Question about fuel

[Flatha]

Hello all. I just bought this game a few days ago after watching some Let's Play from Jefmajor. Anyway, I decided to dive right in and make it more realistic so I'm playing with limited fuel and manual aiming and all that jazz so it's been a bit rough.

I was out on a recon mission to Japan from Pearl Harbour and I managed to make it all the way there with 65% fuel left. However, after completing the recon and making my way towards Midway, I ran out fuel something like 500nm from the harbour. What is the deal with this! How does this happen? I kept the speed at 2/3rds and would slow down in choppy weather.

I actually saved the game after completing the mission so I tried going to the harbour towards the south (in Indonesia??). This time I made it about 40nm before running completely out of fuel and batteries. HOWEVER, somehow I could keep going at 6knots until I made it and refueld. What is that due to?

[Sailor Steve]

WELCOME ABOARD! :sunny:

It's a good idea to reduce to 1/3 once you are actually in your patrol area.

[Gerald]

:salute:

[Daniel Prates]

If you use TMO megamod, there is an extra button in navigation mode (which does not exist in stock version), that tells you your remaining autonomy within the present consumption rate.

For US subs it is usually around 10 knots, though that may vary according to weather, and some currents or other game features. Sailing from midway to japan always costs less fuel than the other way around, which has given dry headaches to most skippers at some point.

[Rockin Robbins]

Psssst! Nasty secret. Don't tell anyone. Were you damaged at all while on patrol? A really lousy thing that the game does a great job of simulating is holes in your fuel tanks from depth charging and with gunfire from enemy boats.

You can do everything right, and it sounds like you did, and still run out of fuel from the leaks.:wah:

Welcome to the Pacific!

[White Owl]

Also, if your batteries are damaged so they won't hold a full charge, your engines will constantly run at full throttle trying to recharge them, forever. Or until you run out of fuel, whichever comes first. If this is the case, you can manually turn off battery charging.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Welcome abroad.:D:salute:

[I'm goin' down]

there is an extra button in navigation mode (which does not exist in stock version), that tells you your remaining autonomy within the present consumption rate. 'your remaining autonomy within the present consumption rate." WTF? My three toy poodles read that and ran off howling in dispair.

How about ..."that displays how many miles it is estimated you can travel at your present rate of speed before the fuel supply is exhausted"?

[I'm goin' down]

Hello all. I just bought this game a few days ago after watching some Let's Play from Jefmajor. Anyway, I decided to dive right in and make it more realistic so I'm playing with limited fuel and manual aiming and all that jazz so it's been a bit rough.

I was out on a recon mission to Japan from Pearl Harbour and I managed to make it all the way there with 65% fuel left. However, after completing the recon and making my way towards Midway, I ran out fuel something like 500nm from the harbour. What is the deal with this! How does this happen? I kept the speed at 2/3rds and would slow down in choppy weather.

I actually saved the game after completing the mission so I tried going to the harbour towards the south (in Indonesia??). This time I made it about 40nm before running completely out of fuel and batteries. HOWEVER, somehow I could keep going at 6knots until I made it and refueld. What is that due to?

I thought that "standard" speed was the best for maximum fuel consumption?

Also, the amount of fuel you are using might be related the game you are running. A supermod that adjusts the boat speed settings, such as TMO, may give you more or less range than stock settings.

As for running out of fuel and batteries, you probably had some battery life left. I have gone several hundred miles on batteries after running out of fuel.

If your boat sustained damage, RRs (aka Double R [I lov that nn]) post presents a feasible scenario.

[Daniel Prates]

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IGD strikes again.

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Man, I don't know if your trying to be funny, but I am not laughing. I would suggest being more respectful towards other forum members, specially when they come from other countries, struggling with their knowledge of your language - which is widely considered to be one of the less-rich (not to say the poorest) in the globe, falling behind all latin-based languages and even behind german.

Here. If you are such a hot-shot, try posting in this forum, and I'll be correcting you there, just to see if you like it.

http://www.gpguia.net/

I'm waiting, funny man.

[Sailor Steve]

I thought that "standard" speed was the best for maximum fuel consumption?
TMO and RFB both work that way, I think. In real life Ahead Standard was for cruising with the fleet (hence 'Fleet Boat'), and the surface fleet cruised at 15 knots. The idea was that the boats would be able to refuel from a tanker carrying diesel fuel. Ahead 2/3 was normal cruising speed, and was 10 knots.

