View Full Version : Another insulting and outrageous remark from an MSNBC reporter...
Bubblehead1980
10-28-11, 02:36 PM
Not sure who this female "journalist" was on MSNBC(looked familiar, possibly Nora O'Donnell) but while discussing Herman Cain with wacked out Martin Bashir, she said "Conservatives like Herman Cain because he allows them to say look we are not racist, we support a black guy.Herman Cain is also a black man who seems to know his place in their view and they like him for that as well"
This woman really was a storehouse of ignorance.
AVGWarhawk
10-28-11, 03:18 PM
The media throwing out half-truths and sometimes outright wrong information. That's a first! :har:
That's why some call it MSLSD, I don't know what those folks are on, if they did a random act of journalism it would be by acceident, drink the koolaide the waters fine.
soopaman2
10-28-11, 05:23 PM
Then watch Fox..
Always truthful..Always non partisan, right?
:haha::har::har::har::haha:
But I bet you don't see that partisanship, do you? Only when it goes against your previously decided views right?
Don't answer I know I am right.
Yes I am calling you a partisan tool...Playing to the whims of big money...Jump through those hoops,, Rupert Murdoch loves it.
Don't answer I know I am right.
Then why bother posting questions at all? Is your point that MSNBC isn't staffed by a bunch of liberal loonies?
FYI it's a pretty weak defense when all you can do is point at someone else and claim that he's no better than you.
Skybird
10-28-11, 05:30 PM
Not sure who this female "journalist" was on MSNBC(looked familiar, possibly Nora O'Donnell) but while discussing Herman Cain with wacked out Martin Bashir, she said "Conservatives like Herman Cain because he allows them to say look we are not racist, we support a black guy.Herman Cain is also a black man who seems to know his place in their view and they like him for that as well"
This woman really was a storehouse of ignorance.
Hm. :hmmm: And I could swear she simply puts the obvious truth straight and right.
(Judging by your quote. I did not see the TV program you refer to.)
soopaman2
10-28-11, 05:31 PM
Then why bother posting questions at all? Is your point that MSNBC isn't staffed by a bunch of liberal loonies?
FYI it's a pretty weak defense when all you can do is point at someone else and claim that he's no better than you.
Another staunch defender of the status quo. At least you don't flame me. Or maybe you did. Weak? No sorry.
I hate that we have a partisan press. But distrust both just as much...
Not defending anyone Mr. August...Simply pointing out the other side isn't exactly noble either.
Both are scum and part of the problem, happy?
(without them we would spend more time trying to fix problems than to appoint blame, am I wrong?)
CaptainHaplo
10-28-11, 05:50 PM
Yes I am calling you a partisan tool....
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language
The Radio Room forum is not the place for flaming, spewing, or otherwise mouthing off. We do not allow posts where people are called idiots, morons, etc.
Calling someone a tool of any type isn't constructive and violates Radio Room policy. Chill it or expect a mod to step in.
Given that no one brought up Fox but you, there is no excuse to even begin to react as you did. Just because you can't stand the fact that most Tea Partiers are not racist - and that the OWS folks have by far shown more racist (anti-jewish mainly) undertones, does not mean that you have license or justification to attack others.
Yes - a lot of Republicans and Conservatives (there is a difference) like Cain. Is it because he knows his place? Well - if that were true - where is his place? Apparently leading the polls to get the GOP nomination for President.
Isn't it amazing - any person who isn't a "white" person that is conservative and in the public eye is made out to be some kind of traitor to their race. They become an "uncle tom". So who is it that makes a big deal of race again?
Cain is succeeding because he has a message people embrace. Supporters see a successful, smart, self built man with a vision and passion. The left sees a black man they can't control, so they have to find some way to attack him - or belittle him.
mookiemookie
10-28-11, 05:53 PM
Given that no one brought up Fox but you, there is no excuse to even begin to react as you did
Absolutely there is. It's another example of a partisan cable news channel personality doing what they do - saying inflammatory statements just to get a rise out of people and make a name for themselves.
And no, August, it's not to say that one's better than the other or that it makes it alright, but to react to such a common occurrence with as much outrage that dear Bubbles does, comes across as a bit...silly.
