View Full Version : Obama gets more and more dangerous..
Bubblehead1980
10-28-11, 02:32 PM
So now under the guise of "We Can't Wait", Obama is "bypassing" Congress by using "Executive Actions" to implement his "plans". Yet another example of his disdain for the constitution.Dangerous times my friends...
To the left wingers....yes I know other Presidents used the same for some things and it was not right then either.Seems that obama intends to pass his wasteful and ridiculous "jobs" bill by abusing his executive powers, can't recall any president in recent memory who has tried to bypass the constitutional role of congress in order to get what he wants.I could be wrong as I don't have time to check at the moment so if I am, well it was wrong then also as I said in the begining.
I used to be a left winger but now im a NON-winger, What has he forced through now? Linky please...
soopaman2
10-28-11, 02:47 PM
You must mean the inadequate jobs bill the Repugs have been holding off and threatening to fillibuster.
It may not be a good bill, but it is way more than the repugs have tried...
They ran on jobs, won then decided deficit cutting is better. So When Obammy tries to work on jobs they screw their constituents just to make the president into Jimmy Carter.
I am not an Obama fan, but at least he is trying...
What has your right wing owned house done..Besides fillibuster in order to make Obama a one term president?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-mcconnell-making-obama-a-one-term-president-is-my-single-most-important-political-goal/
So why is Mitch repeatedly elected?
People are knee jerk morons...Thats why
AVGWarhawk
10-28-11, 03:14 PM
I used to be a left winger but now im a NON-winger
I'm in the south 40 wing.
You must mean the inadequate jobs bill the Repugs have been holding off and threatening to fillibuster.
The new bill raises taxes. Does not cut enough government spending. Repubs said they do not want to raise taxes. They are standing to that statement.
It may not be a good bill, but it is way more than the repugs have tried...
Not true, repubs made a bill. No one showed up to read it apparently.
I am not an Obama fan, but at least he is trying...
So is everyone else. However, it would seem both parties have no respect for the man.
What has your right wing owned house done..Besides fillibuster in order to make Obama a one term president?
The same crap his own left wing buddies did the first two years.
So why is Mitch repeatedly elected?
Same reason Reid and Pelosi are re-elected
People are knee jerk morons...Thats why
People have selective memory.
I would like too know what kind of society these nutters in DC think is going to rise from the ruins of this great country, I shutter at the thought, that they have to destroy something to make it beautiful in their eyes, it's sorta like dying then maybe you go to heaven too them that's a bet I'm not willing to take yet, if you think what you see the ows doing is something, wait till those welfare checks run out, peoples retirements dissappear, food stamps are worthless and the unemployment checks quit come-ing, 40 plus million hungry people going out of their minds, 15 million illegal aleins thinking they want a piece of the pie, and god only knows what is going on south of the border, do the elites think they are going to be immune to the madness, well if they are dumb enough to leave a light on at night they will be found out, funny how light attracts things. I'm to old for this crap .
Why are you all surprised about Obama issuing executive orders? Almost all the Presidents in the last 100 or so years have done so. Reagan was a big proponent of executive orders and let's not forget the mini-storm of executive orders Bush II promulgated in the final year of his term and for the benefit of fat cat interests. Like the Who song says, "Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss..."...
soopaman2
10-28-11, 05:47 PM
I'm in the south 40 wing.
The new bill raises taxes. Does not cut enough government spending. Repubs said they do not want to raise taxes. They are standing to that statement.
Not true, repubs made a bill. No one showed up to read it apparently.
So is everyone else. However, it would seem both parties have no respect for the man.
The same crap his own left wing buddies did the first two years.
Same reason Reid and Pelosi are re-elected
People have selective memory.
I really like you alot Mr. Warhawk, your one of the few who sees this as it is.
Obammy had 2 years, but was cursed by DINOs crossing partisan lines to "stick it to the rookie"
But once Boner took over.... No blaming dems then...
The man refuses to compromise..Thats good? Thats really good to you, a hardliner?