[I'm goin' down]

[/I][/U][/B]'your remaining autonomy within the present consumption rate." WTF? My three toy poodles read that and ran off howling in dispair.

How about ..."that displays how many miles it is estimated you can travel at your present rate of speed before the fuel supply is exhausted"?

There. I changed the post. (Posts on subsim will not be remembered in the history of the world.)

[Daniel Prates]

There. I changed the post. (Posts on subsim will not be remembered in the history of the world.)

Ohhhh! So you wouldn't like people cricticizing your way of expressing yourself if you were posting in a forum which were not in your native idiom, is that it? Ahhhh. It figures.

I am taking this last post of yours as your very lame attempt at an apology.

Still, go check out the forum I posted. Even if you don't get whats written, the picutres may give a clue.

[I'm goin' down]

Ohhhh! So you wouldn't like people cricticizing your way of expressing yourself if you were posting in a forum which were not in your native idiom, is that it? Ahhhh. It figures.

I am taking this last post of yours as your very lame attempt at an apology.

Still, go check out the forum I posted. Even if you don't get whats written, the picutres may give a clue.

If you want to get into it, I am up for it. I reposted, contrary to your assertion, for the simple reasons that you claimed English was not your native language and because you felt insulted, even though I intended my post to be humorous. Also, I did not catch the fact that you were South American, as having read several of your posts over time did not clue me in to that fact. This is an explanation but not an apology. But you can characterize it however you wish.

I am not going to check out the forum which to which you have referred. It is of no interest to me and you do not dictate the course of action.

That's it from my end. However, if you want to carry on, feel free. It is an open forum, so fire away.

[Daniel Prates]

This is an explanation but not an apology.

The difference between each may just be a matter of pride or admitance of one's part.

But cool, enough of it, let's turn the page. The forum I suggested, by the way, was also intended to be humorous - I sure am not part of it.

(edit): Oh and by the way, 'friendo', I am not interested in you trying to be funny at my expenses, on acount of how I formulated a sentence. I think that should be something understandable for any reasonable man. Try posting something useful if you really want to make dialog. Cool?

[I'm goin' down]

TMO and RFB both work that way, I think. In real life Ahead Standard was for cruising with the fleet (hence 'Fleet Boat'), and the surface fleet cruised at 15 knots. The idea was that the boats would be able to refuel from a tanker carrying diesel fuel. Ahead 2/3 was normal cruising speed, and was 10 knots.

I know that this has been discussed before, but why hasn't someone made a mod of a refueling tanker, so we can circumvent the fuel consumption issue?

BTW, I haven't been playing much lately. CapnScurvy's Toyyko's Revenge feature in the OTC mod is impossible to overcome. The dds have an AI that is off the charts, and it is nearly impossible to get a good set up within a few thousand yards when they are around. (Note:full realism, map contacts disabled, and real scopes enabled is the game I attempted.) I do okay when the merchants are not under escort. Forget trying to get into Tokyo Bay. It is out of the question.

[Rockin Robbins]

Refuelling tanker????? http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/argggggg.gif
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Why not just give the boat a nuclear reactor? And 1000' design depth? A tow boat if you run out of fuel? And complete records of every ship on the seven seas with auto identify? And torpedoes that never miss? And able to withstand a direct hit by nine depth charges? How about a guided missile? Or in-flight movies? Perhaps submarines should be able to fly?:o

Look. Wanting all that is realistic. Real sub jockeys would have given their eyeteeth for any of those. But did they ever receive any of that? Even refueling tankers? NO.

[I'm goin' down]

Refuelling tanker????? http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/argggggg.gif
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Why not just give the boat a nuclear reactor? And 1000' design depth? And complete records of every ship on the seven seas with auto identify? And torpedoes that never miss? And able to withstand a direct hit by nine depth charges? How about a guided missile? Or in-flight movies? Perhaps submarines should be able to fly?:o

Too late. My boat is already equipped with those (except for the tow boat.) And a king size bed for the captain's cabin to boot!

[Rockin Robbins]

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This I gotta see! A Balao with a slide out!!!! (now how to you translate THAT into Portuguese?)

I was posting over at Wattflyer the other day and kind of jumped on a guy who posted that American hobby stores tended only to ship nationally while European companies just about all shipped internationally. Then he made a comment that he could tell the American posters because we all recommended an Atlanta hobby shop that only shipped domestically.