You know Cain's got to be thinking, "I just had a book coming out. I just wanted to jack up my speaking fees. I thought I'd do a few debates and be done. This is just funny."
The left sees a black man they can't control, so they have to find some way to attack him - or belittle him. Oh that's real nice. That kind of garbage isn't even worth a response.
soopaman2
10-28-11, 05:57 PM
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language
Calling someone a tool of any type isn't constructive and violates Radio Room policy. Chill it or expect a mod to step in.
Given that no one brought up Fox but you, there is no excuse to even begin to react as you did. Just because you can't stand the fact that most Tea Partiers are not racist - and that the OWS folks have by far shown more racist (anti-jewish mainly) undertones, does not mean that you have license or justification to attack others.
Yes - a lot of Republicans and Conservatives (there is a difference) like Cain. Is it because he knows his place? Well - if that were true - where is his place? Apparently leading the polls to get the GOP nomination for President.
Isn't it amazing - any person who isn't a "white" person that is conservative and in the public eye is made out to be some kind of traitor to their race. They become an "uncle tom". So who is it that makes a big deal of race again?
Cain is succeeding because he has a message people embrace. Supporters see a successful, smart, self built man with a vision and passion. The left sees a black man they can't control, so they have to find some way to attack him - or belittle him.
My apologies for calling someone, noone, everyone a tool.
You don't see this partisanship as destructive? Most enjoy putting themselves at odds with other Americans. I don't.. I think it stinks, and we need to work together to stop our government.
Answer honestly.
PS: I likedHerman, until he attacked the working man with his minimum wage crap.
By the way..You brought up racism..Not me...
Isn't it amazing - any person who isn't a "white" person that is conservative and in the public eye is made out to be some kind of traitor to their race. They become an "uncle tom". So who is it that makes a big deal of race again?
Cain is succeeding because he has a message people embrace. Supporters see a successful, smart, self built man with a vision and passion. The left sees a black man they can't control, so they have to find some way to attack him - or belittle him.
As the liberal members of this board are busy proving right here in this thread.
soopaman2
10-28-11, 06:03 PM
As the liberal members of this board are busy proving right here in this thread.
Please explain.
I talked about Fox news and got a lecture on Cain. And called a racist.
Funny I voted for Obama last time and Bush JR 2 times before...I am neither partisan or rascist..So just stop...OK
I never ever accused anyone of hating Obama because of his color, so stop pulling that card, I am a self hating liberal, and try to see things as they are.
mookiemookie
10-28-11, 06:06 PM
As the liberal members of this board are busy proving right here in this thread.
I've criticized his ideas on his own merits - they're classical Republican economic fallacies, and classic Republican social conservatism. If I'm supposed to not do that out of deference to the color of his skin, well too bad.
I find it kind of funny that you guys are so giddy and quick to pull out the "you're only criticizing him because he's black!" card after having it pulled on you by some on the left over the past 3 years.
Maybe I'm criticizing him because trickle down economics has never worked?
Sailor Steve
10-28-11, 06:13 PM
Another staunch defender of the status quo. At least you don't flame me. Or maybe you did. Weak? No sorry.
Interesting that you are sure people will flame you (that's twice recently you've suggested that) while you use use dismissive language on someone else. You've said several things that truly deserve a reply. So far I've stayed out of it.
soopaman2
10-28-11, 06:24 PM
:DInteresting that you are sure people will flame you (that's twice recently you've suggested that) while you use use dismissive language on someone else. You've said several things that truly deserve a reply. So far I've stayed out of it.
Feel free sir, whack away, I respect your opinion more than most here. I 'll just go away if it pleases you and the others here.j/k (I'm not, dont get your hopes up:O:)
But I will stand up for what I believe in no matter what. Even if it means my banning for ticking off the old guard.
I just expect my views to be unpopular seeing how the demographic of the board is, hence my flaming references.
CaptainHaplo
10-28-11, 06:30 PM
By the way..You brought up racism..Not me...
No - the reporter mentioned in the OP brought up race.
I talked about Fox news and got a lecture on Cain. And called a racist.
I didn't call you a racist. I simply stated that liberals have an issue with a minority that doesn't toe their line. If you wish to put yourself in that group, thats on you.