We got downgraded because of his shenanigans. Not like it matters... Moodys, Fitch, etc don't have an army or 300 million citizens.
Anything to make the Caucas-african a one term wonder right?
From what I have read:
US President: can make executive orders, fast but weak.
US Congress: makes laws, is slower, but more powerful than El Presidente; can tolerate executive orders by the President by doing nothing but can kill it by responding with making laws.
US Supreme Court: even slower, but can pull out the nuke. Can nuke executive orders and defines the legal frames for making laws by the Congress on the base of the US Constitutional law, so no reintroducing black slavery in the US e.g.
It that it the hierarchy in the US then I think, you can't say El Presidente is "bypassing" the Congress, you could better say, the Congess is "weak" or "slow" or something like that if that is what you feel like it is.
Can you sue the US President for violating your constitutional rights by making executive orders that affect your status as a US citizen or your status as a member of the US Congress?
CaptainHaplo
10-28-11, 06:21 PM
It may not be a good bill, but it is way more than the repugs have tried...
What has your right wing owned house done..Besides fillibuster in order to make Obama a one term president?
You know - when your informed you tend to debate rather well. Unfortunately, you are either uninformed - or choosing to ignore facts.
What has the House done? Passed the following which all relate to the economic conditions of this country - and which the Democraticly controlled Senate refuse to take up.
H.R. 872, the Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act
• Introduced by Rep. Bob Gibbs (OH) on March 2, 2011
• Passed the House by a vote of 292-130 on March 31, 2011
• Senate has taken no action to date
H.R. 910, the Energy Tax Prevention Act
• Introduced by Rep. Fred Upton (MI) on March 3, 2011
• Passed the House by a vote of 255-172 on April 7, 2011
• Senate has taken no action to date
H.R. 37, a Resolution of disapproval regarding the FCC's regulation of the Internet and broadband industry practices
• Introduced by Rep. Greg Walden (OR) on February 16, 2011
• Passed the House by a vote of 240 to 179 on April 8, 2011
• Senate has taken no action to date
H.R. 72, a Resolution to direct committees to inventory and review existing, pending, and proposed regulations and order from agencies of the federal government, particularly with respect to their effect on jobs and economic growth
• Introduced by Rep. Pete Sessions (TX) on February 8, 2011
• Passed the House by a vote of 391 to 28 on February 11, 2011
• The Senate has not directed their committees to take such action
H.R. 1230, Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act
• Introduced by Rep. Doc Hastings (WA) on March 29, 2011
• Passed the House by a vote of 266-149 on May 5, 2011
• Senate has taken no action to date
H.R. 1229, Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act
• Introduced by Rep. Doc Hastings (WA) on March 29, 2011
• Passed the House by a vote of 263-163 on May 11, 2011
• Senate has taken no action to date
H.R. 1231, Reversing President Obama's Offshore Moratorium Act
• Introduced by Rep. Doc Hastings (WA) on March 29, 2011
• Passed the House by a vote of 243-179 on May 12, 2011
• Senate has taken no action to date
H.Con.Res. 34, a Resolution establishing the budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2012 and setting forth appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2013 through 2021
• Introduced by Rep. Paul Ryan (WI) on April 11, 2011
• Passed the House by a vote of 235-193 on April 15, 2011
• Senate has not yet considered a budget of their own
HR2021 The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act
HR2018 Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011
HR1315 Consumer Financial Protection and Soundness Act
HR1938 North American-made Energy Security Act
HR2587 Protecting Jobs from Government Interference Act
HR2401 Transparency in Regulatory Analysis of Impacts on the Nation
HR2681 Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act
HR2250 EPA Regulatory Relief Act
HR2273 Coal Residuals Reuse and Management Act
HR2433 Veterans Opportunity to Work Act
HR674 To Amend the Internal Revenue Code to Repeal the imposition of 3 percent witholding on certain paymentsmade to vendors by government entities.
The Senate won't touch these. The House has done a heck of a lot more than the Administration or Harry Reid to fix this economic mess. Funny - you don't hear that in media. But the data is there. Go look it up.