So I said that we were normal people and when asked for advice we told the questioner what we knew. We could only talk about things we had done and people we had dealt with. The only alternative was to just make up stories and then be useless to everybody, not just some foreign poster.

I also said that if you have a European country, where countries are small, international shipping is a necessity if you want a decent sized market. In the US, shipping to North America encompasses a much larger area than Europe. Shipping is expensive because of distance, not just nationality.

Turned out that most hadn't picked up on his nationality, which wasn't even in his avatar. He was from Latvia, a place with incredible modelers and even more incredible airplanes that nobody in the US has ever had a chance to see or fly. They're perfectly set up to set the world on fire with new products and make US worry about shipping cross-pond.

After I said that we ended up friends. But it's really easy to forget that on an Internet forum we aren't just talking with Bubba from across the street. Some of 'em are even Australians still mad about some American sub jockey stealing their girl from Brisbane in '43. Some of 'em, like Daniel, write English so well that you don't realize that they aren't American until a certain rare turn of phrase has to be rendered and it doesn't quite make it.

If you analyze it, "your remaining autonomy within the present consumption rate" makes perfect sense. Autonomy is the ability to operate in a self-contained manner, with freedom of range and operation. Autonomy is possible because of consumption of a resource, whether money, food, water, or in this case fuel. The quantity of fuel, coupled with your consumption rate governs the remaining time and distance during which you may remain autonomous.

It could be worse. We could be using Google Translate to communicate. With each successive translation the languages would be mangled worse!:D

[I'm goin' down]

My three French poodles are celebrating. They just heard the news and keeping yapping, "Viva Libya!"

[Rockin Robbins]

I withhold judgment on the Libya situation.

[Sailor Steve]

I know that this has been discussed before, but why hasn't someone made a mod of a refueling tanker, so we can circumvent the fuel consumption issue?
Because refueling tankers travel with the fleet. Out on its own it's nothing but a fat slow target. That's why they didn't do it in real life.

Forget trying to get into Tokyo Bay. It is out of the question.
Guess what? Destination Tokyo was only a movie. They never did it (or even tried it) in real life either.

[Arlo]

Toy poodles? Geez. :|\\

[Arlo]

Guess what? Destination Tokyo was only a movie.

But ... but ....

http://www.mackinnon.org/wahoo-MortonHarrietCaryGrant-DestinationTokyo.jpg

[I'm goin' down]

Toy poodles? Geez. :|\\

That is what I thought when we got the first one. There are two great advantages to toy poodles. First, they are smart enough to go to Harvard (and have distinct personalities.) Second, when you are down town with them, every woman, whether young or old, will want to stop and visit. I once had a clerk that had to run an errand. He took one of the dogs with him. I told him that he would meet a least one woman if "Scout" accompanied him. He returned an hour later, and said he had met three! A collateral benefit is that they are like having a flock of geese guarding the house. They sound the alarm if anyone gets close, although they have taught the pizza delivery man to give them treats, so they welcome him when he shows up.:D You can't beat that. Finally, on those cold winter nights (called a "three dog night," because you need three dogs on the bed to stay warm), they know what their job is.

[Arlo]

That is what I thought when we got the first one. There are two great advantages to toy poodles. First, they are smart enough to got to Harvard (and have distinct personalities.) Second, when you are downtown with them, every woman, whehter young or old, will want to stop and visit. I once had a clerk that had to do an errand. He took one of the dogs with him. I told him that he would meet a least one woman if "Scout" accompanied him. He returned an hour later, and said he had met three! A collateral benefit is that they are like having a flock of geese guarding the house. They sound the alarm if anyone gets close, although they have taught the pizza delivery man to give them treats, so they welcome it when he shows up.:D You can't beat that. Finally, on those cold winter nights (called a "three dog night," because you need three dogs on the bed to stay warm), they know what their job is.

LOL Touche'. Though the missus may not like the chick magnet element. We're considering a Dachshund - Basset Hound mix after seeing one that was smart and fairly adorable (and short hair is a necessity). That is until we did some research and found out they can turn out one extreme to the other.

Geez ... I'm discussing doggies. :o

Someone say shipboard movies? Cool beans.

(P.S. I thought 'Three Dog Night' was a sled team reference but now that I've looked it up it appears to be of Australian Aborigine origin.)