I never ever accused anyone of hating Obama because of his color, so stop pulling that card.
Perhaps you can explain why it is that when you speak about people who are against Obama - you always have to point out his race when doing so then?
Would you like a couple of examples where you have to prove the point?
Platapus
10-28-11, 06:34 PM
"Conservatives like Herman Cain because he allows them to say look we are not racist, we support a black guy...."
Not that I agree with what she said, but is there evidence that refutes her opinion?
I've criticized his ideas on his own merits - they're classical Republican economic fallacies, and classic Republican social conservatism. If I'm supposed to not do that out of deference to the color of his skin, well too bad.
I find it kind of funny that you guys are so giddy and quick to pull out the "you're only criticizing him because he's black!" card after having it pulled on you by some on the left over the past 3 years.
Maybe I'm criticizing him because trickle down economics has never worked?
Or maybe you are, erm, being "inaccurate".
Cause as far as I can tell until this post your only criticism of Cain in this thread has been:
You know Cain's got to be thinking, "I just had a book coming out. I just wanted to jack up my speaking fees. I thought I'd do a few debates and be done. This is just funny."
So tell me Mookie, where else in this thread have you said any of that stuff you posted above?
Not that I agree with what she said, but is there evidence that refutes her opinion?
Is there evidence that you have stopped beating your wife?
mookiemookie
10-28-11, 06:44 PM
Or maybe you are, erm, being "inaccurate".
Cause as far as I can tell until this post your only criticism of Cain in this thread has been:
So tell me Mookie, where else in this thread have you said any of that stuff you posted above?
Why do I have to rehash my opinion on Herman Cain in this thread? It's easy to find in the other Herman Cain thread.
I didn't call you a racist. I simply stated that liberals have an issue with a minority that doesn't toe their line. If you wish to put yourself in that group, thats on you.
And it's still absolutely as offensive as when you said it the other time. I'm going to excuse myself from this thread as the urge to lay into you for this....."statement" is getting too strong. Suffice to say it's trash, and my opinion of you has dropped a lot because of it.
CaptainHaplo
10-28-11, 06:45 PM
You know Cain's got to be thinking, "I just had a book coming out. I just wanted to jack up my speaking fees. I thought I'd do a few debates and be done. This is just funny."
Why does he "GOT" to be thinking this? All your doing is pigeonholing the man. Who are you to say he isn't serious about his candidacy? Jack up his speaking fees? The man doesn't need to work another day in his life! As I said - somehow or another you have to belittle him or attack him. You just proved my point.
mookiemookie
10-28-11, 06:48 PM
Why does he "GOT" to be thinking this?
Because it's exactly how Obama got elected and I'm sure exactly what he was thinking at the time.
And yes, I'm going to criticize Herman Cain. I don't think he's as great as you obviously do. Deal with it.
Sailor Steve
10-28-11, 06:53 PM
:D
Feel free sir, whack away, I respect your opinion more than most here. I 'll just go away if it pleases you and the others here.j/k (I'm not, dont get your hopes up:O:)
Nor would I want you to. But...
But I will stand up for what I believe in no matter what. Even if it means my banning for ticking off the old guard.
Nobody gets banned for ticking off anybody, including the Moderators and the Site Owner. And especially not for ticking off me, because in spite of post count and reputation, I'm really pretty much nobody as far at authority goes.
I just expect my views to be unpopular seeing how the demographic of the board is, hence my flaming references.
There are hard-core right-wingers here, and hard-core left-wingers. There are members of both sides who are not quite so rough around the edges. And there are some of us who truly are in the middle, taking one side or the other depending solely on the issue under discussion, and not supporting either actual "side". The biggest thing I take exception to is actually flaming. As do the Moderators and Neal. Discussions can and do get heated, and all of us have crossed the line more than once, and most of us are gracious enough to apologize when we do (or at least when we're called on it).
When I said I thought some of your comments deserved a reply, I was referring to the more-than-occasional flaming by yourself - not of other members here, but of people you disagree with in general ("Obammy", "Caucas-African", "Camilla the Ugly"). That kind of childish namd-calling serves no purpose, is not conducive to good debate, and we try to keep these forums above that level. Standing up for what you believe in is fine, even important, but if what you believe in is ridiculing people then you might want to take a look at yourself first.