Don't go to a partisan website - left or right. Go to the government website and search these - find the actual data - not how it is spun - and then tell me who is doing what - and who isnt.
CaptainHaplo
10-31-11, 09:34 AM
OH EM GEE!
Did the truth actually silence political talking points for once?
soopaman2
10-31-11, 11:00 AM
OH EM GEE!
Did the truth actually silence political talking points for once?
(lol I was away for the weekend)
How condescending. I bet your real proud of yourself when you typed that, do I enrage you that much sir?
Good for them, but it isn't helping anyone out here in the real world. Seems like alot of corporate welfare acts me.
I still want to know where the "jobs' are that they ran on.
I hate both sides ok. (sheesh how many times do I have to say that, and how many more times have I bashed Obama than defended him?)
So whats your view on Mitch McConnel and open obstructionism? That is good?
You took one sentence then nitpicked it, then when I didn't respond you tried to talk down to me..
Right wing/ left wing rigidity is the problem. Not Obama
Look past partisan crap. I can. I am most likely voting republican.
(I apologize if my previous post was rhetorical, it was. I am trying to move beyond that, and be honest with myself and the needs of the country.)
From what I have read:
US President: can make executive orders, fast but weak.
US Congress: makes laws, is slower, but more powerful than El Presidente; can tolerate executive orders by the President by doing nothing but can kill it by responding with making laws.
US Supreme Court: even slower, but can pull out the nuke. Can nuke executive orders and defines the legal frames for making laws by the Congress on the base of the US Constitutional law, so no reintroducing black slavery in the US e.g.
It that it the hierarchy in the US then I think, you can't say El Presidente is "bypassing" the Congress, you could better say, the Congess is "weak" or "slow" or something like that if that is what you feel like it is.
Can you sue the US President for violating your constitutional rights by making executive orders that affect your status as a US citizen or your status as a member of the US Congress?
Trying to answer your last question: NIXON v. FITZGERALD =
Yes (The President has absolute immunity). The Court held that the President "is entitled to absolute immunity from damages liability predicated on his official acts." This sweeping immunity, argued Justice Powell, was a function of the "President's unique office, rooted in the constitutional tradition of separation of powers and supported by our history."
parenthesis added by me because of the context
BUT: CLINTON v. JONES =
No. In a unanimous opinion, the Court held that the Constitution does not grant a sitting President immunity from civil litigation except under highly unusual circumstances. After noting the great respect and dignity owed to the Executive office, the Court held that neither separation of powers nor the need for confidentiality of high-level information can justify an unqualified Presidential immunity from judicial process. While the independence of our government's branches must be protected under the doctrine of separation of powers, the Constitution does not prohibit these branches from exercising any control over one another. This, the Court added, is true despite the procedural burdens which Article III jurisdiction may impose on the time, attention, and resources of the Chief Executive.
So the answer is YES and NO. :rotfl2:
An example of an executive order: #9066, the historians #1 president FDR (besides Lincoln), lead to Japanese Americans to be locked up in interment camps during the war.
As you stated before, Congress can block it by passing legislation OR the even easier way: to not fund it at all.
Though I take issue with your opinion about the president being the one who is innocent in all of this: he did in fact bypass the legislative process that was set forth by the constitution by issuing the executive order in the first place.
Dog crap is still dog crap, whether served on a paper plate or fine china.
(lol I was away for the weekend)
How condescending. I bet your real proud of yourself when you typed that, do I enrage you that much sir?
Good for them, but it isn't helping anyone out here in the real world. Seems like alot of corporate welfare acts me.
I still want to know where the "jobs' are that they ran on.
I hate both sides ok. (sheesh how many times do I have to say that, and how many more times have I bashed Obama than defended him?)
So whats your view on Mitch McConnel and open obstructionism? That is good?
You took one sentence then nitpicked it, then when I didn't respond you tried to talk down to me..
Right wing/ left wing rigidity is the problem. Not Obama
Look past partisan crap. I can. I am most likely voting republican.
