ugh). But still, I am sure provisions could not have been plentiful on an extra long patrol that was not preplanned for. So what I am suggesting is for immersion sake we only eat one bag of potato chips while playing - no submarine sandwiches, no whole apple pies. Ration!

:har:

[Sailor Steve]

So what I am suggesting is for immersion sake we only eat one bag of potato chips while playing - no submarine sandwiches, no whole apple pies. Ration!
NEIN! NEIN! I vill never giff up my pizza! :O:

[Jimbuna]

NEIN! NEIN! I vill never giff up my pizza! :O:

Then you'll simply have to 'bear' with us.


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[Sailor Steve]

There's more than one way to skin a...oh, never mind.

[Hans Uberman]

Next career, I take only one and a half weeks of food, as incentive to sink more ships. My crew will only survive if they disable and capture enemy vessels and eat that ship's food.... or crew. Only then will they sink the ship.

Sorry, guess it's close to Halloween and all. :O:

[1480]

Sorry. I was mainly responding to something you didn't say. We've had threads in the past from people wanting mods that let them run low on food, and the fact is that it just didn't seem to happen that way, which is why I posted as I did.

Since it is halloween, I was just insinuating cannibalism. Bad taste huh....:o

[Sailor Steve]

Since it is halloween, I was just insinuating cannibalism. Bad taste huh....:o
Oh, not at all! I guess I missed that altogether. On the other hand, the "bad taste" might not be in bad taste, but it certainly made me spit out my soda...:sunny:

[PappyCain]

U-19, Type IIA (Kaleun Hans Best) has provisioned his boat for AN26. ETA is Oct. 29, 1939.



6 Bags of Wise Potato Chips
2 Large Coca Cola Bottles
4 Cartons of Homeade Brownies
2 Large Skim Milk Jugs
1 Can of Cafe Espresso
2 Seltzer Water Bottles
1 TUMS
1 Box Alka Seltzer
:salute:

[flag4]

U-19, Type IIA (Kaleun Hans Best) has provisioned his boat for AN26. ETA is Oct. 29, 1939.



6 Bags of Wise Potato Chips
2 Large Coca Cola Bottles
4 Cartons of Homeade Brownies
2 Large Skim Milk Jugs
1 Can of Cafe Espresso
2 Seltzer Water Bottles
1 TUMS
1 Box Alka Seltzer
:salute:



...your bowels will explode.

depth charging not enough..?

[Doolar]

100 cases of Samual Adams " Octoberfest Beer " and a bunch of bags Doritos . Oh yea some RED STAG

[1480]

Oh, not at all! I guess I missed that altogether. On the other hand, the "bad taste" might not be in bad taste, but it certainly made me spit out my soda...:sunny:

A little tabasco sauce makes anything edible....:yep:

[Raptor]

This week's menu on U-766:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/Raptoru766/sub%20humor/shipsmenu.jpg

as prepared by our Vorlagenchef.......Karl Heinz von Hasenpfeffer und Gemütlichkeit


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/Raptoru766/SweedishChef.jpg

Bon Appetite !

[1480]

Raptor looks like smutje has been hitting the depth charge ration again :har:

[Tessa]

Kentrat's was even longer :D
http://uboat.net/boats/patrols/patrol_4103.html

IXD2s brought me some long ones. I believe my personal record was 190 days (spent in large part in the Indian Ocean).

If you use a IXD2 to circumnavigate the globe (while you pass through some nice target areas, it's not a very efficient patrol) I did it in around 180 or so days. Boy was everyone glad to get off that boat the moment we docked and shower, and get some real food and beer. :up:

[VONHARRIS]

If you use a IXD2 to circumnavigate the globe (while you pass through some nice target areas, it's not a very efficient patrol) I did it in around 180 or so days. Boy was everyone glad to get off that boat the moment we docked and shower, and get some real food and beer. :up:

:o I wanted to do that but I gave it up.
What was your route?

[PappyCain]

Dud torpedoes were filled blood sausage and offal by the crew ... that allowed them to sail home sooner! True! I would not make that up! :har:


http://www.cookitsimply.com/category-0020-015f.html (http://www.cookitsimply.com/category-0020-015f.html)

S'