So if someone does flame you for real, as does sometimes happen, we try to take care of it, no matter what "side" it comes from.
I did appreciate your admission of "self-hating", mainly because I have less respect for myself than I have for pretty much anyone else. I feel this keeps me from being condescending or dismissive, as I can't be an "ist" of any kind if I can't find someone more deserving of my scorn. So it that statement was true, you're in good company (or bad, depending on how you want to take it).
soopaman2
10-28-11, 06:59 PM
I will be honest.
I was with Cain, until he started smashing the working man.
Obama is a no go..(expletive) disaster. I wished I would have gotten drunk instead of voting for him.
Unless Hilary runs I am voting for Robert Plant, with Lady Gaga as his VP.
Thats pretty liberal eh?:D
The GOP as it is now is a joke. Except it isn't funny to me...Too bad Ron Paul is a whacko, I can actually get behind some of his ideals.
If a halfway mediocre Dem challenged Obama he would win by landslide..
The more Perry and Romney beat on each other..The more points Obama goes up.
The more we fight amongst each other over these millionaires, the less attention we pay to them screwing us.
OP sir. Stop watching MSNBC if you know it's going to enrage you. I am a left swinger and don't watch that crap man.:D They don't report news, they report what they think people want to hear. That is both channels as well. (skewed accordingly)
It all comes down to "are you watching the commercials between breaks" that advertisers pay big bucks for?
Happy sailing.:salute:
Edit: Thank you Mr. Steve. I will be more mindful of how I refer to folks in the future. I try to be funny at times, and it is only funny to me.:-?
Why do I have to rehash my opinion on Herman Cain in this thread? It's easy to find in the other Herman Cain thread.
I never said you did Mookie. The title of this thread is about a remark made by a MSNBC reporter. You're the one who decided to go on the defensive just because I commented on the fact liberals stock response when one of their own goes over the line is to just comment on how someone else at some other time also went over the line too.
Why can't MSNBC suck independently of Fox's degree of suckage?
Are criticisms of Obama any less valid because Bush can be criticized too?
And it's still absolutely as offensive as when you said it the other time. I'm going to excuse myself from this thread as the urge to lay into you for this....."statement" is getting too strong. Suffice to say it's trash, and my opinion of you has dropped a lot because of it.
If you really believe this then my opinion of you has not only dropped but dropped through the floor and is currently boring a hole in the basement foundation because Haplo is spot on in his observation.
Liberals often make racist comments when their target is a republican of color just as they turn on the sexism when it comes to Palin or Bachmann and if one calls them on it their only response is to drag up some example of someone else having done it at some point. Sorry but that just won't cut it in my book.
mookiemookie
10-28-11, 07:41 PM
Liberals often...
You're overgeneralizing and making a blanket statement about an entire group of people, saying they make racist remarks. Do you not see the irony here?
Platapus
10-28-11, 07:45 PM
Is there evidence that you have stopped beating your wife?
Actually yes there is. :D
magicstix
10-28-11, 07:58 PM
This surprises you? MSNBC is perhaps the most dishonest organization (I won't even give them the moniker of news) of all time, far worse than Fox News on a bad day. It's like if the Onion took itself seriously and expected everyone else to do the same.
You're overgeneralizing and making a blanket statement about an entire group of people, saying they make racist remarks. Do you not see the irony here?
Excuse me, but did I say "all" liberals? I've seen you make similar generalizations about conservatives too so why is it so ironic?
soopaman2
10-28-11, 08:06 PM
This surprises you? MSNBC is perhaps the most dishonest organization (I won't even give them the moniker of news) of all time, far worse than Fox News on a bad day. It's like if the Onion took itself seriously and expected everyone else to do the same.
I like to compare both to WWE (wrestling)
Except instead of sports entertainment, it is news entertainment.
You have your heels (boooooo!)
Your faces(Yayyyyyy!)
Your works (news skewed to fit the viewers leaning/ persistent stories)
They should just go all the way and let the Undertaker Tombstone Piledrive Chris Matthews and Megyn Kelly on camera.
(you know you would watch)
Edit: I can go for a fight between Olbermann and Bill O'rielly..