(I apologize if my previous post was rhetorical, it was. I am trying to move beyond that, and be honest with myself and the needs of the country.)
Most conservatives loath McConnel, so yes, I do too. Come up with a better one. :yeah:
mookiemookie
10-31-11, 12:08 PM
yes I know other Presidents used the same for some things and it was not right then either.
Oh, ok.
can't recall any president in recent memory who has tried to bypass the constitutional role of congress in order to get what he wants.
But you just said....the other....but...
:doh:
nikimcbee
10-31-11, 12:14 PM
We could have avoided all of this if the press asked the bamster some tough questions in the primaries, he would have been exposed for the marxist noob that he is, and he'd be back in Chicago, organizun' riff-raff. Although, on a side note HRC would have been no different.:doh:
I think the problem with the left is that they are crippled by PCness. They make decisions based on feelings/ emotions.
It's more importnant to have a president who is [insert minority here], than actual skills.
Kinda miss Bubba now.
Sailor Steve
10-31-11, 12:19 PM
It's more importnant to have a president who is [insert minority here], than actual skills.
I have a friend "of color" who explained to me that it was good to finally have "Our President", but now that that's out of the way he can't wait to get a good one, no matter what he (or she) looks like.
I have a friend "of color" who explained to me that it was good to finally have "Our President", but now that that's out of the way he can't wait to get a good one, no matter what he (or she) looks like.
You could add a generous portion of white guilt.....though some still hold on to "hope & change."
Ducimus
10-31-11, 03:02 PM
Random, rambling thoughts reading this thread which I ordiniarly would not respond to:
- Oh joy.. more parroting of extreme right wing radio fear mongering.
- Some people really heap all the countries ills and demonize Obama so much, they genuinly believe he's the antichrist or something. It's amazing what people will talk themselves into believing. If Obama was a white guy, most of this malarky wouldn't be happening. Racism is deep seeded in our country. People like to pretend it isn't, but it really is.
- Last sitting president, a Republican said, "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a goddamned piece of paper! ". Just saying.....
- I honestly don't believe this, or any US president would deliberatly act against the interests of the country. Each one does what they feel is right for the well being of the United Sates, regardless if we agree with how they go about it or not.
- Congress can't pass squat as far as the current situation goes. They're all worried about relection, party politics, and special interests. By the time they passed anything, the country would have crumbled into dust all around them. Id rather not wait that long. If the president can, in the best interests of the country, get around that deadlock, good so much the better. Because at least then someone is doing something, anything!. My understanding of the current times leads me to beleive doing something/anything is far more bennficial then doing nothing at all.
- After all the signing statements Bush did, Executive action at this point, gets a "meh" outta me given congressional deadlock.
nikimcbee
10-31-11, 03:09 PM
- Some people really heap all the countries ills and demonize Obama so much, they genuinly believe he's the antichrist or something. It's amazing what people will talk themselves into believing. If Obama was a white guy, most of this malarky wouldn't be happening. Racism is deep seeded in our country. People like to pretend it isn't, but it really is.
The Congressional Black congress said, if he weren't black, they'd be storming the whitehouse now.
meh:yawn:
Ducimus
10-31-11, 03:47 PM
Racism exists in many forms. Ive seen it firsthand in the south, and other areas of the country, ive seen plenty of it on the web (and believe me, in my line of work i see ALOT of everything the web has to offer), and though it pains me to admit it, I'm a little racist myself. I realize it, am not proud of it, but I feel how i feel and nothing will change that.
Anyone who has ever said race has nothing to do with Obama as president (either for or against) or any of his decisions is either naive or lying.
- Last sitting president, a Republican said, "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a goddamned piece of paper! ". Just saying.....
- I honestly don't believe this, or any US president would deliberatly act against the interests of the country. Each one does what they feel is right for the well being of the United Sates, regardless if we agree with how they go about it or not.