Battle of the blowhards, our generations thrilla in manilla.
magicstix
10-28-11, 08:11 PM
I like to compare both to WWE (wrestling)
Except instead of sports entertainment, it is news entertainment.
You have your heels (boooooo!)
Your faces(Yayyyyyy!)
Your works (news skewed to fit the viewers leaning/ persistent stories)
They should just go all the way and let the Undertaker Tombstone Piledrive Chris Matthews and Megyn Kelly on camera.
(you know you would watch)
I just want to see someone backhand Contessa Brewer
Actually yes there is. :D
I trust your word Plat. :salute:
I just take personal exception to the idea that my support of a candidate is some kind of racism. Now if you think that i'm lying about this then yeah there is no evidence that refutes her opinion, at least from this quarter. :DL
CaptainHaplo
10-28-11, 10:44 PM
Basically, the reality is that the left can make fun of, denigrate, bash and try to destroy whomever. They have to - because they can't win in the arena of ideas. So they have to engage in the politics of personal destruction.
They will use race if it benefits them, but woe betide the non-liberal who mentions skin pigmentation, where someone is from, etc. They will use sexism whenever its convenient, but no one else should ever do so. They will use religious persecution but everyone else must be tolerant and accepting.
Look at how the left has gone absolutely ape over trying to find a way to kick the legs out from someone like Cain. They are the one that brings up race. When they were scared of Bachman, they had to bring up her "submission" to her husband. Hillary even endured the PMS jokes when running against Obama.
OWS speakers are interviewed and propound on how all the Jews should be shipped out of the country, and no one says anything. Let a conservative say that a moron like Farrikan should get his own independant nation of islam somewhere way the hell away from the US, and we are intolerant hatemongering racists.
When someone points out the obvious problems with the actions of the liberal media - the only answer (as we have seen here) is to ignore the problem and instead yell how other people/media suck.
And the left can't figure out why their propoganda machines are still losing viewership.....
:D
Feel free sir, whack away, I respect your opinion more than most here. I 'll just go away if it pleases you and the others here.j/k (I'm not, dont get your hopes up:O:)
But I will stand up for what I believe in no matter what. Even if it means my banning for ticking off the old guard.
I just expect my views to be unpopular seeing how the demographic of the board is, hence my flaming references.
Or the irony of a "self hating liberal" playing a war game. :har:
Lets all kiss and make up.
Or the irony of a "self hating liberal" playing a war game.
What's so ironic about that again?
Even if you're a total pacifist, you're wise to study the mechanics of war before you decide to hate it. Checking beliefs is pretty smart. I see some people think that it's too ironic to even consider, though...
mookiemookie
10-28-11, 11:13 PM
Or the irony of a "self hating liberal" playing a war game. :har:
Huh? :06:
nikimcbee
10-28-11, 11:46 PM
Lets all kiss and make up.
Do I hafta buy you dinner?
If you think I'm going to play this game, you got another thing coming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p71Hwt8eHQ
On a side note, I don't know what's crazier:
You paying attention to MSNBC or knowing Yubba watches soaps.:hmmm: If the right would quit repeating what those clowns say, nobody would even know what they say. If I recall, they have horrid ratings.
What's wrong with watchin my stories ???? Man I miss Dark Shadows that use too scare the crap out of me as a kid. The irony of liberals playing war games is, if they have to play as Americans, or on the allied side, or if they only got SH4. And if you guys haven't figured it out it is us against our governments, you have two sides of the same coin and it is up to us as citizens to keep the governments in check. There is liberals and progressives in both parties so if one team faulters they just hand the ball off to the other team and it's up to us to keep them from score-ing, so some of you folk need too figure out out what side of the constitutional fence you're on. Oh and Magan is about to have puppies or something like that I guess that would be on All My Illidgidimate Children. Like Sands through an hour glass so are the days that we sat behind our monitors
I thought liberals watch "bold and beautiful".
No I thought it was All My Comrades, not to be confused with, Comrades or Freinds.
Buddahaid
10-29-11, 03:07 PM
Basically, the reality is that the left(right) can make fun of, denigrate, bash and try to destroy whomever. They have to - because they can't win in the arena of ideas. So they have to engage in the politics of personal destruction.
They will use race if it benefits them, but woe betide the non-liberal(conservative) who mentions skin pigmentation, where someone is from, etc. They will use sexism whenever its convenient, but no one else should ever do so. They will use religious persecution but everyone else must be tolerant and accepting.
Look at how the left(right) has gone absolutely ape over trying to find a way to kick the legs out from someone like Cain. They are the one that brings up race. When they were scared of Bachman, they had to bring up her "submission" to her husband. Hillary even endured the PMS jokes when running against Obama.
OWS speakers are interviewed and propound on how all the Jews should be shipped out of the country, and no one says anything. Let a conservative(liberal) say that a moron like Farrikan should get his own independant nation of islam somewhere way the hell away from the US, and we are intolerant hatemongering racists.
When someone points out the obvious problems with the actions of the liberal(conservative) media - the only answer (as we have seen here) is to ignore the problem and instead yell how other people/media suck.
And the left(right) can't figure out why their propoganda machines are still losing viewership.....
Seems to work both ways pretty well to me. It's who you choose to side with mostly. If I'm asked whether I'm a Republican or Democrat, I answer I'm a voter now to shut them up.
Seems to work both ways pretty well to me. It's who you choose to side with mostly. If I'm asked whether I'm a Republican or Democrat, I answer I'm a voter now to shut them up.
Well the question should be, do you believe in the consitution and what the founding fathers set forth, and that all, and I repeat all, men are created equal under the eyes of our lord. If there is a problem with that, feel free to respond after all it is a free country.
Sea Demon
10-29-11, 04:37 PM
Well the question should be, do you believe in the consitution and what the founding fathers set forth, and that all, and I repeat all, men are created equal under the eyes of our lord. If there is a problem with that, feel free to respond after all it is a free country.
Created equal? Yes. Equal outcomes.....no. Some people work harder than others. Some people make better decisions than others.
True, I made a mistake, god created man, the equal thing I'm a little fuzzy on, but that's where Samuel Colt comes into play, so do tell me, where does any man have the right too rule over, or too enslave another, feel free to respond. And by the way equal out comes by ones decisions does not make, he or she less or more equal than any other, I've made some bone head decisions but that, does not exclude me from, Life, Liberty, and the endless pursuit of Tail and Happyness
Buddahaid
10-29-11, 05:58 PM
Well the question should be, do you believe in the consitution and what the founding fathers set forth, and that all, and I repeat all, men are created equal under the eyes of our lord. If there is a problem with that, feel free to respond after all it is a free country.
How did you quantum leap to that question? If you mean by choosing one party over the other you decide if your for or against the constitution, I find that way too white hat verses black hat. I vote for who or what seems to best follow my interpretation of said document as neither party is very good at following it when inconvenient to their cause de jour.
As for being created equal under the eyes of our lord, that is in the Declaration of Independence.
The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness....
How did you quantum leap to that question? If you mean by choosing one party over the other you decide if your for or against the constitution, I find that way too white hat verses black hat. I vote for who or what seems to best follow my interpretation of said document as neither party is very good at following it when inconvenient to their cause de jour.
As for being created equal under the eyes of our lord, that is in the Declaration of Independence.
The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
IN Subsim.Com, Right here right now, October 29, 2011.
The unanimous Declaration of the 50 united States of America, and a few drunken sub simmers
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness....
Well you took the time to type all of that out ain't it an inspiriting thing to read, but you took the quantum leap right over my last post, I'll ask it again what right does any man have to rule over or enslave another with out one's consent I didn't know a political party mattered. That whenever any form of government becomes, destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or ablolish it, makes pretty good reading doesn't it, remember you posted it.
Buddahaid
10-29-11, 07:10 PM
Well you took the time to type all of that out ain't it an inspiriting thing to read, but you took the quantum leap right over my last post, I'll ask it again what right does any man have to rule over or enslave another with out one's consent I didn't know a political party mattered.
You never explained how my stating I call myself neither Republican, or Democrat, is related to if I believe in the constitution and all men created equal in the eyes of our lord etc. You just repeated your question.