The Rant from the original source of this alleged statement: Capitolhillblue.com
Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 10, 2005, 06:02
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From factcheck.org:
http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/
The report that Bush "screamed" those words at Republican congressional leaders in November 2005 is unsubstantiated, to put it charitably.
Anyone who has ever said race has nothing to do with Obama as president (either for or against) or any of his decisions is either naive or lying.
So according to your logic, I am a racist? Even though my family is bi-racial in make up....
If you accused me of being a misanthrope, you would be spot on. I hate ignorant people of all, shapes, sizes, colors, religions, sexual orientation, sexual preference, gender confused, etc.
In case people forgot: Obama is just as white as he is black. I base my opinions of the man by the company he keeps. It is very telling.
CaptainHaplo
10-31-11, 08:13 PM
How condescending. I bet your real proud of yourself when you typed that, do I enrage you that much sir?
Not enraged - just informing you. You made a statement that indicated you were either unaware or ignoring the facts. As I said, I think you do better when your knowledgeable.
Good for them, but it isn't helping anyone out here in the real world. Seems like alot of corporate welfare acts me.
It can't help anyone when the Senate won't even consider them. As for corporate welfare acts - who do you think employs people? If you want to bring up taxes on corporations - you do realize that all they do is pass the "tax" cost on to the consumer - you and I - anyway right? So lightening the tax burden lighten's everyones load.
I still want to know where the "jobs' are that they ran on.
People say that Obama hasn't had time to fix things - yet you have some expectation that one half of one third of the government is going to accomplish everything after being in office less than a year. If that is your expectation, you need to make sure you vote for whichever candidate claims to be a fairy with a magic wand - and I am not talking about the Barney Frank kind....
I hate both sides ok. (sheesh how many times do I have to say that, and how many more times have I bashed Obama than defended him?)
There is plenty on both sides to hate - they both are responsible for landing us in this mess. The problem is your hate tends to be selective. Ok, you don't like Obama. Thats one Democrat you don't care for. You don't like "repuglicans" - which is an entire spectrum of people. Seems your hatred is generalized on one hand, and rather selective on the other.
So whats your view on Mitch McConnel and open obstructionism? That is good?
My view on that is that Mitch opened his big mouth before thinking. Had he been smart, he would have said "When it gets to us, we will see what happens". The reality is - Harry Reid can't get the bill passed in the senate anyway - so complaining about Mitch is kind of moot.
Of course - as I pointed out earlier - Harry Reid is being just as obstructionist with the passed House Bills referenced above - but that selective hate of yours (and so many others "self-hating liberals") don't seem to care to discuss that.
The thing to realize here soopa, is that we have been on this stimulus track for a fair while now - and have nothing but more debt to show for it. Make no mistake, the "jobs" bill is not about jobs, its about more stimulus. That has failed. Its time to go a different direction - and the left - from Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and the rest of the "power players' are doing all they can to keep that from happening. Its in THEIR best interest to ignore the proposals of the other side, then claim the other side is "doing nothing".
You took one sentence then nitpicked it, then when I didn't respond you tried to talk down to me..
No, I corrected a couple of mistatements, and advised you to go check your facts before you make claims that you can't back up. That isn't talking down to you. Hate that you feel that way, but knowledge is power, and I'd rather see you informed with truth.
Right wing/ left wing rigidity is the problem. Not Obama
Look past partisan crap. I can. I am most likely voting republican.
(I apologize if my previous post was rhetorical, it was. I am trying to move beyond that, and be honest with myself and the needs of the country.)[/QUOTE]
George Washington advised against the Party system, and he was right. I agree that we need to move beyond it. However, that is a pipe dream unless real ballot access reform happens.
nikimcbee
10-31-11, 08:22 PM
@1480
You're my bamster expert, you both work in Chicago. So it's interesting to hear first hand stuff from your community organizer.
soopaman2
10-31-11, 08:31 PM
Not enraged - just informing you. You made a statement that indicated you were either unaware or ignoring the facts. As I said, I think you do better when your knowledgeable.