Ok, just call me stupid, I'll make it simple, so I and who ever reads this will know where you stand, and remember you asked for it no pressure, do you or don't you believe in the Constitution of the United States of America, and what it stands for.???? And of course you didn't answer my question, does any man have the right to rule or enslave another.???????also meaning, banks, governments,and other agencies with unfair practices.
I hate too say it your silence is deafening, no man has the right, too rule or enslave another, without ones consent. I don't care what krotch of what tree you think you fell out of, you don't have the right.
CaptainHaplo
10-29-11, 08:59 PM
Silence isnt necessarily deafening. People have lives outside of this forum. Just because you didn't get an answer in an hour means nothing.
You would almost think so, crap it's saturday nite, I should be pursue-ing my unaleinable rights, but I got into this debate, and guess what no one wants to anwser this question, Who has the right, too rule or enslave another without one's concent. Here's another who has the right to take from one and give to another.
Sailor Steve
10-29-11, 09:48 PM
I just got here. Obviously the answer is No One. My question is, when you ask a question like that you seem to be accusing someone of doing that. Who are you accusing, and why? Just because no one answers your question doesn't mean they don't have an answer. It could just be that you ask it for no apparent reason, which implies you have an ulterior motive but are waiting to spring it on someone if they actually reply.
So, if no one answers you can accuse them of being afraid to, but if someone does you can spring some cunning (to you anyway) trap. I'd say this comes under the category of playing games, which removes you from the arena of honest debate.
Buddahaid
10-29-11, 10:11 PM
Ok, just call me stupid, I'll make it simple, so I and who ever reads this will know where you stand, and remember you asked for it no pressure, do you or don't you believe in the Constitution of the United States of America, and what it stands for.???? And of course you didn't answer my question, does any man have the right to rule or enslave another.???????also meaning, banks, governments,and other agencies with unfair practices.
I haven't answered your question because you failed to answer mine first as I indicated once already. You simply repeat your question to me about my belief and don't explain yourself.
Never mind, if you choose to orate on your own be my guest.
I stated I vote for who, or what, best supports my interpretation of the Constitution, and don't say it's not subject to interpretation as it gets interpreted constantly. As for who has a right to limit your freedom, we all do if in the act of exercising your freedom you impinge on others exercising their freedom. This is why we have laws and incarcerate people.
Well at least in some amount you do support the founding papers, to what extent is still to be seen, you say you'll vote for the person or persons that best interperts the Constitution the best, wrong you vote for people to repesent you, not to figure out, how to get around the constitution that is why we are in the mess we are in now, what is it, that you can't understand, seems to be pretty straight forward unless you are a communist, Marxist, or a Facist, it almost took 100 years for the liberals to figure out the 2nd amendment, what part of not to be infringed upon don't you understand, what part of freedom and liberty don't you understand.
Buddahaid
10-29-11, 11:12 PM
I stand for the Constitution enough to ask you what right you have to stand in judgement of what I believe in. The funny part is you have me pegged as on the far left.
What I want you to explain to me is how my describing myself only as a voter relates to if I stand for the Constitution or not, regardless if it is as our forefathers wrote it. That's the quantum leap I referred to.
What's so ironic about that again?
Even if you're a total pacifist, you're wise to study the mechanics of war before you decide to hate it. Checking beliefs is pretty smart. I see some people think that it's too ironic to even consider, though...
It's called a ball bust..... not to be taken literally but as encouraging our own selves to lighten up. I went with soopa's self denigrating description and ran with it.
soopaman2
10-30-11, 10:37 AM
It's called a ball bust..... not to be taken literally but as encouraging our own selves to lighten up. I went with soopa's self denigrating description and ran with it.
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You should see my steam window... All war games in some sort or another. WH40K, Mount and blade, modern warfares, Total wars, Paradox games. etc
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You should see my steam window... All war games in some sort or another. WH40K, Mount and blade, modern warfares, Total wars, Paradox games. etc
Mine also. Love the total war series and play 40K, but I play WHFF on table top, keeps me out of the taverns, and forces me to keep a steady hand.
Sailor Steve
10-30-11, 12:59 PM
Well at least in some amount you do support the founding papers...
The founders themselves disagreed about what sections of the Constitution meant, and fought over it. The sooner you learn that your own opinion of the Constitution is just an interpretation, the better prepared you'll be for the real world.
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