It can't help anyone when the Senate won't even consider them. As for corporate welfare acts - who do you think employs people? If you want to bring up taxes on corporations - you do realize that all they do is pass the "tax" cost on to the consumer - you and I - anyway right? So lightening the tax burden lighten's everyones load.
People say that Obama hasn't had time to fix things - yet you have some expectation that one half of one third of the government is going to accomplish everything after being in office less than a year. If that is your expectation, you need to make sure you vote for whichever candidate claims to be a fairy with a magic wand - and I am not talking about the Barney Frank kind....
There is plenty on both sides to hate - they both are responsible for landing us in this mess. The problem is your hate tends to be selective. Ok, you don't like Obama. Thats one Democrat you don't care for. You don't like "repuglicans" - which is an entire spectrum of people. Seems your hatred is generalized on one hand, and rather selective on the other.
My view on that is that Mitch opened his big mouth before thinking. Had he been smart, he would have said "When it gets to us, we will see what happens". The reality is - Harry Reid can't get the bill passed in the senate anyway - so complaining about Mitch is kind of moot.
Of course - as I pointed out earlier - Harry Reid is being just as obstructionist with the passed House Bills referenced above - but that selective hate of yours (and so many others "self-hating liberals") don't seem to care to discuss that.
The thing to realize here soopa, is that we have been on this stimulus track for a fair while now - and have nothing but more debt to show for it. Make no mistake, the "jobs" bill is not about jobs, its about more stimulus. That has failed. Its time to go a different direction - and the left - from Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and the rest of the "power players' are doing all they can to keep that from happening. Its in THEIR best interest to ignore the proposals of the other side, then claim the other side is "doing nothing".
No, I corrected a couple of mistatements, and advised you to go check your facts before you make claims that you can't back up. That isn't talking down to you. Hate that you feel that way, but knowledge is power, and I'd rather see you informed with truth.
Look past partisan crap. I can. I am most likely voting republican.
(I apologize if my previous post was rhetorical, it was. I am trying to move beyond that, and be honest with myself and the needs of the country.)
George Washington advised against the Party system, and he was right. I agree that we need to move beyond it. However, that is a pipe dream unless real ballot access reform happens.[/QUOTE]
I love disagreeing with you CaptainHaplo.:salute: I also love agreeing with reason. After all, I am not dense.:D Well uh, ok maybe I am.
George Washington was the only president who didn't want the job. (someone knew something)
Something is rotten here, it stinks like heck, and we all smell it. It is a moot point to point fingers of blame on who made the foul smell.
I just hope we can get out the bleach and wash this vile rot from our house. I just have zero faith in the current political system.:cry:
@1480
You're my bamster expert, you both work in Chicago. So it's interesting to hear first hand stuff from your community organizer.
Bee afraid Bee. Bee very afraid.
++++Anneberg challenge+++++ Even when you wiki this, it's still stinks to high heaven.
++++William Ayers++++ :down:
++++Tony Rezcko+++++ Been two years now since he was found guilty. Hasn't been sentenced yet :hmmm:
I will get a bit more research done when I can but we can play 1.5 degrees from Obama very shortly and I assure everyone that it will not look copacetic. But hey dare, is dee sheeee cag O whey.
nikimcbee
10-31-11, 11:18 PM
Bee afraid Bee. Bee very afraid.
++++Anneberg challenge+++++ Even when you wiki this, it's still stinks to high heaven.
++++William Ayers++++ :down:
++++Tony Rezcko+++++ Been two years now since he was found guilty. Hasn't been sentenced yet :hmmm:
I will get a bit more research done when I can but we can play 1.5 degrees from Obama very shortly and I assure everyone that it will not look copacetic. But hey dare, is dee sheeee cag O whey.
It's funny, a while go, they had a show about the history of the Chicago mob. The show was made pre-obama, and sure enough they start talking about Tony Rezko. Now who was Rezko's buddy again? Ditka? No. Bozo the Clown? No Rexgrossman? No. Gosh, it's on the tip of my tongue...:hmmm:
As an old timer once told me: kid, follow the money.
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